Thanks sounds like there is a few like me out there so I guess next stop is to pioneer a group lets see how it goes. Sponsored by my wife so not difficult. I have left behind a hand made furniture company which once my son is at school I will look to produce here as it does seem we could do with some good furniture here. Many thanks to all your replies and yes I am a lucky man for being in this position and am certainly looking forward to it, I will post a new thread shortly to try and set up a dads group.