This is a discussion for Academic researchers and Philosophers or a religious students who are searching for the truth; though various philosophers from different school of thoughts have discussed FOR and AGAINST the Existence of GOD; but I'm refraining myself to seek any example or help for any religion or thoughts into my discussion;
Usually we discuss only those things, whom are Known to us by any means... (There is no Question about it, that; We all aware of this fact, that; there are some means of knowing someone or something, Via News Media, Views of others, by writing/reading, by the world of Mouth, Visual experience, Advertisement, by smelling, tasting or feelings, by using Our Instinct and Miracle,..etc.., are some examples I can add here, in fact it could be anything else, which conveys something in us; give us the knowledge to discuss about that thing,
it is quiet obvious that NO ONE among us (mankind), can discuss about a thing that we don't know about... (Dear Reader; I don't know who is reading this; therefore I can not discuss/comment about U, at least i need a least info about u to discuss such as, your Gender, Name, Place, Education, Reason to Interest in, Age, School of thought u belongs to, or u post some comments back to me... ect...)
If uptil now, this point is clear to u, than we can proceed further and U can follow me; otherwise; Please "STOP HERE"... DO NOT PROCEED... convince me first about your views in this regards... and I'll try to redirect my search based upon your views, others who understand this point can proceed...
In order to prove the above Subject; Selected for this Forum by Gypsy; I need to discuss few more things about the WORD G.O.D (God), we need to know that; how this WORD G.O.D (God) came into EXISTENCE in our dictionaries and from their to our Daily USE, This is another fact that any WORD we use in our daily life has some meanings/values based on our Custom, society, Location, Language and Believe; but when someone use the WORD G.O.D (God),Even though, he is referring to the One he believed that his Mighty Power; he has to define It's meanings using his own way of believes... because there is no Physical Evidence of GOD, so far, nor anyone has/had seen Him ever Before, till to date; October 07, 2007; all the meanings and explanation used by human being about GOD are self-explanatory and different among different groups/religions;
Since the WORD G.O.D (God) does Exists in our dictionaries, therefore, we can say that there was something un seen, superlative power, to someone or some group of people in early ages; who introduced the word "GOD" among the mankind; Maybe they felt, assumed, realized, invented, created, his word, whatsoever was the reason, my conclusion is that this WORD G.O.D "God", does exists in our Dictionaries; My Conclusion to this paragraph is Whether U believe in the WORD G.O.D (God) or not but infact it does exist in our dictionaries, and dictionaries doesn't belongs to any group or religion... therefore we can say that the WORD G.O.D (God) does EXISTS, who-ever denies this fact must have some solid contradictory grounds; and I would like to hear about your views in this regard, others who are Agreed to this conclusion; can proceed further with me...
Since we are agreed with the Existence of the WORD G.O.D (God), that the WORD God does exists in our world at least in dictionaries/books;
Now we need to know what is the Meaning of GOD?
Before I proceed further here... I have a QUESTION from ALL of YOU, I challenge every existing Human Being, through this Forum to give me the actual Meanings of the word "ODG" and "OGD"... REMEMBER this, that; these words "ODG" and "OGD" Can be used as an abbreviations to any name of the group/organization, What i need U 2 search and tell me the actual Meaning of OGD and ODG... ... ... ... Come on Guys how much time do u think u need 4 research... come back... These Words Does not Exists to carry any meaning within them, these words OGD and ODG are meaningless words and only can be used as an abbreviations to some group or Organizations, phrase... DESPITE of all these meaningless words "ODG" and "OGD" they do Exists among us... and some particular people and the people concerned to use these terms "ODG" and "OGD" for their own use and benefits... these words "ODG" and "OGD" has NULL value among the other Human Beings... my second conclusion is that these words "ODG" and "OGD" does not belong to any group / religion / organization / school to thoughts / or any philosopher... therefore anyone can use these abbreviations "ODG" and "OGD" to their own use and benefit, for an example I SAY HERE THAT OGD IS THE ABBREVIATIONS OF "ON GOOD DEEDS(OGD)" AND ODG IS THE ABBREVIATIONS OF "OVER DIZZY GOATS(ODG), is there anyone who have any ground to object my explanations to the words "ODG" and "OGD"? Anyone can use these words the way they feel is right, and who ever intends to deal with u must use and accept your terminology for "ODG" and "OGD", whereas if u come to me that u need to follow my terminology not others; my conclusion from this debate is that the WORD "ODG" and "OGD" has three Alphabets used in the Name of G.O.D (GOD) if we assume that when this word was invented/created, every human being used this word GOD for their own purpose and benefits differently when used in their own Language, Culture, Society, Religion, etc... therefore we find different names such as El/Elohim, Bhagawan, Allah, Holy Trinity/Ghost/Spirit, Jehovah, Zeus, Lord, Ishvar, OM, Khuda' and many more are the names used by different people, Groups, religions, Since the English is from one of the most widely spoken language of our time, so when people from other believes and areas translate the meaning of their Creator into English; they choose the most commonly translation used in English Language; which is GOD/Lord; (After the 9-11's brutal incident Allah is the most popular word after God/Lord, used among us), therefore my third Conclusion is that If one needs to know the meaning of GOD/Lord, he must have look into the other details/definition used by other religions and groups using under their Perspective; but the General meanings of God is the Creator of the Universe and Mankind, and the Crator of all the Creatures in this Universe, So if we are Discussing about the One who is the Creator of this Universe and Everything Existing here within this Universe is reffered to HIM, than we simply have reached the conclusion that God of all religion and Groups mentioned above, DOES EXISTS... ...
FINAL CONCLUSION;
THUS; THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD DOES ENDS HERE; COZ THE NAME OR WORD GOD DOES EXIST FOR EVERY HUMAN BEING IN THEIR DICTIONARIES AND BOOKS; ONLY THE REAL EXISTENCE WAS QUESTIONED HERE; AND THE REAL EXISTENCE OF GOD IS PROVEN BY THE GROUPS/RELIGIONS WHO NAMED HIM TO BELIEVE HIM AS; EL, ALLAH, LORD, HOLY TRINITY, ISHVAR, BHAGAWAN, KHUDA' ZEUS, JEHOVAH, AND LOTS OF OTHER NAMES COMMONLY OR PRIVATELY USED BY DIFFERENT HUMAN BEINGS, ACTUALLY IS THE SAME WHEN TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH; ALL THESE DIFFERENT NAMES OF GOD, IN DIFFERENT GROUPS AND CULTURES; AND THEIR NUMBER OF WORSHIPERS/BELIEVERS PROOVES THAT THE GOD DOES EXISTS TO BE PRAISED BY THE MANKIND;
ANSWER #2. BASED UPON ABOVE CONCLUSION WE CAN SAY THAT GOD DOES OT POSESS ANY RELIGION COZ RELIGION MEANS A GROUP OF WORSHIPER/PRACTITIONERS AND GOD DOES NOT FITS IN THIS CATEGORY TO WORSHIP/PRACTICE SOMEONE OR HIS OWN LAWS... IT IS DISCRIMINATORY TO GOD IF HE ADDOPT/SUPPORT ANY PARTICUALR RELIGION COZ HE IS THE LORD OF ALL MENKIND, AND HE SETS THE RULES AN REGULATIONS FOR THAT RELIGION, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME/AREA/PEOPLE, UNLESS HIS FOLLOWER DOSEN'T MAKE BRING ANY MAJOR CHANGES/AMMENDMENTS IN THE RULE AND REGULATIONS OF THAT RELIGION; IF THE RELIGION'S LAW ARE PURE, AND BENEFITED TO HIM AND OTHER MENKIND, THEN GOD OWN THAT RELIGONS AND THEIR FOLLOWRS AS WELL; THEREFORE WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO BELONG WITH A RELIGION TO BELONG WITH GOD; GOD DOES NOT NEED TO BELONG TO THE RELIGION TO BELONG WITH US, COZ WE CAN NOT BE BENNIFITED TO GOD IN ANY MEANS... THAT'S ALL FOLKS FOR TODAY...
Finally I would like to add that after all these efforts writing all these here I still say that this is my personal point of View to the question about the existence of God?
if still someone is not Satisfied/agreed than I will try to use some other common examples around us, for that u need to ask me personally by messaging me, I assure u that I'll try not to seek any support from any religion/Group to Proove your Question. I appreciate your comments and views in this regard, pls update me as well, Thank You, Zafar Naqvi
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW: What is yours?
This is a discussion for Academic researchers and Philosophers or a religious students who are searching for the truth; though various philosophers from different school of thoughts have discussed FOR and AGAINST the Existence of GOD; but I'm refraining myself to seek any example or help for any religion or thoughts into my discussion;
Usually we discuss only those things, whom are Known to us by any means... (There is no Question about it, that; We all aware of this fact, that; there are some means of knowing someone or something, Via News Media, Views of others, by writing/reading, by the world of Mouth, Visual experience, Advertisement, by smelling, tasting or feelings, by using Our Instinct and Miracle,..etc.., are some examples I can add here, in fact it could be anything else, which conveys something in us; give us the knowledge to discuss about that thing,
it is quiet obvious that NO ONE among us (mankind), can discuss about a thing that we don't know about... (Dear Reader; I don't know who is reading this; therefore I can not discuss/comment about U, at least i need a least info about u to discuss such as, your Gender, Name, Place, Education, Reason to Interest in, Age, School of thought u belongs to, or u post some comments back to me... ect...)
If uptil now, this point is clear to u, than we can proceed further and U can follow me; otherwise; Please "STOP HERE"... DO NOT PROCEED... convince me first about your views in this regards... and I'll try to redirect my search based upon your views, others who understand this point can proceed...
In order to prove the above Subject; Selected for this Forum by Gypsy; I need to discuss few more things about the WORD G.O.D (God), we need to know that; how this WORD G.O.D (God) came into EXISTENCE in our dictionaries and from their to our Daily USE, This is another fact that any WORD we use in our daily life has some meanings/values based on our Custom, society, Location, Language and Believe; but when someone use the WORD G.O.D (God),Even though, he is referring to the One he believed that his Mighty Power; he has to define It's meanings using his own way of believes... because there is no Physical Evidence of GOD, so far, nor anyone has/had seen Him ever Before, till to date; October 07, 2007; all the meanings and explanation used by human being about GOD are self-explanatory and different among different groups/religions;
Since the WORD G.O.D (God) does Exists in our dictionaries, therefore, we can say that there was something un seen, superlative power, to someone or some group of people in early ages; who introduced the word "GOD" among the mankind; Maybe they felt, assumed, realized, invented, created, his word, whatsoever was the reason, my conclusion is that this WORD G.O.D "God", does exists in our Dictionaries; My Conclusion to this paragraph is Whether U believe in the WORD G.O.D (God) or not but infact it does exist in our dictionaries, and dictionaries doesn't belongs to any group or religion... therefore we can say that the WORD G.O.D (God) does EXISTS, who-ever denies this fact must have some solid contradictory grounds; and I would like to hear about your views in this regard, others who are Agreed to this conclusion; can proceed further with me...
Since we are agreed with the Existence of the WORD G.O.D (God), that the WORD God does exists in our world at least in dictionaries/books;
Now we need to know what is the Meaning of GOD?
Before I proceed further here... I have a QUESTION from ALL of YOU, I challenge every existing Human Being, through this Forum to give me the actual Meanings of the word "ODG" and "OGD"... REMEMBER this, that; these words "ODG" and "OGD" Can be used as an abbreviations to any name of the group/organization, What i need U 2 search and tell me the actual Meaning of OGD and ODG... ... ... ... Come on Guys how much time do u think u need 4 research... come back... These Words Does not Exists to carry any meaning within them, these words OGD and ODG are meaningless words and only can be used as an abbreviations to some group or Organizations, phrase... DESPITE of all these meaningless words "ODG" and "OGD" they do Exists among us... and some particular people and the people concerned to use these terms "ODG" and "OGD" for their own use and benefits... these words "ODG" and "OGD" has NULL value among the other Human Beings... my second conclusion is that these words "ODG" and "OGD" does not belong to any group / religion / organization / school to thoughts / or any philosopher... therefore anyone can use these abbreviations "ODG" and "OGD" to their own use and benefit, for an example I SAY HERE THAT OGD IS THE ABBREVIATIONS OF "ON GOOD DEEDS(OGD)" AND ODG IS THE ABBREVIATIONS OF "OVER DIZZY GOATS(ODG), is there anyone who have any ground to object my explanations to the words "ODG" and "OGD"? Anyone can use these words the way they feel is right, and who ever intends to deal with u must use and accept your terminology for "ODG" and "OGD", whereas if u come to me that u need to follow my terminology not others; my conclusion from this debate is that the WORD "ODG" and "OGD" has three Alphabets used in the Name of G.O.D (GOD) if we assume that when this word was invented/created, every human being used this word GOD for their own purpose and benefits differently when used in their own Language, Culture, Society, Religion, etc... therefore we find different names such as El/Elohim, Bhagawan, Allah, Holy Trinity/Ghost/Spirit, Jehovah, Zeus, Lord, Ishvar, OM, Khuda' and many more are the names used by different people, Groups, religions, Since the English is from one of the most widely spoken language of our time, so when people from other believes and areas translate the meaning of their Creator into English; they choose the most commonly translation used in English Language; which is GOD/Lord; (After the 9-11's brutal incident Allah is the most popular word after God/Lord, used among us), therefore my third Conclusion is that If one needs to know the meaning of GOD/Lord, he must have look into the other details/definition used by other religions and groups using under their Perspective; but the General meanings of God is the Creator of the Universe and Mankind, and the Crator of all the Creatures in this Universe, So if we are Discussing about the One who is the Creator of this Universe and Everything Existing here within this Universe is reffered to HIM, than we simply have reached the conclusion that God of all religion and Groups mentioned above, DOES EXISTS... ...
FINAL CONCLUSION;
THUS; THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD DOES ENDS HERE; COZ THE NAME OR WORD GOD DOES EXIST FOR EVERY HUMAN BEING IN THEIR DICTIONARIES AND BOOKS; ONLY THE REAL EXISTENCE WAS QUESTIONED HERE; AND THE REAL EXISTENCE OF GOD IS PROVEN BY THE GROUPS/RELIGIONS WHO NAMED HIM TO BELIEVE HIM AS; EL, ALLAH, LORD, HOLY TRINITY, ISHVAR, BHAGAWAN, KHUDA' ZEUS, JEHOVAH, AND LOTS OF OTHER NAMES COMMONLY OR PRIVATELY USED BY DIFFERENT HUMAN BEINGS, ACTUALLY IS THE SAME WHEN TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH; ALL THESE DIFFERENT NAMES OF GOD, IN DIFFERENT GROUPS AND CULTURES; AND THEIR NUMBER OF WORSHIPERS/BELIEVERS PROOVES THAT THE GOD DOES EXISTS TO BE PRAISED BY THE MANKIND;
ANSWER #2. BASED UPON ABOVE CONCLUSION WE CAN SAY THAT GOD DOES OT POSESS ANY RELIGION COZ RELIGION MEANS A GROUP OF WORSHIPER/PRACTITIONERS AND GOD DOES NOT FITS IN THIS CATEGORY TO WORSHIP/PRACTICE SOMEONE OR HIS OWN LAWS... IT IS DISCRIMINATORY TO GOD IF HE ADDOPT/SUPPORT ANY PARTICUALR RELIGION COZ HE IS THE LORD OF ALL MENKIND, AND HE SETS THE RULES AN REGULATIONS FOR THAT RELIGION, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME/AREA/PEOPLE, UNLESS HIS FOLLOWER DOSEN'T MAKE BRING ANY MAJOR CHANGES/AMMENDMENTS IN THE RULE AND REGULATIONS OF THAT RELIGION; IF THE RELIGION'S LAW ARE PURE, AND BENEFITED TO HIM AND OTHER MENKIND, THEN GOD OWN THAT RELIGONS AND THEIR FOLLOWRS AS WELL; THEREFORE WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO BELONG WITH A RELIGION TO BELONG WITH GOD; GOD DOES NOT NEED TO BELONG TO THE RELIGION TO BELONG WITH US, COZ WE CAN NOT BE BENNIFITED TO GOD IN ANY MEANS... THAT'S ALL FOLKS FOR TODAY...
Finally I would like to add that after all these efforts writing all these here I still say that this is my personal point of View to the question about the existence of God?
if still someone is not Satisfied/agreed than I will try to use some other common examples around us, for that u need to ask me personally by messaging me, I assure u that I'll try not to seek any support from any religion/Group to Proove your Question. I appreciate your comments and views in this regard, pls update me as well, Thank You, Zafar Naqvi