Teachers now need a licence

You are right this time, nomerci.

LP, from your previous post I understood that you made a comparison.

Anyway, you might also want to mention how difficult it actually is to get IN one of those unis...ah, never mind.

You know what, our way of thinking is light years away from each other, makes actually not much sense to exchange ideas,sorry I started it, I shouldn't have.

Where do I make a comparison, nomerci?

All I say is that countries where education is a BUSINESS are basically sick. And I think no sane human would reject this opinion.

LP, how can you compare Germany to Qatar?

Here our children (or most expat children) go to private schools, and in that kind of system you get what you pay for, as simple as that.

And I have the experience with different schools to confirm that statement.

I am very lucky to have my child in a fantastic school where all the teachers we encountered are like Adey and his colleagues, dedicated, knowledgeable,enthusiastic.

Show me a public / government school in Germany where that is the case.

Hemlata, in Germany there are no tuition fees for universities. All a German kid has to pay are 500 Euro per year to cover the social and medical security. Education IS NOT A BUSINESS. It is the only means to survive as a country in the future.

I think Engineers and Doctors are incapable of being an accountant... Accountant should be licensed as well, unless they will take the course of Bachelor of Science in Accounting... unless, fake accountant lolz

they can't be a teacher as well, unless they've studied the Methods of Teaching...

the word "Diploma in" is poles apart to Degree, doctorate and masteral...

because here in GCC once they've studied 2 yr.or less course diplomas, they assumed to be a doctors, engineers :/

see ur inbox

"You get what you pay for”

Wow the quality of education now depends how much you pay for.

It means, it is limited to wealthy people and a child of poor labor has to content with low quality education because he can not afford hefty fee of expensive school?

May be primary education, teacher may be going out of way to explain beyond books because children have lot of curiosity but in college, a lecturer comes, read a book, explain it if and walk away. Do you dispute it?

I would like my child to become a doctor or engineer. May be my child interest is different but I know, this courses gives a basic intelligence. A doctor or engineer can become administrator, accountant, politician, artist, foot ball player, teacher, business man but not the vice versa.

it could be easy to get qualified teachers but how many of them are of real QUALITY?

I would say that 90%+ of the staff at our school work to the hours I described. That's because we are all UK trained and have worked in the UK system before coming to Qatar.

I do know that there are other schools in Qatar that employ non qualified staff or pay terrible wages....but as I said earlier, you get what you pay for.

To quote you:

"It is an intelligence, environment, determination, hard work and parents support makes an Engineer or doctor"

Good to see that you have your child's whole life already mapped out for him/her.

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps your child's talents and interests might lie elsewhere?

and:

"Paid just to read and explain a book written by someone else"....

Wow! I am sorry that you had such a poor educational experience.

adey - I respect you for your sincerity and deidiaction. But how many like you? May be less than 10%.

Sorry but you haven't a clue what you are talking about

It's been 10 days since I've had a day off - 80hrs worked in those 9 days. I will be giving up a Thursday night and a whole Friday next weekend also.

A 9 or 10hr day is normal plus all the work at weekends(and during the school holidays), plus we sometimes buy materials for the students out of our own money.

Fortunately I get a very competitive salary here compared with the UK - if I didn't then my heart wouldn't be in it as I would feel exploited.

In Education you get what you pay for..........and I have NEVER been in favour of anyone profiting from education; all monies should be ploughed back into the school for the students benefit, beit through good staff, matreials/equipment and buildings.

Ice Maiden, I have respect for all profession. Nothing special for teachers. Those days are gone when teachers were sincere and dedicated.

I have much higher respect for my father who taught me at home then to my teacher who was paid to teach me.

Now days, without tuition you cant get in to higher professional courses. One has to pay a hefty fee to those tuition institute. It is all money game.

Education institutes itself is business and there is no dedication - just a business to make money.

"Paid just to read and explain a book written by someone else"....my my you do have great respect for the teaching profession.

I was blessed to have wonderful teachers. Looking back, I realise now that although they were paid mostly peanuts they did their jobs with utmost sincerity and dedication.

It's only now that the standards have been lowered.

@ Hemlata I know several teachers who work from 6.30am through to 4.30pm...do the maths love thats 10hrs, doesn'nt mean the kids are there all that time, so you think all teachers do is read a book and explain it.....are you just ignorant or stupid...actually don't answer that

May be true.

But some time QL teaches and gives more knowledge and information then teacher.

Raven - which school you are talking about which runs for 10 hours?

5 days a week, more than 2 months holidays + other public holidays. Is any other professional enjoying?

They are to be paid high just to read and explain the book written by some one else?

It is an intelligence, environment, determination, hard work and parents support makes an Engineer or doctor and not the teacher or else every child would have been doctor or engineer.

All are professional and every one works for money dear. No charity.

Had it been so noble, Lucy would have joined for 1800.

we missed you lucy...what kinda salry are you looking for? Maybe I can help you...

really Hemlata?

I know some of Engineers/Accountants/Secretaries/IT's etc... here, Qling during office hours...but i haven't found any teacher's who's teaching while qling :)

for what? to teach engineering? :-P

For the post of computer teacher for +2 :)

that is a good way of doing it. I met a teacher on board a flight to Dubai who was on secondment there from a Delhi school. The salary was locally based though in terms of the std of living in Dubai :-)

Despite of being an qualified engineer DPS offered me 1800- qr two years back very proudly...Heeee Heeeee

The truth of the matter is that there are too many bad teachers in schools today.

The answers are not simple because education in the gulf is a business geared to making a profit.

The best system I have seen was utilised by the German School in Riyadh.

They used to bring teachers from Germany on secondment for two/three year stints. They would get the same salary as in Germany plus allowances. At the end of their tenure they would return to their teaching posts back home.

You're wrong on that one. Most teachers here are under their husbands sponsorship and therefore are not in it for the money.

Some states in the US are now importing Indian teachers for their high school Math and Science. I read that sometime ago in the Times. That is where they're all headed to, not here!

Indian schools here don't bring most of their staff from India.. They select from the people already in Doha on some family member's visa to save costs..

The best teachers aren't here..

Yes they pay peanuts and they get monkeys..

@ Hemlata are you serious, teachers come here for the salaries? Give me a break. My wife can earn more back in NZ than here, and as for working hours they are easily doing 10 hour days so thats rubbish saying their working hours are less than any other industry.

Every one needs high salary and expectation has no limit.

Teachers enjoy maximum holidays and working hours are also much less compared to any industry so I disagree that Engineer should be compared as my husband is an Engineer and I know how much hard life he has.

It is a profession like any other profession and they are paid as per prevailing values.

As far as I know, barring 10%, remaining teachers are not honest and sincere and they come only to make money and least bothered for the students’ career. Credit goes to parents.

Lol!

In the old days, teaching used to be a "vocation" ..

Now many treat it as a vacation :o(

a "job" but a conviction. A teacher doesn't only share knowledge but also etiquette and morals. The "passion" should be there and strong to make the students learn the good things in a good ways!

I think anywhere in the world...teachers are being under waged :/

not all high paid professionals here are qualified...IMHO

GCC is paying expatriates according race not aptitude...

Thumbs up Chevs!

We strive hard to get our licence (which is of NO USE here)... Sad but true.

But being "licenced" doesn't mean the professional is GOOD.

and NOT having the LICENCE doesn't mean neither that the professional knows nothing... it could always be the other way around.

Teachers in the northeast part of the US will make 20,000QR/month, or more.

Mandi

very true! And they are the noisy one!

Indian schools in Doha are making huge profits, classes packed to capacity, infact more than the capacity and teachers' salaries really low.. The standard of education here is abysmal and that's why I always advise all my Indian friends to educate their kids back home..

You can't have both ....

They always want qualified personnel for peanuts. And that's what they get. Peanuts.

They want qualified teachers, just not prepared to pay up!

Of they want qualified teachers than the salary has to go up. Plain and simple.

Isn't this a good thing ?

Theer are too many unqualified teachers in the schools. They only harm your childrens' education..

Just now? That's funny. No wonder why teachers who didn't pass board exams in their countries come here to teach. What about unlicensed doctors and nurses?

No qualified teacher will work for less than 15.000 plus accommodation, home tickets, healthcare, and initial loan. What that means is that school fees have to be doubled at least.

people expectations nowadays are too DEEP. Sometimes, shallowness of what we want before brings the most joys in our life. Just like the good old times. Good morning, Padre!

With society becoming so competitive, I don't blame the teachers who expect more. Everyone wants to up their standard of living, it's not a sin to want a better life.

Back in the day, we didn't compete with the Joneses, we were happy with watching TV and playing outdoor sports. Shopping for new clothes was not a weekly activity, nor was shopping for a new TV or music system.

teaching profession is a very noble one. But I guess, when someone feels hungry, the nobleness goes to the thin air. I think the current attitude of people have also somehow greatly affected the profession!

My mom retired as principal of her school. She taught for about 38years in that same school. She was paid peanuts compared to other schools in town. She did it out of love and passion, not for the money... I'm proud of it now :-)

in Philippine school here maximum salary for teachers will not be more than 3k... but with free accomodation and transpo...also with discounted meals in school canteen.

I feel pity for them, they studied for 4 long years and took board exams to get their teaching license...and yet this is what they will get :/...they should earn more than engineers/accountant or at least get even.

backhome most teachers are teaching according to their expertise...specially in science schools.

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A Pakistani school teacher is paid 3000 QR. But the class consists of 40 students. There are numerous other factos against the students.

We should have sympathy with the teachers but students should get equal consideration.

I like the news .

wk, 3500 max? for a teacher? really?... i don't understand why teachers are poorly paid, whether in my country, the US , anywhere. let's not forget that they are the ones molding the children, in effect, the nation's future.

An Indian school of repute here offers 3500 QAR maximum..