ALERT: DON'T BUY ANIMALS FROM PET SHOPS OR FROM ADVERTS

Dear Vee

African Grey does not need cages .. please buy a stand he will love you more and get used to your place faster.

I always liked the Golden Retriever! I know many people do, because they have such nice looks! And I always wanted to have a dog, but as long as I am traveling the world I would not get a dog because I know he would suffer!

Fact is, that you dont choose ur dog by looks! You look in his eyes and you fall in love with him or not. Could be the most beautiful dog in the world or just a street dog. It would not matter, its the eyes!

The doctors there told me that they will start with this campaign. I do not know if they do dogs now, but they are sooo nice and helpful there that I would not be surprised at all if they would do your dog now. But the campaign will start definately sometime in the future.

Aisha-Taweela

@dmigtysolomon; Xena no longer uses QL. If you wish to help out QAWS I suggest you contact them through the website; www.qatarpets.org

Is that true about the dogs Aisha-Taweela? If so it is very good news, cos up until now the government have been shooting any stray dogs they find if the shelter doesn't have room for them.

or you are particularly concerned about dogs and cats. For me, I also adopted a dog from a friend of mine and I do intend to bring this dog if ever I decided to go home for good.

I think the thread is bad for business and the way it was presented may bounced back to you. It should be done objectively and diplomatically. Your fulltime hardwork in QAWS is very much appreciated but information thru education should be done positively. I appreciate your post but I suggest a regular posts will be better. If you can ask QL to accept a poster/advertisement from you free-of-charge, then it will be better.

I agree with the suggestion regarding secretly-filming these petshops and show their ways of dealing with these lovely animals.

Are birds part of your "campaign". I'm guilty of buying zebra pinchers from a QL advertiser. Please advice.

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

Ladies,

I have read all the thrads on the dogs, the shops and Qaws.

I just want to let all off you pet owners and future adoptive pet owners know that everyone can help. It does not need to cost money.

Qatar is trying to neuter all cats on the streets. You can also do your thing by trying to catch the cats in your garden and take them to the Government clinic where they will neuter them free of charge. They are also about to start the same program for dogs. Everything is free of charge. Even if your animal has a flue, needs rabies shots or whatever, they will do it.

The clinic is open from 7am till 1pm Sunday thru thrusday. If you want an animal te be neutered or sterilized you need to bring it before 10am. and pick it up around 12noon.

Ofcourse the service is not as indepth as when you go to a vet, the treatment is very matter of fact. But then it wont cost you anything either.

So pet lovers, do your thing for the animals around your area. Help them by not having babies the whole time. that will also help the animal rescue from having lots of puppies and kittens.

Aisha-Taweela

Could anyone tell me where I can buy a big cage for an African Grey Parrot?

grrrr....don't get me started on fish!!!

I looked into setting up an aquarium when I got here as I'd had one back home, and I was disgusted at the state of the fish and tanks in the pet shops I visited. Dirty, over-stocked, dead fish floating around. Gross!

Needless to say I don't have an aquarium. I got a dog instead!

I want to support you Xena, now the question, i want to buy fishes for my aquarium, i gave away all my fishes to my neighbour when i was gone for a holiday so now i want to buy new ones, do you have fishes, and can i buy from there?

"There's nothing we can do to change the past, if it teaches  you a lesson profit from it then, forget it."

Why is Qatar don’t have any government sectors whose checking this animals welfare? Don’t tell me they don’t have any policies or guidelines that shops should followed?  But yes moonbeam were living on the real world & its not happening now... I think someone from QAWS should talk & seek for government help. Maybe Qatar government is too busy to see this issues. They can start by being very strict in giving business permits to this shops to avoid such problems.There should also be proper and serious checking if this shops really following animals welfare programs / guidelines. Government must also have their monthly or quarterly surprise visit schedules to make sure that this shops following this constantly

Nevertheless, until the government dont make any steps to solve this problems the most affected here is the poor animals!

Irresponsible pet shop owners should be the one to put in a cage & drown in the middle of the sea!

Gggggrrrr...)=<

"Even if  LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."

What annoys me is that there could actually be a good pet shop in Doha, or someone could be thinking of setting one up, but the abysmal (and justified) reputation that pet shops have here means it would take ages for them to gain a good reputation and build a decent customer base.

You have to forgive me, but I almost fell off my chair laughing!  LOL  :)

In an ideal world, where animal rights are respected would your idea work.  But here????  Tallg couldn't have said it better...............QAWS will NEVER, EVER!!! give the animals in it's care to a Pet Shop!   That would be insanity! 

Plus you have to remember, many of our dogs and cats up for adoption are not pure-bred (although we do get some) and so hold no interest for the greedy pet shop owners that run their lurid businesses just to steal money out of the pockets of unsuspecting buyers.

What the buyers don't know is the history of the animals being sold.  Breeding is done via 'puppy mills' (go look it up on Google, and you'll read all about this horrific trade).  Pulled away from their mothers far too young; they then arrive here after a harrowing journey, are kept in abismal conditions, and never re-vaccinated with their booster shots.  So by the time they get purchased for the 1000's of riyals (5000qr plus)  they are sick, malnourished,scared, unsocialised and many are infected with parvo-virus which is deadly to dogs (not humans), and can kill them within 24 hours.  

What makes anyone think that we trust the Pet Shop owners one iota, to care for and respect the animals in their care?  Half the time, when an animal is stolen, it ends up in a pet shop................wonders of all wonders! 

The Pet Shops should start thinking about bettering themselves.  If they do that, then maybe we could assist them by educating them in proper care techniques, and cooperating with them so that when an animal is stolen and turns up on their doorstep, we can catch the people involved.  But until they continue to be greedy, and let the animals suffer the way they do, they will never recieve our support.  And everyone out there should do the same!  

DON'T BUY FROM PET SHOPS!   

Blessings to all of you that support our cause!  :)  xx 

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If my idea will be approved each party should have a set of agreements & rules to be followed. Such as the pets shops need to provide animals with nice, comfortable and well ventilated cages, daily good foods etc.

Lets think that animals can not talk or defend for themselves. We humans have the responsiblity & we should be the one to take care & fight for their rights. 

GO! GO! GO!

"Even if  LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."

YOU DONT KNOW ME, DONT EVEN TRY !!!

wmhizon - nice idea but I don't think QAWS/QP would let the pet shops anywhere near their animals! Pet shops in Qatar have a terrible reputation for poor conditions and mis-treatment of animals.

I think the best solution for this problem is for the QAWS or QATAR PETS & the Pets shops to have cooperation with each other.

I mean the pet shops instead of maybe getting animals abroad or from other places to sell why not get animals from QAWS or QATAR Pets right? QAWS / Qatar pets can ask for a specific percentage from the pet shops incase that they sell a particular animal which can be used for the animals daily maintenance. By that they can able to help each other businesses and avoid much problem on this.

"Even if  LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."

Am looking for a Parrot or Macaws or any other birds to adopt.. please let me knw if some one is willing to give me.

Regards

Dennic

Hi people I'm looking for an adoptation of a dog...

Where can I find the right place, to help one?

Regards

Check mate.....

Charmed :) I wish everyone would read Marley and Me. I laughed and cried so hard with that book. Great reading!

Mis-cat, I know just how you feel. My dogs are seasoned travellers having been to three different countries over the last three years. I would never part with them either. :)

The more people know that desexing is important, hopefully will have it done. Thank you for contributing to spreading the word. :)

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My husband and I both Love cats we have 4 altogether 2 we saved from back home and brought here (which to our suprise did not cost as much as we thought) and 2 saved from here. all 4 will return with us when we leave here to go back home. My husband feeds them every morning and every afternoon when we go home for lunch , he frets all day long if one of them fails to turn up for breakfast until they do. It breaks our hearts every time we see stray kittens here and in pet shops and would love to give each and everyone of them a home but unfortunatly we cant. I urge people please desex your cats or any animal for that matter done properly it doesnt take anything away from them infact you will find that most wont stray as far as they normally would if you do.

i dont think i will ever understand thou how people dont love animals the way we do! Its so sad!

Marley and me is such a wonderful book i urge everyone to read it, it makes me laugh and cry!

Xena - we have too get the huskys togehter soon! i would love to see what Storm would do if she saw one which looked like her! I keep trying to get to the beach with the dogs when you all go!

Moonbeam is right about never giving up on pets - i have lost count of how many shoes, furniture, dvds, cds and countless other items which have been chewed and destroyed by our dogs - but the love they give us back is worth more than any stupid material item! My Thunder dog who i love like mad after three years of trying still wont walk on a lead properly but i havent given up on him and never will!! Animals need love and patience and kindness!

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Nicely said Xena. :) It's true I do keep drumming it into Xena's head that many people do not feel the same overpowering love for animals that we do. In my lifetime I have actually only met a handful of people that are like that.

You know how you can tell the difference? A person that has a profound love for an animal (the type that one reserves for family) will go through hell and back before giving up on their pet. Now, to clarify, this does not mean that I for example put my dogs before my family.

When I rescued my dog, she was truly vicious to strangers. The only people she would allow near her were my husband and I. Today she is a wonderful dog that I trust implicitly with my child. Because I know how to establish the correct 'pack' hierarchy which is so important in a dogs mind, and now I have two wonderful dogs which know how to behave. Granted, they still don't like some people, but that was because they were treated badly before I rescued them.

Marley and Me is a wonderful book about 'the world's worst dog' and the love his owner has for him. A popular dog breed, the Labrador, is usually thought to be placid and the perfect family pet. It is for the most part, but what most people don't know is that there are two distinct varieties of Lab. The working and non-working lab. The working lab is a bundle of energy; and like huskies, if not given something on the lines of 'work' to do, they get destructive. Labs are fantastic with children and will normally never bite, but they'll chew through furniture, and everything else in order to have 'something' to do, if they can't get out and run run run!

So many people get pets based on looks rather than fully researching the characteristics of a particular breed. Then when their pet starts displaying it's own genetic tendencies specific to it's breed, many people 'give up' on their pet and either re-home or worse, abandon them. Is it the dogs fault? No, us humans have a brain, moral judgment that was granted to us to use. We are supposed to know better.

The fundamental difference between people that love dogs, and real dog lovers is that a real dog lover will not give up on their pet at the first sign of difficulty. Just like most people wouldn't give up on their children when they get into trouble, right?

Think of it this way........... your 4 year old kid gets crayons and draws all over the wall? What would you do? Ok, so you reprimand your child, tell them that it's wrong, and then go out, buy paint and paint the wall! You wouldn't put your kid up for adoption just because it's 'costing' you to have to paint the wall, replace your chewed shoes or have to clean the carpet due to an 'accident'. Right?

Dogs years are 7 to 1 of ours. So when a dog is 1 year old (it's 7 human years). 2 years old is akin to 14 human years. After 2 dogs settle into a more mature frame of mind (usually) :)

Having said that, a 7 year old child is not expected to behave like an adult, correct?

If more people would research dogs, breed characteristics, pack and heirarchy dynamics and the importance of properly caring for their pets, we wouldn't have so many abandoned pets.

It is our shortcomings as humans that is the problem.

Blessings,

Moonbeam

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as Moonbeam is always trying to drum into my head.... others don't feel the same passion that we do about the animals.... Mine are my life - hiyati....

You and I know that Huskies are tons of work... and the only reason we have them, (and don't get me wrong.... I love Lycan to death - Amutfeek - as you love Storm....)is because we wanted to give them a better life than the ones they were having....

Another thing that a lot of people don't seem to understand is the spaying and neutering of dogs... I do this practice, because my love for the animals is so that I don't want the unwanted babies to end up eternally unwanted.

The pet group desperately want to get out there and educate people on how to care for and understand their animals.... keep holding thumbs that we get this right.... eventually....

Threw a couple of arabic words in - am trying to learn.. so its good practice...

now i hardly ever post on QL anymore but this i feel passionatly about. I have never ever gone into one of those pet shops as i know i would burst into tears and would not be able to cope with it.

I dont understand why someone would have their heart on a certain type of breed of dog - really. I understand that people choose dogs for certain reasons i,e looks but do people actually look at what the dog was breed for initally before they take them in? Like Huskys - they are working dogs ( my husky is working her way through chewing my sofa!).

Dogs are dogs - same as cats people shouldnt pick one just because it looks pretty or they like the look of it! thats madness - if everyone who wanted a pet got one from the adoption places rather than helping these monstrious pet shops then qatar would be a better place. All our dogs are rescue dogs and they are the most amazing dogs you will ever meet!

Wow if someone could record in the shops that would be amazing - we dont have to stop at Al Jazzera - i know someone who works for the papers back in the UK and they would run with the story. If there is lion cubs there this is big news!

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I'll film something. Let me k ow what to so and I'll do it.

@xena, that's a dream husky for me. I hope I can find one once I move into my new home. Also, what a great name for a husky. Lycan = wolf

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I have a husky.... she is gorgeous.... snow white, with two blue eyes....

But Lycan started out in a petshop here in Doha along with her sister who was very sick.

Lycan's original owners went in to rescue her (at QR3000 later)but they could do nothing for her sister... Long story short, a week after they bought her, they had to leave Doha and posted her here on QL (for free -a week earlier she cost them a fortune)...

I look at her everyday and see what a happy well adjusted puppy she is, and wonder what happened to her sister....

When I got Lycan, she had ringworm... which she then gave to Korin, my GSD.... She has constant stomach problems, which no matter what i feed her don't seem to go away.... both problems have cost me about QR3000 at the vets on medications and foods, and I have only had her since August.....

Buying from the petshops, is a rip off.... I know for a fact that they are getting the dogs from local people at a 10th of the price... back home... if you pay QR3000 for a dog... it better come with pedigree papers.....

I bred GSD's back home for years... Highly pedigree ones.... and I have never charged more than QR1500 for a dog..... most times they were going to pet home, but the pick of the litter would usually go to show or working homes.... and always with good pedigrees

It makes me so angry when I hear that people have paid so much for a dog, knowing that the possibility of that dog being ill with Parva (google it - its dreadful) could die within a short period of time....

Amnesia, we have such wonderful babies looking for homes.... To me.. having a husky in Doha, is cruelty.... its a dog that needs cool weather.... Lycan lives under the A/C..... and if you still wanna own a husky.... take a read on the QL pet group site... I posted something that was sent to me by a friend..... then tell me you still want one.... I have been involved with dogs my entire life... I train them, I have bred them.... but I have been very challenged by this "madam"... more than I ever thought possible....

Again... please, please, please.... don't support the petshops.... supporting them, means you are supporting the cruelty that happens in them....

Good case in point:

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/44912

This guy looks to me like a shark on QL. :(

Yeah that would be wonderful, if a qatari national would do it. Hint Hint! ;)

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Why not take some undercover videos of some places and then send a tape off to Al Jazira?

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I will be posting up on my website soon excerpts from the Islamic teaching on Animal Welfare.

Contrary to popular belief, Islam places great emphasis on animal rights and man's responsibility for their welfare.

Unfortunately the ignorant abound. All morally just people should stand up and fight for the helpless by writing letters of complaint to the authorities.

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These pet shops are actually haram, for those of you who don't know arabic, its a sin. In islam, we arent allowed to harm an animal unnecessarily. As animals do not belong to us, they are not ours to harm. This is a minor example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muezza .

For some reason, the muncipality is applying selective islamic pricinples. Beyond that, the prinicple of purchasing a pet is cruel and promotes an inhumane industry.

Animal Kingdom on Naser Street is the worst of the worst. Over past years, i have seen endangered macaw parrots, a large monkey and a lion cub in these stores. They are in disgusting conditions. As for the normal pets, who would buy a cat when there are so many strays? These poor animals spend their livies in a tiny cage until they are too old.

I hope a grassroots campaign forms to ban these stores completely. Ethically, there is no excuse. Islamically, its clear and they an affront. I can't see how these stores stay open. I lost my temper with the animal kingdom store manager when i saw a grown cat in a cage the size of shoe box but the asshole played ignorant, apparently he couldn't speak neither english or arabic.

Please remember, people who claim to disagree with this industry and do nothing to help are a part of the problem. Talk to everyone, attempt to figure out how to help.

Thank you so much. I have goosebumps reading your post. I cannot agree enough with what you wrote. I have two adopted street dogs, I can say hands down, they are the best dogs in the world. Ok I'm biased by the gratitude and love I get from them daily makes me thank the heavens above that I saved them from such a horrible life on the streets.

Jasmine is on right on target when she says that when you adopt here, you already 'know' exactly what you are getting. Animals imported here come form puppy mills and bad breeding far too often; and when problems arise later who gets blamed.........the dog! When it is only the person that purchased the animal in the first place that should be blamed.

Thank you again Jasmine, well said. xx

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sorry

I agree that the pet shops here are dreadful, I am one of those cowardly people who can't actually go in there but I have heard enough stories. One thing I would like to add. I know that when you are looking for a dog, you may have set your heart on a particular breed that are unusual here but maybe is popular back home. I know that you may be tempted to import one if you can't find a pup here. But please, remember that there are lots of dogs who need homes, dogs who deserve a second chance in life and are just as likely to be a loyal friend for years, even if they don't look the way you want them to. The band of animal welfare angels here lavish love and care on these dogs and teach them to trust humans. You will be getting a dog who is fit, healthy and whose character will have been assessed. A tiny pup in a box subjected to the trauma of a long journey after leaving it's mother too early will not be as well adjusted. Remember, we don't choose our human friends according to the way they look. jj

I know you love animals, in which case you should have a look at the condition these animals endure at the pet shops here. The ONLY decent pet shop selling live animals (not pet accessories, which is fine) that I EVER came across in the middle east was in Dubai.

People need to be aware of the horrors of 'puppy mills' and what industry they are fueling by purchasing a puppy here. Sadly the owners of these pet shops are more interested in making money than taking care of the animals they are selling, often selling them when they are sick, and not vaccinated. Because puppies need to be a certain age before they can be vaccinated, they try to sell them without them having been checked by a vet.

An unsuspecting buyer, and there are many in Qatar, purchase these animals which are sometimes diseased. Mange (sometimes found in confined animals as it's very contagious) can be transmitted to humans. Ringworm is another one.

When an animal is healthy there is very little chance of interspecies infection; there are only a few zoonotic diseases transmissible to humans, the most notable one being Rabies.

Until attitudes change and people are aware that they are getting scammed, these pet shops will continue to exist. Amnesia, you should go and see and act out against these pet shops rather than say it's unfair.

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I say no no no...

Why people buy pets when they know they not gonna be here forever is beyound me...And then they dump them when they leave...

I have enough cats hanging around my apartment as it is...

I just feed the one that had his tail ripped off...

Ugh...its fugly looking but at least he gets a good meal...

Hmmm almost 4AM...I must be bored...

I don't think it's really fair to say not to support a pet shop.

I understand that it would be impossible to make a list of 'farmers', but lets say someone has a genuine petshop and 'caters' to petlovers needs?

I have a Shi tzu (spelling?) and Toy Poodle I bought from a Petshop and I love them so much. Home in Bahrain wouldn't be the same without being greeted by their friendly faces.

(I love it how Bella parades around the house as if to tell me "see? I took care of it while you were gone!")

Anyway, what I mean to say is, lets say I wanted a husky (which I do :P) what do I do if I can't find the pet to adopt?

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I agree with Xena. One such example is someone on QL that has been harassing us to adopt an animal. Today I found a post that he has a dog for sale here on QL. I find this particularly upsetting as this man kept on saying that he is an animal lover, when in fact he is just scamming money from unsuspecting people. We didn't fall into the trap, but all it takes is one to fuel the vicious circle.

Do not fall into the traps............don't buy.........ADOPT!

The horrible pet shops here inhumane! Don't give them reason to get more animals!

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