Egypt slaughters pigs to stop Flu!

Tallg......Pigs can fly!

Well said

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

Aristotle said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

I'm not sure why so many people feel the need to make everyone change their beliefs just because they think it is right.

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every animals have their own kind of flu, flu alone from swine cant affect human, remember this is a combination of 3 strains of flu to be that fatal. why only blame it to swines? cull every swine, cull every birds(birds flu) and cull every human (human flu) to break the triangle of what they are saying a "swine flu" then there will be no outbreak...well all live peacefully... im sure ill be in heaven... (",)

"Friendship is a single soul dwelling in two bodies."

Please re-read to my first line of my post to understand what I'm replying to: some guy who saw this thread as an opportunity to cry about minority rights in Egypt

Hope it's clear now

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

cant believe this post still runnin!! mabrouk goodluck for showin off with the islamic thoughts! but it has nothin to do with it but if u want to consider it as a proof that u r right .. then let it be but relax! whahah ... God knows how ridiculous u r to think like this! i thought that muslims in general are so sure about their religion but after this swine flu ... huh!! they are waitin for some prooves! Goodluck.

Speaking of minority rights , etc , etc:

Pope Shenouda III, the patriarch of the Coptic Orthodox in Egypt on Thursday was quoted as saying that the vast majority of Copts do not eat pork meat. According to him, most of the swine flesh in Egypt is being consumed by non-Muslims tourists. Pope Shenouda added that, in any case, health experts concluded that the consumption of pork meat is not related to the infection of the swine flu virus.

He made these comments one day after the Egyptian authorities started to slaughter the roughly 250,000 pigs in the country. Pope Shenouda backed the government's step, saying the state "acts in the right way" in handling the swine flu file. He mentioned that a few days ago he had a meeting with Egypt's Health Minister Hatem el-Gabaly and they decided that people should understand the risks from the new lethal strain.

"The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the

longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."

William Blake

If you cook your PC properly it will be perfectly safe to eat.

you have strong ANTI VIRUS installed in you pc

.......Simple!!!!

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What happens in Eygpt if your computer gets a virus?

hey guys ... please stop fightin each other . now the subject had chngd .

Yes, it's entirely up to the individual to decide whether to eat pork or not, and if you choose not to because you're religion forbids it then good for you.

But can't you accept that things have changed a lot since your religion said those things? People are now aware of how to cook meat properly.

I'm not trying to convince you to eat pork, I just don't understand you can be blind to the fact that it's perfectly safe to eat.

you're giving me example of 1992 of only 2 ladies while the human population is in billions. My dear exception is every where & in every thing but it doesn't mean that it's applicable in all aspects of life.

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Anyhow, if you're a PIG LOVER then i cann't convince you but I'm convinced what i'm saying & what my religion is saying. Rest is upto our selves

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Yes, you're all right. Pork is clearly unsafe, and that's why the millions of people who eat it on a daily basis are dropping dead all around us. Eh? Oh.

Stop living in the past - it's well known nowadays that pork which is properly cooked is perfectly safe to eat. If you don't want to eat it because your religion forbids it then that's fine, but don't keep trying to convince us that it's unsafe.

Pig & Pork Facts Pig & Pork Facts Philip THE pig or swine is a very popular food item with most Christians. Yet Christians are unaware that the God they profess to believe in had condemned the eating of swine's flesh. The condemnation was based on some very sound biological principles.

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It is safer to eat pork every day, then drive on the roads here in Qatar.

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

abc channel report

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1090490954167

What`s inside Pork meat

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1154202696137

Up to if you still wanna eat it, It's about yours and you children life..

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atif............have you ever heard of Xenotransplants?

"Pig organs have been transplanted to humans several times in the last few years. In 1992, two women received pig liver transplants as "bridges" to hold them over until human transplants were found. In one patient, the liver was kept outside the body in a plastic bag and hooked up to her main liver arteries. She survived long enough to receive a human liver. In the other patient, the pig liver was implanted alongside the old diseased liver, to spare the patient the rigors of removing it. Although that patient died before a human transplant could be found, there was some evidence that the pig liver had functioned for her."

What would the world do if science hadn't involved the way it has???

Culling the pig population is a incompetent action decided by an even more ignorant fool, just because it goes against their religious principals.

you're right about chicken too but I'm telling you the behaviour/nature of Pigs. They eat & do like that as mentioned above but chickens they are fed like that otherwise they eat different type of seeds but in nature they are not dirty bird/animal.

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Also, you can search for chicken too as i had searched for pigs and posted in this forum

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We humans are responsible for BIRD FLU not the birds itself.

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One more moron in power.....

It's all a pretext to take away from the Coptic minority.

I wonder what would have happened if the world ordered a cull on falcons in this region........

hey mintus do your research about why Muslims don't eat pork don't make up drivel. And the rest of you have respect for other peoples' religion I always see people here bashing Islam. If you don't like it either leave this Muslim country or keep your mouths shut.

Pigs are omnivores, which means that they consume both plants and animals. Pigs will scavenge and have been known to eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, tree bark, rotting carcasses, garbage, and even other pigs. In the wild, they are foraging animals, primarily eating leaves, grasses, roots, fruits and flowers.

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Occasionally while in captivity, pigs may eat their own young if they become severely stressed.

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Pigs harbour a range of parasites and diseases that can be transmitted to humans. These include trichinosis, Taenia solium, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract

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Pigs will even eat small animals and destroy nests of ground nesting birds.[4] The Invasive Species Specialist Group lists feral pigs on the list of the world's 100 worst invasive species

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see link 4 more information about PIGS

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig"

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NANDO's, bye bye no more eating chicken from U ...:)

Chicken might look clean from the outside but it is the dirtiest of all. pecks and eats everything

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LOL Men with very little facts always look like Fools.

Lets face it the whole pig thing is because someone in the long distanct past did not like a Good Pork Chop.

All Animals Are Filthy, Cows eat there own shit and chickens sit in it every day.

atif;

1) Pigs aren't filthy. Don't believe everything you're told. Do some research into it yourself.

2) Killing pigs in Egpyt wont prevent the spread of swine flu.

3) Swine flu isn't the reason they're killing all the pigs.

or disease, it must be eliminated from the root. Pigs are very filthy animals eating anything in their path & living in their own dirt [uhhh disgusting]

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So they are the root cause of their unhealthy habit so to kill each and everyone of them is SOLUTION TO ANY DISEASE such like SWINE FLU

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Guys remember, even humans get sick when they are not maintaining hygene in their homes or the place where they are living. So to keep ourselves from disease or sickness, we clean our bodies by taking showers, washing our hands,face,brushing our teeth etc but such animals who only love to stay dirty & like to eat dirt too. How can they be healthy to be consumed by Human Beings????

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So because originally this strain of flu was identified in Pigs so it got its name swine. But it is a virus like the SAR why not give it a scientific name H1N1 and leave it there..

Why the heck are they using the word swine then? Poor old piggy

Becuase it was originally identified in Pigs. Just like Bird flu was originally identified in birds, but can also be spread by humans, cats, etc.

Swine flu also spreads through chickens you know. And this recent bout in Mexico has nothing to do with pigs, the places where the first people died have no pigs.

not a few hundred, but barely 20.........................................

the world is going insane!

What a waste. They can do better than that. It's not the best solution for the crisis.

"I don't go back on my words, that's my way of ninja"

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for all the stupid above.. only the stupid! i feel sorry for u. it s not allowed to eat prok for u... for us it is normal. swine flu is like bird flu is like any other flu that might hit our immune system.. so religion has nothin to do with this .. am sorry for those all muslims that feel weak and still wait for a natural phenomena tryin to prove other that they are right! most important u r sure and have faith in ur religion. dont care about others but respect them :) if u know what is respect.

Camels seems a good alternative...

So what are we going to eat now??

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From ALL the stupid things I've read and heard around swine flu these days.. this is the stupidest of all.....

Gosh, we surrender to the media and take everything they say on the news as the one and only truth.

- No Beef or milk products because of Mad Cow Disease

- No Pork because of Swine Flu & not permitted in Qatar

- No Chicken because of bird flu

- No Seafoods because of Red Tide

- No Vegetables because either there's storm or drought

- No Junkfood well, because they're junk

- No Softdrinks because it contains artificial sweeteners

- No No No =)

Heard that Dubai is also banning Pork Products into the Emirate?

A spokesman for the Egyptian health ministry said on Thursday that the decision to cull quarter of a million pigs was not a measure against swine flu but a general health measure.

"The authorities took advantage of the situation to resolve the question of disorderly pig rearing in Egypt," health ministry spokesman Abdelrahman Shahine told Agence France-Presse (AFP).

The World Health Organization's move to put the pandemic alert to phase 5 confirms that the situation is not a pig problem but a human problem, he added. The government is calling the decision a "general health measure" rather than a measure to fight swine flu.

Source: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/148430.php

So it seems to me that Egypt does have an issue with pigs and saw this as a good opportunity to sort it out.

I'd like to go back and correct myself, the compensation per slaughtered pig is around US$60 not 200.

Salam

If Egypt had any religious concerns about pork, it would've legally prohibited and banned trading in pigs or entering any pork, so again quit the poisoning.

Tallg, WHO mentioned it was a mistake and my country's Ministry of Health doesn't want to wait until the, die is cast, infection among pigs living in residential areas is manifested.

Independent pigs farms will be established and fenced in distant uninhabited areas, as has been pursued by the gov. a few years ago.

Kelly, airports are really crazy and I don't look my best with this horrible mask on..lol

Salam

Yes indeed PM, agree with your points. I'm sure it is insulting to you, as indeed it would be to anyone else with a brain. I read on QL some time ago that pork fat was being used in soaps and cremes being sold in the Middle East, and that was the reason children were disrespecting their parents, and that there was immoral adultery!!!

Agree also that the reason not to eat it is just 'it's a religious rule', and through a desire to respect that, not as a way of proving that every other non-Muslim on the planet is misguided and foolish, which is the undertone. It is almost vaguely jihadi-ish and certainly very irritating to the rest of us. It's the same as those silly threads about 'scientific proof that the Koran is written by God', which we have seen recently.

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KellyHeros - Don't get me wrong here - I love a sensational 'end of civilisation' story as Breaking news on my TV just as much as anyone else - but the lives of millions are NOT at stake!!! you are falling for the hype. We consider that we are consumers of the Media but actually it is the media which consumes us! Watch this issue disappear way down the TV and computer screens which represent our global consciousness by the end of next week. Pig flu will lose its traction very soon - mark my words. Then we will be left with facts which put the whole thing in proportion; such as - 1,000 people die in British hospitals of the MRSA superbug EVERY WEEK. So far, 8 people are sick in the entire U.K. and lying in bed with a fever and a sore throat! And will recover, even without medicine! Only the elderly and infants are really at risk from this.

The life of millions of humans is at risk. You shoud see the scene at the aiport today. All workers and some travellers ae wearing masks.

Why to assume that the virus is only transfered human to human? What if some a..hole(s) somewhere are hiding the truth?

Any person in power cannot take even 1% risk.

For your information. The pigs will be tested. The meat of non-infected pigs will be frozen and later released in the market. Besides. Farms will be relocated into distant areas away from residental places.

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they are the pink eggs of truth. i leave them behind when i visit. like a cat burglar's "calling card".

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Truthfulvisitor, who laid the pink eggs? The yolk looks yummy.......Can I have an egg like that. I want to make a pink poach.

Ooooh, truthfulvisitor, I LOVE a man who can use the word eschatological in a sentence!

Mandi

You are absolutely correct truthful, shellfish should be destroyed!

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I know what you mean and it is really sad to observe that. The struggle between the absolute need to appear compliant and the temptation of actually thinking for them selves. The frustration that this causes and the evil results in the release of this frustration.

Fanatics are every where in all sorts of political and religious believes but some religions tend to produce more than others. Perhaps is, as you said, the insistence in not changing human instructions given centuries ago in totally different contexts and taking those human instructions as if they were divine.

There is a clear problem in certain religions, I still don't know if it's the religion itself, the culture where it proliferates or a mix of both!

Whatever the problem is, the world is suffering with fanatism!

I totally agree with you guys!

Religion associated with ignorance can be (as unfortunately seen too many times) a dangerous weapon of personal destruction!

Ignorance preserves religion and religion preserves ignorance and therefore protects the power of its leaders! That is why religion is engraved on individual at very young ages, removing from them the ability of critic and independent thinking!

It most certainly is. the umbilical cord has not even been cut and the religious teaching has begun.

Dogma is recited over and over like nursery rhymes

Schools are obligated to teach only one explanation for the world, God, and acceptable religious practice

Blasphemy laws are upheld to prevent anyone from freely discussing or prosyletizing

Information channels (TV, internet) can be censored to make sure no information enters society which can 'harm' its 'traditions or values'

Then those children's children receive the same teaching and intellectual cotton-wool wrapping from their parents

The cycle perpetuates itself for ever and ever, amen.

And then we are told that the believers believe what they do because they 'know it is right'.

like me I suspect your tolerance of literal fanatical idiots is as high as mine.

Just sit back now and wait.. I bet within two hours, someone has pasted an article from islamonline.net about how Pork Is Scientifically Proven To Be Dangerous!

Could not have said it better, truthfulvisitor.

See, that's the trouble with religion.

It even makes people hold extremist views about animals.

But what your viewpoints illustrate (unless of course you are being ironic, which I really doubt) is this: some Muslims need to resort to trying to "prove" that pork is "scientifically shown" to be unsafe, even though 1) it isn't and 2) millions upon millions eat it every day without any ill-effects, so CLEARLY IT IS NOT.

Rather than just follow a religious instruction, their fanaticism and fundamentalism needs to show the world "proof" that their 7th century religion in fact is literally centuries beyond its time. By needing to prove their religion as though it were a science, they move from being followers of a faith to proponents of an alternative, higher discourse of scientific knowledge. In a sense it is like trying to prove that Islam has more validity than science - wow, this really is fundamentalism - and that every aspect of the Koran which is not true, has simply 'not come true - yet'.

The Jews, on the other hand, are so much more pragmatic : they simply don't eat pork because it's "instruction from God", not because they're on a mission to show the world how they are the Only True Religion.

They, and others like them, understand that there is context which influences religious teaching, dogma and ritual - not that every instruction in the religion is based on some scientific precept which simply has yet to be discovered. This kind of Islamic insistence on 'proving' things which aren't true but which are written in the Koran really questions the credibility of Muslim scientists, harms the religion's claims to be one which seeks knowledge and truth.

It also shows how utterly unable its followers are to place religion into a context - to see that pork could be banned for sensible, practical reasons related to the time, rather than metaphysical and eschatalogical ones for all times and all places, even the decadent generation of Veterinary Science, Commercial Agriculture and Refrigeration. As we know, both chicken and beef both have illness associated with them, but pork is by far the most problematic in 40 degrees of heat. In addition, Muhammad prohibited pork as a way of converting Jews to Islam living in Medina (I believe it was) who were obviously following the same prohibition.

The equivalent would be the fact that Christians eat shellfish despite being told in the Old Testament not to. Imagine how stupid they would sound if they said "shellfish have been scientifically shown to pick up toxins from the sea and that's why God forbade them - he knew what he was doing." This is really a rather primitive and, frankly, stupid thing to say; (a far more nuanced explanation is that the shellfish thing is part of the Mosaic code which was a specific set of cultural impurities but not held applicable to outsiders.)

Wipe out pigs from the earth. Pigs are one of your gods creatures as well.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

All pigs must be wiped out from the face of the earth.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

It was once said that an African American would be US president when pigs flew.

Well behold 100 days into his presidency and swine flu!!!

Glad they didn't call it the Egyptian flu, poor country would be forced to eliminate their citizens to save the world.

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Happy, from the link you provided;

"Swine flu spreads to people in two ways. They can acquire the virus after being in contact with infected pigs or areas where the pigs have been – which is only likely to happen in Mexico – or they can catch it from an infected person. The disease spreads in the same way as human flu, by inhaling airborne particles from coughs and sneezes, or by touching a contaminated surface and then touching the nose or mouth."

So, as the WHO official for the region already stated, slaughtering the pigs in Egypt will have no affect on the spread of the disease, since the only infected pigs are in Mexico. Someone in Mexico (Patient Zero) contracted the flu from a pig, and now it is being spread human to human.

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I understand your viewpoint about Egypt, but your comment about human-to-human is not exactly correct. It's called swine flu because it has to be originally contracted from pigs. Please check this link out:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/30/swine-flu-origins-symptoms-treatment

Salam

what religion does to the world!

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"i mean c'mon, they roll in their own sh***...eat their Sh**t...."

No they don't!

They are actually remarkably clean - they roll in mud to keep cool, much in the same ways elephants, water buffalo etc do.

They also choose an area that is dedicated as a 'toilet'. please learn your facts before posting drivel.

That may be so, Happy, but the fact remains that there are no cases reported in egypt yet ..and even if there were it would have to be brought in by humans,,,I mean pigs dont fly ,do they??? Its been con firmed that the "epidemic" is due to human to human transmission ...

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then birds in Egypt must be slaughtered too..

Let's agree not to turn some pigs slaughtering to a congested religious warfare between Egyptians!

Egypt has launched a Pigs Eradication Program as an extreme precautionary measure. We've been hit hard by birds' flu and experts say the combination of that flu (remnants) with the swine's may create a new strain.

What most of you have no clue about, is that in many parts of Cairo, most people, in the pigs business, work or actually do live with pigs, with intense daily exposure, those're the ones at a very high risk of catching swine flu if the latter carries the strain infecting humans.

Egyptian gov. arranged for an indemnity plan, it will pay US$200 for each slaughtered pig to help herd owners in this crisis.

I'd like to also add, specially to QLers who love making up stories, that pigs trading in Egypt is not monopolized by Coptic families/businessmen, there're Muslim families trading in pigs and Alcohol too.

Salam

to Abu Dhabi tomorrow and I wanted to bring some back. Not going to now as I suspect customs may be looking harder than usual.

YOU GUYS DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE MISSING.

I am going to start buying up all the pork shares I can, when this is over pork will be worth a fortune to buy. Supply and demand Keep killing them off and I will make heaps on this one, Maybe this is just nature’s way to make people rich.

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

I wish I could deliver these miserable swines from Egypt lead them to their promised land. When I will cross the red sea with my herd, maybe Hosni Mubarak will chase me.................

They're gonna kill half the large(sic) population of Egypt! LOL

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Glad to see the propaganda machines have been doing their work.

send the meat to poor countries so starving people will get the benefit of this obvious stupidity.

Poor animal. At least they will not suffer the wrath of flu. May their soul goes to heaven

Eh, you gotta what you gotta do....i agree with brit n 911...

As for the peeps tht wanna believe that pigs arent filthy animals, i mean c'mon, they roll in their own sh***...eat their Sh**t....thts jus disgusting...

Any excuse to crack down on the Coptic minority.

It's clearly been said that pigs themselves do not transmit the virus, but why let the truth get in the way of a bit of vengeance?

911 - pigs are the most tasty meat, and you honestly can't imagine what you're missing. (If hygiene is bothering you, C

chickens are far more filthy than pigs.)

the pig is a filthy animal, it is a good step

Yes, there are news articles saying that they suspect it's being done to pacify the largely Muslim population, who are sceptical of pigs at the best of times!

Seems a mighty shame to me.

Egypt was hit very hard by bird flu last time, so this is an action of extreme caution by the government..

Perhaps it is intended to pacify the populace..

Yeah, the Pharaohs never went round unnecessarily slaughtering animals. Eh? Oh.

"I wouldn't say it is beneficial for swine flu" - Hussein Gezairy, regional director for the World Health Organisation (WHO)

A misinterpretation by the government. the report said 300K police originaly..

Things have really gone down hill there since the pharoahs....

they have no cases

it spreads human to human

maybe TallG is right

It is passed from Human to human,,, stupid people. Any way..... good cheap pork anyone.

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

It's passed from human to human. Are they going to slaughter all the humans in Egypt as well?

According to the bbc (not the best source of info i know), there is Estimates of the number of pigs range from 250,000 to 400,000!!!

They have 300,000 pigs in Egypt????

during bird flu there was mass culling of chickens - whats that supposed to mean - chickenheaded?

When mad cow disease was there there was mass culling of cows - thats is cow headed.

When there was some river valley disease with sheep a lot of sheep was killed that was called sheep headed?

oh hesa, now you just made my tummy grumble... oh those juicy-licious crispy honeycured ones... :P

i know!!! And i am sure it has been said by the medical proffessionals that you cant get pig flu from pigs, it is just a mutated form of a pig flu that humans get!

Coud they not just send the pigs to qatar instead?!? BAcon, sausages, gammon.... yummy!!

You can't teach experience...

yep, bacon wasted indeed... :P

bacon wasted

poor animals... ouch..

"there are so many rumors about me...feel free to believe in any of'em.."

if there is no known case in egypt, why slaughter the pigs? it is a waste of food/lives, i tell ya.

kadaut...

That is rather pig-headed.