Comparing Bible and Qur'am

Not making questions, just trying to make people think ;)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Lot of websites are there to help u.u can post number of questions as u like.Websites are as below

www.islamonline.net

Ahmed Deedat website-lot of comparision u can see in this

Dr Bilal philips website u can even contact him in doha.

forgot to add that it belongs to the Qur'an, AL-BAQARAH – THE COW, section 10

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

"SECTION: 10

Remember, We took a covenant (firm commitment) from the children of Israel: "You

shall worship none but Allah; be good to your parents, relatives, orphans and

destitute, speak fair to the people, establish 'Salah', and pay 'Zakah.'" But you broke

the covenant, except a few of you, and you paid no heed.[83] 2:[83]

Also remember another covenant which We took from you: That you shall not shed

blood among yourselves and you shall not expel your own people from your homes;

you confirmed it and you are witness to it.[84] Yet there you are, killing your own

people, expelling a group amongst you from their homes, backing each other with sin

and aggression; and if they come to you as captives, you trade them for ransoms

whereas their expulsion was unlawful for you to begin with. Do you believe in a part

of your Holy Book and reject the rest? So what other punishment do such people

among you, who behave like this, deserve, than disgrace in this world and to be

driven to grievous punishment on the Day of Judgment? Allah is not unaware of what

you do.[85] Such are the people who trade the life of this world at the expense of the

Hereafter; so neither their punishment shall be lightened nor shall they be helped.[86]"

Interesting expression used in the Qur'an, by these words, i almost feal that they are a reference to the conflicts amongst men and this should be read really carefull by extremists, i would say that God/Allah is warning about being a deadly sin to kill and warning that his word isn't ambiguous and that it's not enough to seam pure, you must be pure, when compared to other humans, just preying, going to the church/sinagoge/mosque frequently wont be enough for someone to be considered worthy of God/Allah's love, you need to act like that and don't judge others because God/Allah will judge us all the same way, just that we mortals can't hide anything from him.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Brit: Thanks, i don't want people to say that i'm right because i wrote this but i want all to think by themselfs and discuss between all what's said to prevent that clerigs and extremists impose their views because we were made racional by God/Allah, if He wanted us to follow the leader as the non racional animals he wouldn't have made us this different from the other animals.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Yes, I agree that you are comparing two books. My point is that the writings can be easily misinterpreted unless understood in the correct context or order. This is not easy to do and should not be taken lightly..

A perfect example is the misinterpretation of certain excerpts of the Quran by extremists for their own goals..

Babyphat/MD: Thanks for your support. Like baby phat said comparing these 2 religions holly books will always be a personal gain for anybody that's interested on it.

I personnally think that my muslim/christian brothers should be free to ask themselfs the meaning of so many contradictions in books that are supposed to be God/Allah's instructions to Humans and always think that God/Allah ain't ambiguous but humans are.

Gonna be reading a litle more before continuing the post ;)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

i always thought of comparing these two religions for my personal gain..have no guts...but there you go someone finally speaks up for the others...hehe

freedom of speech...but leave mockery behind...

i'll keep on reading though...

Enjoy your weekend, Platao.

Britexpad, i'm comparing 2 books, if you aren't interested in subject, you don't need to comment it.

MD: Exactly, that's why i think that asking scholars anything wont be any useful, either it's written in the book or it's false. who cares that you are a racional being created by God/Allah?

Regarding the texts, i must agree with you too, only the hardest to understand are used in the books, that is applied to all religions, ig God/Allah had really gave instructions there wouldn't be so many contradictions.

I start weekend today, will resume this post monday.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Scholars? hooo: Most of the papers which are submitted to the Physical Review are rejected, not because it is impossible to understand them, but because it is possible. Those which are impossible to understand are usually published.

—Freeman Dyson, Innovation in Physics

Where is the comparison andwhy is it neccessary?

Excerpts from both the Bible and the Quran can be misleading if taken out of context..

Wth all due respect, these topics are the domain of scholars and not those of us with little or no knowledge of the subject...

And we should never forget: Galileo, the greatest scientist of his time, was forced to his knees under threat of torture and death, obliged to recant his

understanding of the Earth’s motion, and placed under house arrest for the rest of his life by steely-eyed religious maniacs. He worked at a time when every European intellectual lived in the grip of a Church that thought nothing of burning scholars alive for merely

speculating about the nature of the stars. . . . This is the same Church that did not absolve Galileo of heresy for 350 years (in 1992).

It is now generally accepted that the universe evolves

according to well-defined laws. The laws may have been

ordained by God, but it seems that He does not intervene

in the universe to break the laws.

(Stephen Hawking, Black Holes and Baby Universes)

Now to explain my idea, God/Allah created an infinite universe and a lot of wonders, as a racional being does anyone belive that he spends all the days/hours/minutes/secs lloking at this small part of the universe? That doesn't mean he doesn't know what each of one is doing. Catholique church with the Inquisition persecuted science men that were denying some principals that were written in the Bible, even the Romans already had a knowledge about earth not being center of universe, but i wont get too long on this because i need to have more knowledge and i'm already going on a different direction of this post subject.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

God is impartial

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

To be honest with you, i don't think so, but will explain my reasons after lunch :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

The question really is if God gives a da*n of what you or I are thinking?

md: eXACTLY JUST THAT IN mONOTHEISM, WE CONSIDER GOD/Allah PERFECT AND THE SAME PROBLEM YOU APPOINT for describing an entity beyond time and space, we use to show that such a being doesn't need intermediates, because the universe is so big, that only by selfishness we could think that our planet and the human species are the most important things for God/Allah.

P.S.- Sorry caps :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

One thing for sure: there are no words in human languages that can describe an entity beyond time and space!!

Before i continue, i would like to know if Islam sees Allah as a perfect being. And what are the qualities of God/Allah. thanks good understanding regarding my questions :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

md: tHANKS FOR YOUR EXPLANATION, WE ARE ALWAYS LEURNING :)

Sorry caps :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

The Essenes practiced ritual washings (baptism), which has caused some to hypothesize that John the Baptist may have been an Essene or had been influenced by the sect. “John the Baptist was born to aging parents Elizabeth and Zechariah — and many people believe that he was brought up at the Qumran community when his parents died. Part of their charitable work was to care for the orphans of the priests.”

Wealth was not accumulated and property was shared.

Slaves were not allowed.

Truth was regarded highly, oaths were unnecessary.

Before each meal a cold bath was taken as part of the purification ceremony.

White clothes were worn as symbols of purity and sobriety.

On admission to the group, a member was given three external tokens: a small chopper, an apron and a white robe. According to Philo and Pliny, marriage was rejected and celibacy advocated. Josephus refers, however, to a group of Essenes who allowed marriage.

No animal sacrifices were offered, because they had sacrificed themselves for the Lord’s cause.

The communal meal was a high point in the Essene ritual.

I think he could have been an Essenian from Qumran

thks, so we can consider John Baptist a Sabian?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Sabians practice initiation through submersion in water, intended to harken to the inundation of the world during the deluge of the time of Noah which cleansed man's sinful nature from the face of the earth. (from Wikipedia)

Continuing my reading i found another interesting paragraph

"Rest assured that Believers (Muslims), Jews, Christians and Sabians - whoever

believes in Allah and the Last Day and performs good deeds - will be rewarded by

their Lord; they will have nothing to fear or to regret.[62] 2:[62]"

Who were Sabians?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Can: Thanks for reviving your question, i got a litle lost :)

So, you refer those witnesses as if they were like Jesus disciples?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Plato I see a reoccurring theme with you... You make no friggin sense....

It is like I say, "I like chocolate." to you and you reply, "water is wet and cardboard boxes are made of cardboard."

You are speaking absolute "mumble jumble" dude...

Care to respond CLEARLY and COHERENTLY to what I posted?

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

sorry can't explain that, religion isn't of any interest to me hence my feeling that these are both story books made by some bloke a long time ago....

MD: Thanks, to help clarify it, he was also known as Levi, he was a jew that worked for the romans and dropped everything to follow Jesus Christ, think he was a roman tax collector, do not confuse him with Paul ;)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Supernurse: Yes, even Jesus refers it on the bible, that most examples he gives are only examples not true stories, if the Holly books problems would be the translation, why is there shiit's (plse correct if i spelled it wrong) and sunites? why are there ortodox and non orthodox in christianism and judaism?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Wizz14, according to all what is known the four gospels were written between 65 and 100 AD. So Mathew may well have been an eyewitness.

Wizz14: Thanks for your clarification.

The translator adds in the beggining that:

"Though some scholars deny it, most Muslims recognize that the Quran includes

many apparently contradictory verses, created at different times. These are

harmonized by a method of precedence or "abrogation." The traditional view is that

later verses abrogated earlier ones. This is the almost unanimously accepted view.

Others argue that earlier verses take precedence over later ones."

So, not really a question of being a translation but several scolars start to admit that the Qur'an has contradictory verses.

Brogation, does it mean they were replaced or actualized?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

They're both the same, a load of stories in a book.....simple

Thanks zambo, i'll continue, but slowlly, because both books are big and need to keep heading further. :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Go ahead plato im reading... those who dont want to read just spare this and find other topic.thats simple a lot of choices!

"swim like a current,stand like a rock"

You mean Bernabé?

Think you should read the partial introductory text coming in 1 of Qur'an translations and it says clearly:

"The reader should be aware that the Quran, like the holy books of the Jews and

Christians, is interpreted differently by different persons. Some insist on a strict literal, while others try to adapt the intention of the Quran to modern society."

So, "what is Trueth, is mine same as yours?"

Everyone is equal and at same time different, i'll add here a text i grabbed at www.wikipedia.com:

"Imagine prisoners who have been chained since their childhood deep inside a cave: not only are their arms and legs unmovable because of chains; their heads are chained in one direction as well so that their gaze is fixed on a wall.

Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which puppets of various animals, plants, and other things are moved along. The puppets cast shadows on the wall, and the prisoners watch these shadows. Behind this cave there is a well-used road, and upon this road people are walking and talking and generally making noise. The prisoners, then, believe that these noises are coming directly from the shadows they are watching pass by on the cave wall.

The prisoners engage in what appears to us to be a game : naming the shapes as they come by. This, however, is the only reality that they know, even though they are seeing merely shadows of objects. They are thus conditioned to judge the quality of one another by their skill in quickly naming the shapes and dislike those who play poorly.[citation needed]

Suppose a prisoner's chains break, and he is able to get up and walk about (a process which takes some time, as he has never done it before). Eventually he will be compelled to explore; he walks up and out of the cave, whereby he is instantly blinded by the sun. He turns then to the shadows on the floor, in the lakes, slowly working his way out of his deluded mind, and he is eventually able to glimpse the sun. In time, he would learn to see it as the object that provides the seasons and the courses of the year, presides over all things in the visible region, and is in some way the cause of all these things that he has seen.

(This part of the allegory, incidentally, closely relates to Plato's metaphor of the sun which occurs near the end of The Republic, Book VI.)[1]

Once enlightened, so to speak, the freed prisoner would not want to return to the cave to free his fellow prisoners, but would be compelled to do so. Another problem lies in the other prisoners not wanting to be freed: descending back into the cave would require that the freed prisoner's eyes adjust again, and for a time, he would be one of the ones identifying shapes on the wall. His eyes would be swamped by the darkness, and would take time to become acclimated. He might stumble, Plato asserts, and the prisoners would conclude that his experience had ruined him. He would not be able to identify the shapes on the wall as well as the other prisoners, making it seem as if his being taken to the surface completely ruined his eyesight. (The Republic bk. VII, 516b-c; trans. Paul Shorey)"

Translation to arabic:

ن

از ویکی‌پدیا، دانشنامهٔ آزاد.

پرش به: ناوبری, جستجو

این مقاله نیازمند ویکی‌سازی است. لطفاً با توجه به راهنمای ویرایش و شیوه‌نامه آن را تغییر دهید.

در پایان، پس از ویکی‌سازی این الگوی پیامی را بردارید.

تمثیل غار افلاطون، به در بند بودن انسان‌ها در عقاید خوداشاره دارد، که شرح آن به این صورت است:

ابتدا یک غار را در نظر بگیرید، که در آن تعدادی انسان در حالی که به همدیگر غل وزنجیر شده اند، به طرف دیواری که بر روی آن، پردهٔ سفیدی قرار دارد، نشسته اند و آنها همیشه به طرف دیوار بوده اند و هیچگاه پشت سر خود را نگاه نکرده اند. در پشت این افراد آتشی روشن است و در پشت این آتش نیز مجسمه هایی قرار دارند و هنگامی که آنها حرکت می‌کنند سایه آنها به روی دیوار می اقتد. در واقع این مجسمه ها همان اعتقادات وعقاید این گروه از افراد هستند که سایه آنها بر روی دیوار منعکس می شود. در این میان، ناگهان زنجیر از پای یکی از این زندانیان که به سوی دیوار غار نشسته است باز میگردد.وآن شخص به عقب برمیگرددوپشت خود را میبیند و سپس از دهانه غار به بیرون میرود. او تازه متوجه می شود که حقیقت چیزی جز آن است که در داخل غار قرار داشت . در واقع، این عالم خارج همان عالم مَثَل افلاطونی است که شخص، هنگامی که به آن میرسد متوجه می‌شود که حقایق عالم چیزی جز این است و داخل غار کجاو وخارج آن کجا! این شخصی که به عالم خارج از غار رفته وازآن آگاهی کسب کرده است تصمیم میگرید که به غار برگردد ودیگران را نیز از این حقیقت آگاه کند.وهنگامی که به سوی آنان می رود تا آنها را نسبت به عالم خارج آگاه کند و بگوید که حقیقت چیزی جز این است که شما به آن دل بسته اید با برخورد سرد زندانیان مواجه می شود، وآنان حرف وی را دروغ میپندارند.

در واقع این تمثیل بیان می کند که این عالم سایه ایست از آن عالم حقیقی که همان عالم کلی یا مثل میباشد.و غار نیز تمثیلی است از این عالم که همان سایه مثل است و تنها کسی که میتواند خود را به عالم حقیقی برساند فیلسوف است و وظیفه فیلسوف این است که خود را از این عقاید باطل وغیر عقلانی مردم درباره خدا وعالم هستی به دور کند و حقیقت را از خاستگاه حقیقی آن یعنی همان عالم مثل لایتغیر جستجو کند

Please note that this translation in arabic is also found at www.wikipedia.com

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Wizz: The Bible was written in Latin, later translated to all languages, just like the jewish Tora.

Do you know the story of the Babel Tower?

Why would God/Allah make a code on a book that is supposed to be for all his children?

Strict rules?

About double and triple meaning there's my language, portuguese, do you truelly think that God/Allah would give a dubious meaning to his words or maybe where the human prophets that didn't fully understand his words?

It's natural that a human can't comply the full extent of God/Allah ideas/thoughts, afterall He's perfect, we humans are all imperfect.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Wizz: that was in the Old testament. The 1st book of the new testament is Book of Mateus (in english is it Mathew?),

where he spokes about Jesus familly and Jesus actions, the events continue with Marcos, Lucas and John.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Wizz14: U mean the thief that was released by the people of Israel instead of Jesus Christ?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Discussions are good. However random sentences which dont make sense is not a discussion. You keep jumping from one thing to another. Please as was mentioned before by Loulsy, get your subject together, list the pro's and contra's, provide us with the details and then we can discuss. Dont forget there are a lot of nationalities and religions here on this site and several know quite a lot about the subject. So prepare your story well, and you will see, then you will get a rational discussion going which can be educative/interesting for you, me and all the others.

Aisha-Taweela

Merry can:

Thanks for your reply, the funny thing is that while i was searching for the profets explanation i found following words at Qur'an:

"Would you ask others to be righteous and forget to practice it yourselves? Even

though you read your Holy Book? Have you no sense? [44] 2:[44]"

Now back to the reply to merry can :)

I searched an explanation for why did God broke his own commitments, but seams there's no refernce to the reason why, the best i can find is:

"SECTION: 5

O children of Israel! Remember My favors which I bestowed upon you; fulfill your

covenant with Me and I will fulfill My covenant with you, that you should fear none but

Me.[40] Believe in My revelations, which are confirming your scriptures; do not be the

first one to deny My revelations, and do not sell them for a petty price, fear Me and

Me Alone.[41] Do not mix the Truth with falsehood, or knowingly conceal the

truth.[42] Establish Salah (prayers); give Zakah (charity); and bow down with those

who bow down in worship.[43] 2:[40-43]"

Does this mean that he broke his commitments so humans would fear him??

Interesting revelation on 1st paragraph, where he calls the people, children of Israel, i wonder if he means Israel brother of Ismael or if he means the tribes of Israel (including jews), but i'll keep reading the Qur'an to see if there's any explanation for it.

thanks anyway :)

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Plato,

It is best to go back to the source of something to understand it.... To understand the revelation of the Qur'aan one must first look to see if God has explained the verse in a subsequent verse. If he has not then we look to see if the Prophet Muhammad explained the verse. If he did not then we seek witness accounts of the people who were present when the revelation was revealed. Lastly we utilize the linguistic meaning of the revelation in the Arabic language.

The companions of Muhammad were present and they relayed the reasons and meaning behind why verses were revealed.

Islam is Allaah sent down revelation, Muhammad received revelation and his righteous companions understood that revelation.

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Why am i being judged, AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO be tolerant and to listen and discuss racionally, if people can't be racional why they come to this topic just to criticise, i thank all positive arguments, excuses as "who are you to talk about both books" only show that you don't care about what someone may say, if it's in the book than it's true, how racional is that?

I'm not a religious person but always loved to study religion.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

hay BEHAVE UR SELF ..ITS QURAN UNDERSTAND ...AND QURAN CANT BE COMPARED ....WITH ANY THING IN THIS UNIVERSE UNDERSTAND .......

When you want to open a topic you have to be ready to debate it and discuss it.. in this ur not.. u are holding what you have seen and understood from what u read as the only meaning.. As adviced by friends.. I will move way from this topic as to not ruin my weekend..

Ciao..

WYSIWYG

away from this site.Everyone has their own views on different religions however knowledgeble he maybe be,dats because people see a thing in different angles so lets bury dis.Keep movin

My best reply to those that doubt my intentions, is a part of an opinion from Sheikh Muhammad Nur Abdullah, president of ISNA (Islamic Society of North America):

"First of all, a person cannot put a condition for his or her conversion, i.e., that he or she is embracing Islam just to get married to so-and-so. This is not accepted when stipulated and clearly stated. However, if anyone says the Shahadah, then we accept his or her conversion even though his or her intention might be impure, as we are supposed to deal with people based on what they show us and Allah takes care of their real intentions that they hide inside themselves."

If i'm wrong i'll be punished but if i'm right others will be punished, on other words, only God/Allah knows truelly, if he created me the way he did, he must have his reasons right?

Why you guys feal that's offensive?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

"Gradually they became so degraded that shame and

misery were brought upon them and they drew upon themselves the wrath of Allah;

this was because they went on rejecting the commandments of Allah and killed His

prophets unjustly, furthermore, it was the consequence of their disobedience and

transgression.[61] 2:[61]" Qur'an AL-BAQARAH – THE COW.

This reference is common to both books, it's strange that such a perfeit being can be so parcial, if he said "You shall not kill "or "you should not love other God besides Me", how come that even God / Allah breaks his own commitments?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

I do not understand what exactly is your point.

First thing you have to understand is what is Quran. The passage you have written in your original post about Prophet pbuh's miration to Medina is not in Quran.

Unlike Bible which is a book written by people after death of Jesus, about what he did, how he lived etc, Quran is not the story of Prophet. The Prophet's life is recorded in history and Hadith and not in Quran.

So first thing, find a copy of Quran and read it.

Bro i dont object you to compare the bible and the Quran but in this post you didnt did that. i cant see any comparison between the two you made here.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

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You want to open this Comparison Forum and discuss it Rationally as you keep on saying then go read both books.. write down ur notes.. u can use excell and make a table one column bible and the other quran and write down the differences.. and then AND ONLY THEN you can come and open a forum and discuss it... bcz such a discussion cannot be discussed rationally and slowly as u go through it step by step day by day.. hopefully not year by year...

When you want to open a very deep discussion and you want to discuss it Rationally in order not to offend your brother christians and muslims you need to make sure ur facts are straight and there is not one dot out of place....

WYSIWYG

Platao, there's a limit to everything. Your document is not within it, plus its pointless. It's like u r writing cheques that will bounce, u r not a scholar, even scholars cant reach upto a point to decide what religion is right, then who are u to manipulate people?

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Lously: Than why is it called "Politics, Culture and Religion" instead of Politics and Culture ?

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

So, correct me if i'm wrong, this post board is:

Home › Forums › Qatar Living Community › Politics, Culture and Religion

right?

So, how offensive can it be to make questions, i didn't finish it yet, i'm going slowlly, as you all should be aware, both books are very big, just imagine the time i'll need to go read both and find some doubts, but i think some people that replied didn't read my text from begginning, because i say:

"Please note, in special my muslim/christian brothers, that i'll be racional when i give my opinions, dont take them as an attack to any religion or belief."

This is when i must agree with Gypsy, but it's not only a question of Islam, but all religious people will say the same just that they don't need to think about it, they prefer to be like sheeps following the leader without questioning.

If anyone doesn't like this matter or his reply will be either ask scholars or because it's written, than, you aren't being racional and can't comment a post made by a racional being.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Merci Thexonic ;-)

WYSIWYG

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Huh.. religion allover !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'' its been deviding and making people fight, killed many, displaced many,.... ""

My religion is Humanity!!!

1. You said comparision and yet I do not see the comparison that u did. All i see is copy pasted texted and at only one point u said that the bible contradicts something.. what is that thing i dont know.. u probably need to go read Book of Genesis in the Old Testament.

2. It is advised in such cases, since you are not an expert/specialist to keep away from such a topic bcz no matter how Rational you may try to be you will say something wrong and offend either party.

3.QL is home to all nationalities and all religions.. and i am sure i speak on behalf of all when i say.. it is preferable to keep "Holy" topics away from QL tables because they are are personal and extremely respected topics that do not need to be put on vote nor disected.

Thank you for ur effort but it is better without it.

WYSIWYG

I believe they got wipe out.

"Don't make me write your name on my TURD List!"

atlast someone got the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and for ppl who obviously are "allergic" to islam and related topics....why do they keep bothering to come to a thread that they hate so much????????????we all know their feelings when it come to Islam, we don't need to know it over and over again!

I am sorry but I dont get the point you are trying to make. You say you want to compare the Bible with the Quran. But you dont do that. Just some text without any point to it. Try again but then try to make sense.This kind of thread just makes eveybody come out and post silly answers.

Aisha-Taweela

Yes Plato. Rule number 1 of Islam, don't question it yourself because you aren't smart enough to.

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you are not a scholar for either Quarn or Bible and neither are we.... so if you really care to compare and share/understand, than you should get in touch with a scholar, don't confuse yourself and the others...

Quran and not Qur'am ... the second ... I got no idea what is happening here ... just read the title ..

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

what is your point here? plz clarify?

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thank u aisha

coz u r not the specialist

if u want check mr.ahmad dedat website

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Dude Ql has been thru this crisis even before, dont destory the pace please.

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