So the americans do just like the chinese..

Adey, thanks for posting it, I really enjoyed watching it.

Glad you did too.

off topc but......

I saw a programme about a guy doing a 2 week cultural holiday in Germany....looked great! You never regard Germany as a tourist destination but he sold it to me.

Here it is:

Edifis, no, I lived in the North West.

nomerci did you by chance live in the Eastern part of Germany bordering Poland & Czech Rep?

Edifis, where I come from, there were 2 large clans. One Sinti, one Roma. They were fighting each other constantly, kidnapping each others children, knifing each other etc. They had no jobs...although in my country there are plenty pf FREE programs to get educated and to find work...they did not WANT to do that. Funny thing though...they always had money...how and where from, who knows? One of my friends got involved with one of them...hence we, my circle of friends, got to know some of them and their habits and customs. Sadly, my friend was badly hurt by them. Scarred for life.

Anyhow...the area where they lived, even the police did not want to go there...of course there were plenty of occasions where they HAD to.

IF gypsies wanted to have a normal, honest life, they can...at least where I come from.

while the rapist gets to sow his wild oats...UNBELIEVABLE.

There are lots of them in India too. People call them Banjaara. I know a few of them and they roam from place to place selling trifle things...They are poor..Some might be involved in petty theft or crimes...but I don't think they are proud of it.

edifis, do you know, personally , any gypsies? Have you lived in places where they are?

I have.

They are discriminated against? And why is that?

Sure, to generalize and say they ALL are thieves, liars and do not want to work is wrong, no question.

Thing is, these attributes are correct for most of them.

And that is something they are proud of, actually....it's their culture, as THEY say.

Roma Gypsies are colorful people with an eye for art and a good musical ear! They make very good music!

Not all are thieves...they have many medicines & cures and can read your palm too.

They are not the root of all trouble in Europe! The trouble stems from the fact that the mainstream population of Europe treats them as garbage and petty thieves, they are discriminated against and their nature is just corollary!

John Lalay, they are gypsies, their nationality is Roma. They have their own culture . They live in Europe, may have European passports, like many other people do, but that is where being European starts and ends.

Originally they are Indian, actually.

So? Forced marriages happen all over the world all the time, at least the authorities are doing something about it.

and?.......what's that got to do with your OP? What is this thread all about?

if they are not european or the part of developed and civilized society, or do they belong to third world?

Those are gypsies.

And the Swedish police has freed her and is prosecuting those people.

Gypsies cause a lot of trouble, all over Europe, sadly.

Now adey and Miss Mimi how about this....

Swedish police have freed a 14-year-old girl who was allegedly trafficked to Sweden from Belgrade and held as a sex-slave for a year by a mentally-deranged man

The Daily Expressen described the girl's captor as a 25-year-old mentally handicapped man.

His family believed he would get better if he had a wife, so they bought the girl for him from her father in the Serbian capital, paying 1,000 euros (ê1,360), the paper said.

"The girl was forced to get engaged in line with Roma customs with the 25-year-old, and was taken to the family's apartment ... where she was locked up," Expressen reported.

The girl, whose name was not disclosed, has told police she was subjected daily to threats and physical abuse

A Gothenburg court has detained four people in the case on suspicion of human trafficking, including the girl's captor and her father, Swedish news agency TT said.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/14-year-old-girl-held-as-sex-slave-for-a-year-2011-11-09-1.427524

U need to take these stories as beauty of developed world and should avoid their lunatic experiments, that they did on HUMAN and some time they worked in positive way. for example Look at present Australians and New Zealanders they are the output of those British criminals who were sent to these Islands long ago.

The point being.....this has been widly known for 20 years or so.

Large scale? 7,600 people over 45 years in one state hardly constitutes a large scale. As for fighting for compensation, that's par for the course, and they will be compensated, unlike people in "third world" countries.

Miss Mimi - It may have happened 44 years ago but they got to know that it was being done on such a large scale only later and till to this day the victims are fighting for justice and compensation (Check the link above)

GOJ, I think the difference is when these stories come out of "third world" countries NOW, in 2011, as opposed to the West 44 years ago.

Unfortunately back then they did it because they thought things like low IQ, promiscuity, homosexuality, mental & physical illness, etc, could be passed on to children as genetic defects (in their defense they also though smoking was good for you and cancer was contagious) and they misguidedly thought they were protecting society by doing this. They weren't correct and it seems horrific now, but according to the societal norms of the time, it was pretty par for the course across the globe.

timebandit - Now if I put a post on the financial mess that has been going on in Ireland, Portugal, Greece and now in Italy and which has resulted in hardships for the local people and later on will or may affect the rest of the world economy then you will take it as trying to be negative towards the west. Why dont this people get their house in order instead of trying to preach to others what they themselves know very little about.

...and how would you justify sterilizations on girls as young as nine. This type of stories when they come from third world countries make for interesting reading but when they are from the developed world then they sound unbelievable..(is it not)

This was quite common in many countries in the 60's and 70's. In fact, they didn't stop it in the Scandinavian countries until the early 80's.

GOJ... it would seem you don't like the West. You posts are regularly negative towards the West and rarely relevant to Qatar. It seems to me that you sift through news stories that highlight the failings of the West and then take great delight in posting them on QL. Of course you are free to post whatever you like on QL and I am not one to discourage anyone from posting whatever they want. I am just making an observation.

I have my passport and can leave anytime

Plus, I think your response shows that you failed to understand the point I was making.

But, Hey-ho

:)

There are people in every society that shouldn't be allowed to procreate, but they do anyways. I do not agree with the legal process that was used to carry out this sterilization, but I do agree with the concept behind why they did it.

08-11-2011 to be exact .... and you Adey are still stuck as a slave out here, without your passport in your hands and you just cannot go home even if you want to without a exit visa from yr guy

1952: Qatar abolishes slavery

1962: Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery

1962: Yemen abolishes slavery

1963: United Arab Emirates abolishes slavery

1970: Oman abolishes slavery

A 44yr old story!

GOL-

Have you heard that man has landed on thne moon yet?

Is the process reversible? Or is it like neutering a cat?

hmm, not a surprise , but if you wanted you can find this in nearly every country in the World up to the early 70"s . Even in Countries you never thought would do things like this.

Don't bash the Americans ands Chinese only

americans are amazing throughout their history, from the day, the first immigrant stepped on new land, and started human hunting for pleasure.