How man 'lost his penile spines'

Sorry rawda but plausible arguments cannot be substituted for evidence. Just because what you are saying matches some stories in a book so it reaffirms what people want to believe dies not mean it is correct.

For example many of things predicted and seen in quantum mechanics go against perceived logic and common sense but have been confirmed by experiment. Check out probably the most famous example schodeingers cat

thank u reysaj

for understanding that whenever we present some "argument" it has to be backed with pausible as well as logical reasons,

we may not scientists , but we have some reasoning

and we should rely on any news only when it is proved to us whether it be science or religious or non religious

and if the facts are against us then we should have the humility to accept the facts even if it be against ourselves

It's not because of the long articles or phrases she presented to us but with her reasons. That's what a teacher can do to us to impart knowledge so that others will be guided. Thank you very much rawda_k. I appreciate your time and effort explaining to us.

Evolution is our religion and Darwin is our God!

Happy now?

ofcourse

exiled saint i understand ur fruatration

it happens with people who speak things without proper knowledge

anyway u can discontinue the discussion

there is no POINT REALLY because u provide no proof to ur statements

being athesist and believing in evolution are not the same thing. Plenty of christains and muslims believe in evolution too.

I'm not here to defend atheism or evolution and I grow weary of debating with you when there really is nothing to debate.

exiled saint plz dont divert the topic to zenotransplantation

ur topic was molecular homology and that is wat is refuted

if u have read the above statements

I have a 7 inch spine in my boner. I think I did not evolve fully.

can can only laugh at u exiled saint

it is clear u have no answer to my questions

and nobody does,

evolutionists are struggling of course

and a advice , plz reserve ur honorable comments for the religious section

u dont even fit a bit in the scientific world dear!!

even worse than religion

wat a shame u r to the atheists! exiled

u call urself an atheist and speak nothing sensible abt science

ughh!!!

well lets face it!!

Xenotransplantation does present a lot of difficulties and I question it's value.

Your statements on evolution grow tiresome. If you don't understand it that is fine, it will not change the fact that is happened and is still happening

whyteknight im waiting for ur response

hope it will be saner than exiiled saints

and dear read carefully these r not random statements any fool can find out

but u cant because u close ur eyes and read

u know nothing abt science and logic and uselessly post ur sacred comments

wiki pedia dear

yes a world of lies

And the source for all this? It's just a bunch of random statements with no reference to empirical evidence.

P.S I have a life outside this idiots paradise so I'm not always available to post

hello exiled saint where r u?

did u run away with some pointless nigligible words?

another thing is that this entire concept od xenotransplant is based on "Molecular Homology"

Evolutionists' advancement of homology as evidence for evolution is invalid not only at the morphological level, but also at the molecular level. Evolutionists say that the DNA codes, or the corresponding protein structures, of different living species are similar, and that this similarity is evidence that these living species have evolved from common ancestors, or else from each other. For example, it is regularly stated in the evolutionist literature that "there is a great similarity between the DNA of a human and that of an ape," and this similarity is presented as a proof for the evolutionist claim that there is an evolutionary relationship between man and ape.

as exiledsaint is ignorantly claiming too!!!

We must make it clear from the start that it is no surprise that living creatures on the earth should possess very similar DNA structures. Living things' basic life processes are the same, and since human beings possess a living body, they cannot be expected to have a different DNA structure to other creatures. Like other creatures, human beings develop by consuming carbohydrates, lipids, and proteins, oxygen circulates through the blood in their bodies, and energy is produced every second in each of their cells by the use of this oxygen.

wat do u say whyteknight?

For this reason, the fact that living things possess genetic similarities is no proof of the evolutionist claim that they evolved from a common ancestor. If evolutionists want to prove their theory of evolution from a common ancestor, then they have to show that creatures alleged to be each other's common ancestors have a direct line of descent in their molecular structures; in fact, however, as we shall shortly be examining, there have been no concrete discoveries showing any such thing.

as i have proved to u from the very example of pigs

Let us first of all take the matter of "the similarity between human and chimpanzee DNA." The latest studies on this issue have revealed that evolutionist propaganda about a "98 %" or "99 %" similarity between man and chimp is totally erroneous.

If a slightly wider study is made of this subject, it can be seen that the DNA of much more surprising creatures resembles that of man.

One of these similarities is between man and worms of the nematode phylum.

For example, genetic analyses published in New Scientist have revealed that "nearly 75% of human genes have some counterpart in nematodes-millimeter-long soil-dwelling worms."292 This definitely does not mean that there is only a 25% difference between man and these worms! According to the family tree made by evolutionists, the Chordata phylum, in which man is included, and the Nematoda phylum were different to each other even 530 million years ago.

This situation clearly reveals that the similarity between the DNA strands of these two different categories of life is no evidence for the claim that these creatures evolved from a common ancestor.

thanks whyteknight once again for the information

see first of all i do agree that pigs and human share many genetical resemblences

that is why i said allahuakbar, and praise is to Him for his miraculous creation

and abt xenotransplantation

Xenotransplantation (xenos- from the Greek meaning "foreign") is the transplantation of living cells, tissues or organs from one species to another, such as from pigs to humans[1]. Such cells, tissues or organs are called xenografts or xenotransplants.

although it is developing and is being studied in order to make it successfull let us look at the obstacles it has to face

and good reply especially to exiled saint

Immunologic Barriers

To date no xenotransplantation trials have been entirely successful due to the many obstacles arising from the response of the recipient’s immune system. This response, which is generally more extreme than in allotransplantations, ultimately results in rejection of the xenograft, and can in some cases result in the immediate death of the recipient. There are several types of rejection organ xenografts are faced with, these include:

Hyperacute rejection

Acute vascular rejection

Cellular rejection

Chronic rejection

A rapid, violent hyperacute response results due to preformed natural antibodies, known as XNAs

another thing it is only a surprising finding but we dont know that our logic of transplantation will ever work

Physiology:

Extensive research is required to determine whether animal organs can replace the physiological functions of human organs. Many issues include:

• Size - Differences in organ size limit the range of potential recipients of xenotransplants.

• Longevity - The lifespan of most pigs is roughly 15 years, currently it is unknown whether or not a xenograft may be able to last longer than that.

• Hormone and protein differences - Some proteins will be molecularly incompatible, which could cause malfunction of important regulatory processes. These differences also make the prospect of hepatic xenotransplantation less promising, since the liver plays an important role in the production of so many proteins .[8]

• Environment - For example, pig hearts work in a different anatomical site and under different hydrostatic pressure than in humans [11].

• Temperature - The body temperature of pigs is 39°C (2°C above the average human body temperature). Implications of this difference, if any, on the activity of important enzymes are currently unknown.

Porcine endogenous retroviruses:

dangerous possibilities of fatal viral infections:

Endogenous retroviruses are remnants of ancient viral infections, found in the genomes of most, if not all, mammalian species. Integrated into the chromosomal DNA, they are vertically transferred through inheritance [17]. Due to the many deletions and mutations they accumulate over time, they usually are not infectious in the host species, however the virus may become infectious in another species .[9]. PERVS were originally discovered as retrovirus particles released from cultured porcine kidney cells [23]. Most breeds of swine harbor approximately 50 PERV genomes in their DNA [24]. Although it is likely that most of these are defective, some may be able to produce infectious viruses so every proviral genome must be sequenced to identify which ones pose a threat. In addition, through complementation and genetic recombination, two defective PERV genomes could give rise to an infectious virus [25]:. There are three subgroups of infectious PERVs (PERV-A, PERV-B, and PERV-C). Experiments have shown that PERV-A and PERV-B can infect human cells in culture [24][26]. To date no experimental xenotransplantations have demonstrated PERV transmission, yet this does not mean PERV infections in humans are impossible

Also there is an ethical consideration in using monkeys for transplant. As they are so genetically close to us they make the perfect match but would you sacrifice your cousin to save your sister?

oh my very dear exiled saint

i dont need ur pity

and i plz help me if u ever can with scientific explanations to my doubts

if u ever can in ur life

anyway ur small comments cant ddo the big job

give me evidences while u address my doubts dont forget as u always do!

ok whyteknight

anyway u didnot clear my points , which is not possible

another thing thank for the xenatransplantation

and i will get back to u soon

Rawda poor child you are misguided, do not believe all you read...

rawda look up Xenotransplantation.

Read it thoroughly and not the way you studied Darwin theory to avoid making false remarks.

my god!!!

anyway this does look like a scientific discussiom with people pointing similarities between pigs and human's

Allahuakbar

all praise be to Allah for his miraculous creation

anyway there r some pigs amongs human beings also

no matter wat good u try to feed them they reject it and go for filth instead!!!

anyway exiledsaint post another topic

which u know, and have some ideas so that we can be impressed by ur knowledge

Thanks.

Yes but much further back. However we do share a large chunk of DNA which makes them ideal for transplants

Question:

If Chimpanzee and Human had a common ancestor (similar genes), what about Pigs? Do we share a common ancestor too ?

You can look away from the evidence but it will still be there and will not change because you deny it.

More nonsense...

Thank god that evolved :-/

a scientist found his spine in cat?

I can't be bothered anymore with this pointles debate. no wonder this region needs expats in technical areas.

No, it's evolution. And sooner or later men will need nothing there anymore. Some machine will be doing that instead. (Guess in the year 2525).

You people???????????? its all because of the gravity of the EARTH! ... :D

Have a nice weekend guys...

Yes we understand now..very crystal clear! Thank you once again for that explanation.

A hydrogen atom cannot do much, and neither can an oxygen atom. But if you put them together in the right way you'll get H2O, and now you have a whole set of new properties which none of the constituents has on its own. That's evolution. Got it?

thanks reysaj

it is gentle manly on ur part to appreciate others comments

anyway evoltion although looks like a simple theory on face value has too many complications inside many unansewered questions

we can try and discuss abt the genetical evolution but with man and other animals - those that r capable of thinking

posses intelligence of varrying degrees , how can we explain the evolution of intelligence?

blaming it on genetical make up is insufficient

for eg. we assemble a computer - hardware

but to make it useable - we have to impose appropriate software into it - externally

thus is the case of our genetical make up

although it is the hardware the commands have to come from an external source

hope u understand

Creationism versus evolution AGAIN???????

Man,I think I might even prefer to talk about a bony boner by now...:/

People only display their ignorance here for all to see. OK, you don't like evolution and what it means but don't write nonesense that just makes you look silly.

No wonder arab universities struggle to produce good scientists with such medieval thinking

LP

The issue maybe interesting, but the debate here lacks knowledge. People only throw opinions in the air, not even bothering to prove their significance.

even to this day where almost everybody gets interests in the advent of science development.

i just want to tell readers to please give comments in a decent way... Thanks to radwa_k and thexiledsaint for your profound thoughts regarding this subject.

It is, smoke. Keep it up, though.

LP i was actually just typing the same thing but decided it would be a waste of energy.

Rawda you ignorance of scientific matters is obvious. Chimpanzies did not evolve into humans, humans and the great apes shared a common ancestor. They took different routes depending on a variety of factors and evolved into the species we see today. Chimpanzies did not stop evolving, they are still evolving today!!

You have no idea of DNA and evolutionary genetic biology. You blindy follow the words in a book without question, leave the areas of science to those of us who do understand it.

Chimps are not our forefathers! Chimps developed separated from humans from a common ancestor. When do people take the time to READ Darwin instead of poisoning the air with false arguments!

so we have more than one type of evolution!!

right?

plants evolved differently , animals differently, human differently

so that makes evolution a very very complex process - as complicted as creationism!!!

Rawda thank you for that explanation..we can all now understand my joke better :P

PS: look up "Boner"

ok smoke

first of all i want to ask u as exiled saint claims as do many

that we r cousins of chimpanzies

plz tell me why did the evolution of some chimpanzies stop abruptly?

and some other chimpanzies continued the evolution process to go on to become MAN?

as claimed by some after all we have common ancestors?

right then why evolution happened in some offsrings cases and some others discontinued yet some others had varied type of evolution?

this is suggestive to the aspect that evolution in itself has many branches - there r different types of evolutions!!

some evolved to become man some to chimpanzies some to mere apes etc...

Rawda there is nothing ridiculous about this theory..where do you think the term "boner" came from?

this is ridiculuos really

anyway human imagination is par exellence

im surprised people believe in things so easily and so blindly as soon as the word science or scientists are mentioned

nice photoshoot

I was going to post this but then decided against it, my friends of the religious biggoted variety would have turned this into a religious debate, where in fact its just science.

Its interesting though how man evolved away from his cousins, but I am sure the women are happy the men lost this ability!