Mohandis? are they?

i was informed that the term mohandis is an engineer.

in my opinion, the term engineer should be affixed to person who have the proper education of any engineering course. some coutnries have licensure examinations to be able to call a graduate of any engineering course as an engineer.

here in qatar, design manuals are spoon feeding individuals. its so easy to learn if only you will do a lot of reading. and he who reads a lot and understands what he is reading can be able to apply those design principles in projects being handled. now the point is, he who should they be called as engineers? if so, then i can conclude that educational attainment bears nothing in terms of qualifications.

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and u are saying a foreman is better then engineer :(

In my country, u should spend 5 years in college and 4 to 5 months review before taking the licensure exam for Engineers... and if u passed that exam u are now called Registered/Licensed Engineer =)

and worse? they get hired. !!

a foreman will know how much?

i saw 30 years experienced foreman.. stucked on site on several occasions, and then civil engineer helped them out.

And How Many engineers, doctors, modirs, etcetera, in doha have papers to prove but did not really go to school nor took licensure exams?

I knew a lot of people who go for a 1-week vacation and come back with masters degree.

i happen to accept a lot of application and people blatantly lie of theirs masters degree that they dont even seem to realize the time frame on their CVs states that, while they are going to college in their country, they are already working as directors in the UK and attending MAsteral/Docotorate in the US,(not open/ or online courses)..

I used to work with Mohandis Mohan. He couldn't engineer his way out of a paper bag.

of his project!

I am a CE! Are you talking in general? You are tackless!

Civil engineers are giving bad name to all engineers. A foreman with know how of drawing, don't give a rat a SS to civil engineers on site. :(

but when it comes to original duty of engineer, then these so called foreman fail...

and a foreman knw what? when it comes to proper engineering. he have no idea what he is doing..

when u ask why u did it? he will say.. haza qanoon ... khallas..

Skill???

And why won't they be loyal?

Who else will recruit them and pay them for sitting idle?

loyality and skill counts! :)

really?

and how many in QP and others Govt sector organisations are actually engineers on engineering posts?

labels dont count, the skill counts!

exactly :)

Mohandis = A person who can use a screw driver

Doctor = A person who can scribble / who know when to prescribe panadol/ muscadol

Mohasib = A person who can use a calculator

but they use sir as raees also

a motor winder in our company is called himself electrical engineer, i need not to mention his nationality over here, else this will turn into another nationality bashing thread. ;)

what are titles if one does not know anything;

a foreman sometimes know more than his engineer

Edison is not an engineer yet greater than any engineer here in qatar

I understand what you're saying..

Even Technicians and meter readers are classing themselves as Engineers ;o)

It is a custom to address people like,

Sir(English) = Mohandis(Arabic)

Lord(English) = Bashmuhandis(Arabic)

yup..

engineering is a vast field also.. but i am telling you about the title..

like how they are using it here is not a good thing, every other guys is bashmuhandis, Mudeer, doctoor,

like how much respectable this title is.. they are not using it in that way,

i don't know how to express what i want to say.. think i should start english language classes also :/

Mohandis is anyone working in construction/manufacturing industry from whom you need a favour.

those who passed the licensure board exam are the one considered Engineer and deserved the title. Those who graduated from engineering are called engineer but just by the course they have taken. They could not signed official documents because they have no license to sign. It just like saying, "you can practice, but you can't sign". Like in driving, all who knows how to drive can drive, but if you don't have the license, then you are not authorized!

Perhaps you are right, but to me an Engineer is a broad term encompassing many disciplines..

may be the rule is different from country to country.

like in our case in pakistan, Engineer is the one who is holding a degree in engineering, he is authorized and approved by engineering council, while the diploma holder is called sub engineer.

it also affect one's pay scale and position. like sub engineer can not promote to 16 scale,

may be the rule is different from country to country.

like in our case in pakistan, Engineer is the one who is holding a degree in engineering, he is authorized and approved by engineering council, while the diploma holder is called sub engineer.

it also affect one's pay scale and positon. like sub engineer can not promote to 16 scale,

Actually, you don't neccessarily need a degree to be a Mohandis. A Diploma with relevant industrial experience can suffice.

Anyway, a story...

I worked for a company where they decided to change the salary scales accross the board and make them dependent on educational qualifications attained.

We all had to submit our degrees/certificates etc.

It turned out that three guys, who we always addressed as "Doctor" because of their alleged qualifications were infact not so. they had enrolled on the courses, but never attempted to complete them.

a pharmacist is actually a doctor in pharmacy. doctor is not only title for "doctors" ... its a title used for people holding high degrees in sciences. and regarding the "mohandis" thing, i so agree. i even see people with bachelor certificate from universities but they know nothing. so even if they provide the certificate, they can still be dumbs.

its mean all masons/carpenters are muhandiseen then, since they are building structures :(

Bashmuhandis is every mudeer here.. if he is arab and is a manager of a company, then he is Muhandis.. :(

no matter he is only 12 grades pass...

Even a Parmacisit got a Dr. title in Egypt.

he American Engineers' Council for Professional Development (ECPD, the predecessor of ABET)[1] has defined "engineering" as:

[T]he creative application of scientific principles to design or develop structures, machines, apparatus, or manufacturing processes, or works utilizing them singly or in combination; or to construct or operate the same with full cognizance of their design; or to forecast their behavior under specific operating conditions; all as respects an intended function, economics of operation and safety to life and property.[2][3][4]

Nothing mentioned here about a requirment of a University/collage degree...

Can only do on tuti lol

and what to you practice your Mohandisism on?

this problem is only with Egyptians.

We actually, Egyptians, tend to give titles to whom we talk to. I'ld say this is out of extra courtesy, sometimes for licking a@$. But it went as a rule to the extent that the mechanic is called "PashMohandis" never to mention Pasha, Ostaz and manu other titles used for diferent occupations.

But do you see any harm in that?

There are 2 Excavation Mohandhis in the Abu Hamour Cemetry!

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They are digging graves...:)

I am a mohandis in my house and have my wife's permission to say so....... lol

Even the man who came to fix my Washing Machine was an Engineer..:)

to country. Just ignore it, you'll just get frustrated! Just mind your own career and you'll be happy!