Human Rights and Doha 2016 - Justification

HumanBeing
By HumanBeing

How can a country bid for Olympics 2016 and how can you do a display of millions of dollar fireworks when your labor camps are full of human rights violation?!?
West can for sure play a positive role, if they are really genuine in their human rights efforts. Let’s not blame Islam for everything and let’s not blame US either for all our problems.
Problem is at home!
Let’s recognize that the problem is in our intention and hearts. We have HIV in our hearts!
None are Muslims – neither extremist nor such moderate who have arranged a multibillion dollar show on chornich and on the other hand kept themselves intentionally unaware of their labor camps. Are they really unaware!?! It would be a joke to even think this. But then they are really UNAWARE of the reality!
Would anyone ever ask how many local women performed in the show on Thursday?
What is really women rights status here? And how local women are treating their laborers, workers, and slaves?
Why we stop poor labors on Eid day from going to shopping malls and public places?
Why we still have exit permits in 21st century?
And then why Olympics should be brought here?
Free your slaves, citizens, and guest works and the World we give you the OLYMPICS –
But then who cares about the Olympics if we are so mature? All we have to do - is to provide a green patch for our children to play. All children – no classes – no colors – no races.
Today’s majority human practices have nothing to do with any religion.
We have a problem as a society. I am not worried about others. Let’s recognize and fix it among ourselves for our own children for our own future. Let’s take one step, so that they can move to the next.
Let’s not spend billions again on another fake game show. Let’s get recognized as human rights champions, if you really want respect, prestige and power forever.
But then history dictates it will never happen!
We will not wake up.
We will continue looking into the wrong direction waiting for someone else to come and do the real job.
That’s bring frustration in the society who can not do much or does not have the capacity to think much or does not have much to lose.
Good Luck. God bless those who are the victim of our psychological complexes and greed.
May we stay save with kind hearts.

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 19:12
anonymous

Just so this doesn't degenerate too much. If you want to have a serious discussion about this without all the abuse and insults please start a new thread.

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By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 18:07
skdkak closed 1708224867

I did try my best to make her understand earlier but Mrs. is still the same. She does not want to listen to anyone or for that matter she does not want to learn too...Its like striking my head with a wall

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 18:05
JhunBug

I think all those documentaries we've been watching all these years about the Holocaust and other things that happened in the past... were all fabricated.. according to your post

By Person• 27 Oct 2007 17:59
Person

Please direct your comment to the source ie. MRS.

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 17:55
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I thought this forum is for Human rights and Qatar Olympic's and see what we have done to it.. it's become a holocaust issue.

Person: Just for ur your information.. holocaust is a holocaust.. in any and every holocaust its the humans that suffer.. whether its America doing in Janpan... or in Germany or anywhere.. you cannot say most of them were using ordinary weapons... holocaust cannot be right or wrong / small or big etc etc.. holocaust is simply HOLOCAUST..

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By Person• 27 Oct 2007 17:49
Person

Quoting Mrs: "You are reading the fabricated side of history. The ONLY holocaust I know happened in Japan, by the Americans. Others are just ordinary world wars with ordinary casualties, using ordinary weapons."

Ho hum...some of us might beg to differ...

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 17:49
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Guys Guys....

I have missed a great deal in between last few hrs. But I guss by glancing through your comments is the same as I have communicated through this forum about 3 - hrs back and that is she needs to learn english and I have even given her a name of the institute also....

Now I think she also needs history lessons also. Have to find and give her the institute's name of histrory too.

Mrs. ILLITRATE (it's my addition to her name) wants to prove one wrong done centuries ago anywhere in the world is right if it is repeated.

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 17:45
JhunBug

I have to give it to you though.. you manage to stay away from the issues of Human rights and why Qatar should not have the 2016 Olympics... I'm still betting for Japan...

By nib• 27 Oct 2007 17:45
nib

well well. pls dont argue on turkey. lets make it clear. us had weapons in turkey against soviets in cold war days. us army were even listening moscow over turkey:)

but now. things changed. us army is in iraq and supporting kurds to make a state there (it can be a long topic why). and bec there are many kurds in southeast of turkey, turkey wants to stop that. like many times in the past our soldiers want to go northern iraq and stop terrorists passng turkey and attacking. in the past we were always getting help from barzani forces. and u know what.. he was travelling world with turkish passport:D and asking turkey to make them a state of us. but now dunno why and how things changed and he is not saying good words against turkey:)

anyway. just wanted to say what mrs. first said are different from what it came in last posts. and a short summary to the sit. now from my side.

By SPEED• 27 Oct 2007 17:45
SPEED

I agree with Mrs .. Int'l Olympics has nothing to do with Human Rights issues in Qatar .... whatz happening in USA/ Europe/ China/ Iraq/ Afghanistan etc ... u bet no Country in the Earth is fulfilling Human Rights for their Nation ..

Qatar has right to qualify for the Int'l Olympics in 2016 ..

Mr. HumanBeing ... YOU CANNOT CLAP WITH ONE HAND ...CLAP WITH BOTH HANDS PLS

Mr. Speed

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By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 17:42
JhunBug

you haven't proven me wrong yet..

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 17:41
JhunBug

I said they learned their lessons on Discrimination.. u r the one who started the topic on wars.. read your postings..

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 17:35
Mrs.

You have a weak argument

I started it with discrimination & other issues. You claimed that america has learned lessons in ALL issues. I simply proved you wrong (and always will)

Go do more posotive reading :-)

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 17:31
Mrs.

:-)

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 17:30
JhunBug

Yes, I have a case MRS.. because you started this with DISCRIMINATION in America and you realized that you don't have a case on that one.. so You switch it to War.. and again you don't have a case, because they are not redeploying any smart bombs to Turkey.. its been there and the situation in Turkey is the Turkish govt.. against the Kurds and America is trying to stop Turkey..

By nib• 27 Oct 2007 17:21
nib

well this is funny but.. all those fireworks were just bec qatar applied for olympics 2016?:) i thought they got it:)

By dandy0510• 27 Oct 2007 17:18
dandy0510

i smell deep too under debate here..

i smell war.. hehe.

"Peace not war"

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 17:17
Mrs.

They have only smart bombs?

Are these the bombs they are redeploying in Turkey & provoking the Russians, and again the whole world is on the edge of a 3rd world war?

Speaking of the 60's, I also hope that America learned a lesson from Vietnam & stopped attacking/invading other countries (in Asia & middle east)

You have no case my friend. Whether it is the 60's or any time in history, America will always be the same. (they only change enimies..from Nazis to communists to muslims.....and on...and on...and on...they NEED to use the weapons they manufacture & they MUST creat an enemy)

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 17:13
JhunBug

Mrs, you will be blamed for bashing America because you're pointing finger again.. and the three finger is going your direction...

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 17:08
JhunBug

they started manufacturing smart bombs..

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 17:04
Mrs.

You are reading the fabricated side of history. The ONLY holocaust I know happened in Japan, by the Americans. Others are just ordinary world wars with ordinary casualties, using ordinary weapons. There is ABSOLUTELY no justification for using nuc's against people. Are you trying to tell me that every country that gets attacked has the right to use nuc's? Is this your idea of "fighting back". I think this is an act of a coward who can not win a war unless with weapons of mass destruction.

Yes war & discrimination are 2 different issues, but I was replying your:

'all the examples you mentioned happened decades ago and America learned from it'

You still haven't helped me in telling me about the lessons that America has learned from manufacturing, pocessing & using nucular weapons agains other nation (they are the ONLY country who did that, mind you)

Person, China has a human rights issue, it is still hosting the 2008 Olympics. China will have negative publicity regarding that issue, and it will deal with it. Any other country in the world has the right to be treated like the Chinese example. If they say that the spirit of sports has nothing to do with politics, then they should not relate political issues (such as human rights) to sports events. This is why everybody was blaming America in 1980 when they decided to boycott Moscow Olympics. They achieved nothing but provoking the Soviets & forcing them to boycott the 1984 LA olympics, causing a big damage to sports. Again this was an incidant initiated for the 1st time by the Americans. Will I be blamed now for "bashing" America?

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By namabiru• 27 Oct 2007 17:02
namabiru

Guys, all countries have their skeletons in the closet. Yes, America treated Japan badly with the Atomic Bomb. But Japan also did some horrendus things. So did Germany. America, to view this partially, still does terrible things to people.

If we want to get technical about bidding countries for 2016, Japan is still a human rights' violator. Yes, even today. Have you never heard of the Zainichi, or the Burakumin? Do you not know that there is a lot of discrimination toward people with physical or mental disabilities there? Do you realize that Filipino women are looked down upon because it is assumed they are dirty folk who do nasty gross things in snack bars to middle-aged salarymen? Do you know how gaikokujin (gaijin) in general are treated? There are very few laws which protect the rights of foreigners in Japan. Just like here. If you get into a car accident with a local, even if you're not at fault, it's still your fault for being there. Just like here.

Japan is one of my homes. My heart is in Japan, and I mentally spend a lot of time there still. I will never forget the kindness of my friends. But there's also a lot of bad crap that goes down in Japan. If someone doesn't fit the mold, even through no fault of their own, things are pretty bad for them. It's those things, some of which I heard of, some of which I experienced first-hand, which I prefer to forget.

So you cannot say that only Qatar has a problem. What happens with the migrant "third-class' construction workers here, and their treatment, very closely mirrors the way which 'third-class' women from the Philippines, or Romania, or wherever else, in Japan.

By Person• 27 Oct 2007 16:52
Person

Big in Japan :)

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 16:45
JhunBug

2016 Olympics will be in JAPAN anyway...hehehe

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 16:44
Mrs.

it all depends on your definition of hell & heaven.

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By Person• 27 Oct 2007 16:43
Person

How can it be that the Olympic bid has no relation to the current human rights situation in this country?

Of course it does.

Hypothetically, this bid could bring a lot of negative publicity for the problematic labour issues in Qatar; perhaps international disapproval would jolt the lawmakers to action?

That there are serious human rights issues in other countries is another issue altogether. Is the fact that others are doing something wrong a reason for you not to even try and do it right?

In every country where I have lived people encounter some kind of injustice, and everywhere there are those who are working towards the betterment of their society. Let us join them.

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 16:41
JhunBug

WAR and DISCRIMINATION are two different things.. get your fact straight.. again HISTORY 101.. Japan attacked America first.. they just fought back.. HOLOCAUST are Nazis killing the Jews.. come on Mrs.. read and learn so you can get your facts straight...

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 16:40
JhunBug

We all have problems in our countries & no one should point a finger at other countries.

But you keep on pointing finger to America.. so make up your mind.. and understand what you're talking about..

By nib• 27 Oct 2007 16:38
nib

i dont want to get into ur fight but attacking an army and throwing an atom bomb over people are not same..

By nib• 27 Oct 2007 16:30
nib

hehe nowadays us wudnt redeploy any weapons against russia but maybe against turkey:)

and also i hear from people.. oh turkey is 50 km inside iraq borders.. come ooon. us army is there for 5 years and killed over 1 million civils there. and we have troops there for over 20 years:)

so these world is so unfair. or the ones who are ruling are so.. cuz a country like qatar can be shown like heaven to others or a beautiful country may be shown as hell..:)

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 16:27
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anonymous

Money is like growing on trees for the arabs.... Constructing an underground stadium and hosting the Midnight race for the MOto Gp

Just money..... But where are the workers , low income expats, not able to save much.... Distanced geographically between the west and east.... More frustration.... More angst...More terror.... More violence......

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 16:22
Mrs.

about the leasons that "America has learned" from manufacturing, pocessing & using (against Japan) nucular weapons?

I am a very old & simple person & my memory has stopped in the 60's as you said and I need your assistance in informing me of what America is doing these days? I hope it learned a good lesson that nucular weapons can cause human tragedies (holocausts). I hope it destroyed all its nuc's & emptied its stores/camps. I hope it is not redeploying any new weapons in Turkey & NOT provoking Russia.

Please tell me all the above is true!

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By JhunBug• 27 Oct 2007 16:11
JhunBug

I don't know what country you're from but YOU keep on bashing AMERICA about discrimination, all the examples you mentioned like BLACK slavery happened decades ago and America learned from it. I don't know where your American history ended, but looked like you stopped in the 1960's

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 16:04
Mrs.

nib

Qatar did not get the olympics so far!

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By nib• 27 Oct 2007 16:01
nib

yea there are not much human rights in here. or not for everyone. and in many countries also.

but let me tell u how qatar got the olympics.. bec here are huge investments. and olympics will help them make more money. or let them see the results or whatever. and it will be a really good advertisement that will be equal for millions of dollars, for qatar and for all those hotel owners and others..

so it is just business.. not any spirit.

they wudnt give olympics to qatar if qatar was doing all these by itself. and probably they wud have the excuse that 'there s no human rights in qatar' .

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 15:50
Mrs.

I must get it in your head somehow:

Every country in the world has its own problems. That does not give you the right to accuse Qatar of not being qualified to host an int'l event just because some labor are not getting their rights.

Working on improving a record in labor rights has nothing to do with the ability of hosting an int'l event. As Qatari said, China is hosting the 2008 Olympics although it has a human rights issue, someone said something about Nazi Germany hosting the Olympics, I said the America hosted it in 1984 despite America's record in many issues, SO....and read my lips: QATAR HAS ALL THE RIGHT IN HOSTING THE 2016 OLYMPICS NO MATTER WHAT ISSUES YOU THINK SHOULD PREVENT IT FROM THAT

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 15:49
skdkak closed 1708224867

I am so relaxed to know atleast you know we are talking about your species... now its only to be becided what sub species are you in animal kingdom - there are 2 choices at this moment.. camel and dog (dog has byatch too - female gender).

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By adey• 27 Oct 2007 15:47
adey

"An ad hominem attack must focus on the sources of the argument rather than on the argument itself. Those sources might be the person making the argument, or other targets originating the argument or somehow associated with it."

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 15:41
Mrs.

I only used your "filthy" words! that's all! So how cheap can you be?

Now you want to involve dogs? Are they related to donkeys? Family bonds?

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 15:34
anonymous

You are right of course but his slagging goes on and on and his post was still accusing Qatar.

Although there is the mention from him he is 100% pushing for Human Rights he is deneying this to anyone who confronts him in QL.

Don't forget the discussion of the "Airport Muslim or not".

Please don't forget that this site has now multi national readers, the above post gives Doha bad publicity and is not necessary in conjunction with the Olympic Games this is my whole point. However, as he said my brain is too small to think further.

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 15:33
skdkak closed 1708224867

I dont have to be so cheap in my language.. Ur language shows who is who..and do not talk about my upbringing.. ur upbringing is seen all over QL.

Barking dogs seldom bite.

You are trying to proove something.... you keep barking. you are trying to proove u are a XXXXXXXX ,, bigger than we have met in QL till date.

Dont you talk about souq.. If people visiting souq from years were not in your country toiling in hot sand, you would still be riding a camel.

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

{swearing in this site is strictly prohibited. Kindly clean up your act}

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 15:27
Mrs.

i think that your filthy upbringing that has given you this amazingly stupid & donkeyish personality. No wonder the kids ride you in souq waqif :-)

You should care about animal rights. Leave human rights to humans

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 15:25
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where are you... need any more clarifications and proof of ur illitracy.. ???

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By t_coffee_or_me• 27 Oct 2007 15:25
t_coffee_or_me

i know but ...Some times its wise to keep quite then to have an argument

If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 15:22
skdkak closed 1708224867

good jokes... but cant make this topic a cool one. its boiling like santa's water.

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 15:20
skdkak closed 1708224867

u are talking abt truth..

did u chk ur filthy editions... half of it from my one post and the balance half from my other post..

Its behind near TATA showroom..

Canary: she is fired fm job recently bcos of u know ... incompetency.. pity her. dont fight.. let her go to school and come back.

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 15:20
anonymous

For me it is about the games and slagging and complaining and not offering any remedies to the ailing situation.

Doha is bidding for the games and the labourere issue has abosulutely nothing to to with it.

This issue has been on many threads and all the information that I have received I have put this on QL.

Leave the games and one issue and the labourers another issue

By t_coffee_or_me• 27 Oct 2007 15:18
t_coffee_or_me

Santa: today I made a fool of water?

Banta: how did you do that?

Santa: I heated some water for a bath and bathed with cold water

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Santa: My wife is still scared of water

Banta: how come?

Santa: yesterday when i went home,

she was in the bath tub with the security guard!!

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Santa to his wife: darling, years ago u had a figure like coke bottle.

Jeeto: yes darling i still do, only differnece is earlier it was 300mlnow it's 1.5 ltr.

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banta: you cheated me.

shopkeeper: no, i sold a good radio to you.

banta: radio label shows made in japan but radio says this is all indiaradio!

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nurse: congrats santa, you are a father.

santa: don't tell my wife, i want to surprise her!

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Everybody was angry with the hike in petrol prices

Santa: Sir, why are you so angry?

Sir: The petrol price is increasing day-by-day, this is not fair.

Santaji, you don't look worried?

Santa: Why should i worry. For me it is the same price.

Sir: how come?

Santa: Earlier also i filled for Rs 100 now also i fill for rs 100!

Sir: ???????????

If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 15:16
Mrs.

it is not my problem if you can't handle the truth or you are not being able to understand post and start imagining things.

You need to improve your abilities my friend.

A lot of people know me for being fair & respectful if they respect themselves, once they start to be nassty, I start holding the mirror in their faces

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 15:15
skdkak closed 1708224867

You are not only silly but a big ILLITRATE on this QL.

You know how to read something in a particular context... read what i said.. u seem to be an junior film editor (EX.) and have been fired from the job b'cos of ur filthy editting work.

Here it goes....""I did not comment about Qatar cannot or shoud not host 2016 Olympic. These are two different issues at hand"""

You still cannot understant it.. go to Qxford english language tutorial on Salva Road.. PM me and I will guide you how to reach there.

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By t_coffee_or_me• 27 Oct 2007 15:15
t_coffee_or_me

The topic has been swept under the carpet isee a cat fight now

If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 15:15
anonymous

Leave him alone you can continue slagging with me this is what you like and are used to.

Politics is not your game and "Be strong but not arrogant", this is yours if you post it then you should take this to heart.

By Mohd_auh• 27 Oct 2007 15:14
Mohd_auh

Shall we change our topic and not discuss about QATAR

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 15:10
Mrs.

you said:

I did not comment about Qatar

and you said:

it was still democratic than what Qatar is after so many centuries

make up you mind, will you?

Did you or did you not comment about Qatar?

By Mohd_auh• 27 Oct 2007 15:09
Mohd_auh

Looks like this topic for discussion is never going to end.

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 15:09
anonymous

you are always on a personal slagging vendetta you insult people who you have no idea who or what they are and you have the biggest chip on your shoulder that I have ever experienced. Not worth even commenting you comments

By Mohd_auh• 27 Oct 2007 15:05
Mohd_auh

It's not like that, this is only a discussion and we have to be clear enough to ourselves.

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 15:04
anonymous

It is just slagging Qatar again about Human Rights issues.

I wish everyone would understand that this is a young country and improving every day many foreigners are contributing to this improvement and have suffered to get things improved even the Qataris themselves are being confronted with changes they never would have believed but all are still motivated.

The bid for the Games is good for Qatar it will gain on international importance no matter what our petty grievances are - finally this is about the development of this country.

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 15:04
Mrs.

if you think that I am only interested in insults.

You need to water you tiny brain & help it grow, read my words again, do not point a finger at countries like Qatar that is trying its best to follow the right track.

We all have problems in our countries & no one should point a finger at other countries.

I was discussing things reasonably with other other members until you started your drunken post

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 14:59
skdkak closed 1708224867

She needs a thrill in life which she might not have got from a long time. Well said, she needs a break.

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 14:59
anonymous

Don't you have a personal opinion you have to agree with a person who insults others it is his game. Take a look at Human Rights in your own country without getting involved in othere countries - there is enough there to improve - don't you think??

Do you know about the plight and have you made any thoughts to help? No surely not. Cool and fun loving just don't get in to deep.

Politics is for politicians and if you interfere here you can find yourself back in India don't get into a band of boys with a chip on their shoulders there are others here who enjoy and benefit from Qatar.

Mrs. thrives on insulting and speaking through a hole in his hat.

This is about the Olympic Games which will bring a lot of foreigners work here if the get it. I support their endeavour.

By Mohd_auh• 27 Oct 2007 14:56
Mohd_auh

Looks you took this topic seriously, chill Mrs...

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 14:56
skdkak closed 1708224867

I did not comment about Qatar cannot or shoud not host 2016 Olympic. These are two different issues at hand.

Why should the two be mixed?

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 14:55
Mrs.

but with civilized people only

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 14:50
Mrs.

that still doesn't make you bright in reading & understanding posts.

Since you have not corrected your past claims, I insist that you were pointing a finger at Qatar, no matter how much you deny it

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By Mohd_auh• 27 Oct 2007 14:50
Mohd_auh

That's true, we have to learn with our mistakes, if we staop trying how can we life simply without anything?

By t_coffee_or_me• 27 Oct 2007 14:48
t_coffee_or_me

i told u refrain from personal attack cant u put your point across like a civilized person

If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 14:48
Mrs.

I am 100% with pushing into improving the rights of foriegn labor here. But that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with denying the right of Qatar in hosting the olympics.

We take lessons from the past. This is why I compare.

The history of America is very disgusting (specially when it comes to Japan) and can never be better than the past & present of Qatar, no matter how much "democracy" you think america has

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 14:47
anonymous

Don't make a comment to me like that again - I know who you are, I am the last person to point a finger at Doha which is something you misread, quite the opposite I support Doha with my whole heart. Seems to me you don't understand a word I wrote this whole thread is a circus in my opinion.

Why do all these people who are complaining about the Human Rights here not help and do something - it is easy to complain but much more difficult to get up and help.

Too many people complain about Doha and the Human Rights, but it is everyones duty to help if there is an injustice, I personally have read this on many threads and always blaming the Qatar when many of the culprits are not from Qatar.

Again this has nothing to do with the bid for the Olympic Games and some people take one story to cover another.

By Mohd_auh• 27 Oct 2007 14:43
Mohd_auh

Yes Mrs. I agree with you

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 14:42
Mrs.

and start accusing them of things they didn't say, and you fail to realize it, then you are the biggest clown in this circus

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 14:40
skdkak closed 1708224867

Why are you so particular to compare everything American.. and that too what happend there few hunderd years back. Why not discuss whatz happening now and here.

You still want to compare , remember during the time blacks in US were considered less humans than others it was still democratic than what Qatar is after so many centuries.

Think of labours who just earn between 500-1000 QR per month here and dont make it a political topic.

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By t_coffee_or_me• 27 Oct 2007 14:36
t_coffee_or_me

cool down why do u always get upset so fast stick to the topic like a grown up dont make it circus

If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 14:34
Mrs.

I think you need thick glasses to read what I wrote.

YOU ARE pointing a finger to Doha, not me

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 14:31
Rating: 2/5
Mrs.

I think that being involved in int'l events, and applying int'l laws, regulations & standards in hosting & executing those int'l events, will all help Qataris & other expats to be more familiar in int'l labor rights & will help this young country (Qatar) take a huge step towards the cosmopolitian world. You can lock & punish an infant for not behaving properly and cause all the damage you can, and you can take that infant by the hand to a playground and have him/her participate where other infants & grown ups (even those with a bad history) are playing (somewhat) fairly.

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 14:27
Rating: 2/5
anonymous

Why do people connect one thing to another, looking back in near history China was one of the countries violating Human Rights the most -they still were give the opportunity to proove themselves.

There are many other countries who have been granted the Olympic Games with an extremely bad track record on Human Rights why start pointing a finger at Doha.

Ok they have made a bid does this give everyone the right to accuse the country of Human Rights violations - if you all feel so strongly then help those poor people for whom you have such strong sympathies - two factors here talking and doing all I see here is talking.

One great thing would be not to support the black sheep in the manpower industry.

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 14:09
anonymous

My Confession Booth is open for you on American History and politics lessons.

The Red Pope of Qatar Living

Abba, Abba, Padre!

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 14:06
Rating: 3/5
Mrs.

The point is, as long as there are countries (like america) that have managed to 'get away' with it, then Qatar has all the right to host the olympics, and it can think about improving its record in labor rights, in the coming decades.

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 13:57
anonymous

The Comment is the Bid for the Olympics in Doha and their civil rights track record for Qatar.

Not the Olympics in China.

The Red Pope of Qatar Living

Abba, Abba, Padre!

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 13:50
anonymous

There is no comparison between China and Qatar especially where human rights are concerned, there are more Chinese incarcerated for year for expressing an opinion.

The plight of the labourers here has nothing to do directly with the Human Rights Commission although they are called upon to clear the differences which ar created by irresponsble sponsors selling their visas to irresponsible manpower agents all of who are making a quick penny.

There is also the health commission involved here because sicknesses/ diseases which are now emerging due to the lack of hygiene, so there is a lot more involved in this just now.

It is much more important to know facts before discussing them, many of the labourers were not paid their salaries so they went on strike. To go on strike is illegal, but they had no money and no food - the construction companies are responsible for this, then again they did not process residence permits for the labourers the story goes on and on.

The manpower agencies take on people for whom there is no work and often leave new labourers stranded atthe airport.

The list of details and accusationns concerning the labourers plight is endless - some people are trying to help and not just mouthing off here of QL.

My point is get all the facts straight and then start mouthing, and do please remember you too are a guest in Qatar.

The points in this thread have been gone over and over and yet even on QL I see Nepalese manpower agencies trying to find business partners. Many are already banned but new ones pop up all the time

By HumanBeing• 27 Oct 2007 13:50
HumanBeing

The question is – are you a follower of bad examples or are you a leader? If you are a follower of bad examples – you are nothing because those examples were set decades back by many – so there is nothing special about you.

Will you ever not teach your children because many are not tought in other countries?!? Think about all as your family, if you are a member of a global village. Otherwise, its hypocrisy – don’t lecture me on values and freedom!

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 13:40
Mrs.

that america is a leader in discrimination issues!

Remember the 'black slaves'? Not allowed to vote? Not allowed to get education? Not allowed in buses, restaurants...etc? Not allowed to stand up for their rights and asked to be treated like humans? Remember the KKK?

Did any country, the UN, Security Council, Olympic Committy, UNESCO, Human Rights organizations...etc, impose any sanctions on America for treating its black people in this ugly manner?

Need I also talk about 'the Manhatan project' in 'Los Almos' in Mexico? 'Openhiemer's deadly toy'?

Need I talk about 'Holywood's black list' which included people in the film industry being SUSPECTED to be communists?

Who is better than who, in human rights?

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By knoxcollege• 27 Oct 2007 13:08
knoxcollege

At least in China whenever the culprits come to trial they are given capital punishments. I was following a story in China in which the labourers were chained and held hostage and forced to do work. When their plight surfaced the Government took swift action and now the convicts are waiting to be hanged.

We should also mention that the laws in China do not favor any particular race or should I say the foreigners do not have SPECIAL LAWS for them like in Qatar.

In China whenever a crime is reported the police and the Government take action and justice is served.

The problem here is that the laws are made to restrain the foreigners and giving the employer unlimited power and we all know how corruptive power can be. I dont think China has NOC or exit permit or the employer's permission to buy a car, to open an account to get driving license, to start a business.

So Qatari there is a vast difference between China and the middle east.

No doubt that human right abuses take place in China as well but the laws do not favour the employers.

By Mrs.• 27 Oct 2007 13:04
Mrs.

"Be strong but not arrogant

Be modest but not weak"

S.H

By QHell• 27 Oct 2007 12:56
QHell

Only Love & Respect of Others Make us Human.

===========================================

No spin.

Humanbeing is right. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

By flipw• 27 Oct 2007 12:45
Rating: 3/5
flipw

yeah China in 2008.....

.....and a Nazi Germany led by Adolf Hitler hosted the summer olympics in 1936

By skdkak closed 1708224867• 27 Oct 2007 12:37
skdkak closed 1708224867

This topic is already in QL... chk this

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/42734#comment-190353

..**.. ""They walk among us. They vote & they even reproduce"" ..**..

By anonymous• 27 Oct 2007 12:29
anonymous

I don't want to undermine the importance workers rights and labour conditions (Keep Left!) but dude, the next Olympics is in China...

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By knoxcollege• 27 Oct 2007 12:11
knoxcollege

its an irony that we claim to be ready for hosting the Olympics and we havent yet granted people their basic rights. We have forgotten the true meaning of Olympics and we are focusing on constructing multistorey buildings and stadiums. we want to enslave people and put them in golden cages but we forget that human spirit cannot be slaved.

The sooner we realize this the better as the alternatives paths to freedom are very painstaking and full of sacrifices

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