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you are right! I told same thing to the Immigration Officers when they held me last year.

They just said, "madam we are just doing our job, if we let you out of this country and mag TNT ka don lagot kami"

I was like WHATHEEEFFFUUU? Doesn't SG have the right people to look for TNTs there?

What me and my other friends who love to travel notice with Immigration? Sorry to say but they seem envious, cause some Filipinos found a way out of this forsaken country to work so they can give their family a better life. And for us travelers, i'm sorry if they can't accept the fact that we are bums and we want to travel. Not being an ass but if these immigration people at least try to help our "fellow" Filipinos, I believe Philippines would be a better place.

I had an experience last year immigration held me cause I was bum. I was goin to fly to SG for a 4day-vacay with my long distance bf.

they held me 30mins the longest traumatic 30 mins of my life :(

Now I have a problem again, cause im flying to my bf's country, I have my tourist visa, but my contract will expire on the 29th. Meaning by the time I step in T1 immigration section I'm officially bum again..

is buying a business visa ok with you?

The issue about corrupt NAIA people is because they were given the opportunity by these people who wants to travel in other countries and risk being exploited. Too many headaches already caused by these people and you still want to blame the corrupts NAia people? Grow up!

If you are L E G I T traveller, there is no way you can be offloaded! File a case and checked who will be in trouble in the end!

The issue in this discussion Flor is not exiting from another country but exiting from our own country and how some bloodsucking immigration officials are taking advantage of our citizens going out of the country. Hence, there is no point rubbing the exit permit thing when going out of Qatar. Moreover, when we exit Qatar or any other country with valid documents, we don’t get questioned about our “intention” of visiting other countries.

Besides, what has intent have to do with you having a VALID passport, visa and ticket (fake documents are a different matter) going out of the country. Basically, you have all the LEGIT documents you need so why are some people at the immigration harassing some of our citizens exiting the country and to put it bluntly, I’m sure you also know what their “intentions” are as well. I hate to burst your bubble but you need a reality check……

again I asked, can you go out of Qatar without an exit permit?

Valid visa is "V A L I D", not bought or a visa with different intention.

Can anyone travel to US without a valid visa? If you have a tourist visa, is it proper to work or apply a work there?

The issue is intent. The intent of the visa holder. If a traveller's intent is not as what in the visa, then it should not be sanctioned even by the country where are you exiting.

And rememebr, Nomad, right of an individual is not absolute. The state also have the right to impose rules and regulations. These illegal travellers are not to be allowed to travel unless their papers are legit and the purpose of travel is LEGIT!

You are the one making silly encouragement!

Despite following "proper procedures", these effin' immigration officials at the airport continue their corrupt practices. I was almost a victim and frankly I wished I would have arranged for a business visa coming here as well so I could have had better career choices. I agree with Nomad, unless you are a criminal or have any hold departure against you, no one should curtail your constitutional right to travel as long as you satisfy the requirements of having a valid visa and a passport. Let it be the decision of the immigration of the country of destination to let you in or not.

I am encouraging people to stand up for their right. Do you know what 'right' I am talking about here?

I bet you don't so please stop making silly comments.

people not to follow procedures. And this gives reason to bad people to be corrupt!

When will people like you learn to give proper advice?

1. You encourage buying business visa!

2. You encourage people to go there without any clear hope of finding a job (possibility of being exploited is high)

3. You encourage people to travel indirectly by jumping-off from anothetr country!

Are you?

"If only all could follow proper procedures, then these things should not be happening." - its either you are joking or just plain ignorant of whats really happening around you.

of early "pasaways". With the recent numbers of abused OFW's who travelled illegally not only in Mddle East, the corrupt people or greedy people had reason or had a chance to do their bad intentions. If only all could follow proper procedures, then these things should not be happening.

BTW, is there anyone in Qatar (expats) who could leave Qatar without an E X I T P A S S ? Can you just leave Qatar with only a passport? I am asking the "GOOD" guys!

Don't question the procedure of our country if you can not also question the procedure of your host country?

We really need to do something about this. I have heard a lot of stories about our immigration officers. Can the victims pool together and file a lawsuit against the bureau of immigration & philippine government?

I obtained a visit visa from my family. But despite complete documents, the Philippine Immigration Officer tried to stopped me from travelling. At first, he checked all my documents. I made sure I carried the complete documents. When he couldn't find any fault, he scanned my old passport and my new passport. He checked every page and noted all my travels (whew! what is that for btw?). He scrutinized all my previous travels and has seen that I have been flying quite a lot..When he couldn't find any fault, he then instructed me to go to the Immigration Office in the secluded corner of the airport. I sat there with 2 other passengers. I can hear the immigration officers in loud voices saying, (probably directing at us): Do you think you can fool us? what a bunch of liars.. When it was my turn to go inside, they asked for the passport number and the birthdate of my sponsor. After some verification, they instructed me to go back to the Immigration Officer who sent me to their office. I qeued in again and its a loooong line, I tell you.. When the Immigration Officer saw me again, he really looked surprised. He gave me a long, puzzled look. I told him that the officers inside the office asked me to go back to him. With much disapproval in his face, he asked me if I know anybody "inside" (he meant the Immigration Office). I said, "No. They just instructed me to go back to you." he gave a few deep sighs said, "okay, if they allowed you to pass, its not my problem anymore. Its not my fault if there are problems. Keep the paper they gave you just in case." He was referring to the small scratch paper with a handwritten note of my sponsor's OEC (Oversease Exit Clearance) OR number the immigration officer in the office gave me. After lots of hassle and qeueing in, I travelled to Qatar. You see? Despite having valid documents, I had to go through that. At that time, I thought at how much more stress the other Filipinos had experienced with the Immigration. If it was my first time to travel, I could've cried there. Even with complete documents, I was really thinking at what part could I have done wrong. Or I was confused if the papers I brought were complete or not. Bottomline: A stressful travel experience.

If you have a valid visa and passport and no criminal records, no one can stop you from leaving the country (it is written in our constitution - right to travel - last time I check). If you allow them to stop you from traveling out of the country, its your fault.

The system/procedure was designed to protect us from human traffickers. It was done with good intent.

Whats wrong is the system is being exploited by people and officials motivated by greed. Sad but true.

don't circumvent the procedures. People with such mentality are the one giving reasons for some corrupt personnel at NAIA to pursue their bad careers!

i am also business visit visa for 1 month to qatar which is first week of march..kaso, from uae to qatar na...yan din advice ng friend ko na wag na umuwi ng pinas dahil baka mahihirapan ako from philippines to qatar....anyway, maganda sayo po kabayan punta ka ng hk or singapore from there to qatar....ang point lng doon is makalabas ka ng philippines....

NOT Filipinos. If they are, with their mentality, they will be having a long stay on isolated rooms.

Different country, different laws. The problem with some, they thought they have ABSOLUTE freedom. Grow up people.

No one is defending corrupt or bad people here, what is being defended here is the implementation of LEGAL laws. Now if you still insist you are ABSOLUTELY right with your perception, visit us, IT'S MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES.

BTW, LP, you don't happened to be the Captain of USS GUARDIAN now docked at our Tubathaha Reef? Huh!

This is how stupid immigration personnel can be. In this stupid country, everybody has its rule .... they are not helping the filipino people. Stupidity lang iyan kaya dapat pataying yan mga hayod...

I hate to say it but in our country no government official is really serious in helping people.

Stupid Stupid Stupid

you are right epi sasa, i traveled to qatar via bangkok thailand. because at first when my friend bought me a visa (business visiT VISA) I was alarmed full of questions, why business vist? why not tourist? i asked my friend why? and he said it is the usual visa they apply for filipinos who want to come here to look for a job. what i did, i went to travel agencies and asked informations regarding my issued visa. they gave me precautions and advice on what i should do. i may not be fully equipped when i went to immigration but at least i am more than half-equipped when i faced the officer. it was thailand where i was going to. and kalas, i was ready with 400 dollars for incase they asked how much do i have to tour thailand, but they didn't ask. i was thankful.. it needs a careful plan and a little common sense if you really want to come out from the country in a deceiving way..

i dont think the philippine immigration has a mistake on that. before applying for any visa, you should have known important details about it. like for instance, "BUSINESS VISIT VISA", what is it for? of course it's for business, like if you have a "BAKALA" in qatar and you want to visit it. then you should show proof that you really own a small bakala in qatar. "TOURIST VISA", if i were the immigration officer i will ask you a bank statement of account or any cash you have to really prove of your purpose to travel. "WORK VISA", can i have your employer's contact detail? your proof of employment in qatar?

LOL, aren't you proud of philippine immigration on how strict they are on sending out and receiving in people? it's a way of protecting the people. because if a person would be telling lies on where to go and he got lost. no where to be found. who will be the ones responsible? "sisisihin nanaman ng pamilya ang Immigration?" chillax, it's a way of protecting the people. and besides, before travelling outside the country try to investigate the do's and don'ts. like how tight immigration is. you are crazy, you were holding a business visit and you're going to tell them you're going to look for a job? what a shame.. now, try to delete this whole post before it gives a shameful impression on the philippines.

the airline will only ask for ur visa in qatar ,,thats it !good luck ,have a safe journey,

REAL GOOD PEOPLE WILL BE PLEASED TO SEE OTHERS WHO HAD SUCCEDDED & PROGRESSED IN THEIR LIVES.

crab mentallity filipinos and judgemental are everywhere ..

the person simply wants to get a job in qatar i guess ? be a tourist , visit visa or a legal employment, it all depends on luck . i knew many tourists who went to USA and some other countries and when they got there they landed in a good job and ended as legal. i also knew many people who got employment visas thru agency in Philippines but unfortunately were abused by employers . i left Philippines as a tourist and i found a good job here in abroad and now i have 2 professional sons.. I am paying my owwa in philippines . let us not be judgemental and perpectionist .

the truth is , the immigration officer is also asking ,money for what ? victims are paying inside the toilet of the airport without receipt and once done they can leave . i myself was a victim and asked for the " keep the chance " only for 50 pesos .. the questions is : why immigration officer are asking for money ??

?? in what way the filipinos where endangered ?

Helping people obtain either temporary or permanent residency .

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Helping people bring their family members to Australia,Sponsoring overseas employees to work in Australia .

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sana tourist visit visa nalang kinuha mo.. since kapatid mo nman pala ang kumuha sayo. may may supporting documents lang na dapat ibigay yung brother mo tulad ng letter of assurance ba yun di ko sure pero parang ganun yun, nakalagay dun na yung brother mo ang sasagotsayo pagdating dito kile yung accommodation at financial narin..

And if Phil. Immigration ask you kung anu purpose mo sa Qatar? obvoius naman diba mag tour ka, at ang magandang reason example siguro yung birthday gift sayo ng kapatid mo.. mga ganun.. at mas convincing po kung may katibayan ka na may trabaho ka sa Pinas para may reason ka na bumalik.. at wag ka magdala ng maraming bagahe..

minsan nasa pagsagot din po talaga sa immigration.. wag kabahan.. yung kapatid ng office mate ko yun ginawa nila at nakalusot naman.

Goodluck!!

im a filipino. and iam a tourist here in singapore. i want to go to qatar as a tourist visa. a friend of mine in qatar will send me a tourist visa from qatar. what would i need to do once i received the visa? do i need to go to qatar embassy here in singapore or just buy a ticket and go?

Moral of the story:

If you will make something illegal; make sure you can cover it up or defend it once caught. If not; face the consequences.

I know a lot of pinoys do that as well. but the issue is still with immigration you must have a proof that you're working in the Philippines and you're just a plain tourist.

actually a lot of Pinoys go to Singapore as tourist then they will look for a job there same as Qatar.

I am not defending bribery and fraud. I am actually accusing the Qatari authorities to have failed!

guess what, the Indians who are travelling on the BUSINESS VISAS form India, have to obtain an "Ok To board". It is checked by the airlines, who requests a business visa copy and the copy of the airticket. then the airlines authenticate the business visa, and eventually either grant or deny boarding.

Again, (if you still don't get it), it's done in order to stop illegal visas trafficking. USA citizen wouldn't get into such situation, as USA citizen isn't required to have a prior visa to qatar.

Still don't get it?

you know what one of our employees,the Filipino, told me once? If you r interviewing a Filipino, I can talk to her/him for 4-5 minutes and to identify either his presented Graduation Certificate form the University is real or not. I asked: Is it easy to buy a certificate in Filipines? He said: "Yes, ANY certificate".

So here you go.

Keep arguing and defending the bribery and fraud, on the level of those who publicly admit that their BV is "purchased" on the black market. Duh!

.. I am out of here

The visa in the passport is not fake, QS. It is stamped and approved at least by an embassy. So, how can another government doubt its legality? I would be embarrassed if I were a Qatari and the Philippine customs have doubts about my country's official documents!

When I cam here, I had a visa for Qatar. It was issued by the Qatari government. Nobody asked me if it was legal or not. The visa in the passport allowed me to enter Qatar. Whoever has a visa for Qatar, is allowed to enter Qatar. The Philppine (or any other government) has no right to doubt the official visa in your passport. What one does in Qatar then, is a totally different issue, and has nothing to do with the restrictions of some governments on their citizens trying to leave their "home" country.

LP. what to 'let them do' and what 'not to let them do' is another issue.

It's exactly like to cover any other bribery and fraud. Both bribery and fraud can be justified very easy. But this is a mentality of the certain regioun's countries. I am surprised the USA citizen defend them. But again..

If it's your level of moral standards, well, let it be.. Although bribery and fraud are still illegal, again you like it or not.

The real issue here is THAT VISA CAN BE BOUGHT. And that is clearly the responsibilty of the government. If they can't control who gets visa, they have a problem.

LP, I don't need to hear it from you. "She has a tendency to argue", and to compare me with some silly people. This is low.

I am not arguing. I explain the rules of Qatari government. Either you like them or not, they are the rules.

And at the end of the day, it's up to you LP, what moral standards to live upon.

And again, if USA governement got to know that a certain Green card is obtained illegally, it certainly shall be cancelled. There is nothing to "argue" about.

Too sad, you still don't see the point. I have never said, it is illegal to hire a person who is on business visa. It IS legal, and there is a special process for it... Anyway, I thought your intellectual level is a bit higher, than other's "funny" people on QL. Unfortunate disappointment...

And you even save the expenses for the ticket!

You don't get my point, QS. If a person comes to you on a business visa, and you are interested to hire him, you make the work visa, because YOU want to sponsor him. As soon as YOU did this, he is legally working for you and can't change the sponsor before one year with NOC. So, let them come into Qatar however they can. Nobody forces YOU to hire a person on somebody else's sponsorship.

LP, how the new sponsor could detect it? The person on the BV (a sane one)doesn't inform the new sponsor that he has bought this visa for the purpose of job search. But guess what, some idiots DO inform. I don’t hire such people. And I clear explain to them why. Well, this is both moral and leagl issue of dealing with semi-legal elements. Some companies, especially little miserable ones, are happy to have someone, who is willing to grab any job for 2-3K a months, and on top of this sponsor even doesn’t need to bring the employee to Qatar on his expense. But eventually the sponsor is having a risk of run-away employee, after money, efforts and time are invested in the RP process, just because next neighbour company offered the employee 500 riyals more. If you noticed, we have such type of the questions on QL all the time: “can I change the sponsor now, when I have done all the RP process, but the RP stamp isn’t placed into my passport?”. Trust me, 95% of those who does it are the ones who came to Qatar on illegal BV.

Legally obtained business visa is the visa:

- issued by some Company to the individual who is intending to work for this company for the certain period of time. It can be anything between 1-2 days to 3 months, depends on the assignment. (And such employee might get another job offer, while working in Qatar on the business visa. Nothing wrong with that!)

- COMPANY is the one who pays a Government Fee for the BV to the Government

- COMPANY is the one who pays for the airticket.

- The employee does not bear any expenses related to this visa, as he is the employee/consultant of the COMAPNY.

Illegally obtained business visa is the one that:

- has been purchased by the individual on the "gray market".

- the individual pays to another individual (usually PRO of some company) certain fee for issuing a business visa for him

- The individual obtains this visa for the purpose of looking for the job, not for the purpose of working for the company

- The individual buys the airticket himself;

- The individual has nothing to do with this company, and sometimes the Sponsor even doesn't know about this individual, until it's too late.

have you tried looking for a job abroad thru agencies in the Philippines??? Mostof these blood sucking agencies get payments from the employer and asks more payment from the applicants. As a result the employer gives a meager salary to the applicant. I tried this back at home 2 years ago, the best offer i got was 4500 AED inclusive of all. I Applied in the UAE got a minimum offer of 8000 AED, then i got my job here from UAE which is way more that that. Pardon my french, the reason we go abroad is money, why settle for a meager one when you know that you can have a a better offer by going here on a visit or business visa?

Jason very true words. The POEA, Immigration and POLO are devices to milk OFWs of money and keep them under control. It is nothing to do with protecting Filipinos, it is to do with protecting their income streams...

It's all about money!!! Truthfully, the F@king government of the Philippines is "inutil" (worthless) when dealing with Expat's problems abroad, to hide their incompetence, what do they do??? prevent people from going abroad simple as that. But hunger drives people out of the country. Bill of Rights, Philippine constitution, you are only barred from getting out of the country if you are a convicted criminal or there's a hold departure order.

WHO IS VIOLATING THE LAW NOW???

Those procedures and requirements ask from the OP are not even laws, you can't find them posted in any government offices especially BI. If you are rich, politician or famous no problem going out. If you are an ordinary Juan this happens to you.

She has a tendency to argue like flor, hasn't she?

Shame on them looking for better opportunities QS, they should be bound for life to the first sponsor they find.... I'm really surprised at your attitude.

let market forces prevail. Do you think NOC is helping businesses or the companies here?

QS, are the sponsors too stupid to detect illegally acquired visa?

exactly stealth. first they buy visa, then they grab literally first available job, then the sponsor is either investing in renewing of their visas, or start the work visa process, mobilizing the funds and resources, investing time and efforts, while those on illegal BV keep looking for better opportunity and jumping from one company/sponsor to another.

So no surprise....

If a "sponsor" hires a person who is here on a business visa, the sponsor should go to jail for illegally hiring. Does this ever happen? No.

why do you think the sponsors are not interested in removing the NOC? It is because there are many like these who come on business visa and try to get hold of any job for the lowest salary offered. Then they blame the sponsorship system for their predicament....

can't cleanse it overnight but the present govt. is doing something about it. So many years of bad governance. It is a long and arduous struggle I tell you, and you're right it will be up to us how to correct it. We kicked out an american lap dog who screwed us for a long time and whatever issues we are exepriencing now should be addressed by all stake holders- we the filipino people. Until we learn the lesson we will suffer the vicious cycle of history repeating ad nauseam...

Filipino prisoners of your own government and corruption. You should be ashamed that you allow this to happen. The govt should be for the people, not the people paying bribes to the govt for their human rights!

whew! all caps?!

SAME THING HAPPENED TO MY FRIEND,2 TIMES SHE WAS DENIED IN THE AIRPORT BUT ON THE 3RD TIME SHE PAY TO THE CONTACT PERSON WHO ESCORTED HER TO THE IMMIGRATION OFFICER...SHE PAID 35THOUSAND PESOS...THATS IT...AND SOME DOING IT,SOME OF THEM GIVE 20K,15K,38K,40K....IF THE GOVERNMENT REALLY WANT TO PROTECT FILIPINO WHO ARE COMING HERE TO FIND JOB RATHER GO TO THE AGENCY ...THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO THEIR JOB FIRST...QATAR ESTABLISMENT OR COMPANYS HIRED FILIPINO THROUGH THE AGENCY/RECRUITMENT AND THEY PAY EACH ONE OF THEM BUT THE POAE IGNORE THE STYLE AND PROCEDURES OF THIS RECRUITMENT AGENCY THEY ASK MORE MONEY FOR THE APPLICATION EVEN THE FACT THAT ITS ALREADY PAID BY THE SPONSOR ,DOUBLE CHARGE- IF YOU ARE NOT LUCKY ENOUGH THEY WILL ASK FOR PLACEMENT FEE AND PAYABLE IN QATAR...WHAT ELSE ...THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD MANHUNT THOSE IMMIGRATIONS OFFICER WHO TAKE MONEY FROM THE FILIPINO WHO TRAVELLED TO QATAR...

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE THANKFUL FIRST BECAUSE THOSE FILIPINO LOOKING FOR A JOB ABROAD LIKE QATAR FIND THEIR MEANS TO GO BY THEIR INITIATIVE AND NOT BURDEN THE GOVERNMENT...

WORKING IN QATAR IF YOU ARE A VISIT VISA HOLDER YOU WILL BE TRANSFER TO WORK VISA AND THE FILIPINO REQUIRED AND KNOW THAT THEY GO TO THE EMBASSY/POLO-OWWA TO REGISTER AS OFW SO WHY THE PHIL. GOVERNMENT WORRIED?

THE PHIL. GOVERNMENT SHOULD STRENGTHEN THE CAMPAIGN THAT IF THEY GO TO QATAR AS VISIT/TOURIST/BUSSINESS VISA AND THEY CAN FIND JOB THEY WERE TRANSFER TO WORKING VISA BY THE GOVERNMENT OF QATAR AND THATS NOT ILLEGAL...

FOR RUN AWAY ISSUE AND OTHERS...THATS HAPPENED ALL AROUND THE WORLD-EVERY WHERE HAVE FILIPINOS AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THEY DO THIS AND DO THAT...

GO BACK TO QATAR ISSUE...

WHAT EVER HAPPENED HERE WITH OFW ALL THE FILIPINO COMMUNITY IS HELPING ONE ANOTHER...THE RECENT ACCIDENT OF 3 FILIPINA DIED IN THE FIRE BLAST...THEY CAME HER VISIT-THEY GOT JOB AND EMPLOYED,THEY GOT MARRIED IN THE PHILIPPINE EMBASSY IN QATAR ,THEY WHERE REQUIRED OF DOCUMENTS AND LEGALITY IN QATAR BEFORE THEY APPROVED TO GET MARRIED....OBVIOUSLY THE PHIL.EMBASSY IN QATAR KNOWS THAT THEY CAME AS VISIT VISA AND LATER GET THE JOB,SO WHATS THE EMBASSY DONE?IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE PHIL. GOVERNMEnt TAKE SOME ACTIONS TO EMPOSE THE EMBASSIES AROUND THE WORLD WITH FILIPINO THAT THEY NEED TO REGISTER AS OFW? YOU CAN MAKE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS BEFORE GETTING MARRIED IN THE EMBASSY THAT THEY NEED TO REGISTER AS OFW...AND A STRONG CAMPAIGN THAT THEY NEED TO REGISTER BEING OFW ...MOSTLY FILIPINO WORKING ABROAD THAT GOT THEIR WORKING EMPLOYMENT WHO COME HERE AS TOURIST OR VISIT DONT REALIZE AND DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING A REGISTERED OFW...SO WHO THE HELL ARE GETTING FILIPINO IN TROUBLE?WHO PUSH THEM TO DO ILLEGALITY? WHY THEY CHOOSE TO RISK THEIR LIFE ABROAD?THE 3 FILIPINA DIED HERE THEY ARE HEROES...WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DONE?ACTUALLY THEY CAN RUN FOR THEIR LIVES TO BE SAFE BUT THEY CHOOSE TO BE WITH LITTLE CHILDREN...WHAT THEY GET FROM THE GOVERNMENT?THE PUBLICITY THAT THEY ARE NOT REGISTERED OFW? 85% OF RUN AWAYS FILIPINO ARE COME HERE BY AGENCY WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DONE?THIS IS THE GENERATION OF FILIPINOS THAT FIGHTING AGAINTS POVERTY OF THE THE FUTURE ...SURVIVAL OF THE FETIST AS WE KNOWN!

FILIPINO SHOULD GO HAND IN HAND ...THE PRESIDENT SHOULD DO SOMETHING !

And if the exploitation happens in Qatar, then it is the Qatari government that should block it. Only they can!

stealth, these people are adults (?). It is their own risk like anywhere else in the world. And, be honest, what can the Philippine government do in a foreign country? Really? NOTHING.

if they get exploited, who takes the blame?

Qatar immigration officers at the airport makes more sense, as long as your documents are proper you're in.

was the person coming for business purpose?

If not he was caught trying to circumvent the law. If he was caught in Qatar, the scenario would have been entirely different.

Moza Can u show me a law prohibiting a Filipino with genuine visa to come to a certain country bcoz the reason is not believable?

You're talking about the airport tax queue yurizacky not the immigration queue. There is no separate queue for OFWs at the immigration counter.

No, they will not ask anything. There is an exclusive que just for Overseas Filipino Workers in the Immigration since legal OFW's were exempted to pay Travel Tax.

A person holding a valid passport and a valid visa should be allowed to pass through any airport without any problems. Sah?

LP you just hit the bulls eye with that statement!

So yurizacky when a Filipino wants to go on holiday does he have to show the immigration officer what he is going to do on his holiday. Day one, swimming, day two drinking, day three maybe meet a nice lady.....

Its a joke!

The ISSUE here is that the immigration should not be allowed to stop someone from leaving if he has a visa (from the Qatari government) in his passport. It's the Qatari government that should hold the seller of the visa responsible, deny entry and have the "issuer of the visa" pay the return ticket and then go to jail.

I really feel sorry for some of the people here who are trying to imply that going here in Qatar thru Business visa is an illegal act. Please don't be such hypocrites be real. Ok this man will work here in Qatar eventually. And so? Can u give this man a job there in the Philippines if he stays there? We all know hard life is in the Phils right now. Unemployment is so high and prices are also continually rising do not act as if u are a perfect citizen. I don't see anything wrong going any country u like as long u are not a drug mule. And last time i checked Immigration's job is to check if all the papers required are genuine in going out of the country. As to what we are going to do in other country once we land there is out of their duties. The sad truth is that they are not really concern of our welfare and we Filipinos know very well what are this immigration people want from all the people leaving NAIA. Period. I dont want to put Phils in bad light here bcoz all of u did already by posting irresponsible remarks here what i want u to understand is let just help one another not pull down one another.

The ISSUE here is that he was not allowed to leave because he cannot produce the business documents/business iteniraries which the immigration people is asking from him. That's it! if he has documents to show them, then for sure he is already here in Qatar. Don't complicate things. And by way he obtained his business visa is already illegal.

So, he has a visa, real or fake, it doesn't matter. In ALL cases there must be a sponsor! And this sponsor must pay the ticket back home if Qatar should refuse entry. And BOTH should go to jail for visa fraud (the seller and the buyer). There is absolutely nothing the Philippine government is supposed to do.

Philippines & Business visa switching to Canada > Marriage > Citizenship …lol

Please step away from the crack pipe & Give your head a shake.... kool-aid drinking nut bar lol

its another way to make money! they hold passengers even if they have legal visas whether its business or tourist going to Qatar! later on someone will approach you (a fixer) and demand huge sums of money just to get through on the next try! it happened to my friend whos visa got cancelled here when she resigned but was able to get an NOC. She exited Qatar and went back to Phils for a well deserved vacation. When she tried to come back with a business visa. Airport officers held her and questioned her travel itinerary until she was not able to get in the plane coz they wont allow her!

QS the immigration offical did not stop him boarding because he identified a fake visa, he stopped him because he didn't believe the reason he was going to Qatar! Those are two totally different things.

If he had stopped him because he had a fake visa then I would totally support that action.

You see, QS, Qatar has the sponsorship system. OK. Then the visas are issued by the GOVERNMENT. If they can't control to whom they issue visas it's the governments failure. Otherwise, the sponsor, be it a hotel or a company, is responsible for the sponsored person, even for the repatriation. So, there is no reason to stop people from going to Qatar IF THE GOVERNMENT IS TRUSTWORTHY! But then again, if that is not the case, the Philippine Government should put Qatar on a 'black list'. What they do is to make it more complicated and more expensive for the people who only exercise their right to move on this planet to where ever they want. The Philippine government is (mis)using the failure of the Qatari government to control the visa circus!

or let's say, marriage to canadian citizen. It is a CRIME in canada to marry canadian citizen for the only purpose to get the immigrant status. Now. you can say. Marriage is legal? yes. Visa is legal? yes. And still, once it's proved that the reason was to gain entry into Canada only, visa will be revoked. Even a CITIZENSHIP itself can be cancelled as per recent law, if it's proved that it was obtained in illegal way.

there is nothing to argue about.

moza. again, you cannot leave your country on illegally purchased visa, once it's identified. Visa isn't fake. the way of obtaining this visa is illegal.

Ok, it's like Green card in USA, LP.

Do you thing the US Government doesn't care HOW the green card is obtained? do you think once obtained (issued by the Government!) , it's irrevocable?

Again the point is not to defend those that sell fake visas, the point is you should be allowed to leave your country if you so wish. The immigration officer did not stop him for having a fake visa, he stopped him because he wanted to see his business itinery. Its none of his business. Arrest if he has a fake visa otherwise leave him alone to do what he wants.

If you are a Filipino and want to visit Qatar even if you have a tourist visa Philipinnes immigration can stop you if they wish.

right! VALID visa. and AGAIN for 5 times! Filipins and Qatari Government are working together to stop illegal business. i don't understand why you defend the criminals? He even admitted that he BOUGHT a visa. Business visa cannot be purchased. This is a mafia who sells the visas. and you still defend him.

ok, I am out. I think I made my point clear enough. if you still want to defend them, it's up to you.

Some people defend even narco-dealers and human trafficking..

well, everyone has his own moral levels..

I came across this issue. But other than showing the valid visa in my passport there were NO MORE requirements, QS!

LP, it's because you are american. but guess what, you still need the visa to some countries. and - surprize! -you wont' be allowed to board without the proper visa to this country. You simply have never come across this issue. When I leave QATAR going to DUBAI, they ask me whether I have rights to obtain a visa upon arrival there. As canadians have to have a prior visa to Dubai, unless you are a Senior position holder in GCC, which allows you to get a visa upon arrival. As i am under my husband's sponsorship, and last time was travelling to Dubai alone, they almost denied my boarding, or at least the officer went to see a manager to confirm my boarding! i am surprized you are not familiar with these rules. Airlines are responsible for the passengers visas. WHY? because if the person has no visa, and denies entry to the country, the Governement of this country bears a cost of sending the person back, right? And then the Government charges the AIRLINES. Which is why to avoid this situation, the airlines always make sure the passenger will be allowed to the country.

As I said, these are joint efforts between Qatar and Filipins government to stop this mafia. that's why Filipins authorities try to identify such "mafia product" users at their departure..

It all makes a perfect sense!

and it comes directly from you. unscrupulous employers as well..

that is another reason why govt avoid it. to prevent citizens from taking a gamble and later landing jobs to these unscrupulous employers.. not all gets lucky getting fair employers you know.

the ofw simply have less protection against them if they are un documented.

the government are obliged of course to extend help if maltreatment cases occur but they can't afford handling too much of these cases. so the best means to avoid is prevent.

prevention is better than cure, wasn't it?

im done here. good day to all. cheers!

They will be "blacklisted". So what? They still can hire people illegally, they just can't bring them in from outside. As long as the sponsors are not deported (into jail) nothing will change!

Phoenix, in all cases the employer (sponsor) is responsible. He is to blame if he hires illegally. I think it's easy to find out who the sponsor is. And? What happens to them??

LP, villagio was only only a case at hand since it was a hot issue.

if you try to open up, you may get to think that some people may died or dilapidated or mishapped elsewhere and some employers turn away from responsibilties..

imagined if one non-documented got sideswiped crossing the streets... and being runned away by the hitter.. or the vehicle they rode got into fatal accident... just an example of many possibilities.

if you think that those do not happen... nothing more i can say.

not exactly... if they are well documented, they will be covered by the government insurance coverage if they die by accident or whatever.

now that they died without proper docs, they became a cause of problem. first on how to repatriate back the cadavers, next is how to give insurance coverage to the next of kins. lucky maybe these filipinas the qatar govt or villgio may had given support.. and all others kind hearted.

but what if these accidents happens on less known instances to others who had taken a gamble to go outside (not only qatar) and take work thru non documented ways?

the government has a policy to cover only those documented ofws, simply because they paid insurance premiums prior to leaving out of country for work.

imagined if so many would try going out of country and took dangerous jobs abroad. who else will be burdened heavily on their mishaps?

the government and the families of course.

anything else you may like to know?

It's funny that you think the liability of the owners and operators of villagio only applies to documented people!

You must be a documented dead if you want to profit!

So are you saying Phoenix the fire would not have killed them if they had proper visas? That is some stretch of the immagination.......

particularly in going to qatar...

the immigration is warry especially after the death of 3 filipina teachers who entered doha by visit or other visa....

He probably will. I think he is too busy counting the 'immigration fees' he receives from the OFW he recruits for Qatar....

Hopefully flor will read that, too.

I think the post should stay for a number of reasons, lest of all the way that Philippines immigration, the POEA deny the basic human right to travel for Filipino. The fact that these organisations are also corrupt should be highlighted to all as well!

you cannot delete the post unless you are one of the admins..

not intentionally done!... so how can i delete my post?

Yes MIMH...that's just the way it is...corruption to the core. But of course, don't tell me that this does not happen in other countries as well.

LP, we are from a third world country. We need to "convince" our own immigration when we go out as well as some other countries for us to to go in, even when we have documents and money. Lucky you, you don't have to experience the same:)

I've made my point so I shall leave you all alone now. Only the Filipinos can free themselves from this slavery to their government and their institutions. The right to freedom of movement is a human right and one of the UN Declarations on basic human rights.

More power to you!

this does not happen to filipinos alone. even other nationalities come her on tourist visas / business visas for the purpose of finding jobs. if one cannot find a decent job to feed hungry mouths back home, doesn't he have the right to find greener pasture elsewhere? the problem is that the government is very corrupt - bigger than 'Lolong" - and everyone is aware of it. it's a shame but is the sad truth.

@WaynePh - simple solution to your problem....get a family visit visa from your brother! you can even stay in qatar up to 6 mos...end of story!

Yes Moza,

Moneytalks, I think it is in General, if you have money, everything is easy. Everything will be easy. What to do? Do you think if Wayne has a lot of money and he's a real business man, he will still experience the same? No freaking way!

mozaismyhero look i know your point, im just saying just simply do.what.is.right.

If you are doing the right thing you don't need to bribe anyone..plain and simple.So do it in a right way. That's the key.

Chamelon says....'but then again you know how it is back home...money talks:)'

Shcocking. So Filipinos just accept the corruption in their country? this is the truth, nothing about protecting OFWs its about bribery and getting your cut....

Poor prisoners Filipinos.

You still don't get the point Shorty, they should be able to leave their country if they want. The reason is no business of the immigration offical be it tourism, looking for work or even meeting a girlfriend for a diry week in Greece.

It seems that you want to be treated like children.

I don't have to "convince" an immigration officer. If I have a passport, I can leave the country. Isn't it so? Anything else is 'imprisonment of citizens'.

I agree with Scorpion..why didn't your brother just provide you with a family visit visa or a hotel/tourist visa instead? It's easier to come here with those visas. Better yet, if you want to work here then apply legally through an agency to secure a working visa.

The Phil. immigration is quite strict nowadays with people holding business visit visas as they are aware of the MOs of some people with business visit visas who are coming here to work. If you don't have supporting documents to present or if you cannot confidently convince them that you are coming here for business purposes then you will certainly be offloaded.....but then again you know how it is back home...money talks:)

Hu wan thank you for talking sense. I think your fellow pinoys need to change their mindset and stop thinking like prisoners who want some higher authority to grant them their freedom. Was the revolution in 86 for nothing?

How many other countries have such abusive laws towards their people? Off the top of my head, North Korea er that's it. There is probably more but do you want to be in that company of great nations?

The corruption keeps the system in place and the ordinary OFW suffers. Even the Filipino embassies are there only to help the embassy staff not the OFW!

mozaismyhero lol i don't work for them, as immigration officers its their job eh? whether they will take that opportunity to extort for money its also up to you. because they are aware of what ways Filipinos do to look for job abroad. so if you get a business visa and your real purpose here is not for business then chances are you'll get questioned. if not, good for you. expect that. "because they know"

Dr. Sam your concern is valid but you don't get the whole picture and mozaismyhero is right. Immigration officials in the Phils. are corrupt to the core, hence their 'concern' that they are simply following guidelines to curb human trafficking is pure BS! It's just very unfortunate for the OP to be in their crosshairs. Who are they to decide on who leaves the country? Individuals back home have the right to seek better employment opportunities and Qatar has that. Are you aware that even if your were recruited thru an agency in the Phils. one can still become a victim of human trafficking? Is this ironic? The OP has better chances of getting a good paying job than some who come here with valid working visas. That's luck, that's fate, that's life. But that immigration a**hole played god and was in a power-trip mode.

Visit visa = Job searching?

If an officer would ask me why I was leaving my country, I would tell him it wasn't his business. Unlike, when entering a country and I'd be asked for the purpose of entry.

I think only Qatar has the right to deny entry if the visa is not legal, but the Philippines have no right to stop a citizen from leaving the country if he has a passport! (Unless they are a police state).

I have to agree with QS here. If you want to look for a job, then better just apply for a Visit Visa and come here to look for one. Business Visa are there for a reason, if Qatar feels that the Visa procedures are being abused, they may just make it harder for those who really needs to come in for Business reasons.

To Mozaismyhero: It is a moot point to continue insisting the right of a citizen outside the country. They will allow you to travel outside but you just have to use a proper visa to go to that country.

He clearly stated that he is not a businessman and he has other purpose of going here. Bad Boy!

I don't need any other document but my passport to go where ever I like!

Shorty said '...suspicious of your real purpose of your travel, make sure that you can prove to them when they invite you for interrogation that your purpose of your travel'

Really? It is none of their business! Well unless you live in a police state.

Can I assume you work for the POEA or Immigration and you need to keep your income stream from OFW?

Filipinos have all their right to travel like any other people in the world. really, some can get offloaded if the immigration officers were suspicious of your real purpose of your travel, make sure that you can prove to them when they invite you for interrogation that your purpose of your travel with your visa is real. if its real it will be easy for you to produce those documents they're requiring. no need to bribe and there's nothing to ask for bribe.

mga kbayan not only immigration or poea is problem cause my friend also when she go to medical in manila the doctor said she sick and she pay 15k for approval of the doctor. when she come here in qatar for medical she's fit. hahaha what a nice strategy.

tsk tsk WaynePH, you are funny guy. Funny!

Well, you said your brother is here and bought you a business visa, why not a family visit visa? This will cost you -less - 200 Qrs only per month (stay duration can be 6 months). It's way easier than a business visa.

QS it is not a nationality thing and seperate out the right to leave your country with the fact he bought an illegal visa. (Who cares why someone wants to come to Qatar, that is not the point)

You have the right to leave Canada, Filipinos do not have the right to leave their country. As LP said its like the old days of the Soviet Union, you need to apply for permission first and maybe, just maybe they will let you leave.

The third thing is Filipinos can leave if they pay the right amount of bribes to the right people. Do you have to bribe Canadian immigration to leave the country each time?

It's about the right to LEAVE one's own country no matter where to, QS.

Dude, just try to help him out to find a living, I know you guys are very good in helping each other within your community, let him in…

This is the same reason why companies now in Qatar can not employ somebody thru direct hire. There must be a job order sent thru the embassy and received by the agencies in the Philippines. Most of the abused OFWs are the house maids. They come here not knowing the culture and type of people they are going to deal with. You can buy business visas in some of the travel agencies here for a fee plus the price of a return ticket.Family visas are easier to avail but limited to first degree family members. Good Luck.

yes, it IS responsibility of Qatar Government. that's why Qatar government is doing its best to fight it. But the cancer has already metastasized. Like a mafia, which quite difficult to stop. It doesn't mean it's legal!

LP. 1. not right.

2. Even "Work visa" can be purchased.

3. He ADMITS (and sounds proud of it!) that his brought "bought him a visa". WHile it's illegal. How you can defend them?

moza, don't try to swing the subject to "nationality" issue. Canadians EXTREMELY rarely would come to Qatar (or anywhere else) to LOOK for a job. Even if they want to get a job, they would do it from their country. And if they want to go to any country for a visit, they legally obtain a tourist visa. If they want to go to study, they legally obtain a Student visa. And so on.

WHY Filipinos cannot do the same?? why they have to violate a law?

The Philippine customs do the SAME with "legal" work visa holders!

moza! he is not supposed to buy a ticket!! The company who issued a visa for him (a real company) is buying a ticket!

And YES, if i bought a visa illegally, I am not allowed to travel. Moreover, I can get imprisoned over it. Which is why i do NOT do it. Clear?

If someone got something in ILLEGAL way, it doesn't give him legal rights to use it legally!

info. what passport has to do with that? He simply has to obtain an appropriate visa type!

You cannot cheat a country, and to buy let's say 'Medical visa' to Germany and then come and to work there. Or to buy a "Student visa" and come and to do business. There are different types of visa, each for the certain purpose. And violating this rule is punishable. Like anywhere in the world. Simple.

So Qatarisun, you would like the Canadian govt to restrict your freedom to travel? Would you be happy if you had bought your ticket and a man at immigration said you could not travel because you don't have permission? I could not imagine any Canadian standing for that, but are you saying Filipinos are not mature enough to have the same freedoms as Canadians? This is one principle.

The second is if he did buy an illegal visa, this is the responsiblity of the Qatar govt. If he gets caught he will face the consequences.

drsam , you miss the point! It not about "transforming" business visa into a work visa! It is about BUYING business visas, which shouldn't have been sold! They are SOLD illegally! Some "smart ass" PRO of the compnay is selling the visas on behalf of the company, and sponsor often even doesn't know about it!Then such "BUYER" comes to Qatar, violates some law here, and the sponsor even has no clue about his existance! This is a whole different concept!

Business visas are issued by the COMPANY ONLY for the COMPANY's short-term employees, consultants, partners, and such, who has to come to QATAR for JOB, not for LOOKING FOR A JOB(see the difference?)

Dude, so next time get an American passport, so you'll be good to go!!!

“shameful situation” to be offloaded?? And when you were violating the law by buying a visa illegally, haven't you been ashamed?? YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN!

Your brother "bought" you a business visa, while business visas in Qatar are NOT for sale, and therefore buying and selling these visas is illegal.

LP, your suggestion is wrong! Philippines government is cooperating with the Qatar government in order to stop this illegal "Business visa trafficking"!

And this idiot comes up on the public forum and complains about being caught while violating the law..

DUH!!!

there not their.

agree with shorty shorty.

steps must be taken to discourage human trafficking.

a visitor that transform his visit visa into a work visa doesn't know what happens next. everytime we want to hire a philippino/a the embassy gives us huge paper works, and even question the salary, make sure their is food allowances, ... etc

their is proper chanels made for each situation.

want to visit, visit visa

ur an entrepreneur, business visa

want to work, work cisa. simple.

Philippine Government is doing the right way for its countrymen, its just u who is doing in a back door way. Of course you will not be allowed, its part of human trafficking problem in the whole world. If you come for a business visa then show some proof/documents that you have a business deals from the receiving company that includes everything acomodation & transpo or hotel reservation arranged by the receving company. This is how I did during my first entry to Doha, then its my receving company who work-on for my RP and then I went to POLO for the OWWA registration. If you come for a tourist visa, contact any hotel in Doha to assist you. Use the real purpose when you reach Doha but at philippine imigration show proof/purpose according to your visa. Amen...

I have a friend, he provide also a business visa and a plane ticket to his brother. but in immigration they ask too many documents. it is a part of thier strategy. Until it reach they will ask you to pay such amount about 25,000 pesos.

Sorry guyz specially MR. BALUT but it is true.

WHO WILL STOP THE IMMIGRATION for thier corrupt?

Head of Immigration NO

Pinoy MAYBE

xxx MAYBE

T3 MAYBE

Take a trip to Bankog as a tourist, board Qatar Airways from there. QA only wants to see your visa! Or: are Filipinos not allowed to go to Thailand for a holiday, too? Then the Philippines truly are a prison like the Sowjet Block used to be!

mozaismyhero what i am telling is that if you want to look for a job here or anywhere in the world better go to an agency and secure a work visa from there. it will save him all the hassle and there's no more need for permission and bribes.

Yes Shorty the protection of the people by the government, that's an old line and I believe Assad uses it in Syria now.

So basically you are telling me the Philipinnes is a prison for its people and they can only leave after getting 'permission'or paying bribes to corrupt officals. Disgusting.

i know its a big hassle that they offload you but they're right about "theyre just protecting Filipinos to be illegal"

although youve been here before, you still dont know what will happen next. you may have your plans here already...but hey if anything goes wrong with you here its still the philippine embassy you'll go running to.

yes you can go to sg to avoid being offloaded again to qatar, but be also aware that many "for tourist only" going to sg are being offloaded too in naia.

so better be careful and good luck

Why should a Filipino have to tell immigration where he is going and ask permission like asking his father permission for an ice cream? If you have a visa to visit the country you are going you should not be stopped.

Do Filipinos like being treated like children?

Thanks buddy for the translation.

Now are you going to continue translating each and every comment of yours if you going to continue using Tagalog ?

TRANSLATED TO ENGLISH AS PER REQUEST OF USER: Rizks

TAGALOG: Pinapahamak mupa mga pinoy sa mga binulatlat mo dito!

ENGLISH: Your post creates more risk for Filipinos planning to go to Qatar!

WaynePh, you said you're on a Business Visit Visa. Then why you weren't able to show them your business document and your business itinerary? Filipinos leaving the country on a tourist visa were not being denied to travel as long as they have proof that they will go on tour only and not to look for a job. And why do you need to change route if your sole purpose to travel to Qatar is for Business only? are you trying to avoid something?

The POEA strikes again, denying Filipinos their right to travel. A disgraceful situation of the corrupt POEA and government officals. It is time the Filipino demanding change in their government and for the POEA to be abolished.

However Flor will be on soon to defend their great work.

Kumastaka my kabayan priends !

As per the rules of this site, ENGLISH ONLY plz - when you are on the mains !

thank you.

Pinapahamak mupa mga pinoy sa mga binulatlat mo dito!