Should a muslim man ask the permission of his

i was under the impression that in islam you had to get the other wifes agrement and if she doesnt then you have the right (as a man) to divorce her and if such things happen then she is intitiled to her settlement as she was not the one who asked for a divorce in the first place.

Need to discuss some issue and out of the respect if i may PM you. plz advise

Hey Fool,

you can marry four not only two.. but the most difficult thins is to statisfy/treat both or four of them in equal manner?? got it??? Its really not possibles to treat or satisfy a woman.. Please understand,

its not practical in present life.... But u shoud have get better idea from Ur Imam or Muslim scholar rathar wasting time here in forum...

thanks.

Casper.

As a canadian woman who converted to the islamic faithand recently married a muslim man I dread the thought of my husband marrying a second, third or forth wife. Even if I will always be wife number one, it gives me no pleasure to have my husband sleeping with other woman weather he be married to her or not. Marriage is a committed contract that should be taken seriously and if your not ready to commit to that one woman and your children for the rest of your life then you need to reconsider getting married. I was not ready for marriage for years. I am 44 now and choose now to be married because I am ready for it. Although I am older than my husband and I dont think I want to have children I do love him dearly and want the best for myself and him. however, contrary to my above beliefs if i choose not to have children then I would be open to my younger husband marrying again so that he could fulfill his biological desires of having children. I would think this only fair. Of course I would want my husband to ask my permission, It would say two things about him if he did this: that he respects me and that he is giving me an opportunity to make a decision as to weather I wanted to stay with him or no. And being a Canadian woman who was brought up with freedom and choices I would appreciate this very much.

Finally I wanted to say has anyone even wonder if the author of this question is serious or not or even it is a woman. There is not much dialog intelligent from them after the question was posed.

Fatima

In a debate you don't just state your opinion, you try to support it with strong arguments to arrive at a consensus. But obviously this won't happen today, so I will agree with you that we should "respectfully agree to disagree" and leave it at that. It was nice debating the issue, and I must say the neveau was very respectable and far above what I've seen in other "debates" on QL so far.

Stay safe till we meet in another debate.

I wasn't trying to convince her of anything. I merely stated my opinion about something that was posted earlier. In fact I'm dropping the whole subject because at this point it's going in circles. Some people agree and other disagree. To pursue this any further would be a waste of time.

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

I don't view polygeny as morally wrong, I view going against one of the person's involved wishes as morally wrong, and I believe that successful polygenous relationships are few and far between, and I don't like the idea of forcing a women into a polygenous relationship because of a "failure" on her part, And finally, I don't believe that there is ever a situation where you're husband wanting to have sex with another women has nothing to do with you or will not effect you.

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If u r not confortable to ur life

better stay away dont suffer.

If u can adjust with ur family its ok

Where u go the same happenings.

The first wife won't get less sex or love. Its all in her head (jealousy). And a free pass to get all the sex they want??? What about all the children that he will have to raise and pay for thier education and pay for their marriages? You're seeing this from only one viewpoint Gypsy. And I would be glad to be alive regardless of whether I was born from a first, second or fourth wife.

That might be true, most probably is in most cases, but it is not a strong argument especially when trying to convince someone who considers polygeny as morally wrong. If one can prove that it is not so, then who is going to ask you why you married again anyway?

It has everything to do with the first wife, she's the one who's got to put up with the new "wife" and her husband's divided affections.

As I said, polygeny in Islam just seems like a free pass for men to get all the sex they want.

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If someone wants a second wife that doesn't mean there is a problem with the first. People mention certain situations so that the PC cops don't get their panties in a bunch. The truth of the matter is that in many cases, men are attracted to more than 1 woman. That attraction has nothing to due with the first wife.

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

The CIA World Factbook.

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But as you see, the failure isn't her choice, it is imposed on her and she can't change it. So what other solution does she have. I agree polygeny is the lesser of two unfavourable situations but it is an optional possible way out. And if all parties agree, then it works. But coming back to the statistics, give me the ratio right after WW2 and propose your solution :D

Where are you getting there statistics??? Russian women are great but my odds might be even better elsewhere ;)

Anyway I hear summers in Moscow are lovely this time of year :P

Yes Zenon, you're correct, its .95 men to 1 women in Russia. :P

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Sorry I was spelling it wrong, I know the difference between polygeny and polygamy.

But every example you say brings up some kind of failure in the first wife, she can't bear children etc. Or a failure in the second wife. These aren't healthy relationships, they're taking advantage of these women's low self esteem.

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I hear Russia has a shortage of men largly due to the decimation of the male population during ww2 from which it hasn't yet recovered.

Ok im off to Moscow ;)

I mentioned before that it can be a solution to problems facing married couples. Consider a woman who can't bear children. Is the couple condemned to a childless family? Or a woman who is handicapped and can't find a spouse as the blind girl I spoke about. Or generally speaking older ladies who haven't had the good fortune of finding a husband but are ready to accept being a second wife instead of being alone for the rest of their lives. Real life puts societies in front of such problems and polygeny is a solution. For your information POLYGAMY is multiple relations by both spouses and is detested and forbidden because it loses the origin of kinship which is a basic human right, the male member being the sole reference for this origin.

Oh, from CIA world factbook: China: at birth:

1.11 male(s)/female

under 15 years: 1.13 male(s)/female

15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female

India:

at birth: 1.12 male(s)/female

under 15 years: 1.1 male(s)/female

15-64 years: 1.06 male(s)/female

Afghanistan, Qatar, Canada and Australia also all have larger ratios of men then women (though honestly it's like 1.05 men for every woman).

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I simply can't fathom why a man would want a second wife?? I can see it from the Mormon sense, which views polygany as the "path to heaven" and both boys and girls are raised with the idea that ploygany is essential. However, that's not how Muslims view it. It's very much seen as a sign the first wife is "incapable" or failed in some way, and I really think that most first wives (note the term most not all) would only agree to it because of low self esteem or fear of the outcome of a divorce.

If you love your first wife, are happy with her, and don't want to hurt her, WHY look for a second?

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I see your point but not everyone goes anbout it that way. What about those who take a second wife without starting a relationship? I have friends who have second wives and when they decided to marry again they went inquired if there were any Muslim women who were looking to get married, they went about it the Islamic way and both women were informed during the entire process.

I think at the end of the day, we just have 2 completely different opinions on the subject. I think we'll have to agree to respectfully disagree. Otherwise we'll keep going in circles.

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

You're right Gypsy, but considering the US has such a LARGE population one can consider the ratio a reference and please feel free to compare other national Census reports from India and China and post them.

And I agree with you totally that consent of the first wife is neccessary and is the right way of doing it. All I was saying in my previous posts is that as an optional legal and socially accepted system, POLYGENY can be a solution for many problems facing married couples and spinsters alike. I won't dispute the fact that it is more sexual pleasure for the husband to have two wives, but it is also more financial burden on him as well. Additionally he puts himself in serious trouble if he treats them differently and could be penalized for that too.

That's the US, it doesn't take into account the WORLD population.

Hash, I said, if all parties concerned agree to the relationship then I have no problems, my argument is if ONE person doesn't agree!

Philly, just judging by many of the sentiments of Muslim men and women on this site about "illegal relations" many view marrying as a way to "legalize" the relationship and make themselves feel better about it. Just because you "legalize" something doesn't better your intentions, if you just want another wife because you aren't sexually satisfied with your current one, then that's still cheating, if you marry her or no.

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Just to end the statistical debate, here some statistics from the US gov: In the year 2000, the US population was 281,421,906 thereof male 138,053,563 and female 143,368,343 i.e. women were 5 million in surplus. Check it at http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/c2kprof00-us.pdf

QED

I feel the way some muslims replies to this are contradictory to the sunnah...and hope this thread will serve as wake up call for every one of us to seek more knowledge in the deen and for the ulamas and schoolars to widen their efforts to spread the truth and teaching the people....there's problem within us its not just the non muslims who mis understood our deen but our very own.

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.We must worship God (ALLAH) the way he want us to do and not on the way he wanted to.

.WE must judge base on his will not on the way we feel.

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"swim like a current,stand like a rock"

Tell her Zambo!LOL(Gypsy)

It can work if all parties respect the rules. So as a system its not bad at all. Then it really doesn't matter anymore what the motive was, although a noble motive is more likely to get the first wife's permission. Bottom line is men and women can make each others lives so much more fun and pleasant through legitimate marriage albeit polygenous (not polygamous Gypsy, that's sthg else), but women can make other women's lives hell by their jealousy. It all depends on your attitude and beliefs, and respect of te rules.

asM i found you have read quran alhamdulillah but insuffecient knowledge of hadith and scholars verdict...or you are trying to create your own opinion?

What is the meaning of Shahada? Two orders are there to believe in Allah and follow the messenger...means read quran and understand it thru hadith....not on the way how you interpret it.

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"swim like a current,stand like a rock"

dont think all men are sex-starved.

Ok..just for an example.

Suppose ur in some place where every woman has a wife, what would u do??

hashimo nice equation....i enjoy it!

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as i Said earlier a week b4? we are happy family of 12 children of 2 mothers and a father. We find no problem so far and glad to tell every one that having a lot of brothers and sisters plus nieces and nephews around is a joy and pride and we can say its a wealth even without money!

.worries of inhiritance? no problem at all bec. there's

nothing to divide any way but we are contented and we r now responsible for our ownselves.

I share this just to contribute to the fact that polygamy is not bad at all..we only have to understand and learn the value of sharing...and hate selfishness and jealousy

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"swim like a current,stand like a rock"

lol your profile says this "I am contented for what I have today "Happy with little" lol that says it all

I don't quite see your argument Gypsy. If it was only about getting some, it would be more convenient for men to just cheat. In fact, men could have a greater variety of women with no responsibility and less financial burden. Straight wham, bam, thank you ma'am. So I'm not feelin your argument but we're still cool.

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

Hmm I can't seem to find a decent link for stats, but the few I'm finding are saying it's 0.98 women for every 1 man.

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To end my contribution to this thread on a pleasant note here's something for laughs:

ROMANCE MATHEMATICS

Smart man + smart woman = romance

Smart man + dumb woman = affair

Dumb man + smart woman = marriage

Dumb man + dumb woman = pregnancy

OFFICE ARITHMETIC

Smart boss + smart employee = profit

Smart boss + dumb employee = production

Dumb boss + smart employee = promotion

Dumb boss + dumb employee = overtime

SHOPPING MATH

A man will pay $2 for a $1 item he needs.

A woman will pay $1 for a $2 item that she doesn't need.

GENERAL EQUATIONS & STATISTICS

A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband.

A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife.

A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend.

A successful woman is one who can find such a man.

HAPPINESS

To be happy with a man, you must understand him a lot and love him a little.

To be happy with a woman, you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all.

LONGEVITY

Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die.

PROPENSITY TO CHANGE

A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't.

A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change, and she does.

DISCUSSION TECHNIQUE

A woman has the last word in any argument.

Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

Islam and the prophet's teaching speak to the contrary. There is no cultural boundary forbidding men of other cultures to marry middle eastern women. It is TRADITION that forbids that. And Islam broke many of those racist traditions and still does. I detest such traditions and believe they are backward. But I still would argue that your statistics are wrong. Women are more than men in this world, so congratulations.

There's no choice for it to be anything but jealousy, however, if all parties don't enter into it willingly.

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That's fair Gypsy. And the orthodox way of doing it IS to take permission from the first wife. Doing it behind her back is really cowardly in my opinion. I know a wife who had a blind girlfriend and asked her husband to take her as a second wife to give her a life that she wanted so much but had a weak chance of getting. Its not all selfishness Gypsy, and it shouldn't be all jealousy either.

Worldwide hash there are more men then women, especially in China and India. The only thing that's stopping Middle Eastern women from marrying men from other cultures IS Islam and Middle Eastern culture. Works out well for all those men wanting second wives huh? Sucks for the girls.

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Hey, personally I believe that if ALL parties are willing to enter into a polygamous relationship, then great. But to do it without your first wife's permission is morally reprehensible.

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I don't know where you got your statistics, but I know for sure that in Egypt today, the number of unmarried women above the age of 35 is 20 million!!! And the case is similar in Sudan which has experienced a ravaging civil war in the south since 1985. Look here in Qatar and ask around, you will find that most Qatari men marry from abroad and a high percentage of original Qatari women are spinsters. So much for your "statistics".

scenario here Gypsy, but of course he should ask her, he should tell the other family that he is already married and want to marry again and some of the second wives are either divorced or lost their husbands or for a reason or another.

Some of them are old and it does not mean that if she is old then her family should force her to get married, but might be afraid that if she would turn this guy down she may not get another chance. The society look in the middle east is really cruel and unfair as the divorced women who got really very low chances of getting married again because of the strange look at them :(

I believe that one wife is more than enough for me, I'm not touching that again [marriage] ... one of the things that you do once in your life if it will go really happy and good ... otherwise, if it fails then it does not mean that I should spend the rest of my life alone, right?

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

Once again, are you a spinster? No. So how do you know how a spinster feels? Stop pretending that polygamy has anything to do with what's beneficial for a woman, all it is is a "legalized" way for men to get what they want.

As AshM just pointed out, there's more MEN in the world then Women.

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You are supporting your argument with practical examples. Fine. I also have some examples of successful multiple marriages in which the wives are friends and live in the same house. A friend of mine here in Doha told me about how he was raised in a family of four wives where one of his step mothers actually loved him more than his own mother. And his relationship with his step brothers and sisters is till today very good. And as I said the jealousy of a wife is nothing compared to the misery of a spinster.

lastly some fact checking

To this date there are more MEN on this plannet earth we live on than women specially women bellow the age of 65 are less in many parts of the world!!!

Get your fact straight people..........

go to

http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock.swf

to check statistics and if you want details about population region by region.. age wise whatever there are many other sites to check :)get in action!

As for the reason... where there is some kind of calamity or natural disastor women and kids the the most to suffer being weak, due to lack of medical supervision in many parts of world upto 25% of women die during their first pregnancy...way of nature.

Don't beleive me?? check for the statistics please.

more will not come now on this topic!

Allah helps those who help themselves!

thanks

Ash

I'm sorry, are you a woman? I believe the answer is No, so how can you presume to guess what a woman would actually feel, or are you simply repeating what your imam tells you?

I know both first and second wives and ALL of the second wives I know said they would rather of remained single then entered into such a male centric selfish institution as a polygamous marriage, and they only reason they entered into in the first place was because of A) pressure from their families or B) the husband never told them about his first wife.

Where is your ego-centric belief that you're helping women in those scenarios? I don't see the man helping anyone but himself there.

As for the children, no they don't see each other as brothers and sisters, they see each other as competition for Daddy's affections.

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Seeing that Ash claims to know a lot more than anyone on this forum about islam, let me put this question to you. What is Usul Al Fiqh and what are the legitimate sources? Simple question.

It hurts more to live your whole life lonely without a loving husband to care for you. Check out women in this country who have passed the age of 35 without marriage. Even if they are rich, money can't buy them what they are missing. I know some and their life is a misery. No prospect of love, children, happy family, etc. Whereas The wife is only hurt cause she can't bear the idea of sharing her husband with another woman. The children don't feel this cause they are brothers and sisters and don't feel the jealousy a wife has towards the other.

Peace all,

well helllllo, i got some very "predictable" answers from the people of many authorities... their last straws!! Anyway non of my business those who want to see the truth will still find their ways. Allah is with them!

And Allah is enough for them!

And the Book is from the lord of heavens and earth none other dear but the thing is you must go by it nothing else and you won't find any unjust that most have been led to believed in it... I am not telling you to believe me but to confirm yourself directly and I invite you all to know Allah and His Devine message one more time, it's the only way to the salvation for the whole humanity!

Please visit www.ourbeacon.com for any ambiguities you have about this Holly Book! It is nothing but the truth!

That's all!

Allah helps those who help themselves!

thanks

Ash

LOL, sorry I was too busy thinking about how men are so concerned about getting "some" from as many sources as possible that they've actually "legalized" hurting their wives and children in such a way.

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And I love how women cannot seem to think an inch beyond their own selfishness. You probably think if you got a man then you're lucky and a woman who doesn't, well tough luck! God is compassionate, and He feels the misery of women who aren't so fortunate to have a loving husband, hence the OPTIONAL legislation of allowing multiple marriages. Think also about all the women who are handicapped or can't bear children. A second marriage may be a solution for them. Hold your emotions back for a second and just think about that Gypsy.

I love how only men seem to think there's anything acceptable at all about marrying two or more women. Makes you realize who REALLY wrote those "holy" books.

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For all the non-muslims out reading this and not understanding the concept of polygeny let me explain. Lets consider human society to be made up of men and women in equal proportion (although women are statistically more but for arguments sake just assume the proportion is the same). Take the men's half and deduct from them those who die in wars, commit crimes and end up in jail, migrate abroad to find work, etc. From the remaining men, deduct those who are unable financially to support a family hence cannot marry. Then take the women's half who seldom fight in wars, goto jail, migrate alone, and who don't have to provide in order to marry. You will end up with an imbalance. So the question becomes, what do the women do who can't find a husband? Their misery is much greater than the jealousy a married woman feels when a husband marries again. This is why God allowed polygeny, not only in islam, but in all heavenly scriptures. Apply this concept to a country recovering from civil war, urban strife, poverty you name it, and you will find that for a man to support more than one wife is an alleviation for women in most of these cases. The question becomes, why has the christian church prohibited it, and how does the church answer societies facing severe hardships such as those aforementioned?

ASH has really gone too far. I totally agree with philly. He is annulling the authority of the Ulema whose resolutions by the way are part of the source of this religion according to Usul Al Fiqh (ever heard of that?) and at the same time asserting his own authority and translation of the Quran! In doing so he is bringing the Quran (according to his explanation) in obvious clash with the Hadith. The Prophet encouraged multiple marriage for many benefits and did NOT put any conditions other than just treatment and fairness between wives. Read the Hadith in which a poor man came to the prophet complaining of poverty and the prophet told him to marry. He said, "but I am poor," but the prophet convinced him and he did. He returned a year later with the same complaint and the prophet encouraged him to marry again. This recurred until he married a fourth wife and his life changed to the better and on asking the prophet, he said "Allah has blessed your fourth marriage." Now which conditions were you talking about ASH?

Respected brothers n sisters,

May i please be allowed to ask a HOLD on this discussion as some of the clarification and exchange sessions may lead to miguide the new learners within and outside Islam (muslims n non muslims).

Being a Muslim = Fully submitting to will of Allah peacefully without any doubt on His Book (Noble Quran) and His further guidance to us in shape of the practises and teachings of His messanger, the prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

The Concerns may educate one to hopefully a good direction but the doubts could mislead as doubts are generally seeded by Satan/Devils....

May Allah Forgive us for all our known and unknown, willing and unwilling mistakes/errors and

[Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured. Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray. (7)] (1:5-7) Aameeen

Because there is a verse in the quran which Allah says (I'm paraphrasing) the men are allowed to marry up to 4 wives. However if a man is not able to do it correctly, then it is better for him to only have 1 wife. Don't let certain people and their mislam (misunderstood concept Islam) confuse you.

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

Abu Saif, I said An Nur because the letter n in arabic is considered from the harouf ash shamsiyah (meaning if an alaf and lam appear in front of it, it takes a shaddah ex. we say Allah is Ar Rahman not Al Rahman).

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

Ash, May Allah guide you because you have no clue. Your answer is soo wrong on sooo many levels that I truely feel sorry for you. It is clear that you have convinced yourself that you are in a position to explain the quran so I won't waste my time. It's funny you dispraise the scholars yet you would have us take YOUR position as the REAL understanding of the quran!!!! It is CLEAR you have NO knowledge of tafsir, usul, manhaj, sunnah, fiqh, or seerah. If someone could read and understand the quran with out any explanation, then why did Allah send all of His books with a Messenger?

Lastly, I would remind you of the haraam nature of speaking about the religion without knowledge. So I hope for your soul's sake you lay low and stay quiet.

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

so why is it that muslims are allowed to marry more than once without being divorced from his first wife?

The translation of the world into “single” does not seem sufficient as the word just not means single as virgin or bachelor, but also widow/ widower divorced male or female so perhaps “singled” is the better way of putting it…and then other criteria are also there like pious ones and with will and liking ;)

Not amazingly you would quote other people of course in using of the words “Allah encourages” (perhaps your way of putting blame on others when the TIME comes right;))while Allah Himself right in the very start of the Surrah Noor is telling you that in this Surah Allah SWT is giving orders that are FARTH(hope you know what it means) and are clear cut!!!

A gentle reminder this is the only Surah that starts with this emphasis about ahkamaats/orders in it( not that I ever consider any other by Allah SWT any less valuable)

So there are NO suggestions as you put it and NO ambiguity in these orders and this is true for all orders throughout the Book!!

Before going further tell me are you going to contradict this verse from your religious experts’ suggestions? Cause if you are I have nothing more to say to you neither about your other authorities as Allah has ordered me not to bad mouth other peoples Gods!!

Allah does know the best but only if you knew that!

Allah helps those who help themselves!

thanks

Ash

If i am not wrong the name of Surah is Al Noor and not An Noor, just a notice.

I quiet align with Philly 24:32 does not concludes to limiting a single marriage.

Again coming back to original question posed by 3-sure, One don't need permission from the 1st wife for second marriage and the justification for second, third or fourth marriage is also not necessary as long as you can balance.... so just peace brothers, who so ever can do this let him do as he is answereable to Allah and Allah know best...

A humble suggestion, discussing the Noble Quran & the Sahih Hadidhs should be done with extreme care as none of has an intention to be unknowingly saying or writing something which we should repent later... May Allah bless us with the guidance to the right path....and forgive us for our mistakes intentional/un-intentional, hidden and un-hidden....Aameeen

Peace Philly,

Glad you at least found the verse :)

Did you find the other verses after that talking about restrictions on others people and then on restriction for the Prophet? Well I hope your OTHER books of explanations have good excuses for those, supported by some more history counts of course? One say this and one says that but you’ll rather go by them, than trying to understand what Allah says because it suites you whichever “suggestion”you can pick right!

I am not surprised at all you had to find the verse because I can see from your answer you’re better versed in history books than The Message itself… a typical excuse for all who want to deviate from the Book and find ways that they don’t want to find in the Book itself which states it explains itself, has no contradiction and is easy to understand. It’s open to all humanity and the only criteria to understand it is to have pious heart and pure intentions!!(Hope you know about these verses!)

The verse you quote about going to an expert is not for religious experts but expert of any field so perhaps you can check out a language expert to understand the language but not the message! That's also why you go to a doctor when you get sick not just stay home praying to Allah you get better!!! BUT there is no authority in Deen but Allah n first you have to stick to this very basic and first criterion of being a MUSLIM! HE never made any authorities!

But I’ll give you benefit of doubt because like most of the people that’s the way you have been TOLD the way it is!

cont..........

Ash, I read the ayah you noted from surah An- Nur. I see how the English translation makes it appear that this verse is a command for only single people to marry. So I followed the statement of Allah, "Ask the people of knowledge if you don't know." SO I looked the ayah up in 8 books of tafsir (Ibn Katheer, Al Qurtubi, At Tabari, Tafsir Al Jallalain, Tafsir Al Baghawi, Tafsir Ibn Abi Hatim, Taiseer Kareem Ar Rahman fi Tafsir Kalaam Al Manaan from Abdur Rahman As Sa'adi, and Adwanul Bayan from Muhammed Ameen Ash SHanqinti), a book which deals with the verses of ahkam (verdicts and obligations), and a book of asbab an Nazool (the reason and condition why an ayah was revealed). Not one of these books have stated the opinion you mentioned that it is only permissible for a person to marry 1 time. Not one book mentioned this verse abbrogated polygeny. Rather these books all mentioned that the ayah you mentioned is an encouragement for the Muslims to marry. It also is an encouragement to help and encourage those who you are in responsible for (like orphans, mature children (not pedafiles), servants during that time, etc.) to get married if they have a desire to do so. That's why Allah added at the end of the verse "If they be poor, Allah will enrich them out of His bounty."

So even though this verse encourages single people to get married, it DOES NOT abbrograte or negate polygeny and Allah knows best.

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

..and one more thing, I don't speak with authority as I am a believer who knows that authority belongs to non but the Creator Himself and I just remind people HIS words which they can confirm themselves!! unlike many who claim to be muslims yet look for or already have many authorities to follow whoever they feel convenient, other than ALLAH!

Well Allah has some words for such people too who look for excuses when Allah's orders have already come.

Allah helps those who help themselves.

thanks

Ash

Peace dear Philly,

good to see someone interested in knowing...but if you are interested in truth only then you can see it, that is right in front of you but if you are interested only for the sake of change ...it won't help!

Any way to help you out the last verse that is order about who to marry is 24:32

thats the verse 32 of Surah An Noor.(a conviniently forgotten one!)

Please note that Surah Noor starts with a reminder that Allah SWT is giving orders to be fulfilled. After this Allah SWT is talking about marraiges of prophet PBUH who he can and who he cannot and in the same verses reminds him that Allah knows about the restriction HE has placed for the rest of the people and after that even the Prophet PBUH is stopped for marrying anymore!!!!

Now I am not saying exact words, you can and should do a little homework yourself, and please I am not the only one who knows this fact! Check, confirm and then we can talk any further.

Allah helps those who help themselves!

thanks

Ash

Really 3sure hunk3r. You've chosen the most inappropriate place and audience to ask such a question and are on the verge of making a fool of yourself, if you haven't done so already. How are you actually going to qualify the answers you're getting? According to how close it is to your interest? Or based on the authority of the person answering which is hard to verify on an anonymous forum? Or do you want the references from the Quran translated and explained in a few lines? Really, you sound like a very confused young man and I suggest you take PH's advice and go learn your religion in the RIGHT place before making a fool of yourself.

Ash I think you should read the quran again before making such brash statements. There is no Islamic text to support what you said.

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

i know him guys he is NOT MUSILM HE IS HINDU U SHOULD BE BLOCKED

Peace,

If you have decided to get married no advice you seem to seek will have any effect.. But once and for all please DO NOT do it in the name of Islam , you don't need that excuse because you are only using Islam to fulfill your own desire! Islam DOES NOT allow you to marry any other woman for any reason. The order for upto four wives was FOR specific reasons, UNDER strict circumstances AND was SPECIFICALLY DENIED for the fulfillment of lust!!!

It was then banned for muslims in general and later even for the Prophet PBUH and the finally the last HUKM/order about marraige is only for marrying SINGLE and PIOUS person, with consent and likeness for male or female both!!!

Everything is clear cut given in Quran in perfect order .. gradual strictness like for all other problems of that age , like khamar/ alchoholism etc..

I have all the references all in this BOOK QURAN if you need but you will not, I know because like the people who have set asside the true message for their lusts and use history more to justify their actions are all their for your convinience, you'll rather quote and folow them because it's all about your lust and desire!

Anyway this message is for those people too who when see someone is Muslim automatically assume they are allowed to marry 4 wives ... well they are not and thats why most of them don't and the true message says that and it's all open and their own, for everyone, to read themselves and makeup their minds and be what they want to be.

Islam is a way of life, a Deen Not a religion and a muslim is the one who changes his ways as per this Deen.

Allah helps those who help themselves!

thanks

Ash

know her for long time drives you to think bad about me?? well knowing her simply bec. i know her not bec i have relationship with her, but it means i know her family, her place her school and i know her character and we are in the same community and take note our community is not as here in qtar or in gulf privacy is so strict that you dont know even your neighbor!, love bec. she is good muslima,like her character and knew her reputation.

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.I say I love my kids and wife simply to give impression that i dont want any divorce could happen.

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.see the simplicity of the question u make it so complicated..any way hope you get what i mean.

"Happiness keeps you Sweet, Trials keep you Strong, Failure Keeps you Humble, Success keeps you Glowing, But only God keeps you Going"

philly...i met this lovely arab lady yesterday who did tell me women who are say 30 and older and still single are usually frowned upon. She also maintained that most marriages are arranged. I understand your position a little more but also feel that maybe there are too many rules regarding courtship and marriage. Perhaps if they were relaxed a little women might be able to marry men who dont have to be from a certain family or hold a certain status and their choices would increase. This would take time though...

why dont u make a story and tell your wife that a freind of your's want to marry should he ask his wife or not, whatever answer your you get act accordingly.

Live and let live...

Like I said earlier Labda, you may be fortunate enough to not find yourself in the situation I posted earlier. This has nothing to do with superman / uberman/ caveman / or anyman complex. This is a reality of life for many woman. It should also be noted that a single Muslim man or woman is expected to refrain from any and all forms of sexual activity until marriage. Having a fling or 1 night stand is not an option for a Muslim who is trying to practice their religion correctly. It is a well known fact that especially in Arab countries there is a high number of women who never get married. So if polygeny is sooooo evil, give us another solution (not directed at labda specifically but at everyone who is oppossed to polygeny).

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

This is 2nd time I have copy pasted your words now read and know yourself first

3sure-hunk3r said people you have to understand ...

we are allowed to marry up to four but iam thinking of up to 2 only...I love this other girl i knew her for long time, and i love my wife and kids too..

You are already in HARAM way of living ""I love this other girl I knew her for long"" how can you love non mahram and how can you befriend her???

oh I thought those two ladies up had already refresh their though....seem they r really hard headed....

and paradoxical they accept with but... and spin they,re judging and accusing as if they see and know the character in the issue.

girl friend and boy friend thing juridically haram...but falling inlove is also haram? these two need psychologist

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eagle i agree with you...all of the above

"Happiness keeps you Sweet, Trials keep you Strong, Failure Keeps you Humble, Success keeps you Glowing, But only God keeps you Going"

Philly...Im not but I come from a society where it's culturally acceptable. Im not against it, but I dont know it just seems emotionally unfair on the first wives especially ???

Eco, there are many people who aren't honest with themselves concerning this issue. On one hand they say it is halaal, yet if anyone ever tries to practice this part of the religion then they are vilified falsely using a verse from the quran as proof that men can't be just (Please people read the tafsir of the ayah before commenting). So will say its halaal, but only a few would be patient and practice what they preach.

In regards to finding a wife in a haraam way, I agree with you. That even applies to finding a first wife.

Labda befoe I answer you,are you a Muslimah?

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

Philly...."so if some men didn't have more than 1 wife that would leave millions of women in a state of forced celibacy"...

Aaaah the ultimate superman complex. Women must be rescued. Why do some men delude themselves that women are scrambling all over the place for them. Honestly? We're not. No male bashing here - just a good ol' dose of the truth.

tell me which muslim is against polygamy? no one can reject sunnah if one does then he/she is not muslim.

I am against his behaviour which is unislamic, you cannot fall in love, we are not PAGANS

what is the correct way to propose?

I know this post will get shot down by all the ladies but I'll give it the old college try. I was listening to the quran channel from Saudia Arabia last week. There was a program talking about the issues that affect the country. On this particular day that issue was about women who aren't able to marry for what ever reason (many reasons were listed but they aren't directly related to my point). The presenter of the show was interviewing a man who had a 70 year old aunt who never married because she didn't want to marry from her own tribe. The man said he asked his aunt she felt about not being able to be married. She told him that she reached a point where she was so lonely and desperate she would have married a DOG if there was any way it could have been made halaal!!!!

I understand that most non Muslims won't be able to relate to what I'm saying. I'm not mad at ya. So to my Muslim brothers and sisters out there remember that Allah has blessed many of us to be married. We should not forget the status of women like the one mentioned earlier. So if a Muslim man has the ability to be just and can take financially take care of more than one woman this benefits the whole of Muslim society. Zina is haraam, so if some men didn't have more than 1 wife that would leave millions of women in a state of forced celibacy. So I ask all the married Muslim women would you like that for yourselves? If not, then remeber your sisters who are in such a condition.

Lastly, we as Muslim men have to fear Allah. We have been in some cases down right trifling to our wives may Allah forgive us. Don't we see that the our behavior has caused many Muslim women to hate polygeny? So if we expect our women to be patient with polygeny, we have to step up to the pump and handle our business. May Allah make us better husbands. Ameen.

I'm sorry the post was so long. I'll try to be more contrite (school word) in the future.

"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."

Homey Da Clown

he he 3 na kita nyo dii, awun pa dugaing?

.nice knowing that..

"swim like a current,stand like a rock"

Darude,

What’s your source of information????

It is no where mentioned in any Hadith, that a Husband should seek permission from his wife for another marriage (or any other thing).... and ya a Woman always has a right to ask for diviorce but with a valid reason, and her disapproval for her husband's second marriage is not a valid reason according to Islam until it is mentioned in special clause column in the marriage agreement signed between bride and groom .

Take care

“We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give.”

Sir Winston Churchill

Salam! Glad to have another Filipino Taosug in this site:)))

-->Maunu-uno na kaw? Yari kaw ha Qatar?

Darude theres more in islamic persfective than just the right you mentioned....islam is not within a can of sardines its scope is universal..

as i said pls lets end this thread lets move to something new, other wise be racing like a rat here..

"Happiness keeps you Sweet, Trials keep you Strong, Failure Keeps you Humble, Success keeps you Glowing, But only God keeps you Going"

any one any right to play with its sunnah. equality is the main thing thing between wife and husband and that i am guessing that your 1st wife doesnt know anything about your relations NOW THATS CHEATING AND THATS NOW ALLOWED IN ISLAM

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its your first wife right to get her permission. else you might lose your 1st wife. she will ask you for divorce or will ust leave.

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I feel vindicated-at the end of the thread truth had prevailed! my act and intent is not against or in any way harm islam.it is within the realm of islam

as always the case truth comes at the end.

Unless any one will make contradictory post after this..

my advice pls lets end this now.

Long LIVE the sunnah...

kimikat- I wish all muslimah have same attitude as you are....this is the hardest and toughest challenge for woman yet if she survives there can be no other precious price than Jannah.

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

the possible thing you must to ask permission but.... if she's not agree you can marry the other one legally then in the future you can tell it her... marrying another Muslim woman in Islam is not haram... big YES... If I am the 1st wife.. well it's ok.. you're the man, but be fair for everything.

BEST WISHES!!

Please read this at least once and decide

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/85607

Please read these links too and see why prophet married more than one, and compare your situations

or ask them if you want technical answers

http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996015454&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1203757639209

ecosavvy a muslim must always be a muslim and be ready at all times! even in a mix forum like this our views should be within islamic persfective, now can you classify for me an islamic and non islamic issues?

has any one here see awrat in the pic? which one ecosvy the shoulder or the head? It shows u should improve your knowledge about the deen!

_boggled i hope you will not eat pig again as you hate this matter.

-greentea not all filipino is x'tian...

-kelly u r right as others too... what saddened me is their attitude un islamic and even their concepts.

Islam told us to love the prophet and his sunnah!

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

zambo nice meeting you here

abuadil-thanks for the info.

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

No permission required but better to let her know is the answer...

Polygamy is the most discussed topic in entire world.

iam from a family from 2nd wife of my father, for us theres no problem we are all 12 children 6 on each mother, our mothers understand each other, our father knows how to manage, but when hardtimes come, our mothers and us understand it, we know the situation for financial prob.

it is widely practice by us filipino muslim by the way..

my advice bro. you may or may not tell ur wife its ok!

.hariin kaw katuh ha mindanao?

swim like a current,stand like a rock

A simple answer to this question is you should inform your first wife before doing this and your next wife should be knowing that u are already married and having a wife, but there is no need to take permission...

“We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give.”

Sir Winston Churchill

Good morning dear.

If you had the chance to read my first reply to this thread, it was along the same lines as you have mentioned above.

The funny thing is some of the so-called ladies here who would like to give the impression they are Mary the Virgin and want to give us ethical lectures. They start their ethical lectures with calling the guy Pig.

I do not care about Hunk identity or religion. He could be even a she. One cannot tell. But attacking a concept with is allowed in Islam that way and on the other hand support gay marriage or having kids outside marriage and one night shot (per hour) is all allowed and normal and ethical

Sorry. I mentioned it before and am mentioning it here. Will not tolerate anything that touches my religion in a wrong way.

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How many loves you can carry or you can reserve an equal space in your heart?One or two?

A honest answer for yourself will guide you...

There is an issue here, not the name calling part of course, however, even if it is his right to take a second wife his first wife has right to agree or disagree he is taking that right from her (hypothetically) is this fair?

No he wants to have his cake and eat it, we are nottalking about some shadowy affair here we are talking about a second lifetime committment and it means his faniancial means upon his death will be distributed between the wives - think of the shock of the first wife when she finds out that she has to share with others.

I do beleive I read/heard somewhere recently that this was the case.

In my opinion he should take it through with his partner and see what reaction he gets.

PhillyEagles2007

Yes it is an issue, and yes I do know one very well educated woman who is a second wife, but she lives solely with the husband here in Doha the other wife is in Egypt.

I would appreciate if you would not mince my words. Women ARE now more educated and WORKING earning their own money. Many will not agree to a second wife - they are more independant and can FINANCE their own lives nowadays, a very different picture to years ago.

Then there are the very clever ones who make a pre-nuptual agreement - no second wife.

In my opinion they should all be clever and get the pre-nup agreement to protect them from future disasters.

i get a feeling you're not a muslim... me thinks the way you ask and respond to others' replies is that you are contemplating on becoming a muslim to justify you're marrying a second time...ur not even so familiar with what are permissible and not in Quran as Alexa have stated.. hmmm ... AM I RIGHT OR AM I RIGHT ????

The real identity of Hunk is not the issue.

What concerns me is how some of the ladies went nuts and very rude and impolite about the concept

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My goodness there are over hundreds of posting on this thread by hunk, so many people are over emotional over this case, I find it rather funny because who knows at the end of the day his wife (who might love him too much) might just give her consent and blessing or she might just divorce him - lol - Only Allah knows best ..... lets wait and see how hunk handle his personal problem ......

hi all,

in any case, you need your first wife approval (which is not something already done i guess...).

Enjoy =)

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with his naked profile?

No sane person will ask this type of questions in forums unless he is big time devil. Islamic topics are discussed with Learned ppl and if he has ever read Surah Nisa then this question wont be here.

And think twice before answering and calling names.

I wonder after reading some of your replies if you are still classified as ladies.

Besides. Calling a man who considers having another wife "Pig". means that you are insulting Islam. Since this is allowed in Islam.

Wonder if a person loves another lady is a pig. so what do you consider a lady who is having more than one boyfriend or having extra marital affairs or having kids outside marriage?

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Pease read these links or ask them if you want technical answers

http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996015454&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1203757639209

NO WONDER YOU ARE GETTING BALD!!! I HOPE ALL YOUR HAIR FALLS OFF YOU GREEDY PIG!!! MARRYING MORE THAN ONE WOMAN IS A SIGN OF GLUTTONY ANYWHERE YOU LOOK AT IT. AND IT IS NEVER FAIR FOR THE WOMAN NEVER!

hunk

Please Read this and decide

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/85607

I asked before - how could he develop "love" for the second lady so quickly. Must have been a while then. That's cheating on the wife "for a while" already.

If he has only met her recently, is he sure this second lady is right for him ? Isn't it a bit hasty to talk about MARRIAGE ? Unless maybe a baby pending is part of the problem.

In the case of prostitution and one-night stands, it is cheating but in most cases, the man doesn't want long-term follow-up such as calling him on the phone or asking for allowance and gifts and definitely not marriage.

In your case, i would see it that you are still cheating your wife but assuming with a decent lady and then you are head over heels over this lady and talking about marriage. Big mistake. How real is this relationship ?

Hunk3 - you may escape the asking of permission and go marry the 2nd wife (because the religion does not require seeking permission), BUT you cannot escape facing her everyday - knowing that she is curious when you started dating secretly behind her back and asking herself whether she can find peace to live and share you with the 2nd wife (in the house, weekends, bed, etc).

Getting married is the easy part, living together after that is the tough part.

NO WONDER YOU ARE GETTING BALD! IT IS KARMA I HOPE ALL YOUR HAIR FALL OUT YOU PIG!!!

but he was asking whether to say or not. he was not asking for fatwa . I belive so. So if anyone has an experience may advice him.

Assalamu 'Alaikum

Brother u said "and in islam it is better to say no or i dont know than to give answer that you are not sure of..

". SO i advice you to ask the people who know about it, the best way is to ask a practising scholar. About marriage it for sure Allaah blessed the men with the option of marrying more than one and limited to four. Alhmadulillaah. and sisters here muslims and non muslims i can give an advice for u. It is better for you that not to share your husband with a public property & it is always better for you to treat your fellow sister to share your happiness & blessings & not to let her (you sister) to be a public property.

And brother ask your frnds who has experience in this and again better from a scholar.

u can marry 4 if u want that what Islam says.

you can tell her i wanna marry but u do't need her permission.

wait wait wait ...i think he is not a muslim and he is trying to imbarace islam shame on u man shame

In that case shame on everyone who sleeps with their boy friends and girl friends, cuz its prostitution. Shame on every girl who looks at a guy with lust or a guy who masterbates on porn. Fix urself first then come and point fingers at others. What the hell.

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You know, that you are screwed, when ur phone rings, while you sneak into your own house like a thief and your wife is asleep at 3 am in the morning... Perhaps that would be the last time you enter your own house lol.

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Why the hell is everyone judging this guy, he asked a question, now just reply and leave him alone. May be this guy is not even muslim.

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You know, that you are screwed, when ur phone rings, while you sneak into your own house like a thief and your wife is asleep at 3 am in the morning... Perhaps that would be the last time you enter your own house lol.

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Ofcourse he does.

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You know, that you are screwed, when ur phone rings, while you sneak into your own house like a thief and your wife is asleep at 3 am in the morning... Perhaps that would be the last time you enter your own house lol.

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go ahead baby bat be fare between both of them

just need to tell her, no permission is required, this is what the law says.

Grow up and be realistic. You have shocked me by the way you bashed 3sure and started calling him names.

Man. It is not advisable to have another wife. Weigh things properly and consider all the consequences. Can you afford 2 wives? Can you support them now and after some 30 or 40 years? Can you bring happiness to both?

If you think that your wife does not get crazy about you having another wife, then you will need to tell her as Apple mentioned and it is better to get her approval.

I always believe that any wife prefers that her husband is having an affair to having another wife. They are selfish and not realistic in my opinion.

Look around ladies. What is the percentage of married men who are 100% loyal to their wives and are not having an affair. I bet we are talking about less than 10%.

Bottom line. Men should cheat their wives. Have affairs. Even have some business with hookers. Just to maintain their wives' ego.

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cool there's a divorce in the philippines but the bummer is ONLY for muslims.. :/

so have you 3sure asked your wife or still getting all the guts you can gather.. :P

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ONE IS enough

but back to ur topic ya sure and must ask his wife

but if u wanna the truth i see its a bad idea to marry 2

coz ill say again one enough

cyaaaaaaaa

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Faith is the bird that sings when the dawn is still dark

Based on your profiles, you are a Filipino?...

My answers....You don't need to take permission and/or approval from your wife marrying another woman. You just need to inform your wife with your intention for marriage. And weither your wife agreed or not, you are still ALLOWED to marry. Though, in my opinion...it's NOT ADVISABLE!

And YES! there is divorce in the Philippines for Filipino Muslims ONLY! based on PD-1083 as per Shariah Law.

-->Wish you good luck for a happy marriage life *I doubt though*:))))))

I wish ur wife cheats on you..... First u r a human being then a Musilm; would u ever like your spouse to SPREAD LOVE like you...... For a man like you, the wife should.....

thats enogh said for this post...

i think u don't have awife and u don't have any other woman...

so F off and end it now...

am rearly angry now from all this BLA..BLA..BLA...

live and let other to live...

3sure you never replied to my comments

Iam hurt but not from the bad comments thrown on me but the way some muslims react. seems they have not yet accepted or understood islam fully as it should be.

what more from the non muslims..

For the muslims the issue should be no longer of whether allowed or not allowed in islam to marry more than one wife, bec. we all know that is already permitted even practice since the time of history, but it is not as expected from the muslim.

besides the rule here is that its ALLOWED not IMPOSED upon us muslim, i wonder what will be the situation if this kind was imposed or wajib upon us? maybe those who objects above will change thier belief! auju billah!

Allowed for those who can and are able to do so and if he likes, and if you dont like for what ever reason then up to you! no question ask.

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infact my post is very simple, should or should not ask the consent of the wife? because in Isalam it is valid marriage whether with or with out the consent of the wife...my point of asking and I was thinking i can get good idea, which is more preferable getting the wife consent or not?

all i thought was wrong as I checked the whole forum with different types of issues it seems no topic that every one doesn,t know.

but when it comes to this islamic issues which is should be our way of life, i can say few have learned and with good hearts.

For those who defended the real sunnah..thank you!

May allah increase our knowledge about our faith

Assalamu alaykum!

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Since you are Muslim and you knew that Islam does not require a husband to tell his wife , then why the hell did you post the question?

Anyway.. Life goes on!

3sure-... u r not reading .

When did I ever say don't inform the first wife? All I'm saying is that in Islam it is allowed. This practice has nothing to do with being independent or educated. This is a religious issue cut and dry. There are plenty of independent and educated women who are married to men who have more than one wife. In fact if you think hard enough you may even think of one who lives in Qatar!!! So are you saying she is not independent or educated because of her situation!!!

The bottom line is this is part of our way of life. If someone wants to marry more than 1 woman, then he should keep this in mind when he marries his first wife. Nonetheless, it is his Islamic right to do so if he wishes. This concept is radically different then the western view. I think we should let it go and agree to disagree.

Its strange so many QLers are bashing him for seeking a second wife.........

Is it not better to have a second wife then to go and seek an affair.... and visit prostitutes .... and illegitimate relations and I am not talking about Qatar but the western perspective...

While nobody there has issues with Live in Relationships and consesnual sex and blah blah ...

Everybody is heckling this for having legal maritial relationships......

Strange are the ways of ..........

ecco... no where is written to fall in love but person can know other person in different way,

my advice was only to the guy's thread. i have not seen where he said he fall in love.

"He who does not thank people, does not thank Allah" prophet Muhammed (pbuh)

but 100% not get the permission from his wife..

We have had this subject many times now on QL amd although many men dream of having more wives, women just don't like it.

As the Arabic and Muslim nations develop more and more women are becoming independant, many of them are now visiting universities and going to work - this is a changing reality in the Muslim man's world.

So you men of many women have to accept changes and a great deal of women now will not accept second/third or fourth wives they can support their families independantly and the sooner you all begin to realise this the better.

Marriage is sacred to all the poeple who believe in marriage and one wife is plenty I am quite sure.

ADULTERTY is going on all over the world but there are still masses of people out their who do respect their families and beliefe in fidelity.

I for one will always oppose this idea for the rights of the first wife, and marrying a second one without iforming the first is just plain cowardice!!!!!

paganism at its peak

do not advise unless you read his post, HE IS IN LOVE WITH ANOTHER GIRL and thats cheating

You are flirting, In islam you are not ALLOWED TO FALL IN LOVE, YOU ARE INTO FILTHY RELATIONSHIP

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3sure-hunk3r said people you have to understand ...

we are allowed to marry up to four but iam thinking of up to 2 only...I love this other girl i knew her for long time, and i love my wife and kids too..

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Hey I am not physically disabled in anyway.. I am a very smart, educated, beautiful and most of all a very intelligent young woman of 33.. The only problem is that the men that I have come across in my life are big time loosers and they don't have stamina to handle a strong willed woman like me because they know they can't rule me or make me a door mat. I have got a very good job and perfectly capable of looking after myself.. I have no problems whatsoever marrying a divorced man or a widower but there is on way would I even consider being a second wife of a married man.. A second wife nothing else but a legal mistress in the eyes of society.

Now tell me that what you just wrote was quite insane about what you asked Kareena...

I mean, so what you are not able to find a person that loves you as Numero Uno, doesnt mean you cant lead life single all till destiny, it is good and helpful to stay single rather than be Second to someone...FCKU off mate, that is such a lame explanation for a second wife...I mean its nothing personal in both of us mate but that isnt a way life should run, if the wife accepts for the second marraige of her husband, then she might as well be SHOT right in the HEAD!!!LOL!!!

marrying more than 4 wives is not culture but its Islamic teaching clearly stated by the Quran with condition following.

"If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one" (Quran 4:3).

"He who does not thank people, does not thank Allah" prophet Muhammed (pbuh)

I don't agree. Islam allows a man to marry more than one woman and I'm not going to apologize for saying I agree with my religion. Having 2 or more spouses is no not cheating the same way. The argument having more than 1 wife is cheating is a false analogy. Like Allah said in surah al baqarah ayah 275

"That is because they say trading is like riba (interest, usury) whereas Allah has permitted trading and forbidden riba..."

Allah has permitted multiple amrriages and He has forbidden fornication and adultery. So for Muslims, case closed.

By the way, please don't use the weak and feeble Muslims (may Allah guide them and us, ameen) who commit sins as a proof our religion is flawed. Rather it is they who are flawed and unless they repent, they will soon see the error of their ways.

Marrying more wives and being born and raised a Muslim is a culture and a way of life - Muslims identify themselves this way and the need to protect the family.

Thank you no need to instruct me about infidelity as this is also a culture and not a religon.

However if you take all this into consideration, the person who asked this question is already practising infedelity on his wife as he is thinking of another woman already, not taking his wife and family into consideration only his personal needs. Do you think with his question he is protecting his family??

its total sick to read such stupid comments to this guys honest request for advice.

brother Allah has made legal for you to marry 4 as long as you meet the requirements, if you think you can be justice to them, you have to discuss with your first wife about this first and made a decision together.

"He who does not thank people, does not thank Allah" prophet Muhammed (pbuh)

Just agree that they do cheat I know they do so would be difficult to tell me otherwise!!!

Cheating/ Taking another wife, Same Same.

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Cheating isn't a mistake. Cheating is a choice clear and simple. In addition people who cheat usually don't do it one time. In our religion it is allowed for a man to have more than 1 wife. Cheating is not allowed for many reasons.

I know you hae a thing against religion so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Eventhough I am a Muslim, I am totally against a man having more than one wife. I am single woman I have lost count of the number of married men who have proposed to me and wanted me as a second wife. These so called Muslim men feel that they have the right to do so. I have rejected all these proposals because I would never break another woman's heart or hurt her intentionally.

and by the way many marriages in Western countries are also adding the wifes name. By the way I am a female had you looked at the profile.

"So if you believe so deeply in the Holy Book and Allah, and are quoting what it allows and does not allow why does infidelity exist among Muslims? I would suggest that you start to fear Allah more and rather sit at home and read your Quran and look for the answers.!!!" This is what all of you should be doing praying to Allah to get his judgement not ours.

keep on, wizz14. i will have more questions concerning islam.

Finally, this is some advice to all of the Muslims who may read this thread. We should remember that we need to observe better akhlaq with our brothers and sisters. How can a Muslim make dua for him to lose his wife and children? I've read posts telling the brother to go to hell, insulting him, yet no one has asked Allah to guide him!!! Didn't our prophet say none of you truly believe until you want for your brother what you want for yourself. So telling another Muslim to go to hell (which is a dua) or hoping that his family breaks up (which is akin to hasad) is not from the guidance of Islam.

I am not supporting hunk, nor am I against him. However I am saddened by the low level of courtesy we extend to each other.

Bro,....... Your question is directed to a wrong forum.. It should be posted in an Islamic Forum who can give you qualified advice.....

As far as I Know, you can marry a second time without informing your first wife if you meet the requirements... As long as there is no such condition which prohibits this in your marriage contract.. Not many people know that a woman can mention in her marriage contract that a man may not take a second wife as long as she is married to him....

Having said that it is "Husna" preferred that you inform the first wife....

I still will ask you how many men from any Muslim society are unfaithful to their wives despite what their religeon tells them, many, you could put 3/4 of Qatar in that basket not to mention other states around the Gulf alone check internet dating sites.

So if you believe so deeply in the Holy Book and Allah, and are quoting what it allows and does not allow why does infidelity exist among Muslims? I would suggest that you start to fear Allah more and sit rather at home and read your Quran and look for the answers.!!!

swissgirl39

It is not that simple as it is a way of life and many wives will agree to it as they have been brought up with the knowledge it can happen to them.

Personally I don't see the difference between cheating and marrying a 2nd wife. One in the same to me. Worse frankly, because if you cheat, at least you can say it was a mistake, whereas if you marry another woman, the reminder of your husbands infidelity is rubbed in your face all the time.

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"At least with a one night stand there's no lasting reprecutions."

Have you lost your mind? How many innocent women here in Qatar have contracted stds because their husbands had "harmless one night stands" in Thailand, Lebanon, Dubai, Bahrain, etc.? No one talks about it in public, but if you listen carefully enough, you will hear some horror stories!

Secondly, there is no doubt that marriage is better than fornication and adultery. So it IS better to have two wives then have one wife and be adulterous (eagerly waiting to see how the haters respond to that). That being said, as brothers we have to fear Allah and be just if we take that step. It is sad but true that many men don't fear Allah concerning their wives. However I have noticed that a bad husband is a bad husband no matter how many wives he has! So we ask Allah to make us better husbands toour wives. Ameen. Before ya'll start hatin, I have one wife.

brother 3sure - hunk 3r you will never get correct answer to your thread. people will just keep on talking unwanted things. I have checked with aalim (scholar) and as per islamic law there is no need to take permission of your first wife for your second marriage if you love the second girl just go ahead and marry her instead of keeping love relationship or commiting adultery which is gunnah as per islam. Its better if you check the islamic websites where you will be able to get information about islam or having two wives

hunk so you have re-phrase your thread, ok, the answer is YES YOU MUST GET PERMISSION FROM YOUR WIFE regardless of whatever guideline you have met to marry again. So if you intent to get married without her knowledge then its consider CHEATING in Islam.

Beware when you asked your wife (since you say you love her and your children) the answer might be for you to choose "Me or Divorce - No other deal". This is a very common answers these days - we Muslim women are not so easily bullied ok. This happens to my friend and she is divorced and happily married to another man and she even got custody of the children ... lol... So hunk remember you cant have your cake and eat it .....

his gf is also involved.she knows she is dating a married man.she knows he is having kids.so she should be more intelligent and kick him out of her life.i think both do not know what they are doing.

and at the end will be 3 loosers.him,his wife and kids and his gf.it cant have a happy end.

cheers

you tell to your wife...explain to her..if she asked why? you give the answers...if she requested that you will introduced the other woman to her, do it...If your wife feels peace with her...and your wife will analyze that the other woman needs you to be her husband (for many legal reasons)...wait for the comments or reply from your wife..

Some wives understand depending on the sitautaion.And some "your other woman" understand also what is the situation.

But you know what? "Even a king in a palace can marry hundreds in a year but he have always 1 Queen always with him". If I am 1 of the king's wife, i will be too much hurt and jealous and i will ask you "WHY? ARE YOU NOT PROUD OF ME ALSO? WHY ONLY HER?"

Brod, if you are ready to answer and explain evrything and always repeatedly (the same questions everytime you are beside each one) asking from your wives (nature of females); then buckle up and prepare for yourself..

Set a good timing to talk with your 1st wife...don't forget to give us news okay?

"To defeat your opponent, observe his style, copy & apply towards him"

DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT OTHERS WANT TO DO UNTO YOU.

You are not looking for a no or an opinion you are looking for the easiest way out, without informing your wife.

Love at first sight ? Nah..

Secret dating with a lady behind your wife's back. That must obviously be wrong. Who can say that's acceptable (whatever religion or principles).

Now you want to get married and still keep your current wife. Do you think your wife won't ever find out ? Is this your question - tell her now or let her find out later ?

What are your reasons for not wanting to tell her ? You must know that it hurts her, that's why, right ?

If you still have lots of love as you said. You mean your current wife can receive enough or you are not giving it to her - hence you are overflowing and need to find a way to release the extra ?

Well, if you can answer these questions ... maybe you are getting close to an answer without asking in this forum. Whatever decision .. it is better made yourself then later blaming on someone who gave advice (be it friend, religious person, or a social forum whom does not know you enough).

Agree with DG, get off the soap box Abu, what you are recommending will hurt his wife and children. At least with a one night stand there's no lasting reprecutions. Seriously I don't understand where some peoples heads are.

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Then if ou would live by the law of Islam you would know that marrying another woman without her consent is the same as the sedcond wife being a permanant one night stand so something like a paid whore because your wife is unaware of the marriage. As the sendo marriage is only of value when it is done in an upright manner and I guess your wife is not in the mood to tolerate a second actress on the stage with her.

You only agree with ABU because he is on your side but a lot of what he says is not authentic anymonre in this day and age.

The rate of inifidelity is very high among Muslims may I inform you although they can take more wives and none of the people I know care if they are cheating on their wives or not.!!!

What you are proposing is just plain cheating!!!

and in islam it is better to say no or i dont know than to give answer that you are not sure of..

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Honestly if this wer the case there would not be a social group on QL.

Abu, you can get off of your mile high soapbox now. Please don't speak for or judge all Muslims. We are all entitled to our opinion. This blanket opinion that some think all Muslims have or should have is very wearing.

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religious conviction they have now, both should be ready for such a thing to happe. I was just curious why 3shure is asking when he knows that it is allowed in their religion (although the guidelines is really very strict, and yet many still "satisfy it" because many Muslims have multiple wives).

Maybe, just maybe, her first wife is so exposed to the real world right now and was somewhat learned from the other culture or religion of what is the advantage or what is nice about monogamy compare to polygamy.

My advice 3shure, talk to your wife with an Imam (?) as witness and decide about this for yourselves.

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

people I had re-phrase now the tiltle of this post bec it seems that i mislead some or just they misunderstood it.

thnks abuamerican i though no one in this forum has a real and authentic islamic view....

this topic, me or may not me but it concerns all muslims it could happen its happening but as you says most of them has thawrted the truth...

and acused me of being lustful whatever....and give bad impression about islam..

isn't easy to say" no you have to inform your wife bec. of so and so.. or no need not required! but what i got ..all of the above.

it seems that muslim ummah has started deviating from the truth.....

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Dont' play with deen. Ask a scholar Inhsa' Allaah he will advice you.

will be practising too, and they do not have any problem

infact many muslimah's do allow their hubbies to get a co-wife. I interact with many co-wives and they are contented ladies however their only purpose of Life is WORSHIP.

Now Mr. Hunk is like devil Salman rushdie, he just want to take advantage of Islamic Law.

co-Savvy yes your right im not a Muslim participin but i feel very strongly there is one wife for each man not 2 or more.But that is only my opinion please i have nothing agains Muslim religion i respect each cultures religion belives.And yes as i may feel descusted with men marrying more than on wife it is still his decision but be open about it to your first wife and children do not go and do it in secret.

Chapter 24 verse 30

Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.

People...what in the world is going on, cant expect me to read 3 pages so anyone, give me a quick briefing of whats going on in here...pls...LOL!!! this thread is quite funny...!!!

I do wonder how you can compare a one night stand to a life time of pain when he marries another woman, many will accept because they don't want to divorce. One night stands belong to a different kind of woman/men's statement. The man/woman is in now way responsible to another woman/woman and clearly states that in the one night stand.

However, not telling the first life is living a lie, is depriving his first wife and children of his whole attention, and financing, not to mention feelings of love if there are any - my idea it is all about sex.

Pray do tell me why are men allowed this privelage to interact with several women, and not women - no quotes from the Quran please because if you go with the teaching there is another meaning to all of this.

If a woman changes partners she is a "Tart" a Prostitute" or what ever is the present rating may be but a man has the right do do anything he wants either in the name of God or Allah.

So pray do tell me if men go astray and bring sicknesses to their families and oh not one but two or three (as has happened here in Doha) how does Allah rate this - oh I see the man is benficial to all especially if he has infected perhaps three of his deemed families, and they are sentenced to death because a man thinks he has rights.

See what counts, HE is there and no matter how you all convince yourselves what is right or wrong HE will decide and judgement day is not far off to be honest. What goes around comes around..

you are not practising muslim for sure, while you are married you are cheating

I am relly descusted with men marrying more than one wife,yes i know your religion do approve but if you marry your first you make a promise in front of God to stay together for ever never parting but if you marry another also there is parting in your first marrige.Its the same as having an affare behind your wife back never telling her.

Go ahead tell her about the other lady but if she is like most women she will be very hurt and think she is worthless to you.

Reading through hunk's posting, i know hunk has made up his mind to marry the other woman but i can sense his guilty conscience and is trying to gain moral support here for his wrongdoing to his wife and children.

Well hunk I believe you are still young as someone guess, so try checking with others who have more that one wives and get their opinion which I am sure you will start to think twice about getting another wife.

Having two wives is having two household to manage - it not easy you know, bear that in mind with todays high standard of living - inflation .... lol

Kat, please forgive my frankness but are you Muslim?

Game recognizes game and you're looking kinda unfamiliar right now... -- Riley Freeman

AA, I said theres conditions and posted them...

Mr Hunk..refer to this link for your questions regarding polygamy...

http://members.aol.c...

We gave him plenty advise and asked questions to which some he didnt reply..PH and Alexa answered his questions to but it seems like he had made up his mind, henc why ask questions in the first place..I think you only read what you wanted to AA..This question seems to hit a nerve with not only women but men too..

Anyway each to his own. No point wasting more time on this issue..

On this note i think i will go to bed and join my monogamous husband.....

nite all...

isn't there a yes no tickbox answer to the question?

Just give up, speaking sense seems to be futile in this forum

AA, i dont know how telling him to take this issue seriously over reacting. No one here said its not permissable but to research the issue and ensure that if hes going to do it, to be fair and just and follow the Qurans recommendations, not to pick and choose parts that he likes. I also provided him with a link about the issue to better inform himself...

Whos the one over reacting?????

lol AAAAAmennn....(in an evangelistic tone of voice)lol

SN.... Can I get an "amen"? LOL

Game recognizes game and you're looking kinda unfamiliar right now... -- Riley Freeman

There endeth the sermon.....

browsed some of the other posters' comments...

Having part Muslim in me and some knowledge of out (Philippine) Muslim culture...you are indeed allowed to marry another woman and make her your wife.

But isn't it not, you need your FIRST WIFE'S APPROVAL to do so? From what i know, the Sharia Court will still ask for your FIRST WIFE'S OPINION/SENTIMENT on this matter.

To marry another woman without your (1st) wife's knowledge is kind of DISRESPECTFUL because you didn't just got your wife in some bimbo house. You made dowry (I presume) to her parents.

My opinion....

Judge not, lest ye be judged

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth

Pass the dutchie from the left hand side

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"I told the doctor I broke my leg in two places. He told me to quit going to those places". - Henny Youngman

True Alexa..i think he was just looking for support and blessings....Your right Khalas..no point in discussing it further...

PH..how are you..Are you ready for the big move..When are you coming..

Alexa your right! It is just ridiculous how muslims can call themselves muslim these days!

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

A man cannot have more than one wife in Islam unless he can pass on islamic knowledge to his first wife and children! And he would not be able to do so if he has none himself!

Once he has islamic knowledge then we can start discussing about the obligations needed to be fulfilled with respect to havig a second wife.

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

I have noticed all through the posts where hunk is asked if it is OK for his wife to have another husband he has not repiled. Thats sure shows how insecure he is. Like someone mentioned before he fell at the first BUMP in the marriage... I think he fell for the firsr hump on the side

What if your woman wants a second husband? Would you have any problems with that? I don't care about cultural heritage and stuff, it seems to me that what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Lots of women have more love than one man can handle as well!

Unless you can explain to us why the knife shouldn't cut both ways, I think you have your answer.

Back home,

Yes you do have the right to marry up to 4,

yet you need your wifes permission in front of the judge

So I would say, open the topic with your wife,

Be a man,

Then if you are, and she agrees, go for it,

But to be a sisy, and do it from behind her...

I would say here..No

Math 4 All

QatarBear=???

b4 i rest let me just summrize my thought and intents

I did not involve the prophet (S.A.W)say any thing wrong about them I only set them as example, cause theyr the best of people to be as example, as in the Qur'an " INNAKA ALA KHULUKIN AJEEM"

and some one say why i post here some non muslim think so so..... man theres nothing to hide in islam and in a matter of religion we should be transparent! we share one country qatar and then we cannot share one forum?

some of you think this post is about lust... man think again its muslims and every humans affair we cannot just deny this every one must know this....atleast we talk here something worthy & to refresh our eeman...learn something...

the ways of the prophets should not gone should live with us....

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

so many times u mentioned to follow the prophet, do u know to whom Mohhammod married to?

The widows due to war with their children unsheltered. (most of them)

its only fair that u tell ur wife, she deserves the truth.

are u sure its not a temporary attraction and soon u will want a third wife then a fourth and after that if u get attracted to another woman what will u do??????

Mr hunk, i dont need to asnswer it, im asking you, ?

nadt what is your answer to the question?

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Thanks Spicemom and DG. I wish you both long lasting and fulfilling love with the men you are married to. I love my husband more today than the day we married ( and I still think he's pretty hot too!! :D)

tweety bird we can be faithful to all, all the wives we love what u say! unfaithfulness comes when u do such things illigally out of wed lock.

.we are here satisfying our needs and at the same time complying with law of allah...

.maybe you dont need it fine but for some one who need it? is int the solution? Islam has the answer for all humans instinc

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

You just don't get it. You are all about what YOU need - love is all about what the one YOU LOVE NEEDS. Get it?

I have needs and wants that I ignore every day - not because God wants me to but because I know it would not be what the one I love wants. It's called sacrifice and when you love someone you do it willingly.

congrats TB on yr 19 yrs and may you have many more. both have got to work at it as nothing is without its ups and downs . for us we just did our 18 yrs together ......

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

Mr hunk..does your wife and your "new urge" live in the same country? Can you afford to financially support both? Can you equally divide you time to both?

At this point you will probably say - "ah, but that is not allowed in our religion"

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

I just checked your profile and your age range is 26-35 so I am going to take a wild guess that your age is closer to the 26 than the 35 - that is truly the only way I can justify how a "man" would actually look to justify what you are proposing. In short - you need to grow up. Marriage is not just about monogamy it is about fidelity and fidelity is about expressing a loving relationship in terms of trust and RESPECT - something you need to learn about. Trust and respect goes both ways - not only should your wife trust and respect you (and at this point how could she) you need to trust and respect her which you obviously don't. You made a committment to HER, you had children with HER, you made your vows in front of God to HER - you need to shelve your lust and grow up.

Tweety, mabruk for the 19 years. I couldn't agree with you more. If you do it right, marriage just gets better and better.

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What can I say - after 19 years of marriage (to one and only one man) and two kids - I just could not let this one pass. You know - God does not promise that marriage will be easy. It is work and requires work every day but like all things that are worth working for you get out of it what you put into it. There are good times and not so good times. And the first rush of young love does fade but it is replaced by something stronger and steadier and long lasting if you just give it a chance. It just fries me to hear a "man" who goes off looking for greener pastures at the first bump in the road!!!!

Yes and yes.

Now come on, drop one or other off at the security gates here at Dukhan, I'll take a butchers and we can sort out some sort of a deal.

Plus bonus points; it's a long way from Doha so, ya know, out of sight out of mind - everyones a winner!

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

what is the difference bet ween us and the prophet? only taqwa nothing else so waht ever he did we should follow

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.now dont tell me he is our example but just leave those wives issues!

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Mr Hunk..refer to this link for your questions regarding polygamy...

http://members.aol.com/MAmalek1/ch8s6.htm

ok answer me only yes or no!

1) is it allowed in islam to marry another woman??

2) if your answer is "yes" i presume, should I ask permission from my present wife or not?

3) what is the thing in this question that most of you people....dislike?

did i tarnish the religion in any way or the other?

who among us here is well verse in religion? the tell me what ever you want!

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

D***head......

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ok

Mr Hunk..Dont even try to compare yourself to the Prophet....When you can accomplish 1% of what the prophet has accomplished then maybe you can try...

I didnt say men who practised this werent decent, you are only reading what you want into this topic.

Clearly you want someone just to agree with you and not sincere advise..

ROFL, Tweety, you are on fire!

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Yes I agree Forest Gump not only had more sense but I also believe more moral integrity.

Mr. Hunk - as you seem to be the expert - why don't you tell us what Islam says the requirements are for taking more than one wife.

Also - if your decision is justified by your belief to the point you know, without a doubt, that you are not doing anything wrong - why are you on a public forum looking for answers to justify your decision as well as to determine if you should tell your wife about your life altering decision? Afterall, if God is on your side what problem could your wife possible have?

dracula you mess me your posting is not from me delete it? you derailing and creating confusion here!

.delete that pls...

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

owsum reply

lol nadt you and an I said the same thing (in our own way )

3sure hunk

The people you are describing had great knowledge and practice of Islam! It is quite obvious you do not even have basic knowledge that you must resort to asking a bunch of non muslims about marrying a second wife in the first place.

Wake up and smell the Quran! You might learn something!

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

lol TB...Although i think Forest Gump had more sense than Mr Hunk...

nadt you presume that most muslim could not fulfil what ever the requirement it maybe? and you are trying to say in your very nice tone that those muslims who have wives are not decent? ie most of the prophets then if not all!

the shabaah...and the kings?

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.contemplate and think again bro.

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Nadt....

I think you just described Mr. Hunk perfectly - The Forest Gump of Islam picking out the chocolates that he wants and then closing the lid on the undesirable pieces.

Good analogy!!!!

nadt and PH well said, i couldnt have said it better myself......

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

Actually if you are a muslim then perhaps you should start practicing your religion before you start taking advantage of it when it suits your fancy.

I guarantee that until you have knowledge of Islam (starting with the priorities first) you have and will gain alot of sins from the mistreatment of your current wife. As well as the sins of knowing and loving another lady (which in islam is haram). And then to marry her and not give her rights you will definately be limping on the judgement day. And perhaps have the punishment of an oppressor, a hypocrite, an unjust person, the list goes on.

Brother I urge you to go and learn your religion before you even contemplate such things. Once you have knowledge and have cut off all haram relationships. Then perhaps you can talk with your wife and come to an agreement should you still decide to take a second wife. This is the most just and righteous way if your truly believe! And remember this life is very short and perhaps when you have gained knowledge you will realize that one wife is more than enough.

Thank you for being such a perfect example of what is wrong with the muslim ummah!

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

I have never met a decent practising muslim man who ever contemplated a second wife, even though its permissable. A true muslim man who has read the Quran and understands the responsiblities of having a second wife and truly fears Allah always stays away from this act because in the Quran it clearly advises against this because its a very hard to be fair and theres serious consequences for men who arent fair with both women .

The muslim men who latch on to the fact that its allowable in islam are usually the men who treat the Quran like a box of chocolates and pick and chose the bits that they like...If you study these men closely, they hardly practise anything in Islam except for the parts that suit them and thats usually only what their rights in Islam are, never their obligations.....

The only thing I hear in this thread is what the original poster wants. He is not once been concerned as to what his wife wants - the wife he claims to love.

Actually I believe he knows what his wife wants which is why he is contemplating taking the cowards way out and just not telling her.

You know Mr. Hunk - you claim you love your wife and you love this other girl but in reality you have no idea what love truly is and you have no idea what it means to be in a health, loving marriage. I feel sorry for you.

to have a second wife and more beutiful children , a loving families can damage islam ? well... the prophets(S.A.W) did not show us a good example maybe..!

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

i guess its better to tell her..

Ameen!

tell me those thing can hurt but dont tell those things tarnish the religion.... I dont agree..

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and peace is the message

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

I'll take either one off your hands for you, you can toss a coin if you like. There, problem solved.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Dracula, he started the thread. As far as I'm concerned he's wants opinions...am happy to give mine. I'm never short of an opinion or two.

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Asking again:

What would happen to an UNMARRIED Arab Muslim girl if she got pregnant.

"any good position" nor money can helps her?

it is not enough "suitable excuse to do second marriage"?

.... oh give him a break!

I have to say that's some pretty duff advice from a 'sheikh'.

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I recalled.. one day when i was siting with jamaa and one ask the shiekh for the same " shiekh should we ask permission from our wife if we will marry again? he said no what for? this is the hardest thing the woman to accept and you wanna do that?

at that that time for me it was just a typical answer a shiekh can give!

but now today! I found it really true! mashallah! what he said was correct! only he did not mentioned that we can also expect same reaction from some men!....

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

I think 3sure-hunk3r is a GREAT MAN with a GREAT SOUL!

What would happen to an UNMARRIED Arab Muslim girl if she got pregnant.

"any good position" nor money can helps her?

Does your wife know that one of your best friends is a girl? Would she be happy with this? I think not.

Please consider carefully what the efffect on your wife and children will be. This is your first priority.

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Please read again ALL the post.

It's not about me!

dracula waht is that! what u r up to?

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

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Now you're putting words in my mouth. I think it's perfectly clear what I said...anyone else puzzled as to what I meant?

And no terms of endearment in reference to me please.

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what other interpretation you have katkut...why you make islam difficult to follow why you hate simplicity? mary only if you can satisfy them both finacial,fair treatment,fair attention!? all fair!?

tell me who had attained such critria? ven the prophet not, better say not allowed than to give such guidelines that no human can fulfill! where to find this guidelines in hadith or in Qur'an!

financial perhaps you can audit but the feelings and love u cannot measure it? who can? and you cannot! then the ONE ever KNOWING who sets this Law for as Muslims is wrong!..this matter is keep within us on how we handle it..thats why we must have a better understanding of the faith

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

diamond my dear you mean the first marriege is out of love and the second the 3rd due to lust...? I dont think so!

.if it leads to marriage then out of love but if just for secret affairs, then thats the thing i can say.

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

You wish to marry for your own selfish nature. In other words satisfy your lust and keep your conscience clean. Yurrrkkk.

I feel desperately sorry for your wife and children. I hope your wife has the ability to kick your sorry a** to the kerb and move on.

Did you ever think to work on your marriage and improve your relationship with your wife? No, of course not...you've just given in all too easily to temptation.

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hey guyz we are all same blood here! red.. so what ever posting here is for us to comprehend and correct our selves!

. we are not here to impose something or change the law

we are here to express opinion and beliefs...ideas and advice..

my belief is mine and yours is yours, but perhaps we can rialized and got some thing.. believe me i learned a lot in this forum...and in some point we meet..

even though just now seems that half of the world is smashing me... but still believe iam in the right path....

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

What is your post alexa?

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

well just imagine,,if your wife wants to marry wth someone she like then wat u do man....so think again. my view is be sincere wth ur wife and wth your kids...

but still,why you want to hurt your wife and your kids?and why the heck can your gf allow this?you both are egoists in my eyes.you both planing to do something which is hurting someone other very much.she should also think about that in some years she could be in the same situation and you come to her and say honey i will go to marry a 3 one.really i cant understand you both.sorry.

The religion permits may be... Which I use to always wonder why !!!!

Dont do it if it will hurt your wife and kiddies. pls dont.

Gud luck

kat kuter which of my word is damaging to Islam you keep on saying?

you only think that i do this out of lust?....the question is so simple.. maybe its my fault that I assume that every one in this room knew that islams permits or allowed polygamy.. or should I tell you?

. and so the question goes like this.. if i want to marry again, say since its allowed, should i tell my wife or not what i mean get her consent?

the word there is MARRY not to comit one night stand go to hotel evry where.. around. is my statement difficult to understand?

for non muslim perhaps but for muslims should be clear..

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

that is overly simplistic interpretation.

Is simply not ok under those circumstances. It ok only specific conditions.

Just because people have chosen to ignore these rules over time does not make them any less wrong.

what ever your reason to get another girl ,as long as you have that intention to marry you doing a good thing,yes its hurt for us if our husband get another wife but in islam this is ok...good luck dude..

u sound as mad as me, wghat an idiot, thinking with his ...... in stead of his brains, if he got any

What the hell did this guy expect to hear?? Glowing responses telling him to go for it? Hurt your wife and children, go ahead, it's your right as a man?? Get a clue loser.

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u sound as though u going to do it any way.why ask, you want us to say go on marry ,dont tell her,dont think so. DO THE RIGHT THING

i appearantly know alot more about the faith i'm condeming than you 3sure-hunk3r.

You are misleading yourself and others. Its people like who damage islam by using a faith as an excuse for everything you like

to all u lets not say what or what not islam said coz there r too many ppl from muslims think they know but they don't and there too many ppl r not muslims though they talking like they have know but they don't....

and u mr.3sure why u r asking us???

don't have mind of ur own??? don't u have ppl to ask better than put ur lundery on the net!!!

it's no use for u to ask through the net...

so go clear u head and see what's better for u and for ur family...

big yes you can married that girl,if you think your wife will not like it so no need to tell her.its not haram... dont worry,.

hopefully both women don't like guys losing their hair and they dump you on your sorry arse.

You ask for advice and when people give it, you go off at a tangent. You talk about prophets etc...

You need to grow up and actually learn about your own religion.

You also need to respect and cherish the person who bore your children .

check my post kat kuter... you are not giving advice you are condemning your faith.. you are in..

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

is the other woman pregnant?

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this is whats wrong from an islamic perspective.

You are muslim, yet:

1. you actually thought it was ok to hide getting married to your wife.

2. That kind of thought illustrates a selfish nature.

3. You are not being fair to your current wife.

If you are 100% you can comply with the provision for marrying more than 1 wife, then god bless you. If not, then why do it?

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again alexa what is the wrong actions here?

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Some people only want to hear what they want to hear despite the truth!

READ THE QURAN!!!!!!

so if iam not a prohet katkut then why theres a prophet waht for? is isnt they are here to set good example for people to follow? to explain the revelations...or you dont know that!?...

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. What are the prophets for? tell me? why they are sent by GOD?

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

You are not a prophet nor an important person in islamic history. So you must also accept that you do not have the same internal qualities as those people.

It is very clear in islam what the rules are, the mere fact that you asked whether is ok not to tell your wife about marrying another illustrates your ignorance towards islam.

As i said, marry whom you will but do not use the provisions under islam as an excuse. Look to the quran for guidance and not people from history.

or kat kuter you luck islamic history.. Islamic history begins from Adam (A.S)

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.now if you tell me thats because they are prophets..

then tell me also are they made of steel? and we this generation are made of flesh.?

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

3sure-hunk3r ....Dont tell.

I know of a person who worked with me who had 3 wifes 1 legal & 2 illegal....he spent his whole life trying to make all of them happy. ....Yet none of them were happy.

They all thought he was with the other when all the guy was doing was at his job. Every week one of them used to come to the office and create a scene.

Today the guy has no job and last I saw him was in a hospital in a pityful state with no one to take care of him.

you are right mhdkhl muslims should have that mentality..a mentality of the early muslims who was great and firm belief... not a mentality that is influence by the book written by some one else..

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. bec if you only read islamic books no body condems anyone about marrying more than two...of course they will give you good advice... but not discourage you or no no at all...as I can feel most people above.

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

hey kat kut do you know waht are you talking about? tell me any important muslim figure in islamic history that do not have more than wife?.

.is your ideology now converted?

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name me any prophet except adam and jesus(A.S) that has single wife?

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. then say oh Iam so lustful!

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Carry on brother Marry again but remember give equal rights to all your wives not only financial,but also love, taking care,spending time etc.

It is better to marry a girl than keeping extra marital affairs and falling pray to prostitutes that will lead to HIV .........+ve, or more who knows............

your complience with gods will has no bearing on wanting to marry another woman.

The fact remains that you are seeking to justify a selfish action. If you want another women, get divorced and free your current wife.

You are not satifying the will of allah as your actions are drawn from selfishness and lust. You are showing no compassion for your wife.

Do what you will but stop using islam as your excuse!

firstly if there is even the slightest inkling or thought abt hurting the kids or the wife he would not even think of it! 2ndly he only knows that a muslim man can marry more than 1 and up to 4 but does he know the circumstances leading to it??definately not .his only thought is 'how big a heart and how much love he has to give to the women of the world so to speak'first before you even contemplate on getting a nother wife go do yr homework abt how and why does the religion allow more than 1 wife (up to 4). now am wondering if yr lower 'head' doing all the thinking and not the upper one??no doubt the male species have 2 heads but pls use the proper one to think rationally.

and no i am not biased if at all you do have all the reasons stated to marry another you will have to get yr wife's consent and if she agrees with you and agrees with you, hey its yr lucky day buddy

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

If im ur wife & u will tell me about that ill just say 3 simple words to u...

(READ MY LIPS)

GO TO HELL!!!

"Life's rule: Assume nothing...expect little...do more...need less...smile often...sleep long...dream big...laugh a lot...pray always & once in a while...cry but continue living!

My eyes mist up every time I read your posts..

The Holy Prophet has said: A word of wisdom is a lost property of a believer. He must pick it up wherever he finds it. So there is no harm in picking up a word of wisdom even from an English Proverb.

The proverb said that even a watch which has gone out of order speaks the truth at least twice every day.

Suppose that the watch stopped at 12 hrs., 5 mts,.

As the time 12-5 occurs twice during the 24 hours, the dead watch shall tell the correct time twice at 12-5 hrs, although it will remain silent at other times.

The moral we draw from this English proverb is that if one is in search of goodness with hope and sincerity one can surely find this goodness even from the most condemned and throw-away objects.

is in't the sura starts from "mary 2,3 or four....".. no I just want to justfy that my act is not in any way in bad taste its legitimate....

really i understood if non muslim can give such comments because they relate it to themselves...but for muslims...people you merely understood the real purpose of life...its not a matter of satisfying our selves its about complying with the rules of ALLAH!

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Oh come on, 3sure, you KNOW this would hurt your wife. There's not a woman in the world who wouldn't be hurt, Muslim or not.

Your reasons are lame-- God gave you a big heart, blah, blah, blah. If you came looking for support from guys who were gonna say "Oh yeah, you da man, go for it", well obviously you came to the wrong place!!

I know men who have married in secret and in all cases has resulted in tremendous pain and grief for everyone involved. The husband, the wives, the children. It never remains a secret.

Stop using your religion as an excuse to satisfy your urges. Look for some ways to improve your marriage.

if u talk to ur wife and she agrees then no problem just dont do it with out telling her,IT HURTS HER AND KIDS, NOT FUN TO SEE,

You misunderstood me or you haven't been informed properly.

From what I know, and I am no expert, there are guidelines for marryng more than one wife..

You have to treat them all "fairly". You have to treat them equally - this means that what one receives , so must the other etc etc.

Unless ofcourse you divorce te first one.

that in some remote chinese villages a woman is allowed to marry few men at the same time... I started to consider immigration to China, and settling down at one of these villages…

brit, alexa who sets the strict guide line? is this from the prophet u mean this priveldge is only for rich people?..who can measure love?....is God unfair? yet he give us this diverse characters or he wants us to live a decent life.. and made religion easy for us?

tell me...?

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

has to live all her life in fear of the day when her husband comes to tell her he is marrying another one, younger, mor beutiful ... and he is entitled to it

It feels like a knife or a dagger into her heart after she has given him all the love and has given him her heart ..

and if she is not happy with that with one word from his mouth she is divorsed and he is free to marry the other wife so to keep the family and for the sake of her children she has to shut her mouth and live with all the pain ...

I do not think God would be happy with this .. is this God's will for humans ? God has created one Adam and one Eve while he could have created one Adam and Four Eves, why didn't he do so from the time of creation if this was his will

God be with you and your wife, children and future wife for all the sufferings you are bringing to them ..

"The best way to predict the future is to create it".

so what will they think when they older?would they be happy to know her father is married with another one?i dont think so.

he said his first wife will not be happy.so dont advice him to go on.

Girls please dont take this personal :)

but Man if you can justify the reason/s and justice between the two wifes then go ahead

God bless you all

but don't do it in secret! since you love your present wife as you say, shouldn't you at least to discuss with her your issues??? what a love-lavished man !

owen...lol.. always use to...lol...

Even if Islam allows it, It does nt mean it has to be done. Just because you "feel" like it, does not make it the right option.

Islam allows up to four wives, but there are very strict guidelines. Do you understand those and can you comply with the?

Its very easy to say "I feel like doing this", but as an adult you haveto look at the conequences - on your wife, your children (if any) and the whole family.

now where is alexa?? you wont find any wrong in my post..only your imaginations and emotions that you cant control...thats a woman thing anyway .. thats why...i need a good avdice shouldnt or should I?..

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

qs its not the same here, I have not yet into and still planning, the difference is iam muslim and im allowed to do so, and iam not going into as the other stry had happen i want it legal.. marry in the nice possible way bec. cant resist this feelings...

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Can't be.. Tha would mean that he was having an affair and that is immoral and unethical.

of getting marry the second time? look here in qatar.. in saudi.. i mean anywhere it exist! why can't I?

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

wohooo... QS is learning veerrrry fast.. :D

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it just recently was a post about a wife in Phillipins and her husband that made pregnant another woman here.. i am wondering.. is that the same "love story"?

However, If you've also got a baldng head, then the folicles may be sucking up an extra few centi litres, leaving nothing for Mr. Pecker..

i think your wife knew this could happen when she married you...but had you discussed this issue before marriage things could have been different. for sure she would be hurt and your relationship might change and never get back to how it used to be. are you willing to face the consequences? if yes then tell her gradually...BUT "no easy way of breaking one's heart".

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i don't know why u women r so angry???

he is not ur husband ant ur bf so b fair with the guy...

but if you have a really big heart and a really small pecker then my original point still holds up (no pun intended).

Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about

alexa i wonder which of my question is un ethical and unreligious ground? tell me which one!?

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Let your wife marry another man, when you are busy the other women. she can also have a good time with her new husband. LOL Would you let her do that?

A bigger heart requires ore blood to be circulated, which sends less to th pecker.... So what's the use of two wives ?

and where is your first wife? in Phillipins??

so they can't give as much love as a man. If a man has a really big heart then he needs more than one wife. Its just logical like physics.

Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about

It is true that muslim men are allowed upto 4 wives, however, the conditions set forth in Quran for having multiple wives is near impossible to meet. Especially in this day and age.

Therefore, unless this gentleman wants to commit a sin, he must not only gain the consent of his wife but he must also ensure that he treats them both perfectly equal in all things. This a requirement under islam, all wives must be treated equally with no favortism, otherwise its sin. I don't know about you, this sounds impossible to me. So unless you have super human control on your emotions, i'd avoid marrying more. I'd also advise you to tell your wife, its the minimal decent thing to do.

Please, stop making all encompassing statements that misleads people regarding islam or any other religion.

Aren't you the guy looking for Baldness cure a few days ago? Is this bacause you are trying to woo the new lady?

Anyway, I think its only fair to say yep, go ahead, so long as your wife is allowed take another husband.....

Seems fair to me and a bit of give and take. Good luck to living as a foursome

on which comment?

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I know several muslims who married 2. none of their first wife is happy. though they appeared happy, they did say it's not their choices, their husbands married to the second secretly and bring it to the first one.

You are a muslim, u know the reason why Mohhamod (SAW) married 4 (even though I don't agree). You also know that your wife would be hurt. You know what, I perfer u had a fair and let it go. there are plenty men with "big heart", it's not the problem for man, it's the problem for wife!

Further more, woman has the same "heart" as u, how abt ur wife tell u first that she loves another...think the pain u have then say "Love".

Being a muslim she may be prepred for that, if she gives you permission, then marry the other one and double your trouble. Its better than one night stand anywayz..lol

owen you must be joking!!

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

tigs maybe and absolutely ur right!

Im married in the phil. and phil. law recognised the muslims personal/family issues..

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

at last QS....... :) go check again his profile..maybe that is one reason why he is getting bald fast coz of too much pressure how to tell his wife "this"..

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Remember you are an optimist with a lot of love to give. Just keep spreading that love. Take a couple more wives. I mean gee, you are allowed four. What's wrong with just taking one more?

Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about

if he is amuslim he wouldn't ask th Q... coz he knows the A...

but he wont's to some one to tell him it's ok to marry the other lady in secret and behind the wife's known...

but he couldn't find anyone to tell him it's ok...

now he wanna try yahoo...

i think he knows also that his wife is gonna leave him if he tell her...

what do u thing 3sure-hunk3r am i write or not??

he is phillipino...sorry owen...

i also wondering if his second proposed wife knows that he is marries yet...it also might be a surprise for her...

its better u talk to her...c may be the things would get right for both of u

or least take her permission before doing that to avoid further complications

if not you are only a big cheater!!!!

Agree with Alexa, there's pretty strict criteria to marrying more than one woman in Islam, and pig vomit here, doesn't even meet one, especially if he's considering doing it and not telling her.

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You mentiond the "P" word.. Can't do that..

go go make your preparations...don't waste your time here.. the Big Day is coming!

i think u men use being a muslim to do what u like,like marry 2, 3 4 wives.JUST TELL HER, DONT BE SCUM, BE A MAN.WE ARE WOMAN THATS WHY WE ANGRY AT U,MR 3SUR HUNK3R. WATEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

helloooooo QS...let's ask this guy first.. i have been on my first post on this thread..

did they get wed in the Philippines or here.. if here or any gulf country, then khalas, legally got no issues with it.. he has to deal now how to tell this to his wife..

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First, you have to find out what will be her opinion with muslims marrying two wives? What are her apprehensions and inhibitions? Once you have the answer, that would be your call now whether to marry again another lady or not.

The bottom line, which is more important to you, the feelings of your first family or your own satisfaction?

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and that's what we mean... he IS a muslim in Qatar, the muslim country.. what does it have to do with phillipins???..lol..

I think you chicks are just jealous he didn't pick you so just back off.

Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about

To each his own as long as you don't hurt anyone else, what he's saying will hurt his wife and his children greatly.

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I think you being castrated is preferable.

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of hypocracy here.. In other posts, most of you, especially Gypsy have basically advocate the notion "to each his own", so what's dfferent here ?

Is it because a woman is involved ?

Firstly, let me say that I think he's a toad for even contemplating such an action..

Having said that - He say he's a Muslim and Islam allows for up to four wive at any given time.

Now even thow he's a moron, he can , n religious grounds get married.

However, perhaps the law in the country ofwhich he is a citizen may oer ride the Islamc law..

I even think that this is the best way... than to have relationship out of wed lock! what you prefer then?

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. maybe i can get good favorable answers from Yahoo!!

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

I suspected you had a big heart and just wanted to spread the love. Go for it, I say.

Why are you asking these bozos anyway? You are a man dammit. You don't need their permission, you don't need anyone's permission. Just do it dude and enjoy yourself. Keep spreading that love.

Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about

What a load of bull patootie! A man hearts beat more blah blah blah. I hope your wife falls in love with someone else and leaves you crying you cockroach.

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Helloooooo.. alexa and QS... :)

even he is not in the Philippines.. still if he got married there, then the couple are stipulated under the Philippine marriage law.. hmmmm, now with him being muslim..that i dont know how will it be..

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yes, if he is a muslim he is allowed to marry 4..

in a life time you mean?

why you women so enrage when it comes to situation like this..? man heart beats more than 72 times and why not to fall in love to into another woman?

.my will is to satisfy the feelings while fulfilling the legallity with out compromising my faith. I can love them all i have a big heart....

the only problem is how can tell my wife without hurting her...but for sure she will

"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

Hellooooooo, we are not in Philippins!

even annulment is allowed still, you have to prove to the court beyond reasonable doubt the basis for your request such as your partner is mentally and physically incapacitated, there was coercion (or shot gun marriage)occured, physical abuse and the like.

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roach...i was enjoying my 'syrian style' salad... I almost threw out...

yes! that's who he is...

I'd say cockroach poo!

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I say we should give the cat a break. I mean he might be in peak physical condition and he may just have too much love for one woman to handle in which case is only fair that he should have another woman.

Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about

I wish you wouldn't beat about the bush. Please just say what you really mean.

let's deside whether he is a Pig or he is a Dog.. please vote!

oh so you are muslim then..

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Pig Pig Piggy! I hope they BOTH leave you!

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Maybe he is a great guy with the capacity to make lots of women happy. I think he just wants to spread the love. What could possibly be wrong with that?

Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about

or to make both of them unhappy...

we are allowed to marry up to four but iam thinking of up to 2 only...I love this other girl i knew her for long time, and i love my wife and kids too..

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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."

the author is from Philippines (as per profile)..sadly, there's no divorce there... only annulment, if your question above implies that you want to marry again another lady, then you have to establish the "why" to nullify your marriage first..

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Forgiveness is life...:)

girls will love anothers except who loves her

marraige is hel in my point of view . dont enter in that ........... plz . as ur wish yaar

are u legally separated? if not... it will be good to circumcised u again and have a vasectomy...or a total cut.

this causes big problems,be a man tell her,look after her the way a good man should,BETTER STILL,JUST HAVE ONE WIFE, THE GRASS IN NOTTTT GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE,AS MOST MEN THINK GGGGGRRRRRR

do u want to divorce or do you want to marry in secret?

marry again...your wife or another lady? please clarify, don't want to jump into conclusion here..

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Your wife is an idiot for marrying such a dog like you. And your next wife is stupid if she sees how badly you want to treat your first wife and doesn't realise that soon enough you will treat her just as bad.

I hope your current wife leaves you miserable and lonely, and your next wife turns out to be as stupid as she sounds.

you not lucky enough with one,then neither you will be with 2.2 women means double your troubles and problems.

or should i say poor you???

anyway all the best to you.

Dont do it brother..

Life is a PARADOX!, What you want, you don't get!, What u get, you dont enjoy..., What you enjoy is not permanent, What is permanent is boring..., Thats life,

You will get bored of the second and third wife too one day...

Find ways to spice up.. cheers

you need to take her permission

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Pig. I hope she leaves you.

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very bad thinking...if u r a husband b loyal to ur wife...if u have kids,it is the most and worst way of thinking.