Here's a theory. The stadium requires upgrades and expansion for teh World Cup. So perhaps, the time is ripe to demolish Villagio now and start perperations for the new stadium and mall..
Yes Flor, if only the parents of all those dead children had been "more aware" their kids would be alive. Basically they are now mourning the loss of their beloved children not because laws were broken and overlooked by the mall and by civil defense, but because they carelessly sent their kids to Gympanzee.
then you are right, we don't need the Civil Defense since our area is safe.
The overlook that took lives in Villaggio fire was that a space should have not been built in a fire hazard area with insufficient fire safety standard.
Just imagine:
1. If Gympanzee was not located there.
2. If the fire did not start on a shop almost under it.
3. If Gympanzee has smoke extraction fans that could have extracted the smoke out of the area
Okay Flor, you're right. "We" need to be aware that just because there are signs leading to a fire exit, we shouldn't assume there will be no obstacles in our way and the door will be unlocked.
"We" need to be aware that just because we are entering a public space shared by thousands of people, we shouldn't expect that Civil Defense has approved the location of shops and nurseries and food courts.
"We" need to be aware that just because a mall has leased a space to be used for a certain purpose, we shouldn't assume that the landlord, tenant, and relevant authorities have all acted legally and ethically and approved the lease based on merit and legality, not just through connections.
"We" need to be aware that when there is a fire, and the Civil Defense turns up, they may or may not have the appropriate maps of the venue, but don't worry, they will stand around for half an hour and then decide to cut a hole in the roof or something.
I can totally see how there is so much "we" as consumers, as parents, as movie goers, can do to keep ourselves safe. Since by that logic, if "we" are all responsible for our own safety in such scenarios, the logical extension is that we can't rely on the government or the Civil Defense to prevent these tragedies.
to be part of "WE". If you don't involve yourself even in awareness, then the chances it will happen again is high. You said it, the complaints were made before but nothing happened, so that's it, just stop there?
You want to be very specific, Fubar?
True we are not voters but we are the consumers. We are the customers, we live here, we go there either out of curiosity or necessity.
The tragic incident already lost many lives and now that it's close, livelihood of so many people were also lost.
How can we overcome such tragic incident> By continuing our rants here on board. We already condemned those responsible, but will it return the lives lost? Again, learning from past mistakes like this tragic incident will make authorities more vigilant in implementing rules and regulation. And to us, to be more aware when we do our shopping, strolling etc etc anywhere in an enclosed structure whether it's a mall, office or schools.
For those of us living up that side of town, what we can say is that there are no signs of workers going in to fix it and return it to a usable state.
So either there is a plan to demolish it, or there is no rush whatsoever to repair it. We will need to get used to living without Villagio for months to come.
I think you people are all over reatcing. In 1666 they was a great fire in London which destroyed two thirds of the city through negilence. Are you saying you will never visit London again?
It is sad people have died but life moves on. What about all the employees, should they lose their jobs because of your bleeding hearts? If you don't want to go, don't its your choice but it should reopen and reopen with the problems fixed.
Flor it was users of QL who complained about fire exits being padlocked shut. "We" were ignored.
It's not us who failed miserably in ensuring that the building was safe, and spaces were being leased in compliance with local laws.
What you're almost saying is that the parents of all those dead children were responsible because they "overlooked" so many things.
Citizens and residents are supposed to look to the government and management of malls and feel a sense of faith that they are doing their job. "We" don't vote. "We" don't matter.
"WE". We should now be aware of overlooking so many things in the past that now we realize are very important. And these are the things we should learn so we could avoid such tragedy to happen again.
Better just to knock it down so that those directly and indirectly responsible can bury their heads in the sand and pretend nothing ever happened. Re-opening it as "new and improved" is just a nasty way of saying the old Villagio was a death trap and those who should have closed it down (as they have City Center) were too ignorant or lazy. Take your pick.
No, it won't and shouldn't be the same. I say this on a positive note...things should be more organised and in place as far as safety and security is concerned.
Fluffy, maybe people have now become aware how much danger there really is. Before nobody gave thought to it as one expected things to work properly in case of an emergency...well, experience is a harsh teacher.
I'm missing villagio. Hyatt plaza just doesn't cut it. And city center and landmark is too far from my house. And talking to other people who live in aziya the miss the convenience as well.
Honestly some people have become paranoid
You have been walking around all this time with locked exit doors in malls and not knowing or caring where their exit door is. not get giving a rats behind about fire safety
Now all of sudden people want become paranoid because of the the incident in villagio?
Maybe if people were this concerned in the first place those kids wouldn't have died.
People only want to something when something bad happens.
Flor , IMHO, it would be "They" as in the people who committed the mistakes in the first place...and no, I certainly do not think that I should be included in that.
I? Or should I use "people" or "authorities" or WHAT? Is "we" a big thing to you? If you don't want to be included in the "WE", fine, no one is obliged!
Well, thinking of WE...I am, and hopefully other people are too, not going higher than ground level in a mall/shopping center ,know where to closest exit is..THAT is what WE should be thinking about,IMHO and what I have learned.
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as you describe is unimaginable. Well, if that is your view, just don't go there IF EVER it reopens. That would be enough!
Shame on you to those who blame the parents now!!
This is selfish and impolite...before talking just put yourself on their places!
I will never visit villagio again
There is dead people there!
souls of dead little angels
this place will be sad and creepy
Here's a theory. The stadium requires upgrades and expansion for teh World Cup. So perhaps, the time is ripe to demolish Villagio now and start perperations for the new stadium and mall..
I just miss Villagio.....
Yes Flor, if only the parents of all those dead children had been "more aware" their kids would be alive. Basically they are now mourning the loss of their beloved children not because laws were broken and overlooked by the mall and by civil defense, but because they carelessly sent their kids to Gympanzee.
That's a horrible, horrible sentiment.
then you are right, we don't need the Civil Defense since our area is safe.
The overlook that took lives in Villaggio fire was that a space should have not been built in a fire hazard area with insufficient fire safety standard.
Just imagine:
1. If Gympanzee was not located there.
2. If the fire did not start on a shop almost under it.
3. If Gympanzee has smoke extraction fans that could have extracted the smoke out of the area
etc etc.
Okay Flor, you're right. "We" need to be aware that just because there are signs leading to a fire exit, we shouldn't assume there will be no obstacles in our way and the door will be unlocked.
"We" need to be aware that just because we are entering a public space shared by thousands of people, we shouldn't expect that Civil Defense has approved the location of shops and nurseries and food courts.
"We" need to be aware that just because a mall has leased a space to be used for a certain purpose, we shouldn't assume that the landlord, tenant, and relevant authorities have all acted legally and ethically and approved the lease based on merit and legality, not just through connections.
"We" need to be aware that when there is a fire, and the Civil Defense turns up, they may or may not have the appropriate maps of the venue, but don't worry, they will stand around for half an hour and then decide to cut a hole in the roof or something.
I can totally see how there is so much "we" as consumers, as parents, as movie goers, can do to keep ourselves safe. Since by that logic, if "we" are all responsible for our own safety in such scenarios, the logical extension is that we can't rely on the government or the Civil Defense to prevent these tragedies.
to be part of "WE". If you don't involve yourself even in awareness, then the chances it will happen again is high. You said it, the complaints were made before but nothing happened, so that's it, just stop there?
You want to be very specific, Fubar?
True we are not voters but we are the consumers. We are the customers, we live here, we go there either out of curiosity or necessity.
The tragic incident already lost many lives and now that it's close, livelihood of so many people were also lost.
How can we overcome such tragic incident> By continuing our rants here on board. We already condemned those responsible, but will it return the lives lost? Again, learning from past mistakes like this tragic incident will make authorities more vigilant in implementing rules and regulation. And to us, to be more aware when we do our shopping, strolling etc etc anywhere in an enclosed structure whether it's a mall, office or schools.
For those of us living up that side of town, what we can say is that there are no signs of workers going in to fix it and return it to a usable state.
So either there is a plan to demolish it, or there is no rush whatsoever to repair it. We will need to get used to living without Villagio for months to come.
yes to that
I think you people are all over reatcing. In 1666 they was a great fire in London which destroyed two thirds of the city through negilence. Are you saying you will never visit London again?
It is sad people have died but life moves on. What about all the employees, should they lose their jobs because of your bleeding hearts? If you don't want to go, don't its your choice but it should reopen and reopen with the problems fixed.
"We" overlooked in the past?
Flor it was users of QL who complained about fire exits being padlocked shut. "We" were ignored.
It's not us who failed miserably in ensuring that the building was safe, and spaces were being leased in compliance with local laws.
What you're almost saying is that the parents of all those dead children were responsible because they "overlooked" so many things.
Citizens and residents are supposed to look to the government and management of malls and feel a sense of faith that they are doing their job. "We" don't vote. "We" don't matter.
Why to Presume??? Time will tell If Villagio Would Open or Not.....
"WE". We should now be aware of overlooking so many things in the past that now we realize are very important. And these are the things we should learn so we could avoid such tragedy to happen again.
They will make it parking for khalifa stadium for 2022.
Even if it opens again. It would never ever be the same. Used to go to Villagio every weekend for some grocery but I never miss it.
Better just to knock it down so that those directly and indirectly responsible can bury their heads in the sand and pretend nothing ever happened. Re-opening it as "new and improved" is just a nasty way of saying the old Villagio was a death trap and those who should have closed it down (as they have City Center) were too ignorant or lazy. Take your pick.
villagio...crap..
they must convert the building to Fire station Building...VILLAGGIO FIRE STATION CENTER
No, it won't and shouldn't be the same. I say this on a positive note...things should be more organised and in place as far as safety and security is concerned.
If it re-opens then the least they can do is have some sort of memorial.
Fluffy, maybe people have now become aware how much danger there really is. Before nobody gave thought to it as one expected things to work properly in case of an emergency...well, experience is a harsh teacher.
I'm missing villagio. Hyatt plaza just doesn't cut it. And city center and landmark is too far from my house. And talking to other people who live in aziya the miss the convenience as well.
Honestly some people have become paranoid
You have been walking around all this time with locked exit doors in malls and not knowing or caring where their exit door is. not get giving a rats behind about fire safety
Now all of sudden people want become paranoid because of the the incident in villagio?
Maybe if people were this concerned in the first place those kids wouldn't have died.
People only want to something when something bad happens.
Flor , IMHO, it would be "They" as in the people who committed the mistakes in the first place...and no, I certainly do not think that I should be included in that.
I? Or should I use "people" or "authorities" or WHAT? Is "we" a big thing to you? If you don't want to be included in the "WE", fine, no one is obliged!
If I may asked, can you rephrase my comment?
Well, thinking of WE...I am, and hopefully other people are too, not going higher than ground level in a mall/shopping center ,know where to closest exit is..THAT is what WE should be thinking about,IMHO and what I have learned.
Flor...WE? Who is WE? I have nothing to do with any of it.....
Villaggio will be great again.
We just need to learn from the mistake of the past and overcome all obstacles to ensure that such tragedy won't happen again.
Hope I'm here when it re-opens!
Yes Nomad I agree.
Maybe they should knock the place down and build a fire training ground in memory of the victims.
I wish to be 'the first' to enter at the reopening ... !!
Wish Good Luck to the owners & stakeholders !!
May all your hopes are fulfilled, sooon !!
it'll be.. someday..
Maybe they should nuke it ...
they should make school there and teach science there .....
No, they should call it 'Jungle Zone' and allow bikinis.
Maybe because of all the bad memories they should knock it down and build another mall called Venice in its place then we would feel alright about it.
I don't want it to open again.Even if it does I could never make myself go there.
Ooops, sorry, people forget. I forgot.
It won't be the same.
Dreaming is not too bad.