British universities

My pleasure. Good luck to you.

Thanks for everyone's comments. Lots to to think about.

Interesting Oly. I'm at Cambridge. Lincoln is a pretty little college.

Bachus--She might look at some Canadian Unis too. I have a cousin at McGill, and she loves it (Chemistry).

Most of the Universities are very good. It all depends firstly on the subjects she wants to study.

Look at the websites for: Bristol, Exeter, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Manchester, Liverpool, UCL, York, Bath and Liverpool.

Good luck!

VG5 Thanks for comments. I was at Oxford (a Lincolnian) and then on to Columbia. I preferred Oxford as university but NYC as a great city that I still enjoy visiting.

Now I will wait for jjj75 to write a libelous attack against me. :-(

Oh, so this is where it started between you two.

Hate to say it again, but Olympic's is right about costs--the twice as much claim just isn't true anymore. The links he gives are true. Not sure what sources the others are using. At least Starting next autumn when fees go up. For a domestic British student fees will be about $15,000 at most English universities. Overseas students pay more or less depending on the course. At most US universities the costs are the same for undergrads regardless of course of study.

So what universities did you study at Olympics? If you studied at both UK and US options. You seem to take an awful big interest in higher ed.

I think you are forgetting one is in pounds and the other is in dollars. LOL.

Get over jjj75. Your so-called figures are wrong and without direct links to sources. Mine are to the Cambridge, Harvard, Oxford, admissions offices for tuition for overseas students. Quit giving out false info to save face. Even the OP says your wrong after bothering to look the stuff up himself. Even above you said Harvard costs $50,000 and then you just said 38-40. You really make me laugh at your inability to admit mistakes.

Clearly the problem is that YOU are just googling things and not making sure they are credible sources. Thank you again for underlining my point about the quality of UK university education at all but a tiny handful of universities.

Undergrad - Camb 20-24k - Harvard 38-40k (for international students and an absolute snip if you are british).

Thanks jjj75, but I've seen some of these rankings and am trying look beyond them.

Not sure where the Cambridge for half the price figures in??? I looked at the links from Olympics and did some digging of my own and its about the same (or within 10%) for someone doing a science or engineering degree. UK universities are less for arts, but my niece is geared towards science.

btw--she has top marks and is looking at the overseas options at the advice of her teachers. Still, it's not guarantee to get in.

Thanks again everyone.

2020 I googled just like you but as usual if it does not suit you, you ignore or call my assertions false.

Here you go Bachus - something useful for you:

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2011

look at Cambridge - makes interesting reading (ahead of harvard and half the cost)

Thank you all for your great comments. Please keep them coming.

Like some here I assumed British unis were much cheaper than the US for foreign students. Maybe this was a recent change? Thanks for the clarification Olympics.

I am giving facts that correct the false information provided by JJJ75 so that the OP make a good decision.

will you both stop catfight and proving each other wrong..

let the OP get some original and honest opinion...

Base tuition at Yale is $33,400

http://www.yale.edu/printer/bulletin/htmlfiles/publichealth/tuition-expenses-and-financial-aid.html

Less if you go to art school. Which might be a good option for those who cannot deal in figures and facts.

You are adding room, board, fees, etc. etc. into your figure. The original $30,000 I quoted for Oxford is ONLY tuition. You have to compare likes to make a good comparison.

Every time you post on this thread you make my argument about declining standards in UK universities (a handful of elite ones excluded).

2020 like you, I have the wit to google something and found those figures. Apologies, I think that yale may be a shade under $50,000 at something like $49,120 (my bad for knocking 800bucks off)

But once again, you ignore what does not suit

I did read what you wrote, and you did not know what you were talking about as usual. Best to not comment and hide your ignorance than comment and show it.

Did you read what I wrote?

"Tuition at the schools I mentioned is around $25,000. More at UCLA and Berkeley than at the others. Top private universities in the US are around $40,000."

btw--base tuition at Harvard is $37,000 (compared to $30,000 in bio science base fee at Oxford).

Do you ever check your so-called facts before posting? You are misleading the original poster of this thread who has requested genuine advice.

Scotland Universities all the way!!! :D

FREEDOM!!

2020 did you read what I wrote - what part of 'not even sure' is a firm statement of fact? But as usual, if it suits you to believe otherwise...

Actually, Harvard Yale and princeton are all about the same at $50,000 for overseas students which is almost double Ox + Cambridge

You never cease to amaze me with your assumptions and ignorance JJJ75.

Oxford and Cambridge both offer electrical engineering:

Oxford: http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate_courses/courses/engineering_science/engineering_scienc_4.html

Cambridge:

http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/research/divisions/view/B

Both are highly rated.

As to "I seriously doubt even for foreign students thta uk universities charge half as much"

On university costs for foreign students:

Biological science at Oxford fees are £18550 which about $30,000. Same at the lesser UK universities which is scam.

Tuition at the schools I mentioned is around $25,000. More at UCLA and Berkeley than at the others. Top private universities in the US are around $40,000.

I think JJJ75 is making my case about the general quality of UK universities (a handful of elite ones excepted)!

errr, charging, I am not even sure that oxford/cambridge offer electrical engineering as a course - not their thing...

2020, yes it was a poll but I don't think it was the times and I seriously doubt even for foreign students thta uk universities charge half as much, hence why we had so many when I was at Uni - it was cheaper than America

redtreble said "And why would I have a chip on my shoulder when I went to one of the best Business Schools in the UK?"

I do not know redtreble. Why do you have such a class chip on your shoulder? Please tell us. And does LSE even have its own business school?

jjj75--For overseas students UK universities are not much different than many top US universities in price, such as Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, Texas.

"For pure weight of population UK has more in top world ranking than anywhere else." Where is your evidence for this? This is only true if using a UK ranking like the Times which most dismiss for all its bias toward the UK.

btw--I have nothing against the UK higher education, just realistic view that much of it is overrated and underfunded. I went to an English university and then an American one for graduate study.

Being an Electrical engineer myself and having taken graduate studies in US, I can tell you from firsthand experience that even the top UK universities like Oxford and Cambridge are no match to a 30th rank US university like Duke. Seriously!

Only writing this so that you think before spending.

ahhh but Us universities are very expensive and apart from the top ones no better or worse than any in the UK. For pure weight of population UK has more in top world ranking than anywhere else. Get more bang for your buck in UK. Also, depends on what she wants to study and what her grades are. Can't say 'oh, she will go to cambridge' its a no can do without very good grades

Okay, here's some enlightening. Warwick University has a higher rated business school than LSE. But of course, because LSE is a London University, it's better, right?

And why would I have a chip on my shoulder when I went to one of the best Business Schools in the UK (not Warwick or LSE in case you were wondering)?

It is tough to say like that.. It depends on the field of study.. For example some uni's are really specialized in Engineering while other are excellent in economics, social studies etc.

Just have a look at below websites,

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings

http://www.webometrics.info/

Did anyone go to one of these universities or have a spouse or family member who did? Any good experiences (bad)?

Is there really such a big difference between a place like Oxford and Nottingham? Aren't they basically both old and elite universities?

Wow. What a chip on your shoulder over quality universities. If I don't have a clue, then why try enlightening me?

Strangely, I always thought it was the best to go to the best university and that if a university has the best faculty and courses it was one of the best universities. And if a university had hardly any money it could not afford to hire the best faculty or fund the best courses. ROFL.

2020 Olympics - You don't have a f**king clue what you're talking about. It isn't just about how 'great' a University is; that sort of thinking went out in the twentieth century. It is about how good a faculty or a course is.

red treble said "There are loads of great universities in the UK". LOL!

If by "loads" you mean to say three or four or five, then OK.

Maybe Durham should be added to the list in my original posting . . . but probably not the rest. No probably not Durham either. With few exceptions UK universities are underfunded. Best to look at the American system if she can't get a spot at the top three or four.

But then that depends on how able your niece is. If her goal is to study at a UK university then best to apply to a range with some of what are called "safety schools" from jjj75's list.

Ignore 2020 Olympics, he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. There are loads of great universities in the UK but the key is to understand what your niece wants to study and then research which universities have the best reputation for that particular discipline. For example, if she wants to do Business Studies, then somewhere like Warwick might be a good choice.

But like I say, it needs proper research.

Durham, newcastle, nottingham, UMIST, Lancaster. Alot she will have to have top grades to get into them

If she is academically capable and wants to study for a traditional degree and subject: Oxford, Cambridge and maybe so of the colleges in the London system are really the only choices to consider. Edinburgh also.

If she wants a wishy subject like 'tourism' or to have good time then their are more suitable choices.

The US has more good choices overall.