"...the Russians have ALWAYS thought that." meaning that we think we are always right? First of all, that is not true. I think we blame ourselves for many things more then enough. Should stop doing that and start be proud like americans. By the way, I spent one year in America. Great country, wonderful people. Honestly!!! What was funny, how easy it was to trick them into saying silly things about Russia and they would accept without thinking. Things like bears on streets of cities, they believed with no doubt. And intersting thing - they thought that there was no summer, no sun, no green trees or grass in Russia, just snowing and raining forever. Well, I could understand the story with bears, but this was unbelivable. It's simple geography. Anyway, that is about how easy it is to make people believe what you want them believe.
Regarding the topic of this forum. The war. Has anyone asked himself who started the war and why? I hope now it is more clear for the people of the world that Georgia attacked South Osetia, the intersting thing that West knew about the attack, but Russia was not informed. The name of the operation of Georgian army was called "clean field" I guess, they aimed at sweeping the whole population from the surface of land. Then Russia acted as a defender of Osetia and then, in a tricky way of America it turned into attacker of poor Georgia. I don't want to say that Russian sources of information are honest one hunderd percent. They've never shown anything about Georgia and what Russian army has done there. But I beileve - not much at all, otherwise American sources would love to use the chance to show the world how cruel Russians destroyed tiny country of Georgia. But until now they just played with the footage from Osetia saying it was Georgia. More about Russian sources of information. I would agree that Russian sources are one-sided. Ok, that is fine, at the time of such great informational technologies we have no problem to access the oposite opinions. But when it is so clear that the opposite opinions are liars, then why not believe the Russian side? Especially when Russia so often says - come and see for yourself, we do not block access to anyone, monitor, do make sure that we do everything the way it supposed to be, we do not mind. Another thing. Now Americans send ships through Black sea, as they say ,with humanitarian help for Georgia. Russian authorities said - that is fine, but what about Osetia, it has suffered terrible damage, well, the American ambassador in Russia couldn't give any answer. What can you call that? You see, Saakashvili, as well as Ukranian leaders feel the power of American government at their backs and think they can do anything. Sweep the whole city from the surface of earth, request gas from Russia by the price they think is siutable for them and not the price the whole world pays (that is small thing, but really "funny" because America at that time accused Russians of being bad guys, not giving Ukraine chance to dectate us their rules).
I see, I generalize. Well, because the ussie is not just aobut the Georgia-Osetia conflict? or any particular happening in the world. It is about the World's attitiude to Russia. Returning to my stay in America, after about half-year of staying their and watching American television I started to believe that Russians are gloomy angry people, Soviet Union is an agressor and I almost believed that we don't have sun.EVER. I hadn't seen one picture of Russia where it was sunny and nice. So, really we cannot blame the world for thinking about Russia the way they think. No, I don't try to justify all the bad things Russia and Soviet Union has done. I understand Polish, who hate Russia until now (I am not talking abut Soviets time, we had our history from very long time ago(although cannot understand why they thought that Hitler would be better???). I am surprised about quite people of North Russia who actually faced the destiny of Red indians of America, but being peacful at nature they've been quitely exticting. I don't need even to mention the whole eastern Europe.Or the stupid war in Afghanistan but, when it comes to truth, it must be truth.
Putin.....well, West compares him to Stalin (geogrian by nationality :-)), to HItler.... Very wrong. (He is from KGB, by the way (I think similar to CIB in America)). You see, when Eltsin came to power, he, being ignorant clown, simply let America tear us to pieces. You should've been in Russia at that time. We were bombarded with all the immoral things West could offer us. Once closed country with rules, morals of behaviour (I speak about people, not the country)and then suddenly - freedom of everything. America had put down our agriculture throwing into our country american products. YOu won't believe how angry they were when we refused to buy their chicken because it didn't pass the health inspection. Radio and TV - all prasing America, the "Svoboda"(Freedom) station where we had to hear how wonderful this country was and how we must follow it step by step and be gratefull that it introduced us to the real democracy. Hey, girls, why are you so shy and wear such old fashoned clothes, go on undress. Hey guys, why not try new type of drugs, and there are wonderful ways to earn money by stilling, robing, killing etc etc. EVeryday from every radio station. We watched american and westren movies without cut out pieces for the first time with opened mouths and couldn't believe how those lovely movies we all liked were stuffed with dirty things. I was there, I passed through this. I was teenager at that time and my morality was shaken, thanks God, not ruined like many others'. And then Putin came. Put the "Svoboda" station somewhere to the outscurts of informational field, (although they still can yell their garbage as much as they pleased, but not on main radio stations anymore) He suddenly found money to pay back all the debts Eltsin managed to make during his rein, making America furious, he refused that America put their nose into our internal affairs, he threw one by one those who bowed down to America (no, no, don't think that Putin has introduced them to public this way. They shew their true faces long ago and people were furious long ago before we even heard Putin's name). Well, you see, Putin didn't need to do a lot of informational work to win people to his side. He did what people waited to be done long ago. He won Russians hearts easily just by doing what everyone was talking had to be done. So,comparing him to Stalin is wrong. Stalin kept people in fear and ignorance. No one will put you in prison if you say anything against Putin (we go on discussing him, making fun out of him on TV, I haven't noticed that anyone made any joke about Putin has dissapeared form our TV screens)Or anyone of us was attacked by police for public discussion of the president in a negative or questioning manner .(the ugly lies about demonstrations against Putins "regime" is really a big fat lie of America. I guess that idiots from Svoboda station try to stir up things here in Russia. I understand them, they lost their powers). I've spoken to many, everyone wish he stay forever, doesn't matter how many mistakes anyone finds in his acts not many (if any) wish him to be gone.(although I personally know one, who wish so. As he puts it - they are all the same, life in Russia is not getting much better with him or without) Well, I see your smiles - how this Putin played in our brains. But the truth always comes out especially now, when it is so easy to see things from another point of view. Until now except baseless occusations we don't see anything against Putin. We only see, that America started to fear Russia more then ever. Well, Russia is not threataning them anyway.
As for comparing Putin to Hitler. Well, I have not noticed any of Hitler ambitions in Putin's behaviour. Until now he only has asked other not to put their nose into our bussiness. I think it is fair enough, espeically that until now in reality (not according to what America says, there were no breaking of any inernational rules and laws by Russia)
Don't worry, Russians now are not the same as at the time of Soviet Union, although even at that time there were people who understood the truth. There are much more especially younger people who think twice before believing what is said on TV in Russia. There are enough those who doubt the information, who are not bought into what is said and go on digging for the truth. But we are once again the people who love their own country. And I think it is a big achievment of Putin, whom you all hate so much. I know it is difficult to understand for you, when you didn't pass through the fall of dignity and ruining of the history of your country. When you hate your country and blame it for all the bad things happen around and with you personally. On destroyed, ruined land, where history is not remembered, the glory of the country is not prased, the falls of the country are not acceptedas lessons for future the generation of immorals, people with retarded souls will grow. I guess, that was the aim of America in nineties, this is why they are so angry with Putin, he ruined their plan of destroying Russia from within. I am not repeating what I heard on TV or radio, or I read in newspapers etc. That is my own thought of the person who lived through the fall of my country and witness it's raise. I think each person of the world has the right to be proud of his country. Why do you deny us to have it?
Lets assume that Putin keeps his people in fear and ignorance. What in reality he has done to the world that you are so hateful of him. Please tell, I really wish to know. BEcause until now I've heard only strange baseless information, which no one of us can find support of.
Thanks for everyone who tries to be unbiased, who through the shower of lies try to stand to simply human morals and instead of hatefully throwing bad words into faces of the representatives of this or that country tires to see the big picture.
And as I said, the truth will be seen. The real intentions of Russian government will be seen in the nearest future. If they are the treat to the world and aim at being super-power with control over the planet. We will soon see the real acts of such ambitions. LIke America actutally the Britain too, has repeatedly shown us its hunger to oil and desire to cut the world according to it's prefferences. Or no one noticed???? Or is that only Russian biased information????
Sorry for much writting. One more thing. Tig, you suggested that I better believe BBC, then Russian sources. In the case of Osetia-Georgia conflict, it seems that Russian sources are very honest. From now on will always compare Russian news with BBC.
(one more - regarding puting those against Putin in prison. I said, that anti-government station do exist, the leaders of opposition are seen on TV screens, with only difference that not on the main channels. So, no one put them to prison until now. Surprising? All of them we know from Eltsin time, they are all hanging around. Actually better if they are put to prison or sent to America, or whatever, because the garbage they says is really shamefull. But even so, my mother keep listening to them just not to be bought into "lies" of main stream. And until now they said nothing different from what we can hear on CNN and all other American sources which are so easily accessed in Russia)
Oh, sorry, one more thing. Nationalism, although florishinhg now in Russia is not supported by govrnment in any ways. It is the same way as in Egypt the fundamentalism is not supported and it's leaders are even prosecuted(but surprisingly the main leaders of fundamentalists easily get British nationalities and no more available for Egyptian government. I wish someone explains that starnge position of Britain towards famious fundamentalists-terrorists).
Putin has never addressed Russians using the expression "National Pride". The pride people have to their country is natural, when you feel your government finally does some rightful things. Which sources do you have, brit?
Yeh, we praise Putin. We had enough madmen, starting from useless Tsar Nicolai, followed by "Hitler" No1 Lenin (except that this one aimed not at demolishing the world, but at demolishing his own country at first) then Hitler No2 - Stalin (who is the closest to the original), then the real madman Hrushov. Then the slowly dieing marionnette of government Brezhnev. Then illiteral Gorbachev, who didn't know what to do and where to start and put the country through wars and mass destraction. Then another madman - Eltsin, loud speaker with little brain. He ruined the country to the ashes. And then - Putin, who built the country back, regained it's power, stopped being dependant on the world, made things work again, lets say not perfectly, but it works and going the way to better - very clearly to people living inside. It is not because we are told that we live better, but because it is really so. Again, not everythig perfect, many things people are not happy with....... So, tell me, why on Earth we should be unhappy with Putin,if until now everything he has done turned the counry to a better way? Why should we consider him a madman, or despot, tyran, whatever, if for the first time since more then 20 years ago we do not bow our head to West and America. For the first time we see that the road leads to light and not to destraction and darkness. Why not being proud of that?
"...the Russians have ALWAYS thought that." meaning that we think we are always right? First of all, that is not true. I think we blame ourselves for many things more then enough. Should stop doing that and start be proud like americans. By the way, I spent one year in America. Great country, wonderful people. Honestly!!! What was funny, how easy it was to trick them into saying silly things about Russia and they would accept without thinking. Things like bears on streets of cities, they believed with no doubt. And intersting thing - they thought that there was no summer, no sun, no green trees or grass in Russia, just snowing and raining forever. Well, I could understand the story with bears, but this was unbelivable. It's simple geography. Anyway, that is about how easy it is to make people believe what you want them believe.
Regarding the topic of this forum. The war. Has anyone asked himself who started the war and why? I hope now it is more clear for the people of the world that Georgia attacked South Osetia, the intersting thing that West knew about the attack, but Russia was not informed. The name of the operation of Georgian army was called "clean field" I guess, they aimed at sweeping the whole population from the surface of land. Then Russia acted as a defender of Osetia and then, in a tricky way of America it turned into attacker of poor Georgia. I don't want to say that Russian sources of information are honest one hunderd percent. They've never shown anything about Georgia and what Russian army has done there. But I beileve - not much at all, otherwise American sources would love to use the chance to show the world how cruel Russians destroyed tiny country of Georgia. But until now they just played with the footage from Osetia saying it was Georgia. More about Russian sources of information. I would agree that Russian sources are one-sided. Ok, that is fine, at the time of such great informational technologies we have no problem to access the oposite opinions. But when it is so clear that the opposite opinions are liars, then why not believe the Russian side? Especially when Russia so often says - come and see for yourself, we do not block access to anyone, monitor, do make sure that we do everything the way it supposed to be, we do not mind. Another thing. Now Americans send ships through Black sea, as they say ,with humanitarian help for Georgia. Russian authorities said - that is fine, but what about Osetia, it has suffered terrible damage, well, the American ambassador in Russia couldn't give any answer. What can you call that? You see, Saakashvili, as well as Ukranian leaders feel the power of American government at their backs and think they can do anything. Sweep the whole city from the surface of earth, request gas from Russia by the price they think is siutable for them and not the price the whole world pays (that is small thing, but really "funny" because America at that time accused Russians of being bad guys, not giving Ukraine chance to dectate us their rules).
I see, I generalize. Well, because the ussie is not just aobut the Georgia-Osetia conflict? or any particular happening in the world. It is about the World's attitiude to Russia. Returning to my stay in America, after about half-year of staying their and watching American television I started to believe that Russians are gloomy angry people, Soviet Union is an agressor and I almost believed that we don't have sun.EVER. I hadn't seen one picture of Russia where it was sunny and nice. So, really we cannot blame the world for thinking about Russia the way they think. No, I don't try to justify all the bad things Russia and Soviet Union has done. I understand Polish, who hate Russia until now (I am not talking abut Soviets time, we had our history from very long time ago(although cannot understand why they thought that Hitler would be better???). I am surprised about quite people of North Russia who actually faced the destiny of Red indians of America, but being peacful at nature they've been quitely exticting. I don't need even to mention the whole eastern Europe.Or the stupid war in Afghanistan but, when it comes to truth, it must be truth.
Putin.....well, West compares him to Stalin (geogrian by nationality :-)), to HItler.... Very wrong. (He is from KGB, by the way (I think similar to CIB in America)). You see, when Eltsin came to power, he, being ignorant clown, simply let America tear us to pieces. You should've been in Russia at that time. We were bombarded with all the immoral things West could offer us. Once closed country with rules, morals of behaviour (I speak about people, not the country)and then suddenly - freedom of everything. America had put down our agriculture throwing into our country american products. YOu won't believe how angry they were when we refused to buy their chicken because it didn't pass the health inspection. Radio and TV - all prasing America, the "Svoboda"(Freedom) station where we had to hear how wonderful this country was and how we must follow it step by step and be gratefull that it introduced us to the real democracy. Hey, girls, why are you so shy and wear such old fashoned clothes, go on undress. Hey guys, why not try new type of drugs, and there are wonderful ways to earn money by stilling, robing, killing etc etc. EVeryday from every radio station. We watched american and westren movies without cut out pieces for the first time with opened mouths and couldn't believe how those lovely movies we all liked were stuffed with dirty things. I was there, I passed through this. I was teenager at that time and my morality was shaken, thanks God, not ruined like many others'. And then Putin came. Put the "Svoboda" station somewhere to the outscurts of informational field, (although they still can yell their garbage as much as they pleased, but not on main radio stations anymore) He suddenly found money to pay back all the debts Eltsin managed to make during his rein, making America furious, he refused that America put their nose into our internal affairs, he threw one by one those who bowed down to America (no, no, don't think that Putin has introduced them to public this way. They shew their true faces long ago and people were furious long ago before we even heard Putin's name). Well, you see, Putin didn't need to do a lot of informational work to win people to his side. He did what people waited to be done long ago. He won Russians hearts easily just by doing what everyone was talking had to be done. So,comparing him to Stalin is wrong. Stalin kept people in fear and ignorance. No one will put you in prison if you say anything against Putin (we go on discussing him, making fun out of him on TV, I haven't noticed that anyone made any joke about Putin has dissapeared form our TV screens)Or anyone of us was attacked by police for public discussion of the president in a negative or questioning manner .(the ugly lies about demonstrations against Putins "regime" is really a big fat lie of America. I guess that idiots from Svoboda station try to stir up things here in Russia. I understand them, they lost their powers). I've spoken to many, everyone wish he stay forever, doesn't matter how many mistakes anyone finds in his acts not many (if any) wish him to be gone.(although I personally know one, who wish so. As he puts it - they are all the same, life in Russia is not getting much better with him or without) Well, I see your smiles - how this Putin played in our brains. But the truth always comes out especially now, when it is so easy to see things from another point of view. Until now except baseless occusations we don't see anything against Putin. We only see, that America started to fear Russia more then ever. Well, Russia is not threataning them anyway.
As for comparing Putin to Hitler. Well, I have not noticed any of Hitler ambitions in Putin's behaviour. Until now he only has asked other not to put their nose into our bussiness. I think it is fair enough, espeically that until now in reality (not according to what America says, there were no breaking of any inernational rules and laws by Russia)
Don't worry, Russians now are not the same as at the time of Soviet Union, although even at that time there were people who understood the truth. There are much more especially younger people who think twice before believing what is said on TV in Russia. There are enough those who doubt the information, who are not bought into what is said and go on digging for the truth. But we are once again the people who love their own country. And I think it is a big achievment of Putin, whom you all hate so much. I know it is difficult to understand for you, when you didn't pass through the fall of dignity and ruining of the history of your country. When you hate your country and blame it for all the bad things happen around and with you personally. On destroyed, ruined land, where history is not remembered, the glory of the country is not prased, the falls of the country are not acceptedas lessons for future the generation of immorals, people with retarded souls will grow. I guess, that was the aim of America in nineties, this is why they are so angry with Putin, he ruined their plan of destroying Russia from within. I am not repeating what I heard on TV or radio, or I read in newspapers etc. That is my own thought of the person who lived through the fall of my country and witness it's raise. I think each person of the world has the right to be proud of his country. Why do you deny us to have it?
Lets assume that Putin keeps his people in fear and ignorance. What in reality he has done to the world that you are so hateful of him. Please tell, I really wish to know. BEcause until now I've heard only strange baseless information, which no one of us can find support of.
Thanks for everyone who tries to be unbiased, who through the shower of lies try to stand to simply human morals and instead of hatefully throwing bad words into faces of the representatives of this or that country tires to see the big picture.
And as I said, the truth will be seen. The real intentions of Russian government will be seen in the nearest future. If they are the treat to the world and aim at being super-power with control over the planet. We will soon see the real acts of such ambitions. LIke America actutally the Britain too, has repeatedly shown us its hunger to oil and desire to cut the world according to it's prefferences. Or no one noticed???? Or is that only Russian biased information????
Sorry for much writting. One more thing. Tig, you suggested that I better believe BBC, then Russian sources. In the case of Osetia-Georgia conflict, it seems that Russian sources are very honest. From now on will always compare Russian news with BBC.
(one more - regarding puting those against Putin in prison. I said, that anti-government station do exist, the leaders of opposition are seen on TV screens, with only difference that not on the main channels. So, no one put them to prison until now. Surprising? All of them we know from Eltsin time, they are all hanging around. Actually better if they are put to prison or sent to America, or whatever, because the garbage they says is really shamefull. But even so, my mother keep listening to them just not to be bought into "lies" of main stream. And until now they said nothing different from what we can hear on CNN and all other American sources which are so easily accessed in Russia)
Oh, sorry, one more thing. Nationalism, although florishinhg now in Russia is not supported by govrnment in any ways. It is the same way as in Egypt the fundamentalism is not supported and it's leaders are even prosecuted(but surprisingly the main leaders of fundamentalists easily get British nationalities and no more available for Egyptian government. I wish someone explains that starnge position of Britain towards famious fundamentalists-terrorists).
Putin has never addressed Russians using the expression "National Pride". The pride people have to their country is natural, when you feel your government finally does some rightful things. Which sources do you have, brit?
Yeh, we praise Putin. We had enough madmen, starting from useless Tsar Nicolai, followed by "Hitler" No1 Lenin (except that this one aimed not at demolishing the world, but at demolishing his own country at first) then Hitler No2 - Stalin (who is the closest to the original), then the real madman Hrushov. Then the slowly dieing marionnette of government Brezhnev. Then illiteral Gorbachev, who didn't know what to do and where to start and put the country through wars and mass destraction. Then another madman - Eltsin, loud speaker with little brain. He ruined the country to the ashes. And then - Putin, who built the country back, regained it's power, stopped being dependant on the world, made things work again, lets say not perfectly, but it works and going the way to better - very clearly to people living inside. It is not because we are told that we live better, but because it is really so. Again, not everythig perfect, many things people are not happy with....... So, tell me, why on Earth we should be unhappy with Putin,if until now everything he has done turned the counry to a better way? Why should we consider him a madman, or despot, tyran, whatever, if for the first time since more then 20 years ago we do not bow our head to West and America. For the first time we see that the road leads to light and not to destraction and darkness. Why not being proud of that?
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