Attitude problem for 2022 World Cup

jamalx
By jamalx

How ironic.........

It's a funny thing that some people through this forum, who a few days ago, were such blind ardent supporters of the World Cup bid have turned almost 180 degrees against it overnight! I don’t blame them, that’s why I had to just keep quiet and let those poor souls go about their praises and also their sweet words saying that hosting a WORLD CUP is a much deserved RIGHT and an attainable ABILITY!!! This does not mean that I am against the country for God knows it that I love it and respect it as much and even more than my own country and I solemnly from the bottom of my heart wish the country excels and develops to become a more developed and advanced nation .

The reasons both pros and cons, (I will not bore you out!) have already been discussed many a time and they are copious. Be it in logistics or weather conditions or even the scale and strain on the economy. I am only pointing out to only ONE ISSUE! And I am not the one to judge wether the bid should go or not go, or if it is right or not! Through this, I will try to be as objective as possible! I am not a professional analyst in any discipline, yet from the vantage point of the common man it is not hard to fathom the task at hand. Positive attitude and optimism alone doesn’t deliver but it is careful and sure steps and watching over others mistakes and your seniors’ advice that might give you that wanted boost in which any individual would want to achieve in order to succeed.

I will try here to converse about a much ignored and lightly mentioned aspect about the ability to host the WORLD CUP vis-à-vis the attitude of the people towards it. Like I earlier highlighted I am not a local but I have lived here all my life and in fact, I am pleased to mention that I am honored with actually befriending and making acquaintances with some of the “people”. But then there is that, umm what’s the word, yes…. “Bunch” who are in some way, preoccupied in their heaven of “Air-Headedness” and “Virtual Superiority” sadly the later one is almost made real!

I had not been to the match (Thank God!) but I had been fed with witness accounts of the situation that was going on in the stadium in the Brazil versus Argentina match. It is natural to expect such a scenario with the world’s two biggest national teams playing. And again I am not surprised! I am fully aware of what goes on and the fiasco of "crowd management" techniques that is usually employed by the authorities on the assumption that a “certain type of people” are uneducated and uncivilized and not of a “certain type of people”, thereby they constitute a lesser class of people. Funny it is that those same type of people that are the ones who have a pivotal role in the country. SADLY I fall into that category of “certain type of people” and as such I had to be assumed that I could be prodded like cattle and talked to quite rudely by the “men in charge”. The following is an account of a situation that I have faced not too long ago.

It was the final of the Emir Cup and anticipating a large crowd I had already bought my tickets in one of the malls and went early to the stadium. I went to the gate nearest to my seat after struggling for about 2 hours to find a parking and also not to mention getting into a heated argument with a “guy” in a huge SUV (NOTE He was behind me!) about the fact he first “eye-balled” the vacant parking spot before me even though I was before him (and yes I won the argument!). I was welcomed by a large gathering of people on the premises gate. And of course the riot horse that nearly ran down my friend! I joined the crowd in the hope that it was a queue waiting for the check-in. I noticed the line or rather the cluster of people was not getting any smaller on the contrary it was actually getting bigger....I went to the front of the line (of course by politely asking the people around me if they could excuse me!) and spoke to the one in charge of the gate. I asked him in English what the problem was and all he could respond me back in his limited English words was "Wait ya rafiiki!", I went back to my position and waited maybe thinking this was some kind of a small setback, and then all of a sudden I see this "bunch of guys" cutting the line, landing a few kisses to the cheeks of the one in charge and then with all ease let them in, I ignored and then moments later the scene was repeated with another "bunch of guys". I couldn’t take it anymore, so I went to the front again and asked what that was that all about to the man in charge, when he responded me in the same response I had spoken to him in Arabic and let him have a piece of my mind (of course I wasn’t being offensive and even spoke softly without shouting at him!) and I asked if I could be provided with a reason as to why I am being held back for no reason. I believe because of my almost perfect Qatari accent I and my friend were let in, and I felt sad for those who were standing with me and wouldn’t able to converse in Arabic or just wait for an opportunity to enter.

Things got worse inside, a certain “bunch of guys” who had been sitting above us were spitting sunflower seeds and placing their feet on our seats. I politely asked them if they could remove their “lovely and honorable” feet off the seats so I and my friend could sit. But because we were of a certain “color” type we were hurled with insults and even bad mouthed with several “beautiful” phrases and terms thinking we never understood what they were saying. I spoke to the elder one of these “Guys” and told him to have a little dignity and respect and summoned the event police present in the stand. His reaction was almost priceless when he told me with the utmost ease to look for another seat!

I am fully aware of the apparent “special treatment” and also the societal attitude of the environs here, and I am sorry to say, that is never conducive for a multi-cultural setup that is the WORLD CUP! Yes, a meaningful debater might add by saying that, there are good and bad people everywhere, but it is not about good or bad, it’s about pushing your comfort zone in order to accommodate and compromise the exceptional hospitality norms here in the beautiful Middle Eastern culture. Mind you my topic ONLY elaborated on the attitudes and perception that is prevalent here and that many like me and others have to endure. I believe and know that it takes a lot of hard work in order to be honored with hosting such events, but despondently it seems like here the case is that it should encompass a divine miracle for the extravaganza that is the WORLD CUP to be executed smoothly here!

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By gtrman• 20 Dec 2010 18:26
gtrman

ayo bro.... well thought out and well said.... you sir are a gifted speech writer!

kinda sad the inevitable and pathetic reality has set on ya so im guessing u must be beefed up....anyways lets all pray for the best...

personally i was indifferent to the bid,

again well said man!

By anonymous• 1 Dec 2010 07:38
anonymous

Raven,"expect amazing...amounts of money to be spent on this bid & the tournament." is what it actually says...they just shortened it for convenience...never mind the fact that it's grammatically incorrect...seriously,who approves these things?...

By Raven1968• 1 Dec 2010 07:34
Raven1968

cut what out s_isale? Chill out mate this is the topic of the moment!

By s_isale• 1 Dec 2010 07:19
s_isale

why dont you just cut it out Raven and wait for the next 34 hours. all things said, its still a mystery who is going to get the 2018 and 2022 bids

By Raven1968• 1 Dec 2010 06:53
Raven1968

but hang on Gadarene we are told "Expect Amazing"...don't you believe the bid committee when they say this? LoL

By anonymous• 30 Nov 2010 21:54
anonymous

@ jamalx,once again,summed up lock, stock & barrel...thank you mate...it will be a sad day for the game of football if these guys win this bid based on their deep pockets because really that is ALL they bring to the table...

By nadinenana• 30 Nov 2010 16:08
nadinenana

i hear what you're saying, and thank you for pointing everything out

ya Qhris-you seem very logical and wise-thanks for not falling into Flo's trap...she doesn't seem to get it...(now watch me get attacked for that observation lol)....btw, is anyone going to the souk to watch the bid announcement on Thursday? i came here to find out if anyone knew the timing of the announcement...

thanks,

N

By anonymous• 30 Nov 2010 15:38
anonymous

I think this thread should be closed after what Jamalx just posted; that was the best thing I have read on this website in a very long time.

Thoughtful, unbiased and carefully written, I think it closes the chapter on this thread. There is nothing to argue with Jamalx about; he addressed good and bad, positive and negative.

Jamalx, sadly I fear the puppets will appear and through more senseless baiting will force you to further defend your stance, but you shouldn't bother; everyone with a brain can see that you exhausted your emotion on an excellent and debate ending 2 Part reply.

Amazing, I mean that sincerely.

By jamalx• 30 Nov 2010 12:53
jamalx

I could go on and on, and apparently that would mean deviating from the topic. I would not make much of an impact. And so I shall return to the “attitude”.

Judging by the entries of most the commentators on my post I could probably assume that most of them except for a select few actually know what is the prevalent “attitude”. In short they are not content with it. Yes they say it would bring about loads of good, but they feel the bad will definitely outweigh it all. In fact they feel bad for how it is now due to the apparent looks of “invading foreigners”, taking everything from jobs to residential areas. Changing cultural norms and other factors that were quite alien (for e.g.: cannibalism of laborers!) not too long ago are a point of major concern for them.

In fact I am lucky to have some of them as close friends who admit that the country would come to a standstill if it weren’t for these foreigners, but yet as they say in a popular Bedouin saying “everything that exceeds its limits, becomes sour!”. I happen to spend a lot of time conversing with them (but naturally I have no say and I am only enquiring with them when I ask them!).

Just a few days ago I was sitting in my neighbor’s Majlis tent and I rose up the issue. My neighbor’s friend commented by saying “May Allah protect us and our country!” and he had the cheerless look on his face and said “…..we really don’t know what to do. But all I can say is we hope it brings good and we shall face the bad.” They know the limits and capabilities available and the possible hardships and anti-social phenomena that might be resultant from the influx of people.

“Preferential treatment on queues”, “speeding land cruiser flashing lights from behind”, etc: these although minor are not helping. The landscape and skyline may change overnight but the cultural norms and also placate zone of the people here including the “attitude” leaves a lot to be doubted about.

I am sorry but apparently it’s obvious for those who are supporting the bid of the likes of some of those I mentioned have not been here long enough and only arrived here just a while ago to not miss and love Qatar for what it was. A true gem in the Middle East, the pearl of the Middle East in which it was so conveniently placed right in the middle. You would probably support the bid because you would probably leave the country when things would get (ultimately) messy, and not really appreciate this country for its real pleasant and characteristic charm that it was known for (sadly I would even contemplate relocation if things go haywire!) I hope through this reply I am not demonstrating my reluctance to change. I believe everything someday and someway will change and so will the country. But I sincerely hope it isn’t by aping others and being more and something unlike what it is and was! I am again highlighting that I will not be surprised if they do get it, (with FIFA being such a sarcastically honest organization!) but I really hope there are some real human beings in that organization who would think that it takes a lot more than money to have a credible World Cup event!

I would end my reply with a saying that I remember from a former British expatriate who was our neighbor long time ago. I remember him saying to my father, that this place was losing the reason why he loved it in the first place when he came in the early 1980’s. If it’s a question of aping foreign culture and westernization then I might as well go back to my country.

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By jamalx• 30 Nov 2010 12:53
jamalx

WARNING: - the author of this thread does give a toss about any individual lamenting about this post and to those complaining about the repetitive nature of the topic and also for those who hurl their fly-by comments about whether to wait till December 2nd.

@Genesis....

I am sorry but I think you are of the opinion that I am supporting the bid. Sad to bring to you but I am not because I can think not because I am a puppet as rightfully and ironically you put it correctly.

I have read the findings report on the FIFA website, and I must say on the Qatar report, as objective as the author is supposed to be, was hinting towards cynicism in the linguistic setup of the report. Anyone who can read between the lines can note that. Because of the radical change it would have in what is perceived as the expected norms for a host nation of the World Cup.

Forgive me all for I will deviate from the topic at hand for a little while. For the benefit and awareness of the blind supporters and the “Puppets” of the bid, for whatever reasons that you are supporting. Let me break it down to you on what has been stressed about in the report.

• Concepts that are generally taken such as city headquarters for national teams will be abolished, meaning there will be only one headquarters for the teams and thereby (although beneficial for transport and logistics) might prove to be a nightmare in space, mobility, and various other complications arising from such confined compact spaces.

• 3 to 4 games a day in a radius of 20kms within Doha. Major (MAJOR) security and crowd management issues. We are talking about 80,000 people attending and also about 100,000 people in the so called “fan zone” areas. If you do the math that’s more than half a million people reveling around the city and also attending the matches. Hmmm what about the rest of the people. I leave your imagination to include the rest of the people, authorities and volunteers, citizens, residents, oh yeah… and cats (don’t forget the cats!) etc, etc, :

• Most of the structures and buildings are sure to be “White Elephants” when they are used up after the world cup.

• Various technologies and the transport situation (although it was illustrated when the delegation came) are still in design stage and also are difficult to engage in operational testing for a World Cup scenario because of non adequate figure of people here in Qatar to test it.

• Single point of entry (New Doha Airport), which is also a major concern for FIFA

• Infrastructural and civic preparedness towards the excess inflow of people converging in the city. Now of course the city in the mean time will be growing, (according to “Statistical dept of the urban development authority” estimates vary up to a further 4 million people by 2020. NOW……let’s see what that translates to!

The current population density is about 123 per km2 …..(And yet we complain of overcrowding!) By 2020 that figure will go up to 5 fold. So that is give and take about 615 per sqkm2. Ok now that’s just the people here. Now give and take from pervious world cups, rough assumption would mean about 2.5 to 4 million EXTRA people. That means a further (approx 500 people per km2) now all of them mostly to be concentrating on the city and its limits. That means compounding the overcrowding situation. Don’t forget the “un-natural onslaught” bulk of people who will come because of the PR of the country bid as a residence destination and to those arriving from all over in order to commit to the projects and the like.

Major YIKES!!

By anonymous• 23 Nov 2010 19:38
anonymous

@ genesis,i explicitly said on my posts on the Commonwealth games that for the first time in my life,"i was ashamed to be Indian" because of the fiasco that the run-up to the games was causing,from which angle do you interpret that as "ridiculously defensive"??? the rest of what i said was SPECIFICALLY directed toward certain posters or rather certain nationalities using that fiasco as an excuse to insult my country as a whole,there's a difference there...once again you seem to be drifting away from the topic & confusing me for someone who is denying the giant strides this country has made in the past decade or so...i'm the guy who doesn't think Qatar should host the World Cup because of it's conservative nature & the climatic conditions @ the time of the tournament,end of story...God doesn't give everyone everything,so what you get is the world's 2nd or 3rd largest natural gas reserves & the resulting billions from it's sale...what you don't get is a broad/open minded culture/mindset & nice weather most of the year round...that went to other parts of the world,who didn't get all this gas & 300,000 people to share all the wealth from it...you win some,you lose some...suck it up & deal with it...

By anonymous• 22 Nov 2010 23:01
anonymous

@ Qhris,someone needs to wash their mouth out eh?,smells of arse! talk about foot in mouth syndrome! *wink*!!!

By anonymous• 22 Nov 2010 13:48
anonymous

Think its clear who the puppets are in this thread, 'dance dance dance, dance for your masters, shush don't say, a single word against them'.

By flor1212• 22 Nov 2010 13:28
flor1212

and they will label us again as ...............! Used to these kind of people! No future at all!

By genesis• 22 Nov 2010 13:21
genesis

Spare me your bull****, you were all ridiculously defensive on the "commonwealth games" threads and no one denied you that. That makes you not credible to make a comment :)

I've written dozen of times, I don't care whether we win or lose the bid. In fact many Qataris share the same sentiment.

If it wasn't for the climate issue, I'd say we'll win it hands down. Qatar have pledged to spend 50 billion $ on the next decade over education , health & infrastructure whether we won or lost the bid. And that what matters

And yes, this country have achieved a lot in less than 12 years and can certainly achieve more in the years to come

By ex.ex.expat• 22 Nov 2010 13:00
ex.ex.expat

Don't delude yourself that just because people don't back the bid 100% means they don't care about Qatar. It could be the opposite.

One question: what makes you think people on this thread are "puppets"? Seems an odd choice of words.

By anonymous• 22 Nov 2010 11:58
anonymous

@ genesis, not all the "puppets on this thread" claim to have "any concern for the progress of this country" mate so please don't generalize...we're discussing issues realted to this country hosting the FIFA World Cup in 2022. period. You're spot on about the 2nd bit though,we don't support this bid because we don't take you seriously but i should point out here that i wouldn't take ANY country with the religious & cultural sensibilities of a conservative nation coupled with 50 deg. cent. heat & 85% plus humidity in the summer seriously in their bid to host this tournament,so please don't take this personally,if my country India had the same religious & cultural sensibilities & had an extreme summer climate like here & bid for the World Cup,i would oppose that bid in the same way & with the same reasons that i have stated here...i've mentioned it before mate but i feel the need to point it out again,you seem like an educated,well-read person,surely you understand that having the highest GDP on the planet for the past some years thanks to your vast natural resources alone is not going to get you respect on the international stage,that respect has to be earned NOT bought...contrary to popular belief,not everything is for sale to the highest bidder,fair enough?...

By genesis• 22 Nov 2010 10:43
genesis

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By anonymous• 22 Nov 2010 10:40
anonymous

ya'll chek it out.. even adam likes ths...

By adam_45• 22 Nov 2010 10:35
adam_45

Well said my friend!!!

By anonymous• 22 Nov 2010 10:05
anonymous

whether it is a win or loose, doesn't matter... but yea... Qatar is of some tough competition..to all of'em out there.

wotsay jamal and genesis..?

By flor1212• 22 Nov 2010 09:30
flor1212

just wait for the decision!

By genesis• 22 Nov 2010 08:01
Rating: 2/5
genesis

none of the puppets in this thread has any concern for the progress of this country. so you might be addressing the wrong audience as the only reason they don't support the bid (as proven many times in their posts) is because they don't take our country seriously.

Again, it's less than two weeks and the host country will be announced. Given all the latest reports, Qatar has the slightest chance of winning.

so, don't sweat it ;)

By anonymous• 22 Nov 2010 07:57
anonymous

Jeez is it December 2nd yet so this nonsense can end?

By Vegas• 22 Nov 2010 03:18
Vegas

Your english is better than mine...

By ex.ex.expat• 22 Nov 2010 01:51
ex.ex.expat

"In short this country is best and loved for what it is a good clean and simple place to be. I love the country for what it is and was."

Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1452254#ixzz15xZewNpo

I feel the same way and in fact have said many times I don't understand why Qatar feels the need to aspire to be something other than it always has been: a small, safe, religiously conservative country where most people have a nice lifestyle. I'm not sure things that will bring a dramatic change to any of those factors is really worth it, no matter how much wealth they have.

One last note: getting the bid also means an increase in the horrendous exploitation of Asian labourers with even greater disregard for their rights because Qatar will be under the gun to get things done by 2022.

By jamalx• 22 Nov 2010 01:26
jamalx

(@ polkadots) I appreciate your point of view, but here comes the main question. You have pointed out that that you are behind the bid, and then you highlighted all the obstacles or rather the mountains of difficulties that have to be surpassed in order to achieve success…… hmm I am rather confused it seems you have contradicted yourself.

To be honest I won’t be surprised either way if Qatar gets the bid or not. For as it was exposed recently, about the insincerity and also the susceptibility of FIFA towards corruption, knows no bounds. I remember once listening to a radio program in Alkass sport channel in my car once, and the program was talking about the bid and its likeliness to succeed, one person (I really don’t know who he was) but apparently was someone related to the bureaucracy of the bid association said that “FIFA just like any association is an association of people, and people sometimes work on emotions. So it is important we display and also show the right courteous nature in order to SHOW THEM what we are capable of!” hmmm….. I know there won’t be a problem as far as I know especially with “endless possibilities and funding”. It’s funny how people put stuff into words and make it less impious. But then who am I to judge?!

It seems everyone is talking about the impact in the positive sense like it would increase business and bring about overseas talent, cultural exchange, development of infrastructure and brisk economic activity etc: but what about the other side of the balance, especially to the ones who might not be so rich and are may be going to be living here for some time? Remember the Asian Games? Congestion both traffic and also pedestrian, pollution, price rise in almost all commodities, strain on the economy, sudden population rise and possible vice activities. I could go on and on. I am not a pessimist but more of a realist with a hint of optimism I think it would be really cumbersome. I guess some of the major sponsors such as the beer company “Budweiser” and various other enterprises might have an issue when it comes to hosting and sponsoring the event. “Attitude” in that regard would be ummm……what’s the word, “difficult”. Women walking alone are still a hard concept to swallow lest she is with her female friends or family. And don’t forget about the attires worn by the tourists. Seriously do we expect that all of those people would have a crash course on the norms and the dos and don’ts of the country?

In short this country is best and loved for what it is a good clean and simple place to be. I love the country for what it is and was. I am saddened that would change and it would change its lovable character…… and the “attitude” doesn’t help this either!!!

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By jamalx• 22 Nov 2010 01:24
jamalx

I would try to reply to one and all who had commented to my post, and please QLers, let’s try to discuss the topic at hand and not go off board (@ flor and Qchris....guys relax!)....I would instead like to have your opinions on the issue!

Ok here goes……

Ok now for those of you who might have not got the topic at hand its ATTITUDE and PERCEPTION and not about the development of the streets of industrial area, etc! At previous posts here in the forum, we have discussed that some individuals have went about declaring that they are behind the bid 100% neglecting the logic of whether it is successfully feasible or not. I really wish I was so too, but as a logical person after a simple pondering (and I might be wrong in my point of view as I am only human) I do not see it executable in this setting. There was talk about certain individuals highlighting that if we do not support the bid then we might as well pack our bags and leave the country. I consider Qatar my home and I would terribly be saddened if that happens, but that doesn’t mean I am going to be subservient to anything and everything. So please for all those poor souls out there, (GIQ and the like in particular!) who are like cheerleaders supporting the handsome quarterback, OPEN YOUR MIND!!!!!

First of all thank you for your appreciation to the article piece (gadarene, wnder, ex expat, raven1986), the issue of attitude and also perceptions is NOT A SMALL ISSUE… not something that will change overnight even when the World Cup is almost 12 years away. Some individuals pointed out that things will go towards the better as it is that people are slowly opening up into the western ways, but this is just looking at the iceberg and judging it at the tip only, this issue is so deep rooted I don’t think it would just vanish away like that.

Apparently to some individuals such as (genesis) it is the same old humdrum of discussions. Well a better feedback and contribution would be much appreciated.

I remember as a kid growing up, (it seems that the phrase is so right that it was truly the good old days!) everybody was so humble and everyone knew the other (as rightfully pointed out by (qchris, architect j) In addition to that football here was so strong, the club teams were among the power houses not just in the Middle East but also all over Asia, the resume of the sport teams in those days was so vast and rich and it would put the perception of these days’ teams to shame! Some of the biggest names in football in Arabia were from Qatar for those newbies who have no idea about them; the following is a history lesson! Examples that come to mind include, Adil Malalah, Mubarak Mustafa, Sultan Khalfan, Adil Khamis, Mahmoud Soufi, Mohammed Alenazi, Mansoor Muftah, etc: I could go on and on, champions who were so humble yet were on top of their game. Sad that the teams both at national and club levels doesn’t have much of a personality. Now “how is this related to the issue at hand?” one may ask. Well in the days before Aspire and the vast sporting calendar of activities, the focus and also the passion of the sporting nation was focused on football which led to those levels of excellence. F.Y.I the rank of Qatar in world football in those days had reached to the top 50 teams in the world, and if you want to know what it is now then go have a look at the FIFA website!!!

By dandrough• 20 Nov 2010 16:54
dandrough

LOOOL @ kiss a camel to show ur allegiance, ur funny ...and yes alkhor is a bit reminiscent of old doha...

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 14:47
anonymous

wnder...check out yao fingers... they are still cross'

why dontch jus hope fr the best thang to happen... if it happens its fr gud... i guess.

By Nishadan• 20 Nov 2010 14:46
Nishadan

I think there are several people out there who is not favouring 2022 bid because of their own reasons. But let us put things on a balance and weigh it so that we would find out whether there will be a"yes" or "no". Then only this discussion would get any healthy outcome.

Let us stop pretending that there is no issues. There are. Several of them and if it is addressed in a proper and timely manner, our little Pearl of Arabia could host this event successfully.

I strongly support the bid.

By wnder• 20 Nov 2010 14:45
wnder

spectacular stadiums I agree with loads of money spent building them....but money cannot buy acceptance

By wnder• 20 Nov 2010 14:44
wnder

There is a major attitude issue in Doha.....it will never change and I would bet my annual salary on YOU not getting the World Cup.....not a chance!

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 14:10
anonymous

eh., cmon qhris and flor...can ths be of sme end..."please".

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 14:10
flor1212

I find the word you use as offensive? VERY OFFENSIVE! Maybe you're the one!

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 14:08
anonymous

I am not wasting anymore time reasoning with an idiot, and a bully.

You don't deserve my energy.

Good day.

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 14:07
flor1212

respectful?

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 14:06
flor1212

other id? Or are you related to him/her?

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 14:03
flor1212

Losing your footing?

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 14:01
anonymous

Search this thread.

At no point did I criticise an opposing view to mine.

I criticised the sarcasm in your 'please clarify' post to some guy brave enough to give his opinion.

You were trying to undermine his point with his use of english (which was clear).

That is disrespectful.

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:59
flor1212

dp

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:57
flor1212

I am an old man and I don't honestly know how to use those things! So if that's the way you find a funny posts, then you could never understood me!

And if you are very observant, if ever you think I said people to stop complaining, it only means that a preceding statement of complain/s is posted. I never started a thread saying bad thing about this 2022. But your kinds keep on flooding the board with such negativism. When will you ever stop? Even after the FIFA decided (whatever the decision maybe) you will keep posting your negativism!

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 13:53
anonymous

Very simple

Money is not all about hosting an Event.

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 13:53
anonymous

Yeah, great conversation you are for a 'first poster'!!

Flor; "Stop this negative posting as it will not do any good to anyone! Or are you even thinking that you are giving us a favor by posting this?????????????????????????????????"

Really encourages debate, and doesn't make you sound arrogant or superior, or bullying AT ALL, does it?

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 13:49
anonymous

Don't be cute, Flor.

You knew exactly what you are doing.

A funny quote is always followed by ':-)' or ':-p'

You have hated this thread from the very beginning, and have tried to turn it into a 'poor me' attack on you.

You told people to stop posting, and bullied some guy whose opinion was different to yours.

It was CLEAR he meant 'here' in Qatar.

If this thread was in the 'funnies', then fine.

We are here, having an adult discussion, and as soon as you weren't included, you told a 'joke' to grab the attention.

Well congrats, you did just that.

Sure you're delighted.

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:47
flor1212

of you in posting so don't even lecture me who posted first? You are a latecomer and posted just to disrespect me?

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:45
flor1212

and the way you disrespect other Qler reflects your personality. I am sorry to say that you are the one losing your footing about this. Your desire for Qatar not to host this event is somehow making you desperate to berate those who have an opposite view of yours! Just keep it clean and maybe you'll earn your respect!

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 13:43
anonymous

You come into a thread where we are having a serious discussion, and try and bully some guy who gave his balanced opinion with YOUR sarcasm to be 'funny', and I have the superiority complex?

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 13:41
anonymous

I didn't even know your nationality or your age. Not sure what that has to do with anything really, though would explain why you defend the racism here, if a persons nationality matters to you.

I have never felt compelled to check a posters country of origin, not sure why you did.

You have lost your footing in this thread, and are trying to save face. I get it, you told people to STOP complaining, and no-one listened. I would feel awkward too.

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:40
flor1212

because it was the precedent of the posting. The "here" was meant to be clarified (sarcastically) if referring to Industrial area.

Now, if you don't find humor in it, then the problem is not with me but with you. Your "superiority complex" mentality is again at work!

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:36
flor1212

that I am very much older than you are and I am a Filipino and you are a British? Answer me honestly!

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:35
flor1212

in general?

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 13:34
anonymous

flor1212 said hosted in Industrial area? ...pls clarify?

This was the initial stupid thing you said.

There is no humour there, it sounds like a dumbass, question, which fitted with your holier-than-thou attitude throughout the whole thread.

I think you are embarrassed that you really were laughing at him, thinking he said to host it in the Industrial Area, and now have egg on your face and are being agressive.

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:34
flor1212

to kiss a camel and prove your allegiance?

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:31
flor1212

show me a post that I belittle or say a bad words against the other side. It's the other people who keeps on going namecalling and badmouthing those who don't agree with them. Just like you!

By ex.ex.expat• 20 Nov 2010 13:28
ex.ex.expat

you deride them and tell people not to complain. It seems to me you are just another side of the whole "love it or leave it" coin.

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:16
flor1212

we just need to respect each' view!

By ex.ex.expat• 20 Nov 2010 13:12
ex.ex.expat

and did a much better job than I was capable of doing in the other thread. The bottom line is can Qatar conform to international standards when it comes to providing a safe and fair accommodation for all match goers, and do they even WANT to? Is the culture even able to tolerate the notion that locals, Westerners, other Arabs or families don't deserve to be treated any differently from single Asian men?

I don't think it is and I also don't think people care to challenge the status quo. FIFA needs to take notice. But again, I don't think it will. How ironic will it be that South Africa pulled off a WC without apartheid and if Qatar wins the bid they will likely host the first WC under apartheid.

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 13:02
flor1212

stupid answer because you asked a stupid question! And my allegiance is not with Qatar!

And about you, do you still have any positive thing to say about this country? If none, then it's you who better shut up!

And real world is full of positive and negative things. But for you, only accept negative things (or your side only). If you can't even respect our view, here's a cent, buy someone you can talk to!

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 12:57
anonymous

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

Plus, what the hell do you know about the 'real world', with all your 'Stop this negative posting as it will not do any good to anyone' hippy nonsense.

If you don't like it, leave the thread, and go back to kissing a camel to prove your allegience.

By HBoss26• 20 Nov 2010 12:52
HBoss26

I seconded at you polkadots...

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 12:41
anonymous

I support the Qatar- 2022 bid

That said with the family vs singleton restrictions, climate, drinking rules, attire rules, appropriate rules regarding male –female behavior in public, I wonder who the target audience will be , as in all the international matches I watch on T.V almost all of the above rules seems flouted. Combine that with the interest of the usual floating crowd in coming to Qatar, who represents the audiences in any International event ,I seriously doubt the interest of the Marketers/sponsors of this mega, in having Qatar win the bid.

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 12:26
flor1212

learn to read between the lines! You just need to live in reality! Lol!

By GIQ• 20 Nov 2010 12:23
GIQ

Go Qatar Go

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 12:22
anonymous

Are you being sarcastic, or just thick?

He is saying if Qatar cannot sort out the Industrial Area, how can they hope to sort out the construction of multiple venues.

And he clearly means he wants the event to be hosted here, as in 'here in Qatar', balancing his post by pointing out the negatives, but supporting the bid.

You seriously didn't get that, or are you just being cute and flaming?

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 12:15
flor1212

pls clarify?

By Nishadan• 20 Nov 2010 12:00
Rating: 4/5
Nishadan

The trenches that opened 18 months before the 2006 big thing are still there. In more than six years, a single street in Industrial area is completed work and is getting worse day by day.

If someone is saying Industrial Area is meant for labour class and they don't need any attention, I would oppose that argument. Actually Industrial area is one of the most important places of the entire State but nothing is being done to solve the traffic/road situation.

If six years is not enough to clear up the mess in such a small area, how could we imagine the 12 year period enough for hosting a big event like 2022 world cup. Let us forget issues like war or climate.

By the way, I want this event to be hosted here.

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 11:02
anonymous

Have only been here for about a year, and the other day I went to Al Khor....it was so nice, and quiet and almost tradtional, is that what Qatar was like?

Or do you still think of Al Khor as a symbol of what is wrong?

Sorry, bit off topic, but I had been wondering since the other day.

By Architect.J• 20 Nov 2010 10:59
Architect.J

I loved the old, wish it was the same old!

I'm talking about the Doha of the Old of course, when everyone seemed to know everyone, when there was a general sense of respect and u could get to anywhere in 15mins without fearing the LC behind u. When having Kelly lang come here was a big thing! :)

But then u big headed, egoist bunch took over.

By genesis• 20 Nov 2010 09:50
genesis

Same old...same old

By dandrough• 20 Nov 2010 09:49
dandrough

they must have learned a thing or two....I don't know what exactly, I am talking abstractly ... they must have learned something, unless you suggest they all got alzheimer ... aside from that, I am the most upset when I see the potential in my country, and how some egotistical pieces of shit vampires are sucking the blood out of it turning it into an ugly xenolithic money making machine ... That's why I can't stand living here more than a a couple of months a year....

I clearly stated my reasons for supporting the bid...which was the fifa oversight on projects ... other than that, I much preferred qatar of the 70's and 80's than now....ask any expat that has been here that long, and they will explain to you the difference.

By Raven1968• 20 Nov 2010 09:26
Raven1968

@ dandrough tell exactly how they have learnt the lessons from the Asian games in 2006? Last years Bra v Eng game was a shambles, and by the sounds the Bra v Arg was just as bad, security at the gates is chaos, preferntial treatment to locals and families etc. Looks like they haven't learnt a thing from 2006, which is par for the course for this govt, all talk and little action to back it up.

By dandrough• 20 Nov 2010 09:09
Rating: 4/5
dandrough

Let's not forget that qatar learned important lessons from hosting the asian olympics, and failing to host the world olympics. The campaign was done well this time around, corruption allegations were swiftly avoided, and there is plenty of time to implement the projects proposed. I am dying for qatar to win the bid, not because I am a football fan...but because I know the government will have to pick up the pace and finish up the infrastructure, and a fifa committee will be coming to check on the work from time to time...oversight is always good, especially in doha where corruption is a way of life.

one important issue the Fifa reports left out is the high possibility of a war breaking in the region, that's the real "high overall risk" i believe, not the hot weather...a funny coincidence is that as we speak, both possibilities of having the worldcup in middle east, and war in middle east are being considered by four letters acronym organizations in europe...FIFA and NATO.

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 09:02
anonymous

@ gadarene it seems like you belittle the ability of haiti and qatar when it comes to football???? in every game there's always a winner and a loser no matter how good you are in your field...regarding temperature thats nature we can't do anything about it, and lucky those expats who will be here by 2022 if qatar will get the bid......

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 08:25
Rating: 5/5
anonymous

I Support Qatar's BID for World Cup 2022.

I am sure they correct every thing, and we will have a peaceful and equal status world cup because Qataris are equal or better than any community in the world.. Thanks boss to bring in attention of this subject to everybody.This will help Authority to fine tune their people before World Cup... I Support Qatar's BID for World Cup 2022.

By flor1212• 20 Nov 2010 07:55
flor1212

if Qatar lose the bid, I can still stay here If they get it, hope you all stay! Whatever the outcome of the bid, you will be frustrated anyway! I heard all bidders have their share of positive and negative aspects. Let FIFA (and FIFA alone) decide it. Stop this negative posting as it will not do any good to anyone! Or are you even thinking that you are giving us a favor by posting this?????????????????????????????????

By anonymous• 20 Nov 2010 07:30
anonymous

@ jamalx,your episode pretty much sums it up my friend...i have said on numerous other related posts that this country,God bless all of them does not DESERVE to host this event & i meant from the point of view of the quality of the football they play(losing 1-0 to HAITI?!) as well as this above mentioned 'attitude' issue because rest assured,if for whatever strange reason they do win this bid,this is how it will be for the World Cup as well,i mean it's not like they're going to bring in a new police force are they?...

Anyways,their bid has been rated "highest risk" by FIFA considering the searing temperatures that global fans will be exposed to...human exposure to 50 deg. centigrade heat & 85% plus humidity on a daily basis is OBVIOUSLY "high risk",not really rocket science is it?...

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