HR Department in RasGas / QP

here is a definition of napitism according to wikipedia - it happens in all HR Dept around the world.

Nepotism is favoritism granted to relatives regardless of merit.[1] The word nepotism is from the Latin word nepos, nepotis (m. "nephew"), from which modern Romanian nepot and Italian nipote, "nephew" or "grandchild" are also descended. To bad but hiring is not always fair !

Tariq D

http://www.targetdhr.com/

Dear mkhan79,

I applied one of the Post in last year. In last one and half months, they called me for interview. They made me oral test, written test and computer test. Although I passed all of the test, they rufused me due to I am single who is not under family visa. This is so bad. To be honest with you, I don't know about it before.

What is the differences of single who is living under 3rd party sponsorship and under family visa. I think it is not main thing to show good performance in job. They did not tell me officially because they called me interview without checking of I am single or not.

They can say "sorry" but as for me, I feel terrible and it affects to me so sadly. Now - they stopped process for me.

If it is the rules, I think single lady who is under 3rd party sponsorship, should not stay in Qatar. Because they can not get good job and higher salary look like QP and other government departments.

If you are Indian, you will get QP Job and it is most probably sure. Nowadays, most of Indians are occupying QP and Inside Persons also give attentions to their race.

gulf is only for luck and it is not considering the qualification

If they see qualification most of them suppose to be in home

having various technical depts; Appreciate, you guys are well organised!

I take offence at your comment that "as many HR departments are not competent enough to scrutinise and identify the right candidature for the required postion...." even thoughyou temper it with "many HR departments".

Certainly within QP, HR do not make the final decision and undertake only the preliminary interview. Technical interviews are undertaken by the recruiting department supervisors and managers.

Many thanks and God bless you.......FS

If you wouldn't have given the above info; how would you receive these blessings?

:)

Regards

BitWits

Dude.. I had the same taste of Medicine with an Airline company here.. and boy it went Miserable.. The Recruitment Manager asked me crap and Rejected me on Bais.. I felt shattered Inspite of me Clearing all the Rounds.. I had one round with the final Interviewer so called the rec manager and it turned out a Mess.. I guess good Quality people will emerge out.. But am holing on..

Regards

BitWits

check the website...for current vaccancies..

www.qp.com.qa

www.rasgas.com.qa

am I Spoon feeding?

as many HR departments are not competent enough to scrutinise and identify the right candidature for the required postion....

Can somebody post how many positions are vacant currently in RG or QG...with their HR contact email ID's?

You'll need to contact the Recruitment Manager, not the HR Manager, and even if you did manage to get in touch, you'll be told just to submit your CV online. Just like everyone else.

I was surprised to read Zoraya's name as Manager :) If the system remains the same, you just need to post your cv via website which would automatically send your resume to all the HR team & they would call you for the test :)

Good luck.

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Mus'ab,

1- You won't need any Arabic.

2- You don't need to contact the HR manager.

3- The Manager is a guy.

Just send them your CV.

Please read the classifieds rules. QL is NOT a recruitment site. We recommend that you use known recruitment sites or contact the company website directly. The jobs classified facility is to enable those already in Qatar to make their availability known. Adverts from those outside Qatar are removed.

Regards

In order to avoid favourism...there is a policy (maybe unofficial) in QP that not more than 10% of the total staff in one dept should be of the same nationality..I don’t know if they are really implementing that.

I would give one point more for RG because of the lesser number of employees and they try to be in par with their International shareholders...so the work environment is slightly better than QP.

Hmmmmmn :)

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Just to share with all QLer's Some Gyaan about common nationality and related favoritism....

I like the biography of CE and her great experience with Q companies and certain biased executives.

I have observed so far, it is not factually a favoritism BUT the comfort level, Loyalty factors that works behind the norm of appointing compatriots.

I have also observed the similar culture everywhere in the world....whenever an Indian CEO at top, he prefers all his people around; when a Pakistani take over the board, he prefers the similar way, a Lebanese, an other Arab....its a general practise all around.

In short not only merit that works but along with the merits, loyalty and comfort level plays a major role.

As we have seen that there are always exceptions to the rules, I have been brought to Qatar from UAE by 2 pakistani colleagues (same company) and worked under a Qatari supervisor for over 5 years and no regrets at all.

What a boss I had, everbody was jealous of me for having such a fantastic supervisor.

I will wait for my turn.......in QP/RG; anyways can somebody tell me which is better in term of working culture and environment?

Vacancies are posted on their website...but unfortunately many of them are already filled they don’t update it regularly.

Shall I get information about the vacant/required postions available also... or I have to just shoot in the dark..

Post it on the website, if they like it, they'll call you.

how I missed this....

After reading the whole thread, I feel very much knowledgable about RG and QP....Whom shall I send my CV to? or post it on website :(

myid, no idea about QP, just general observations from my job at another oil&gas company.

p.s. you shouldn't post your email like this.

as i read all your comments i think that you can answer my concern regarding my application at QP. please send me email even blank to [email protected]. thanks, i am working night shift and its also my time for any reply

Just want to know where did the HR get the CV's of the candidate, i mean to say if it's only from company's website (QP online application) or from other source?

Purely, The racism does exist in RASGAS HR. Above all, if someone with Pakistani Passport.

ALI NAZ

Thanx

Okay waiting :)

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consciouseffort, your answer was wonderful and commendable. One of my ex-colleague, of all his stupid talks said one remarkable point which I remind myself everyday. He said, please let me know a place in this world where there is no discrimination either b'se of colour, creed, caste or religion. I said India, since I am from India. He said yes Indians do not differentiate on colour b'se all are brown or black but there is ample discrimination due to caste (caste is a sect of a religion for your understanding), language and what not. Then I said, USA, he said there is ample discrimination between black and white,which I concurred. If these two largest democracies has so apparent discrimination, then I don't think, I need to talk abt others. Bill gates once said to a group of students, do not except fairness outside this hall b'se world was not built on equality. But is discrimination correct or wrong?. Humans are social animal and they have animal instinct which is associating themselves to another person or group thru a common thread,hence a tendency to favor a person of same thread is not unusual. The best way to beat the tendency is to have a open mind and have enough ammunition to fight when given a chance. Ammunition,I mean, is qualification, experience, recommendation from colleague/supervisor and a determination to win. Knowledge is acquired not only thru education but thru exp too. As others mentioned above, MBA is a master in administration, which in other words meant manage. It talks about common sense like analysis, people management and management concepts which are technically usual only after climbing the corporate ladder,not before it. It doesn't specialise anybody on anything,even if you had taken specialisation on any of the streams. Rather than complaining, it would be advisable to equip ourselves with the required qualification they want(London or US) and then fight for a chance (not a fair playing field) or else you will keep complaining till you die.

Open Minded Person

I will send you his name by PM tomorrow to see if i am right or wrong ....

mkhan 79, I totally understand that you were not talking about your MBA. I was not talking about your MBA either. I am not having a negative approach. And I agree to a large extent with your post that many people in big companies are not good for the jobs they do. I do not know specifically about RG but certainly RG is not an exception. No doubt Wasta is the most effective way to get into premier organizations.

On a separate note... when it comes to qualification there are many so called MBAs who are self-proclaimed 'specialists' of Finance or HR or accounting with no background and exposure in those areas. An MBA from a good school is worth mentioning otherwise it is nothing but a receipt of your educational expenses. Many swaggering 'MBAs' do not fit into any other job except clerical ones.

MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) MBA versus MIT (Mughalpura Institute of Technology, Gujranwala)MBA. both hold the same award.. MBA!

khanaq: why do you say that? any proof?

I've never seen it where I work, but other places may be different.

Speed ... is this for me what you wrote :P

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Khanaq ... during my time one hindu was doing exactly the same thing, recruiting only indian hindus & not even indian muslims, but when my Qatari Manager came to know about it from different means, he made it mandatory that resumes would only be accepted if they are applied through website as it drops a reference number. And that Manager still works there.

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Sounds like ure out for creating a revolution on ure own.

To an extent, what you mentioned cud be understood as compliance with human rights. But the ground reality of those demands which you put can be very harmful in an environment like Qatar. A majority of the working poppulation is out for the base cause of earning more. That being the factor that lead to expatriates flocking here in hundreds every month. If you give a qualified expatriate the chance he/she requires in joining a firm and then "allowing" them to jump as soon as they get a better oppurtunity would leave the organization at a loss. Binding the employee like a "slave" will on the other hand be demotivating and hence lead to decrease in productivity. So, whose side are u willing to take? Froma managerial point of view, u'd always stick to well being of the company. From a HUMANE point of view u'd stick to the aspirations of an employee. Does this address your the NOC, free movement issues?

Most HR departments tend to recruit as per the system they think works in the best interest of the company. IF tht means closing their eyes to normal procedures and open them to "word of mouth" hiring. If it promotes the overall harmony of the company and on their reports helps in production, then why not. The only way ure gona change tht situation is to prove them wrong using numbers, which might at this point will be hard for u to get.

Passport pay systems has always been exsistent. Once again, it comes back to employer vs. employee point of view. If you want the right talent taking over, you have to pay the cost(regardless of nationality and for tht matter, passports). If its JUST a position tht they want to fill, there are millions out there who will infact take the job for a lesser salary than the one being offered at any time.

And finally about the RAS GAS HR, ive only had the chance to meet two people from the department and BOTH of them were extremely professional and highly motivated people. Who were proud of their department no matter what the situation. Trust me, it take a really strong link among people in a department to make them happy. Not qualification and extra degree can help you there. Only sheer goodness of heart and a hell lotta experience.

Cheer up mate and keep applying, you might get thru some day and then you might not be able to take these words back eh ??

askme, nothing will change, live with it.

You are hijacking this thread, nobody talked about NOC, pay by nationality, ... yet you seem to try to jam it in every job-related thread.

All bullshit arguement here...

If you dare implement these then I can say there is quality and justice. Don't just make baseless arguement. In a free world think free. Don't teach me dark age rule. I have seem and been many places.

-Lets remove NOC option

-Lets allow free movement of employee

-Lets have open interview and test

-Lets see everyone with one eye

-Pay according to job not according to passport

-Make a proper(fair) progress report

(ofcourse that does not mean abolish the Qatari quota system)

Can you? You have no point to argue and you have no option just folow dark old age rule.

Hi Friends...

I found here some of educated and experienced Human Resource Executives....

If youre are in Reputed companies or Q. Companies..

Can you please provide right person(HR) email Id please..

Let me try my luck and I will u know all..Am Inn or Waiting....or Waiting again Waiting or Out......

Hahahaha I know it was too long, I realized after ending :P. Yep I am working again :P & as you mentioned u r also one of those RG employees then definitely u must have got whom I was talking about :)

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Consious that was a long read...enjoyed your biography..

Btw are you working now?

Hmmmn .... although it is not very important but I would like to talk about my interviews & work experience in RG, just for ppl who have negative image about RG. When I was working in a School as PRO, I applied for RG job too. They called me, took my test & I passed. I was offered a job of almost triple the amount I was getting in the school for 3 months temporary basis. I could not see the benefit of working for a big company on temporary basis & leaving my permanent job behind. I refused politely & requested if there is a permanent job I would most happily work there. Btw this position was based in Ras Laffan. For me at that time, temporary or permanent wasnt such a big issue but I personally dislike going on buses & that too for such a far away places. So, my major concern was that I was looking for a place which was not too far for me. This happened in 1999. After 3/4 months I received another call from HR in RG, this time the job again was temporary but it was for 6 months, pay was 1000 extra than the previous one but again in was in RG. Fortunately same day I gave my interview in one of the international banks in Qatar & they offered me a position too. Again the pay packet of the bank & RG had a huge difference, RG was again twice more than that bank package but again because it was temporary for 6 months & that too in Ras Laffan, I refused again politely & requested for permanent job. This happened in the year 2001. After that I continued in that bank for 5 & half years & grew as a person & professionally. But after 8 months in that bank's job, at that time, weekend in Qatar used to be Thursday & Friday & QP & RG used to follow Friday & Saturday. So one fine Saturday, there came a person looking for me & introduced himself to me & said that the two jobs you refused we offered one to Palestinian lady & anothe one to Jordanian lady & after this 3 & 6 months temporary job they were hired permanently & their pay packets were raised too. Although I never regretted not working for RG because money was never the criteria for the selection of job for me but that gentleman tried to make me feel as if I lost something very precious. We parted on happy note & I forgot about this RG. After 5 & half years of work in the bank, there were some problems I started facing so I decided not to continue with the job anymore & those days RG gave out advertisements for job in GT. I too applied & guess what after a week's time got a job call in HR again with a huge pay packet if compared to the bank's pay, but again in Ras Laffan. I spoke to my Manager about this & they created a complete new position for me in order to retain me, this happened in March 2006. Everything went smooth & once again I refused politely saying I looking for a job not as far away as Ras Laffan something within Doha or outside but not too far away. This time I knew they would have black listed me :) because who would take a person as employee who continully refuses RG. Somewhere in October 2006, I started having similar problems again, I would not go into details but for a person like me who takes care of her self-respect, I didnt leave any room for talks & resigned from the bank in November 2006. After that I was relaxing after such a long term of work & hectic routines, joined gym, looked after myself yani i did all those things which I missed during my job tenure because of long schedules. You wont believe in February 2007, I received a call from RG Khartiyat for HR job. Because I was not doing anything at that time plus the place was on 25 mins drive from my home, I went there, gave out the test, Passed it, Had a department interview after a week or two, passed it & in the end had final interview with HR & joined them in April 06 :) I had an unfortunate incident over there during the interview that I was called for a Supervisor's role during the department interview & I was happy but in HR interview they told me because of Qatarization they have taken Qatari fresh graduate for that. I didnt like the idea because I was 9 years experienced & all of a sudden this unprofessional thing happened to me, I expressed my unhappiness over this incident but because the Qatari Manager who was talking to me was so polite & humble, I told him I'll join this uncalled job only because of your good treatment towards a new hire. It was on contract basis for 3 months, & because I was free at that time & the contract was only for 3 months I happily joined. I worked there, proved my mettle, all were happy but some racist things started happening from Canadian supervisor (female), & british supervisor (male) & I was shocked why they are actually trying to compete with me. I was working only as Assistant they were supervisors they should have behaved properly, at the same time the Indian / Hindu supervisor & his Filipino assistant also started behaving very awkward. At first, I just ignored all these because I knew their bio-datas some were recently promoted to supervisors, some assistants who were competing with me were working on the same grade from the last 5/6 years so I didnt pay them a heed. But later on, when the water went up my head I had to show them that who I am, what I was & their attempts to create problems for me could actually put them in problems hehehehehehe :) I enjoyed the looks on their faces :) Later on they were the one who started putting false accusations on me & went to my Qatari Manager. He called me, I told him the whole situation word by word & he was surprised why I didnt come to him if all this was happening, all I said that didnt want to waste his or my time on silly things as both were extremely busy in our projects. Those racists ppl silly things kept on happening, company renewed my contract for another 3 months, time passed by & for the third time when they tried to renew on the same position, I refused to sign & wanted to leave. Prime reason was same racism / bully stuff but that gentleman was really nice to me. He didnt let me go off like that & offered me a job of HR Advisor which is better than HR Assistant & with better pay too but unfortunately that was based in Ras Laffan & I prefer not to sit alongwith crowd in buses but drive myself but because of such a far away distance I thanked him & preferred to stay at home rather than working with such racists & / or working in such a far away place. One thing I would like to mention over here that the Qataris were the only ones who were very polite & respectful to me, The manager, supervisors & the assistants & secretaries all the Qatari staff was very very kind to me & always made me feel strong among these unprofessional bullies.

I wanted to say something :) but wrote on my whole biography hahahaa chee chee. But for the author of this topic I just want to tell you that I too am MBA in Banking & Finance & I was offered jobs in RG at various times, they didnt offer me a job for my MBA but because 'I was qualified / experienced / educated enough for the vacant positions they had to offer' :) If I wasnt I too wouldnt have been called ever. As bleu says, there are so many factors, budget, position, pay etc etc. But right attitude is one trait every employer looks into any possible employee :)

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you're welcome, i just felt from your OP that you were very sour after applying for a job.

an MBA is an MBA true it is general management but it has specialisations major and minor....and forget it I am not discussing abt my qualifications here...if u read carefully I have mentioned that I am already happy settled ...

bleu ...same goes for U , I never said I was looking for a job there ...and yes I did try earlier ...but never got a call and I am not bothered anymore ....maybe dis-heartened...and say again that I am not over confident but I am sure like'' lost ark ''agrees he has seen many ...and when I see one of them I feel atleast I am not that bad ....

anyways I shud thank all for sharing their views and giving their advise..

I was just wondering what is an MBA HR.. I always thought that MBA is a general management qualification. It does not make you HR, Finance or Marketing specialist.. It is not meant to be.. the other question would be.. MBA from where...

I seriously doubt if most of the MBAs are masters of business administration. Married But Available is more appropriate to the most..of course to the married ones!

Great comment I agreed with you. I have seen lot in QP Specially.

mkhan, so you're mad because you submitted a CV without a reply???? I suggest that you change your attitude, even if you got a job there, you won't stand it for more than a month.

How do you know you're qualified? Maybe they want experienced people and you went to study for an MBA instead of working. Maybe you're over-qualified? Maybe your CV is too long. Maybe you applied for the wrong position. Maybe they don't have a vacant position. Maybe the position was canceled in the 2009 budget. Maybe .. Maybe .. Maybe ...

And the first thing you do is post this rant saying how unqualified and uneducated the HR staff in these companies is???

not all MBA's r same....and i understand the difference between the discussion ''topic''and the bosses decision making.

Conscious effort thanks for the explanation , actually I am not negative ....but everyone wants to try and get into these companies, various reasons(the top reason is the excellent benefits they giv to their employees)...I understand that not all can get into these companies....but the qualified ones should atleast be called....if they fail the test or interview it is fine.....but they have not even be called for the test.

I do not consider myself superior and am not the jealous type but yes I have a competitive spirit...

XXC thanks ....u understood actually what i was trying to say...

xxc, try an international O&G companies, they would fire these unskilled without blinking, I don't think they would have even hired them.

i have good contacts with lot of people workin in such organizations in managerial position. 1st of all, all those organizations are not recruiting people this year unles soemthing very needed urgently like process engineer or piping engineer....something that is necessary to keep making money :) but i can tell u that u have 5% chance to join such organizations without having a "strong" contact from the inside who is pushing u. this is the reality, unfortunely. a lot of unskilled people are already working there for high salaries!

cheers up!

Mediorce But Arrogant certainly. They all learn the same generic stuff and do not have an original thought in their head just what they were taught and they go on about how qualified they are!!!

A lot of MBAs from Harvard went into the banking system in the States and elsewhere and look what they did to that.......

If you don't get a job don't blame the HR department, with your attitude I wouldn't hire you anyway!!! If I was your boss and I made a decision you didn't like I'd know the next day you would be all over QL comlaining about it....

Hmmn ... u r too negative my dear. If u didnt get a response that doesnt mean that you are an unqualified person or the person sitting on the judging seat is unqualified. They most probably got a person who was much appropriately experienced in the job. Its not very polite to say the person u know was junior to u & now working in a better place with better pay & based on his junior level to you, you consider yourself superior & think if s/he can get this they why cant I. If this why cant I is out of jealousy then you would never reach half of the place he has reached but if this is a positive competition then that's a different case & definitely you would win one day. QP & RG have similar work standards, I used to work in RG & this is how the selection of candidate goes.

1. Department raises requirement for personnel towards HR

2. HR, as per request, at first checks the suitable candidate from the resumes already on their files, if they do not find them they publish an advertisement either in local newspaper / international newspaper + they update their webpage for the job too.

3. Regarding nationality wise payment, ofcourse, all the supervisors have a pay scale sheet with them where they mention the grades, salaries & years of experience for any position & when they interview the candidate they offer them the payment according to the paysheet they have & not as per their own choice or liking.

4. Suitable candidate is asked to come for a test, then his / her scores make them eligible to be called for a further related department interview, if the department is satisfied from his / her qualifications they attach their remarks to their cvs & forward to HR. Btw their interviews are arranged by the HR in the first place. At last, HR calls for the 2nd & last interview to discuss about pay package.

At my time there were 42 nationalities working with them & they do not hire ppl based on nationality its basically requirement & they try to bring in as much nationalities as possible to create multi-culture atmosphere.

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this whole "generalized thinking" really is starting to get annoying... :/

It is not so much the HR managers but the guidelines and restrictions put on them regarding who, or when to hire.

I have heard that many companies have a quota of local people they need to employ and so this is when alot of expats or qualified people are not called or included in the process for job applications. It has been told that it can take months for many companies to contact potential employees and to get their contracts signed.

I understand the frustration of people not speaking english or understanding their roles/ requirements, however this does not just happen in HR but all jobs over here!!

askme, what do you want???????????????? please go somewhere where you feel better.

Whole hiring system in Qatar is crap.. just another shit I can say. Imagine in a place where people are paid according to their passport for same job, what you can expect from such place?? Place were donkey and camel can become engineers and doctors (Do immigration check your degree before stamping doctor or engineer visa?? as far as I know -big NO NO)

There are many such examples. It is better to handle yourself and find better place than to correct people who don't want to change.

Don't tell me to follow Dark Age rule if you are not willing to see light.

i too was thinking the same way as the author of this topic until 3 yrs bac. i applied online and to my surprise, got a call from qp exactly after 20 days (remember there wasn't any vaasta at all). attended the initial meeting / interview, then various tests, medical test, till obtaininng pcc for employment. but then, my present employer didn't leave me... so mr. khan, pl start changing your views.

I'll add that HR has no choice in selecting the employees. They only manage posting the Ads, getting the applications and CVs, and filtering out those that are completely unrelated (like someone with no experience when the job asks for 5 years). They usually send CVs in batches, if we get 200 for a position, they would send out 50 at a time, in a FIFO queue.

mkhan, here, HR sends me CVs of 100s of people from at least 10-20 nationalities.

Our HR has Indians, Qataris, and Westerners. I even get some Pakistani CVs, the Indians didn't shred them as some would expect.

From every 100 CVs we get, we filter them to 20 possible candidates that we call for a phone interview, only one may get to the actual in-person interview.

Most of the canadidates who are already here are not that good (mostly very unqualified and with education and experience unrelated to the position). Our company puts out ads all over the world, and we call them for an interview (could last for an hour!), and we could also bring them here for a personal interview. We want the best people, for the best price, and we don't care where they are right now, or if they have a visa.

yes I am aware that HR only short-lits and forwards the CV's to the department managers.

It reminds me that I know of another person who has been selected for an asst buyer position with no experience in that position at all ........

What abt the general admn position where people with relevant experience fit into any of the departments admn jobs...

That's wht my point was..

to quote u

''Btw, most of the HR people do know what they're doing - at least the HR Head of Dept. NB: HR mainly reports with recommendations - bosses decide''

HR mainly reports with recommendations - that is wht my actual point is , when they short-list and recommend they dont do all ''justice'' by priortising and forward the CV's of qualified perons but mostly of ''their''people.

Anyways...this is what I wanted to say ...do HR recommend the right person for the right job to their superiors ? The applicants at such companies are at the mercy of these junior HR inexperienced personnel.

the decision who to hire lies upon the department manager, not HR.

you should know that even by having an MBA in HR, you are not qualified to select the suitable petroleum engineer. only the engineering manager and directors make that selection.

at ur first response I guessed u r from one of the above companies and u said no, now u say u and FS are the qualified ones working there ...

Hey u may be right that I was not fortunate enough to meet the qualified ones...but initially my question was how come these unqualified ones are there in such crucial places - dont u think that they wud be effecting the selection of qualified people ? When u are not a qualified HR how can u make the right selection ....how do u know who is right for the right job ? aren't the qualified people on their mercy ? so without HR qualifications how do they make the right selection ?

Only read OP, sorry no time to read other replies.

My comment - Short answer - it depends on how one communicates to them that one is qualified in knowledge and experience. CVs should be 1 page only - state the relevant information in a concise and precise manner - catch attention - details later. And also how convincing one is at the interview. Keep trying. All the best.

/Btw, most of the HR people do know what they're doing - at least the HR Head of Dept. NB: HR mainly reports with recommendations - bosses decide.

From the perspective of unsuccessful interviewees - everybody's biased against them but that's not the real situation. There are many genuine reasons why bosses decide what they decide and they cannot be explaining themselves to anyone other than to their superiors.

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Don't want no drama,

No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama

isnt it true that u have only three tries to apply in these companies , so how come u kept trying for 4 years........

well, am sure you haven't met FS and myself, aka the qualified ones! and people of our kind. you've been unfortunate to meet the "exceptions" to the rule, and you have defined the rule based on the exceptions.

when u say I maybe a MBA in HR and there may be people more experienced than me .......That's what is I didnt see and experience when I meet a HR person in one of the above companies.

The person could not even speak fluent English , and I know the background of another person who I met when I was there - and I am damn sure that person had no HR experience as it was an ex-colleague very junior (job grade vise) to me where we had worked together earlier.

Anyways ...I just started this forum to know if anyone else aware of any such person in any of the dept's of these companies ...

That’s what everyone is thinking, but its not really true.. there are new recruits everyday....mostly overseas recruitments.

lashing out, I have met a few and that's how I can say ..I am not generalzing everyone ...but most of the people I have seen and met and heard abt ...

I know of a case were a fresh graduate who had been hired on nationality basis (the hired person told himself) ,and another case where a person was preferred again only on nationality basis and did not even match the job criteria.

I have already accepted the challenge ....and dont want to go in there as I am already settled ...but am aware of a few needy and very qualified people who want to.

and Formatted Soul I did not mean all of them , but a lot of them are ''in''....by waasta.

MAjority of recruitment takes place through Recruitment agencies in different parts of the world for these two companies

mkhan79, nobody in these companies hires you, It's not that they don't care, or that they hate you, or that you need to know someone.

With oil at $30, they got scared and won't hire anybody before it reaches $70 or more.

Yes I am one of them who are working there! It took me 4 yrs to get in there.. even though I didn’t get any response from them at all....I didn’t stop trying.

You maybe an MBA in HR...but just keep in mind you are not the ONLY one with an MBA in HR! there maybe people who are more experienced than you.

no, mkhan, i just think that by lashing out like that, generalizing everyone, is an immature response. if you're a professional HR, then you should know how to take challenges such as this. that's all.

r u not one of the people who is already working there ?

No it is not an unhealthy response at all .....personal experience and I am an MBA in HR too

Then how you think all these people working in QP and RasGas got in there? not ALL can be on wastaa..

You maybe just unlucky! try try until you succeed..

chill, bro. you probably went unnoticed by these companies, and now you are thinking that you're better than ALL of them. vent, whine, sourgrape if you please.

these are your unhealthy responses to this challenge.