What the.........!!!!!

havn't read the book yet but looked at her career and read what others have said about her and her writings.

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Ok thanks.:)

But have you actually read the book?

It rings a vague bell.

An old experiment about trying to weigh the 'soul'

Can't remember now the explanation as to why is was all a load of bunk.

I looked up 'The Intention experiment" - I must say, you do like your pseudoscience lol ;)

Described by one scientist as "tosh"

Quantum theory is fascinating and there is so much more to discover but Lynne McTaggart, who again is not a scientist, takes a bit of knowledge and adds mystical guesswork to it.

I will find you a couple of vids on Quantum mechanics...hold on.

Another question to you Adey..i have read about an experiment, where dyeing man (with his consent, as he was a scientist himself) was placed in an air, water and anything else tight container. No substance we know of could get in or out. The weight he had was reduced, ( the whole container was weighed with him in it)significantly, as far as I remember, after he had passed away? Why and how?

What's your take on this?

eeerrrrmm...hmm..I leave that up to you, adey ;)

did I say "very wise"?

I meant sneaky!

lol

:P

so, a tactical withdrawl on your part.....very wise, very wise.

Shall we invite Dr. Al Malki to the next round? After all she.......seems to know some......... stuff ......apparently?!?

:P

nomerci...I sure will, as it sounds interesting. Just was more than curious to get some indicators to start with so as to save some time.

Prism, the timeline would be July /August/September...as those books are at home....

But if you are interested in the subject, why don't you try to find books etc. about it?

It's not only the water, there is a lot more to it.:)

(Seriously) it would be interesting to know something about change in molecular structure of water by talking to it. Should I bookmark this thread in case you are really returning on 'ç'... for a yes, a timeline would be helpful!!!

Adey, DO have a look at the book though, very, very interesting.

Adey..see, here is the thing..I can't fight! I a. do not have evidence at hand, b. fighting about what one believes is useless without evidence at hand ....and c. most importantly, I do like you too much to shredd you to pieces..;)

Give me some time, once I get hand on my material, I'll let you now. :)

I am going to be heartless and am going for the WIN!!!So we can concur that there is NO published scientific evidence that states that talking to water, or concentrating very hard on it, changes it's colour, molecular structure or any other Woo effects?We only believe that some things are unknown to science?.....but this is not one of them!Bring your evidence and fight like a man(woman) if you don't accept your submission!!! :P

yes, they are.

2:43 PM:It is not the colour, it is the molecular structure of water that changes. And yes, that has been scientifically proven.7:36PM:Sure, this research and many other subjects relating to it are in their infancy, no question, and there are not any results( that I know of) that are accepted by the mainstream scientific community, so far.Sorry, but are the two talking of the change of molecular structure of water.

Adey, lol, love you too! :)

Here is the thing, people were laughed at and prosecuted a few hundred years ago for saying the earth is round etc.

Sure, this research and many other subjects relating to it are in their infancy, no question, and there are not any results( that I know of) that are accepted by the mainstream scientific community, so far. All I can say is, wait and see.

Maybe one day there will be conclusive results, maybe not.

One thing I DO believe though, there is a lot more than meets the (scientific) eye. And I also think the mainstream scientific community is aware of this.

I'd like to recommend a book to you " The intention experiment" by Lynne McTaggart

It's available on Kindle, if you have one .

this is actually concerning that a woman with (clearly) so much respect in Qatar is practically unheard of anywhere else in the world... Google search does not come up with anything about this lady other than excerpts from local media. Could not see any internationally published / peer reviewed papers, no records of where doctorate was obtained... scary...

I still like that she rises some topics nobody else would talk about (no, not this particular one :o)

Wow ... maybe I should try it !

I do love you, but really.......the 'Society for Scientific Exploration(SSE)'!?!

David Icke's followers really love these guys:

http://forum.davidicke.com/archive/index.php/t-87289.html

The pdf you linked to was inconclusive and never followed up by anyone as far as I can tell.

"Journal of Scientific Exploration, was established to provide a scientific forum for ufology, parapsychology and cryptozoology......(and) among other things, consciousness physics, astrology"

"The journal has published articles implying that certain topics, like paranormal activities, dowsing and reincarnation, are true and have been verified scientifically. The articles try to convince other scientists that further research into those topics is warranted, and they are often written by scientists with impressive academic credentials, but the mainstream scientific community has deliberately ignored all of them."

"Pretty much anything that might have shown up on The X-Files or in the National Enquirer shows up here first"

"According to experimental psychologist Roger D. Nelson, head of the Global Consciousness Project, the SSE aims to "give everyone a respectful hearing. If we think a speaker is doing bad science, we consider it our duty to criticize it. We get our share of lunatics, but they don't hang around long."

"it's also not surprising that that same Henry Bauer(director of SSE) has published papers arguing that scientists have ignored powerful evidence that the Loch Ness Monster is real."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1064461,00.html#ixzz1jRs3QsF3

:P

For anybody interested...http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_09_1_pyatnitsky.pdf

As someone who does not require evidence to back up a scientific claim, it is rich of you to be questioning the necessity of something....

Here is a question for all you lunatics;

If humans are 75% water, how come staring at a person lovingly does not change THEIR molecular structure?

sir qof, really? That was necessary?

As I said, if someone says something mythical or fascinating enough that appeals to the spirituality or mystique of someone's belief, then to hell with the actual evidence for those people.

In science if you make a claim, the burden of proof is upon you to produce evidence to support that claim, and make it able to be tested in any lab across the world under the same conditions and get the same outcome.

I have seen unicorns in books I cannot remember the name of too. So they must surely exist as well...

Water is a tiny V-shaped molecule with the molecular formula H2O.

Phase changes or State changes do not change the underlying chemical/molecular structure of a compound.

So, Ice, Water, and Steam (Water vapor) all have the same chemical/molecular structure.

Niether colour or molecular structure will change by being hostile to it....or....showing it some luvvvv

Scientifically proved?.......my arse!

'has been proved the authenticity of this matter which is beyound doubt.'

er.....no it hasn't.

Provide the proof.......give a link.

Dear Friends,

I Agree with our friend ( nomerci ) that molecular structur of water that change not a color of water. unfortunately it is been said mistakenly or translated incorrectly.

And the second things that this reaserch carried out even by a Janpanian Scientist who come to conclusion of this and has been proved the authenticity of this matter which is beyound doubt.

Good Luck to all friends

Adey, I do not know where you should look. I have read about it in books. The experiments described were, as per those books, conducted by reputable scientists. Now, please do not ask me about the titles, as this a quite a while ago and I do not have those books here in Qatar.

Sorry.

It's only her whole "water" theory that I found unconvincing. But as far as her hugging and showing kids affection advice goes, I must say this is not just an Arab tradition but an Islamic tradition as well. In fact there are many narrations where our Prophet embraced his grandchildren and advised people to show love and kindness to their children as well. However sadly today, in a world where even so called religious people have turned out perverted monsters it's not a good idea to encourage too much physical bonding between anyone except one's own children(and some people even don't practice this anymore).

Again I am aware that my daughter is hugged and kissed by her teachers and even principal and since I know of how its done, and how much better she fares in her school work when treated with such loving gestures, I am not against them here. Just to note my daughter does attend an Arab school and she's probably the only non Arab student there.

tell me where the source of this scientifically proven experiment is so that I can judge for myself....as a general google search draws a blank.

scientific evidence(proof) is testable, falsifiable, repeatable, peer reviewed and able to make accurate predictions. Dr. Masaru Emoto's 'work' is none of these things so it is not a matter of opinion .........it really is bs.

:)

Adey, what is proof for one person is bs for another, as simple as that.:)

Dr. Masaru Emoto comes up as the only source for a 'talking to water and changing its molecular structure' search.

From wiki:

'Emoto's work is widely considered pseudoscience by professionals, and he is criticized for going directly to the public with misleading claims that violate basic physics, based on methods that fail to properly investigate the truth of the claims.

Physician Harriet A. Hall writes, about the ideas of Emoto, that "This watery fantasy is all very entertaining and imaginative, full of New Age feel-good platitudes, holistic oneness, consciousness raising, and warm fuzzies; but it's hard to see how anyone could mistake it for science."

Emoto freely acknowledges that he is not a scientist'

What scientific proof?

adey, that would be Google :)

Taking your example, and this place, where children are probably punished in such a way, how are they supposed to understand when the love that should be coming from parents is provided by teachers instead. It's a case of misplaced affections and only adds to confusion.

Like I said, it's the choice of words and it's application in the culture.

By the way,not just you, but many of us here would be angry when we see any kind of abuse towards anybody's children.

do tell. Give us a clue where to search to find the molecular structure of water chsnging if you give it some luv

dear han ,,, Actually i am not so familiar with the local schools,,, may b u r right in your ways,,,

actually I am from Nepal and I see too many problems in school there ,, a lot of complains of parents punishing the students in very bad manner,,

Its really very bad to give physical or mental torture to the kids who even dont know what is wright and wrong,, I have seen kids of 7 and 8 years been beaten by sticks and blood came out of their hands,, can you imagine if it happens to your kid , i will be mad on this,,,,

It is not the colour, it is the molecular structure of water that changes. And yes, that has been scientifically proven.

I assume, as genesis said, it has been translated wrong.

In case you are interested, google is your friend.

Khan............i understand what you are saying, but the problem here is the choice of words used by the psychologist and its application here in the local culture. Go to the local boys primary school where the teachers are women, and you will realize that it's not so simple.

ya sir Qofh u r absolutely right..

but we are talking about dealing with some special mischief students and who are stubborn or bad mannered or slow or depressed ones...

Its not about me, or anyone else giving our approval here. God knows we have no right or authority but it still comes across as very senseless and funny to claim water changes colors as to how it is addressed by people. And she did state it is scientifically proven!Makes people wonder why locals need to be lied to in order to better themselves. Perhaps you have a point..maybe her real message is lost in translation here, but to the majority of us, non Qataris, it dose sound laughable and false to say the least. But again if this is truly not her actual words or what she means then may God forgive me for ridiculing her and increase her in success either ways..Aameen!

Qatar and Qataris...........lol

I hate to say that but Dr Moza was addressing locals on her interview . she doesn't need your approval of her methodology or anyone else in that matter as she understand the fabric of our society

On a personal note , i can't relate to her advice as my children go to an international school. but i understand how this works in government girls school

so you feel it also as ubsurd?

Dear Sal,

I understand what you mean by Indians' and their teacher student relationship, But dear friend a lot has changed in India from the times of "Matha Pitha Guru Deva"[Mother , Father, and teacher are god]....Why , even you, who formerly was a brother is now a neighbor!

Today with everything from milk to you-name-it being adulterated it is best to be cautious. That said I am completely with you on that"

She only means that teachers should have motherly affection"

Just that this affection needs lesser physical manifestations, rather dedication to the improvement of the student, a willingness to go that extra mile would be more acceptable.

everything is possible

might possible, later on scientists may prove it with their research, but till that we have to treat it as a joke of the day.

Didn't we hear sometime back that the number of clinically depressed people are on the rise in Qatar? And with psychologist like this...Allahu Must3aan!

I didn't know water was a living thing with feelings either..and to think how many times I have downed em without caring how they feel!

Now on a serious note;I honestly have no issue with my daughter's class teachers and even principal(all females) showing her affection(in a manner I know is appropriate as I have witnessed them) and this is because I have taught her all she needs to know on what is right and what is wrong, what is appropriate and what is not. I have taught her of child abuse and how to tell signs.And I constantly quiz her on all the going-ons in her school life.We are very close and she knows she can tell me everything(though mind you I still don't overestimate/underestimate anyone here). Likewise I have met personally all her teachers and got to know them as well. I don't want to deny her affection as she is a child who responds to TLC far more than harshness, but I will not let my guard down either.I believe there is a line between what is right and wrong and as long as no boundaries are crossed children should be treated with kindness and affection though a degree of sternness is a required too. In all instances it's best to keep physical contact to a minimum and rely more on verbal methods.

Genesis, ALL articles in local English newspapers and magazines are written VERY poorly.

Not only when it comes to translation, but also "original" articles.

the message was there but the wordings as printed (and now you confirmed that it was in Arabic,the original) is really easily misunderstood. Specially if one mind is set on the negative side.

It is a serious article highlighting a serious matter, however the water analogy is a poor choice.

i don't know for how long will the peninsula continue badly translating reports from the local Arabic dailies without explaining the whole context. to Dr. Moza Al Malki interview came after huge controversy on a girls school that resulted in a head trauma of a local teenager. Since last week there is article after another calling for the downfall of the minster of Education due to the poor investigation of incident.

Maybe someone should explain to the Peninsula Editor that unlike English, the gulf arabs uses a lot of analogy in their speech

But as the teacher you should be the role of discipline in that child's life, not hitting them, but you are also the first line of authority that child meets in life.

A parents discipline is muddled and blurred with the love they have; that should be the case, they are your family.

As a teacher, you should have a caring stance but ultimately a professional outlook on all the children. You are the first time the child is learning that not everyone in life will 'love' them like their parents, and that there are certain boundaries of conduct to be adhered to in the outside world.

It could in fact be weakening the bond with their family at a forumlative stage in life, because every adult in their world hugs them and seems to love them unconditionally; to them, how is there a difference?

A child's emotional development is vital, but that evolution in emotions is a parental influence; in the classroom you are the guiding light of education, and enlightening the child's knowledge.

The reward for the child from you is that they grasp key mental concepts and life skills. The reward should not be a 'hug'.

Han what u understand by kissing and embracing a child,,

I also was a teacher I taught hundreds of students ,,, they are like out kids,, really if u daily meet them and see them around u will have parental love with them .. I felt it so i am telling ,,and a teacher can u expect to be characterless ,,, if he/she is like that they should be out of school...or institution ,,,,

and about the color of water i cant say any thing ,,,

but what about the article is its very serious,,,,,

and please take the relation ship between teacher and student like parents and children,, teacher are the second parents okkk guies

Dear sal, things are changing even in India so Please don't be surprised.

Yes everyone, you are all getting hung up on the FACTS.

Why don't you believe her? I mean it is not like facts and evidence are important to proving something is it?!

Qlasia- you are deluded. The Secret is one of the most idiotic books ever written, and scientifically completely unproven. Gravity, light, sound, these are things that can be PROVEN. The Secret? If I wrote a book saying that everytime I eat a sandwich, then something good happens to someone else, then that is exactly the same principle of the crappy 'Secret'.

What I love about people like this water-woman are that they make totally stupid and foolish claims and then, when they are questioned on proving it, come out with some 'oh, the answer is too big for a human mind to comprehend or be explained'....and everyone goes 'ooooohhhh......so powerful.....'.

Insanity.

Is this a similar theory

http://hado-energie.nl/about_hado.php

She only means that teachers should have motherly affection. It is an eastern value that teachers are like parents not service providers. And they should be able to exercise the same rights and privileges. Why is deliberately trying to misunderstand what she said. I am especially surprised at Indians implying things about what she said. You have (or had) the same values in India; teachers were 'in the place of' parents. And uncles and aunts and even family friends kiss our children and no one frowns. In the West, obviously, you dont kiss someone else's kids because every incident there triggers drawing up of SOPs for appropriate conduct.

Khan......love and hate concept is understandable, change in water colour is?????? Where's the scientific proof for this?

Moreover, would you be comfortable if a male teacher was to kiss and embrace your daughter and vice versa?

Like Polka dots asked......what is permissible?

..also how to guage the extend of permissible hugs and kisses by ALL teachers on your OWN kids?

khan, can you care to explain the change in water colour?

HI ALL SMART GUIES

did u see on what the article is concentrating ,, its about a serious matter and u r just trying to make joke of what ever you can get...

great ,,

that's the best comment ever .. lol

It must be vodka in the glasses not water!!!

O_O .. Banging the head on the wall !!!!

I wana go back to school .............

Kiss and embrace children????????

For a culture that is very strict on male and female segregation, imagine the impact of this on the boys studying in the local junior schools here, where its mostly women who teach them till Grade 5. That's sending mixed signals.

lol polka, may be this teacher too was the victim of that priest

There is such a thing called love. and love is not just a belief. it expands and reaches and touches..in another dimension. We are not just living in a 3-dimensional world nor a 4-dimensional world. Who cares whether the example given by her is true or not..but the moral behind the story is so very true. Example, surely everyone has read or seen the video of "The Secret". Surely everyone has read about " The Silva Method". Surely everyone believes in "Mind over Matter".

And a lot of Kissing and embracing the wards is what got the German Priest to be misunderstood:-(

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/qatar/179556-cane-e-that-teachem.html

Haha!! The height of foolishness..