Compulsory military service for teenagers

Good night Jauntie.

bit fed up, as it happens - need to sleep and wake up 'un-fed up', if you see what I mean

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Twas on the good ship, Venus

By Gad you should have seen us

the figurehead

was a nude in bed

and the something or other

was the captain's (rhymes with venus) 

 Forward march, rear march, Squad Halt! jauntie please: No funny marches like robots, dress in red with big black cone heads in front of Buckingham palace!LOL, LMAO.I was replying to your post on your mothers remark about you joining the navy. If you had join the navy you will probably will be the English mermaid of your ship. J/K

when I read your last post here, I kept hearing a "Sergeant Major, SIR" and boots stomping, at the end of every paragraph

I think I watch too many films.....

(was going to say 'movies' but that isn't really what I call 'films' - hee!)

 Could I be your "Red_ Boy", inside My Confession Booth? 

  During WW2 The Canadian Army only used volunteer Convicts to serve in special mountaineering units to fight in the European theater.  In todays Modern Army,  sometimes a misdemeanor, such as a traffic ticket will disqualified you from entering the armed forces.  if you are convicted under the three strike rules you will do some hard times in the jail of blues.The concept of serve time or served your country comes all the way from WW1 and WW2, when people  join up to get away from their past and crimes committed. Thinking they will be forgotten.Such concept and phrase is normally used when people want to get away from their bad friends and crime ridden neighborhoods. Better yet, their dead beat jobs and life styles.

She said 'no - you just want to be with the boys'

Pfft!

The whole it is either jail or the Military is one of the biggest urban legens out there. Waivers are a possiblity for some cases, but they are hard to get, and are on a case to case basis.

Any one with three strikes can forget about military service in the US. Maybe the French Forigen Leigon will take him. 

I don't like the idea of military service but community service is a great idea. It would be good for the young people to spend a week as candy stripers, to see the effects of smoking, diabetes, bad driving etc. It would also be good for them to do some of the tasks that lowly paid immigrant workers have to do such as picking up garbage in the summer hear, clearing garbage from the desert and beaches.

With privelege comes responsibility. Its a good idea.

In a great romance each person basically plays a part that the other person really likes.  Source unknown

Just a question on all you have written. Where do the 3 strikers fit into the entry process for the US armed forces you listed above? you know the ones that are given the option serve time or serve your country?

@ Green Cad Holders joining the US Armed Forces.  Any person that it is not American Citizen serving in the US armed forces is not force to become a Citizen. It is a volunteer force. The requirements for joining the US military are:High School Diploma or GED Must 18 years old. You could join at 17 with your parents permission.Must have a valid birth certificate.Proof of citizenship such as Passport or Green Card.Be able to pass the Armed Forces entry test.Decent Background and criminal check. Be able to pass The physical test.    Registering for your electoral process.   As for registering  for your voting rights, all that is required, is proof of citizenship, Green Card Holders are not allowed to vote.   When service man or woman applied for US Citizenship the process is expedited, due to the fact that they are serving in the Armed Forces. In other words they are giving priorities.  All the paper work for applying and study guides materials is free at their request.  I have friends that got their citizenship in weeks of requesting for it.  All they need is your Certificate of US citizenship from the IDNS( Immigration Department Naturalization services), a permanent address in any of the 50 States, for example your current rent receipt, utility bills or a valid license.    Once you are register for voting, you are in the electoral system.  Do you know that the alien green card is not really green? It is a pink or blue credit card size ID. For a long time, it used to be issue in a dark green color, not any more.

 I am a little confused on what is required. The students either do community service, or military training. Is the military training just a course in discipline and physical fitness? If it is only for a month, its not like they can actually serve, can 

they?

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must be an exception to the case. I know people who have been in the Qatari armed forces for 10+ years and still not even privates...

As for the American Forces, it hasn't started after 9/11, but the US Military does take permanent residents, green card holders, who are basically US citizens who just can't vote yet... 

I was shocked when i heard that myself. In the arabic dailies its tuned down with "prohibition on long hair & unnatural behavior"http://www.raya.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=329159&version=1&template_id=18&parent_id=17

The regulation is  strictly for Qataris on government /independent schools. And it includes the national dress as a dress code. A friend of mine who teaches in an independent school says they've received a circulation already with  the regulation which includes prohibition on long hair & makeup on boys secondary schools!!!

"I find it very odd that countries offer citizenship to foreigners in

exchange for military service (the US does this as well as Qatar)."

The US doesn't, and Qatar has stopped doing that along time ago. 

Ngourly said: They want fit, enthusiastic volunteers who are eager to get killed for their country. That is the beauty of serving for others while in the military.  That way we could keep protecting the constitutional rights for those AS@8OLES that we enjoy the most.  Always Expressing  their intellectualism and Freedom of Speech, free of charge without worries or concern.

just a note to another fantastically misleading title.

It's NOT compulsory if you have an OPTION.

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Private schools are exempt.  

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Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Doesn't the article say "for one month" ? I don't see how one month of discipline can hurt any of these kids.  

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Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

17 years in the Military in the UK.  Thoroughly enjoyed most of my time and experienced far more, ( good and bad) than I ever would have done without it.  I dont agree with National Service though.  You have to want to be in the Military to put to  with the Training and the lifestyle.  An undisciplined child wont be cured in the Military, they wont last that long, Military Prisions are full of undisciplined people.

It served me well. Admittedly I was a child ( well 17 actually) when I joined, but having re-joined the "normal world", last year, I can see for myself that my self discipline and work ethic, far exceeds that of my colleagues who have no Military background.  I guess what I mean is that it does install the basics into a person, but they have to want it or its a waste of everyones time.

Ngourlay - "enthusiastic volunteers who are eager to get killed for their country."

I dont know one person that was eager to get killed.  Thats disrespectful.

You can laugh at me all you like because I have Alzheimers, .......but at least I dont have Alzheimers

Don't you like to be free at the price of others. My daughter volunteer for the Navy at the age of 18. She is a veteran of the Iraq war. She served 3 years.I  did volunteer for the Army, did not bother me a bit. Did my humanitarian and combat tours.My dad was drafted into the Army and served in the Vietnam War. He served 18 months of hell, according to him and survived the TET offensive which almost got him killed.My Uncle was drafted into the Korean War 1953-55, survived being captured by the chinese, when his unit was almost wiped out and over run during the yellow river offensive.My grandfather was drafted into WW2, he served in the African campaign and  European theater in the liberation of France from 1943-1944. Never spoke about the war at all. My great grand father fought against the Americans during the Spanish American War of 1898 in Cuba then he was captured and send back to Spain. Then he relocated in Costa Rica. 

military training on children at all. I would, however, love to see a program that teaches children community awareness and makes them participate in physical activities. I think children all over the world could benefit from being physically fit as its a rising problem, not just in the US but over here as well.

At least in the US the teens have a choice whether or not to enroll in the Cadet program in high school(ROTC). Those that do will usually go on to enlist in the military. Those that didn't like it at least gave it a chance and found it not to be for them. Also...as an American...I never wanted my children to be "trained" to use a gun. I did however let me youngest learn from my husband when he wanted to learn how to hunt. That way he knows how to be safe with a firearm. But he has no interest in joining the military. 

Like Alexa said..some join the military for the benefits..others because its a calling for them. Others do it because they have reached the end of their rope and need help with disciplining themselves in society. To those, its almost a Godsend. But..to force military training is wrong. Epecially if its forcing children who are NOT from that certain country. 

ost folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. --Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)

hahaha

lol that will teach the hippies 

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Education Institute has also issued several restrictions, including a

ban on boys’ long hair, use of mobile phones by the students,

- I took the blue pill and found myself alive in Qatar - wish I had taken the red and stayed in Europe

I couldn't agree more if I was supportive of my government's actions! 

In the 1940s most people that fought (or history would dictate) were clear of their government intentions as to why the country was going to war. 

Unfortunately, not so in today's time!

I don't think that not invading Iraq would have led us to all be compulsorarily speaking a different language by now, do you?

I always wanted to do a month of boot camp actually.  I wanted to see if I was strong enough to handle it.

"When they say he could walk on water, I think of it like he could fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Literal people scare me, getting it wrong fundamentally, down at the church of 'Look it says right here see!" Ani Difranco

You probably will be speaking German with UK accent.

If you join the army there is no better time than to join when there is something happening.

That's when the country needs you. What would have happened in the 1940'swith that attitude?

Hey, I want to join the British Army and be one of  their Royal Guards in Buckingham Palace, that way, I could tell everyone passing by "Are we there yet"! with a Southern American strong draw accent.  Do you reckon my joke?

Gypsy...you almost gave me a heartattack..lol

I missed "Candy"....... Naughty me! 

Occasionally you'll hear some politician lobbying for the re-introduction of national service in the UK. The Army doesn't like the idea because it's not their job to cure the problems of society. They want fit, enthusiastic volunteers who are eager to get killed for their country.

If you were trying to improve the youth, you're more likely to succeed by targeting parents. You can predict accurately the job prospects of kids by looking at the educational achievements of its parents. Sending kids for military training is rearranging the deck-chairs as the Titanic sinks.

I know a lot of Americans who would disagree with me, but I can't see how teaching kids to fire weapons would be a step forward. You won't end up with a disciplined youth, but with the same kids who still want to become DJs or Rally Drivers, but now know how to fire a gun. Nice.

In Germany community service is usually being a candy striper (orderly) at a hospital. 

"When they say he could walk on water, I think of it like he could fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Literal people scare me, getting it wrong fundamentally, down at the church of 'Look it says right here see!" Ani Difranco

If it includes Rockclimbing, Paragliding, (no ski-diving for me), Shooting practice, Free food, free accomodation, and paid holiday....I dont mind doing such service. ...call it waterever you will.....

I still dont understand what community service they expect the children to do? We used to clean the Streets on Gandhi Jayanti (birthday) Oct 2, Visiting the Sick, and Juveinile Kids Prison.  I dont think this will be expected of the Kids here.  

They used to only use the TA as a last resort.  However, I hear nowadays they use them quite regularly!  It's hard enough when you agree with the reasons for going to war, but if you don't agree, it must be really hard seeing the destruction day in day out!!!

Soldiers must follow orders unconditionally!  

i know what you mean QT ... my sister in law enrolled herself with territorial army. she is a mid wife. She did it because of the extra money and all the fun going in free trip here and there.

She did not expect the war will break out. Since then she been to Iraq and Afganisthan few times.  

I don't necessarily agree with forcing foreigners to do military service but they will only have to do it for 1 month, so it's not like they're going to be sent off to war or involved in anything other than training. It looks like it's intended more as a way to instill discipline and values. Might do the kids some good, but it still sounds odd forcing foreigners to do it.

Sorry Novita, I meant if you get the chance to choose when he enrolls (when he's older), don't do it while there's still a war on.

"But try to wait for a quiet period if you do. "

----> excuse me QT .... what do u mean by that? sorry i still dont understand English sometimes. 

jack ... my stand still the same. If my son have the previllege for the certain country i will fully supporting it either way ... military or community service

The title of the thread is "compulsory military service"

It talks about Community Service....not military service.....and I dont think they  mean the same thing!

Then it talks about the Uniform.

Or may be I am getting old....

That's very noble.  But try to wait for a quiet period if you do.   LOL

QT ... my son hold a british passport ... so i think it is just the right thing to do he doing the military service for the UK.

I would think the same if Qatari government granted him a Qatari passport. I wil fully supporting it too.

Thanks Mila , and I haven't seen your answer yet to when I said the next time you see me out come and introduce yourself!

On another topic, my brother tried to join the military here and they turned him down because he doesn't speak Arabic...now they are introducing this (less then a year later). 

"When they say he could walk on water, I think of it like he could fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Literal people scare me, getting it wrong fundamentally, down at the church of 'Look it says right here see!" Ani Difranco

You wouldn't mind sending your son to do military service in the UK?

Wouldn't you rather send him to a country to do military service that you knew weren't going to follow the USA into silly and unnecessary wars?

Just a thought!

Gypsy, out of topic, just short note for you. I done what I have to do and lets hope for the best news.

Everybody is right and Everybody is wrong, its depend where you stand

Are they trying to recruit other nationality to become cadet or something once the military service finish??? for sure they dont have enough people to join the army. 

Everybody is right and Everybody is wrong, its depend where you stand

Damn, you beat me to posting this.  From what I read it seems to be a choice of military service OR community service, and the private schools are exempted (so Qatar Academy doesn't have to do it)

"All students, male and female, are required to complete 25 hours of community service. All male students, Qatari and non-Qatari, must wear the traditional Qatarioutfit (gutra). Summer uniform must be the Qatari thobe. White coloured-silk and shiny material are prohibited. The thobe should be loose fitting with loose sleeves, with or without collar. The head cover (gutra) must be white for intermediate and secondary schools and hat for primary schools. Winter uniform should be Qatari woolen thobe (black-blue or grey colour) worn according to school preferences. The head cover(gutra) must be white or red for preparatory and secondary schools and hat for primary schools.

Private schools are exempted from this decision; however, they are requested to review their dress codes in accordance with Qatari society values. " The Peninsula

Personally, as much as I think it's a good idea and support mandatory community service/ military service for youth, I really do wonder at making non-Qatari's do it. As Novita said, her son gets no benefits for living here, so why should he put himself through this?

"When they say he could walk on water, I think of it like he could fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Literal people scare me, getting it wrong fundamentally, down at the church of 'Look it says right here see!" Ani Difranco

i dont mind my son doing a military service at all. But not for Qatar. He born here but he dont even get any special previllege from the country, so why he should do the service in Qatar.

I will fully supporting for my son to go it if one day UK doing the same.

In Singapore ... all the boys have to serve National Service 2 yrs before they enter the university. It is a good thing ... but then most boys always left behind in getting the degree compare to the girls. The girls will finish their degree 2 yrs earlier than the boy. 

Military service isn't about learning how to use weapons, it is about discipline, and "giving back" to one's country.

I honestly believe that it will improve the lives of these kids, as for first of all, this country isn't going to war any time soon, and secondly, with all the obesity problems with teenagers these days, all that PT and running will be good for them.

Now drop down and give me twenty!

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