Terrible scene
I stopped by Landmark this morning to get my usual coffee on the way to work and saw this:
An Asian woman (young, most likely Filipina) with what seemed to be her child being shouted at by a woman in abaya. She wasn't the maid--well dressed and the child appeared to be hers--but was a normal customer. The abaya woman seemed to be miffed that the other woman would either not carry her bags or would not let her in front of her. She kept shoving her bags at her and demanding to first in line.
I couldn't believe it. The woman in the Abaya was with a small group, so I went over after a few minutes and asked them if they were going to put a stop to this and calm their companion. Finally after I pointed to the child (no on the verge of tears) one said something to her and she stormed off (but not before one last slew of insults).
I felt so sorry for the Asian woman, but more so for her child.
Whatever happened to common courtesy for the sake of watching children? I understand disagreements, but no circumstance requires them to be aired in front of children this way.
Time bandit of course, if one is in a queue, that is a different story. I was looking at the situation as told by the thread starter.
And btw...some people have tried to get in front of me in qeues, of course! But , an icy stare and me telling the attendant that it is my turn,nipped the nasty in the bud.:)
after squeezing offcourse the trolley might have hurt them or his body might have touched them dont know the intentions of few ppl
Fubar said "I remember once squeezing between two "abaya women's" trolleys in an aisle in Carrefour."
He was squeezing between two "abaya women's" TROLLEYS, not squeezing between two ladies.
sad they insulted HAYWAN they shld have said sumthing more abusive as u feel its right to walk n squeeze in btwn two ladies
nomerci if you walk away, you may well be loosing your place in a cue. Thus giving them what they are shouting at you for in the first place. So.... stand in the cue to keep your place and get shouted at. Or walk away (no more shouting) but giving them what they wanted, your place in the cue.
with the recent flu going around some languages may sound harsh. she was probably just saying good morning.
Fubar, exactly what I meant in my post above!
Why listen if you can walk away....
Unless people talk to me in a polite way, I do not listen, period.
I remember once squeezing between two "abaya women's" trolleys in an aisle in Carrefour.
For my audacity in insisting that I felt I had the right to walk up the aisle rather than wait until it was convenient for them to move their trolleys out of my way, they stood there and yelled, at the top of their voices "HAYWAN!! HAYWAN!!" (animal, animal). I paid absolutely no attention to them at all, pair of ride biatches that they were.
The thing that amused me most was that the more I ignored them, the louder their shouting became.
I just wandered off and left them fuming with incandescent rage that some people don't give a damn that they were upset.
In a perverse way it was one of the funnier days I've had got quite a while.
OK. I admit it. I was there. The Asian woman had taken the last box of Ferero Rocher from the shelf and the lady in Abaya was none too pleased.. :o(
A while back, I had an abaya push in front of me in a Qtel line for customer service. I decided to just let her do it and said nothing. If I had questioned her I wonder if I would have had a screaming abaya raining down insults and curses in full view of everyone on me? I kept quiet because I didn't want to become part of a scene.
Lets look at a possible scenario. Perhaps the Asian lady in the OP did what I was too much of a coward to do, and spoke out, and paid the publicly humiliating price for doing so.
Its Haram in this country.
BG - please don't flatter yourself. I cannot help commenting on anything you post, because you post on just about every thread. It hard to miss you!!!
Korly - It is a proven fact that all men like to stare at women's bottoms. Whats wrong with that?
korly too many assumptions , u dont know if i m a bachelor or not, n actually the ladies stalk me ur one big live example
BG and of those 10yrs, how many times have you actually been allowed into a mall to experience any of what is being discussed?
You are a mere asian bachelor who as far as I know, won't be admitted into malls for fear of your stalking women.
From your behaviour on here, I'd say its a good choice on behalf of Mall Management!
ok MN 3 yrs m staying more than 10 + n haven't come across now where do i stay in qatar or no
then you haven't actually LIVED in Doha....
Seen it and been on the receiving end....
Guys I know the real story now. One of the women in the group is my friend. She told me the following:
Both these women the one in abaya and the asian are very CLOSE friends of the third kind and they love to put up scenes in public the memories of which they enjoy in solitude. So what we are discussing here is nothing but a prank played by them and we all fell for it. ROFL
Theft was not mentioned anywhere in the post.
However, a first hand account of what Bachus saw was.
Now I don't know about you, but until proven otherwise, usually an eyewitness account holds up in a court of law...
oh, but wait... thats right... this is QL.... only certain people are able to talk about anything with conviction....
Why would any of you assume anyone had stolen something?
the same way if one can believe the below story
"The abaya woman seemed to be miffed that the other woman would either not carry her bags or would not let her in front of her. She kept shoving her bags at her and demanding to first in line.
In all of the 3 yrs bein here in Doha I have never come across any of the stuff ur talkin abt.
to have read anything that Bachus has said.....
"The abaya woman seemed to be miffed that the other woman would either not carry her bags or would not let her in front of her. She kept shoving her bags at her and demanding to first in line."
Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/2854035#new#ixzz1srvTMYd0
Why would any of you assume anyone had stolen something?
You are all just looking for reasons to argue - never wanting there to be any kind of "slagging off" done to "the usual suspects" - Like I said earlier... this happens on a daily basis and not one of you will ever take the time out to do something good for another human, because you are all to scared to say something that will offend someone who could possibly get you deported.
There is a name for that... its called being a yellow-belly!!!!
If you aren't the targetted audience of my above post... don't let it affect you;-)
Xena - Keep me off you above post please darling...I'am the only sensible one here :))))))
2020 Olympics: Abaya woman , LC guy , rich gulfie , dude with big house and lots of Asian maids lol u got lots of titles mate lol lucky u :D
Agree.
nomad--all possibilities. Point is we cannot judge if we do not know all the facts.
Maybe it's the woman in abaya who stole something and then tried to shift the attention to the poor Asian lady.
a girl shouted at me arab or something else or even sayin a bad words on me ... ill kick her on her a** and tell her to shut ur mouth ....
boy-next-door: my first post was that we do not know the full circumstances, and i gave an example of a circumstance that might have caused the shouting. I don't know what happened and neither do you, so who are you and others to be so judgmental?
yeah the shouting part is the one not proper..
its not good to both of them..
this is not a court that we defend the wrong doings..
Olympics, It's good that you know how to say now that no one knows the circumstanes so don't assume yourself. In your first post you already assumed something that the Asian woman might had done. That's your idea, fine. But the shouting part was a fact. So that's what we are discussing here that it's not acceptable behavior especially that the Asian woman was with a child. Of course, arrogance and wealth and all those things will naturally point to the Abaya-clad woman because she was the aggressor. What do you want, people will side with the aggressor and ridicule the victim just like you did?
Please. To whom do all the comments about wealth and arrogance and not being able to tach civilization and such apply then? A real shame when people won't admit their own racism.
Olympic u r the one assuming she is local She could Asian or Arab
nomerci - You are assuming something I didn't say. Please read again.I said - Thats coz the asian woman was too scared to go away for the fear of offending her agressor. Being shouted at can dent people's confidence drastically.
I don't think anyone is even assuming she's local. All that was observed is that she was in abaya and shouting at an expat. How is that assuming the worst?
Mandi
Ah, so staying there and being involved makes it better? Sorry, I don't think so.
If she had not done anything wrong, she had no reason to stay there.
Not that I am in any way excusing the yelling.
Why is everyone here assuming the worst of the local woman?. No one here knows the circumstances.
nomerci - Thats coz the asian woman was too scared to go away for the fear of offending her agressor. Being shouted at can dent people's confidence drastically.
mandi stll not a civilized move..
even if we assumed that filipina child stool someting.. still she should have not shouted..
if that woman in abaya is educated enough she must have called the security, police, motawa etc...
yelling are for those people that are less civilized..
And I believe most rich families spend much on their kids to be civilized..
I think yelling at people is wrong, no matter what. Why did the Asian woman not just walk away?
Why would you just stand there and let some person yell at you???
I sure would not.
Good observation Mandi
Ya know, it kinda worries me when, after reading about an incident involving an abaya-clad woman and a southeast Asian woman, a person's first suspicion is that the Asian woman might have stolen something.
Mandi
ahahahaha..
hope oil and gas dont run out..
...remember what mama told ya as a kid...
"mama said, knock dem out!!"
works all the time!
Stealing the wealth? he would die without them from cleaning his toilet to running his business.
u mean only westerners r allowed to loot the wealth ?
and Asians r aliens
Westerners are foreigners, as far as I'm aware.
TB here is the proof
it wasn't 'right' for foreigners, and especially Indians (I think he means all Asians)
"u mean only westerns r allowed to loot the wealth ?"
BG where is the proof to backup your statement?
Can you read?
I remember once being in Dubai with a Qatari friend, who has what I consider to be a pretty well adjusted outlook on the world. Until... we saw an Indian driving a Ferrari. And he turned to me and said "the biggest mistake Sheikh Mohamed ever made was letting the Hindi people in Dubai get rich. It's not right". I couldn't work out what he was trying to say. After asking more and more questions, he just confessed that it wasn't 'right' for foreigners, and especially Indians (I think he means all Asians) to be 'stealing' the wealth away from the Gulf Arabs. It was a real eye opening moment.
Disagree only with your last sentence, BB. We really are changing things. Look at today's Dohanews. Two cultures rubbing up against each other. Qatar is changing, and rapidly. But there is some blow-back happening, too. I like to think that the next generation will be quite different. They are learning from their parents, yes, but also from their peers, schools and even youtube.
Mandi
Lets not get too carried away with emotions. The woman in abaya was probably behaving based on what she has been taught and maybe she sees nothing wrong in treating a filipina or an asian like that.
I know it for a fact through my local friends that since childhood they are made to believe that their maids,drivers servants etc are from poor countries where they don't have even food or clothing and that they are being favoured on by the 'masters' by providing a good salary,accomodation and food and that they have to be thankful. If there are instances of abuse,it is to be looked upon as a bearable punishment in exchange for all the riches.
Now if the above is true, I don't think this generation can be blamed for having such a pathetic attitude. And I doubt if education can change this.
acting like they never went to school .. waaaahh wat u called people like that ... acting like ANIMAL?
isn't this a funny one :) even though not posted in 'funnies' :)
if you dont wanna belive, then dont take effort to comment in the thread...move on...there are better post's of ur interest in 'funnies'.
exactly u wont believe my crap neither shld i believe other's crap :)
Most of what comes out of your mouth is c r a p anyway, so I wouldn't believe any story you posted.
Bachus, I salute your chivalry.
This is easier said than done.. Most of us put up with abuse because we tell ourselves that we are doing it for a reason :O(
understand this.... if you don't post proof that this actually happened, it didn't?
What is truly amazing is that this happens on an almost daily basis and no one does anything about it. Well Done Bachus, for standing up for the lady with the child.
BG, never in the history of QL has any one had post proof of a story that has happened to them personally, that would be impossible to achieve.....
Usually, if you know and follow posters you should know if they are being honest or not - you can usually tell the B*llsh*tters from the ones that are actually telling the truth.
I feel the OP's way of tackling the situation was both brave and right.How many folks would have either turned a blind eye and scurried away, or watched the whole scene like as though it was some kinda entertainment gimmick then come and ranted on QL,having done nothing to help? Rather the OP helped and brought the situ under control, which was no small task!
Even if the lady at being yelled at had made a mistake ,yelling at her in front of her child and other people, is plain wrong. And I feel had the Asian woman really been at fault, then the lady in abayah would have called security/cops rather than shouting at her for all and sundry to hear. All in all a terrible scene all right!
so u will believe if i post any story right
they have a long way to learn things in modess manner..
theyl get thier in time..
traumatic for the child..
BG- Lol, evidence? are you asking for a link... LOL :-P
Well, It is the OP's personal experience, so whether we believe in his story or not, it is our own prerogative. ;))
i can post the same of being harassed by a western female at villagio
do we have to believe all fake stories without any evidence
I agree with you snessy, however, I cannot blame the asian lady if she just "chose" to shut up or ignore it, whether we agree or not, this is still a "biased" country....
And yeah, I agree with the OP that it is really terrible to act like what the "abaya wearing lady" did in front of a child, in fact it is terrible to act like that in public and in front of a child, regardless which nationality are you from.
I seriously doubt it. More likely it was an issue of modesty. But I was not there, so I cannot say or judge for sure.
2020 Olympics - or pehaps the filipina was looking more beautiful and gorgeous then the woman in the abaya and the woman in the abaya could not stand the sight of a more beautiful person then her besides her...
Bachus, Good deed. Especially when a child is involved. That situation could be traumatic for him/her.
Arien and LP, Yes, unfortunately there are terrible minds here as well.
well i guess , one should stand up for their own rights, i agree with snessy.....
Yesterday while my husband rushed to an office,I waited in the car, as there was no parking space and we were blocking about 5 cars. So did an Arab guy with his wife, and another middle eastern nonlocal one who came back after their errands . After making the call to my hubby to run back, we all waited in the car..No gestures, knocking on the glass or anything..When I went over to apologise, the local said "I will wait. No problem. Thank you"...
It is mostly the upbringing and ones temperament that controls "events", not the nationality necessarily..
Agree with snessy it's nobody else fault except there own
Most of the racist I encountered are actually stupid people , they are just hiding behind on what they so called high level race what a shame.
"You should not have intervened." (2020 Olympics)
Be quiet and suffer.
i agree with snessy's view point unless n until u speak up they will act smart...
Not Stone Age, Arien, but shortly before the Enlightenment.
(1433 AH)
Goshh.. still there are people to justify and support such stone age brains!!!!
Have you ever tried telling a Qatari he's Asian, even though the Asian Games were here in 2006, and more recently the Asian Cup football tournament?!
why classify as Asians, arent abaya women asians too?
It's a game between the rich and poor.
feel very sorry not because she may be from my country but for the indignity heaped upon her. No matter what she did she didn't deserve to be treated that way. As for the other party- well, she's the exception here. Does not represent the majority of her people. Even "evil" empires don't treat the expats this way.
he is always happy after all he is in the richest county
It is code for local LP. Another bashing thread. You should be happy LP.
This will keep happening until people start standing up for themselves. Standing there like a timid mouse won't get you very far in life and it won't do much for your self-esteem.
early morning fairy tales
No end for racism???
I like the term "the abaya woman"! What breed are they?
Didn't the woman read the sign? All Asians will be served once everyone else has finished. Please wait at the back of the store until you are called.
You should not have intervened.
How can you know circumstances of this? For all you know the Filipina stole from this poor woman and she was seeking justice. Or maybe she saw the Filipina hit the child and was acting to protect the child.
There are some nationals who are really starting to resent the presence of foreigners in this country, and in particular Asians who feel that they should be treated with respect.
Delusions of grandeur once again