"...you both (CBD and EsYyCmdcer) seem to be arguing that it's your RIGHT as Muslims to respond in any way you want...
If that's not special treatment you're expecting, then I don't know what is...
So grow some thicker skin and join the rest of the civilized world instead of rattling your sabers and behaving like petulant children who don't get exactly what they want."
And to respond to your points:
"1.You don't know the meaning of "special treatment", and you need to be educated about it. (One example of a special treatment is when you accuse the countries of the world that they have caused damages to your race of people, and you force these countries to pay your people money/compensation, decade after decade)"
Are you referring to something specific here? Then say it.
"2.No one here, EVER said that Muslims have the right to repond, in any way they see fit!
We are arguing that humans, irrelevant of their religion, have the right to respond in any way they see fit, if you insult their beliefs and holy figures.
Violent reactions to racist insults, will not lead to the extinction of humanity as you are claiming. They will lead to the extinction of those hateful racists who think that the freedom of speech give them the right to insult certain races of people."
Again, following this line of logic, I would be justified in blowing the brains out of anyone who uttered something that I interpreted as maligning my beliefs or holy figures. So if I worship Elvis and the guy next to me in line at the bank says "Elvis sucks", then I'm within my rights to shoot him -- sa?
"3.You are proud to have a thick skin, you think that this makes you a 'civilized' person, and you are calling others to follow your example!!!
Having a 'think skin' makes you a lower man, with less dignity and cheaper values/morals.
If 'thick skin' is civilization, then decent men better stay 'babarians'!
I think having a thick skin is a survival adaptation, and it lets me endure many more things with a smile on my face than you clearly can...
4.You are not able of making a valid or logical argument, that is why you are resolving to insulting people by calling them 'petulant children', while it is clear that it is you who lack a lot of education about honor, dignity, and the facts of life."
I believe I have made a valid argument -- it's you who can't seem to address the fallacies in your line of logic too see that using your standard of "justifiable response" would result in a ridiculous reality in the world.
"Adey, if you shut up about insults against your beliefs/gods, then you will do nothing about your son turning gay, then you will shut up about your daughter living with a man without marriage and having children, then you will shut up if your sister decided to marry her girlfriend, then this makes it a western society, while mine is eastern....and we will NEVER meet!"
I know what I believe, as does the God I believe in, so I have no need to prove things to anyone else. If my son turns out to be gay, I will love him and support him. If my daughter chooses to live with a man and raise a child with him without being married, then I will love and support her/them. If my sister marries her girlfriend, then I will love and support her/them.
This doesn't necessarily make me western (though I am), but it does make me a helluva lot more tolerant and less hateful than you.
:-)
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou
These are my words, EsYyCmdrcer:
"...you both (CBD and EsYyCmdcer) seem to be arguing that it's your RIGHT as Muslims to respond in any way you want...
If that's not special treatment you're expecting, then I don't know what is...
So grow some thicker skin and join the rest of the civilized world instead of rattling your sabers and behaving like petulant children who don't get exactly what they want."
And to respond to your points:
"1.You don't know the meaning of "special treatment", and you need to be educated about it. (One example of a special treatment is when you accuse the countries of the world that they have caused damages to your race of people, and you force these countries to pay your people money/compensation, decade after decade)"
Are you referring to something specific here? Then say it.
"2.No one here, EVER said that Muslims have the right to repond, in any way they see fit!
We are arguing that humans, irrelevant of their religion, have the right to respond in any way they see fit, if you insult their beliefs and holy figures.
Violent reactions to racist insults, will not lead to the extinction of humanity as you are claiming. They will lead to the extinction of those hateful racists who think that the freedom of speech give them the right to insult certain races of people."
Again, following this line of logic, I would be justified in blowing the brains out of anyone who uttered something that I interpreted as maligning my beliefs or holy figures. So if I worship Elvis and the guy next to me in line at the bank says "Elvis sucks", then I'm within my rights to shoot him -- sa?
"3.You are proud to have a thick skin, you think that this makes you a 'civilized' person, and you are calling others to follow your example!!!
Having a 'think skin' makes you a lower man, with less dignity and cheaper values/morals.
If 'thick skin' is civilization, then decent men better stay 'babarians'!
I think having a thick skin is a survival adaptation, and it lets me endure many more things with a smile on my face than you clearly can...
4.You are not able of making a valid or logical argument, that is why you are resolving to insulting people by calling them 'petulant children', while it is clear that it is you who lack a lot of education about honor, dignity, and the facts of life."
I believe I have made a valid argument -- it's you who can't seem to address the fallacies in your line of logic too see that using your standard of "justifiable response" would result in a ridiculous reality in the world.
"Adey, if you shut up about insults against your beliefs/gods, then you will do nothing about your son turning gay, then you will shut up about your daughter living with a man without marriage and having children, then you will shut up if your sister decided to marry her girlfriend, then this makes it a western society, while mine is eastern....and we will NEVER meet!"
I know what I believe, as does the God I believe in, so I have no need to prove things to anyone else. If my son turns out to be gay, I will love him and support him. If my daughter chooses to live with a man and raise a child with him without being married, then I will love and support her/them. If my sister marries her girlfriend, then I will love and support her/them.
This doesn't necessarily make me western (though I am), but it does make me a helluva lot more tolerant and less hateful than you.
:-)
"Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise."
-- Maya Angelou