no...the chicken does not come from the egg...at least this is what I am made to believe after reading the Koran.

On the subject of Jesus, if you talking of the the Jesus as narrated by the gospels writers who wrote it after some 100 years, i cannot put my belief too much in these verses you quoted. But these same gospels showed Jesus as a clever politician, diplomat, etc...

i think religion should be belief in a Divine force and be kind and help your fellow brothers and sisters, those who are in difficulties. Platoa, I wonder what you will do if i slap you on your right cheek... you'll kick my arse i am sure and then let God judge you.

ANd to SuperNurse, the truth is the truth and it fears no trial, and whether someone like it or not, its the truth and what is "spiel" by the way?