British Govt. Denied Visa to Yousuf Kardavi
British government denied to issue Visa to Yousuf Kardavi recently. By rejecting the visa application British government saying that Yousuf Kardavi is supporting islamic fundamentals & militants and it is danger to British community. 20 memebers from house of commence bring a statement against him.
You know that Since 1999 American govermnet is not allowing him to enter the country by rejecting all his visa applications.
In my opinion he is not a fundamentalist or extremist islamic scholar, but he is very good person who always against the extremists & islamic fundamentlists, remember he was one of the persons who condemns Sepetember 11 world trade centre attacks.
Is this kind of actions really help western countries to reduce the gap with Islam..
Please ............ waiting for your thoughts........
Darude.. most of the kashmiris in the uk are not the ones I'm talking about.
I am talking about the educated lawyers, doctors, and people with masters who come from pakistan and upper class families. Usually UPI who speak the equiv. of RP english in Urdu and punjabi families from the cities. The kashmiris, jaats, some jallums and mirpuris here are a whole different subject.
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Well Britain will give visas to killers anyway.
he is not extremist or fundamentalist, in this case Dr. Naik is lucky
to travl all over the world and he is proud to be fundamentalist
Btw athiran why this 786 tag
PH shut your )^&^^%%
Qardawi might be popular famous for those pakistanis living in UK.
and those Pakis are called BBC, BRITISH BORN CONFUSED.and wait they are not pakis by cast they are kashmiris.
Believe me Qardawi steps in Pakistan he will regret his whole life then for making that mistake.
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If it does not go against one of their sects.. I.e. hanafee ... brailwee..Qadiani.. deobandi's and tabliqui jamaah
Yes but most of the pakistani who are educated about Islam.. or try to be follow the ikhwaanee movement.. and listen to the scholars of egypt.
Having said that.. alot of pakistanis just go to the masjid and think anyone with a degree and beard is able to speak about Islam. :( Its all about status and networking in pakistan.
But because they revere Sayyid Qutb and hasan al-banna.. even if they have never heard of Qaradawi.. they would follow him if they find he is a follower of them.....
He is well known in Middle East and Europe, Egyptians do boast bout his 170 or more islamic books to his credit.
He is more popular bcos of www. Islamonline.net
I have found that the majority of educated pakistani muslims who are not part of one of the many sects do follow Qaradawi. And even more so the pakistani muslims who are more educated in Islam then most from their country and live in the Uk follow him more so as well.
Although recently this has been on the decline it was certainly true before all the media attention he recieved.
My husbands whole hanafee family have heard of Qaradawi and they live in Karachi. My many pakistani friends from Lahore, Islambad, and even peshwar also have heard of him and listen to his fatwas. As well as my educated pakistani friends from this country.
And almost all educated about islam pakistanis are followers of Sayyid Qutb and hasan Al-banna even if they have not heard of Qaradawi.
pakistani muslims follow Sheikh Qaradawi,????????????????
WHO THE HELL TOLD YOU THAT???????????
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Well that is where I agree with you diamond girl. And goes back to my majority of muslims are sheeple.... The majority of Arab and pakistani muslims follow Sheikh Qaradawi, revere and respect him. Why? Is it Islamic? Do they care to find out?? Would they dare question this???
Unlike yourself.. most people do not care to be intellectual enough to find out about their own religion. Hence why we are the minority in this world my dear! And muslims are fighting over silly things like cartoons and Qaradawi when they should be fighting their nafs and trying to learn about Our beautiful and perfect religion.
The UK has every right to deny the visa. Qaradawi can't really expect to be welcomed with open arms with comments such as he made in the BBC doc.
Yes, the UK is a tolerant country and society in general. I have lived there for several years and have first hand experience of this.
Some of his views are extremist and have no place in a moderate society, including my own country.
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Love is the answer...
In the UK there are more mosques than I can count (and I'm good with numbers). I can't understands how people think that the UK is intolerant to other faiths. If anything the UK bends over far too much for all other faiths and has lost its own identity in doing so. The UK is probably the most tolerant of western countries, often to its own detriment. Anyone trying to defame the UK should try to get their facts right first!!!
The protestors marched to the main entrance of the embassy. Al Nuaimi walked in with the petition in his hand. After he came out having spent sometime inside, he told the gathering that he met the Charge d'affaires and handed him the petition, refusing to disclose its contents.
“The diplomat has given assurances that the issue would be raised with the British foreign ministry,” he said. Qatar has allowed a church to open here and Christian clergymen keep visiting Doha regularly.
Entry visas are not refused to them, said Al Nuaimi. “We request the British government to treat Muslim clergy in the same way.”
Fair enough, though I don't really need the low-down on there work and vacation habits. I'd given up hope on them responding ages ago.
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Frog is going on vacation so he may not have so much time on QL just now, I haven't seen him for a couple of days.
I understand that happens canarybird but I made my comment some 11 days ago, in which time both frog & hashin have been quite active on QL.
Frog appears to have stopped reading this thread as he hasn't commented since my comment, or if he is reading it he's ignoring the query I directed at him.
In hashin's case he has commented many times in this thread after I posted my original query, so either he didn't read it or he is choosing to ignore it. If he didn't read it then obviously he wont respond to it, but I believe that if you're commenting in a thread you should read everything that precedes your comment.
If he (and possibly frog) is ignoring it, then that's his choice and he's entitled to do that, but equally I (or QT in this case) am entitled to remind them that they were asked a question.
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"...IF they see fit!"
They are probably busy working they will answer when and if they see fit.
Frog & Hashin appear to have stopped reading this thread QT, so I don't hold out much hope of them answering my query.
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His travelling to UK may start a great many other unforeseen events, especially as there is a hang to terrorism in a few parts of Britain already. His entry may spark of political unrest under some fractions and flame up into violent demonstrations.
Actually I don't see why Britain should excuse themselves if they deny him an entry visa, many others are denied visas too.
Would you go and protest for a poor African or what ever nationality who just wants a chance of a better life, and is refused entry because he does not fit the criteria. No quite sure you wouldn't.
Each and every country in the world reserves the right to keep undesired aliens out of their country.
Tallg - I too am awaiting their reply to your query. It would be interesting to see their comments, especially as its seems they are conveniently ignoring you. Especially since Hashin posted this comment earlier
excellent synopsis...
you have asked some thought provoking questions...
the fact that no one has bothered to counter your questions is testimony to the fact that they are all tounge tied "
Some three to four hundred people marched peacefully to the British embassy here yesterday to protest against the refusal of the UK government to issue a visa to the noted Doha-based Islamic cleric, Dr Yusuf Al Qaradawi. A petition was also submitted to the mission.
Well I'm still waiting for Frog & Hashin to respond to my query about how they feel about Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi's comments made during his interview with the BBC, which appear to be one of the main reasons given for denying him entry.
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Hala ya frenchy,
QL is ful of ignorant guys lol
no use to guide them, thts another case,
mental treatment lol
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Hi guys the issue is not related to medical treatment, but strictly related to freedom of travel & other things. Every body is saying globalisation... but the mind of men is not globalised really.
that he was going for medical treatment. Health care here is very cheap, for expats and nationals, but that is all we get.
Nationals get way more than expats, salary rises, welfare and the like. And for your info, im not entitled to healthcare in the UK anymore as i have not been a tax payer for 18 months.So im in the same boat as this scholar chap.
And health care IS free to all in UK, no matter what race, religion, colour etc.
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it is encouraging though that the french have steered away from this kind of close mindedness... when it comes to foreign policy in general, they think straight and apply themselves instead of just mimicking big brother...
You can take your precious free health care and __________
Free health care from NHS is not for everyone and there is no reason to assume that Yusuf Khardhawi is looking for free medical treatment.
Anyone who goes to the UK for a short visit is asked to take medical insurance before they go there... so its definitely not 'free medical care'
Its very surprising that you make such a hue and cry over free medical care when you yourself live in a country which gives the same service to its nationals and expatriates alike...
anyone, especially when they are not Nationals, nor have they paid into the health system through taxation. Only people who live,work and pay taxes are entitled to this.
So Frog, it is your comment....." Denying a visa for medical check up for an old man is really something shameful." really isnt a constructive critism, especially when, due to bad mis-management and underfunding by the Brit. Government, there are too many elderley Nationals, who are desperate for important medical treatment and have to wait for 2- 3 yrs.
Qatar hospitals are supposed to be efficient, let him come there and get treated !!
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than just the health request...just didn't want to get into that ball of wax with some folks on here.
We've done the same in the States...lived with Muslims side by side..in fact one of my best friends was an Indian family that was Muslim and we socialized a lot.
Guess I was thinking on this issue like this..:
If you have someone who makes horrible statements and threats about you or your family, are you, in about a few years' time, going to welcome them back with open arms when they say they want to come see you and your family and stay in your home?? I wouldn't...I wouldn't trust them.
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. --Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
athiran, thanks for responding. It is interesting to read other peoples views on this and have a sensible discussion with them, despite the attempts of others to turn it into something it's not.
While I am all for freedom of speech I am also a believer of people having to accept the consequences of what they say. The UK made a decision based on comments he made. They are entitled to do that, just as he's entitled to say what he wants. It doesn't mean the UK are stifling his freedom of speech (indeed the original comments were made during an interview with the BBC) they just don't wont to be associated with what he has to say and be seen to supporting it. He's still free to say what he wants elsewhere, and the UK media will still report it.
Anyways, looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this ;-) but thanks for starting an interesting topic.
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It is not just him wanting to go the the UK and irrelevant of the Health Care he needs, the greater problem of him entering the UK is it might spark off terrorist attacks again.
The UK is now very wary of people of his reputation entering the country and it may or may not have anything to do with him personally but definately the propoganda and they upheavel that his presence may ignite during his visit.
As Mr. Paul said Britain is certainly multicultural especially because of the connections to India and Pakistan.
Hashin
Our cultures live side by side with Muslims and get on very well with each other.
I myself in the past have gone to school with them, eaten in their homes shared homework etc. etc. funnily enough their parents did not object and neither did mine, don't you think that odd especially as I came from a very stonch Catholic family. So don't plant ideas here that we are not multicultural and accept other faiths - what you don't know you can't write about.
Personally i believe in freedom of speech, travel & relegion in any where in the world. I dont think the presence of YK is harmfull to any country because of his nature. He never attack any community or country, may be he condemnd about iraq invation or israel attack against Palastinians, please note that many prominent Americans & Bristish also condemnd the same. You know during Iraq invation the foreign secretary of Briton Mr. Robin Hood (name am not sure) was resigned to protect against the invation, is British govt expelled him fromt the country. Is any Asian country denied visa to any EU, US & UK citizens related to any statement that is the different.
and if you'd read and follow what people have written you'd have seen the answer...mine was:
Each country has the right to ...
admit or not admit whomever, for whatever reasons. After all the problems from 9/11 and the tube bombings, I don't blame either country for refusing to admit whomever they deem dangerous.
I don't care what someone does, or what religion they are, if my or someone else's country thinks they might be a threat, then they have the right to refuse them entry...especially if all he wanted was free medical attention...funny...he goes and spouts off about a country then wants them to give him free medical assistance...talk about hypocritical.
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. --Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
hashin, you appeared to conveniently ignore my comment above so I'm repeating it here;
As I understand it the main reason for him being denied entry is because of the comments he made during an interview with the BBC in 2004. Surely you can't condone the things he said then, can you? And it's irrelevant whether the comments referred to the West or not.
I do agree that, from the little I've read, some of his other views and ideas aren't extreme at all, and I can see why he's respected by many. However, you can't overlook the "extreme" thing he did say just because he's respected otherwise.
Although this was origianlly directed to frog, I'd be interested to hear your responses to the above questions as well. Oh, and the reason I didn't quote the exact comments he made is because I assumed frog was already aware of them.
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You can't teach experience...
Why don't you get a job with him as a shoe shine cleaner and pedicure attendee? If you feel so pro towards hiim as a scholar of your prefer religion.
Should I said sandal cleaner and toe nail fungus remover. Why don't you vouch for him in front of US and UK embassy if you feel so pro about him. Nobody will listen to your whinning, except the wind....
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Is not none of your business what happen between me and PM. Stay clear completly and out.
The Red Pope of Qatar Living
But as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
the definition of which, I believe, is someone who just likes to wind others up.
Goodnight Hashin - sleep easy :D
It started off by linking him to terrorism and now everyone is busy undermining his credibility as a scholar by calling him a hypocrite. This is called skirting the issue... bottom line... the UK is secular as long as you are Christian
You are questioning PMs allegiance to the US?
Shame on you!
Yes I did read your threads. You are right! I do apologize to you Mrs. Pm for attacking your Citizenship loyalties. Sorry for my screw up! I'm not justifying my words with my following comments but for some reason. I'm not loading the whole web page completely in my browser, even when I hit refresh. Again I apologize to PM for my attack on her citizenship.I'm done for the night, I had enough of this drinking and running my mouth to the wrong people. Sorry PM...No excuse for my words and attack on your loyalties..... The Red Pope of Qatar LivingBut as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
pope... do you really think your doing anything right by acting like this...
just curious
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My Apologies Pm and that GuyI read your comments and you are right. I was wrong completely. I did edit my comments and it was out of place.The only excuse is that I\m a bit drunk on my Holy juice. The Red Pope of Qatar LivingBut as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
Yousuf KardaviIf he is banned from entering the USA and UK let it be. He ask for it.What difference does it makes, If he is Muslim, catholic, or protestant?I can't stand when people used their religion to cover up their actions. The Red Pope of Qatar LivingBut as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
thatguy I share the same opinion about you. The Red Pope of Qatar LivingBut as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
PM you know as well as the rest of us that you cant take anything the pope says serious... because he doesnt even know what hes saying some times...
no one else is questioning you so its ok...
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Looks like there is an orchastra who have nothing to do but bashing US and Westerners as a dessert. Let aside the Christians and the non-radical Muslims. It is a 4-course meal
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lets bash Ql
about the good the bad and ugly in QL
no thanks...
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is a hypocrite. During the second intifada, he called-in to boycott US goods. Only to back-off to not effect the sells of a soft-drink!He might had some flexible fatwas, but he has an extreme political agenda. frog,hashin-I suggest you read about his fatwas during the stock exchange craze in 2005 (if that's not hypocrisy, what is!?)
excellent synopsis...
you have asked some thought provoking questions...
the fact that no one has bothered to counter your questions is testimony to the fact that they are all tounge tied
Have any of you tried to read about Yusuf Qaradawi and what he has to say?
Not one person has listed the comments which he had to say...
pfft...
Frog, as I understand it the main reason for him being denied entry is because of the comments he made during an interview with the BBC in 2004. Surely you can't condone the things he said then, can you? And it's irrelevant whether the comments referred to the West or not.
I do agree that, from the little I've read, some of his other views and ideas aren't extreme at all, and I can see why he's respected by many. However, you can't overlook the "extreme" thing he did say just because he's respected otherwise.
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Who said Dr. Qaradaoui is seeking free Medical care in Uk ? Please don't be stupid . There are thousands of people who are ready to take care of him and give him millions of Dollars if only he accepts such offers. On the other hand , I Just feel sad people believe all what is said on Media. Before you can Judge that man , would you please take the time to read at least one of his articles? That man is the most tolerant of the Muslim Aulamaz. He never made any propaganda for Violence or hatred against the Westeners.
Regardless of him being an Islamic Leader and a great writer.... Denying a visa for medical check up for an old man is really something shameful. GB is free to accept or refuse to give him right to get in its territory, but doing this because of his Writings and thoughts that are most of the time misinterpreted. .... Where is that so-called Freedom of speech that u're so proud of ? Vanished when an Islamic figure is involved?????
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Arrogent British not allowing a Saint to enter their sinfull land :)
I am hiding in the desert with baduwins.
heck Qatar is still looking for you but you keep escaping their grasp!!
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. --Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
Scartlett _ will they allow me to enter?
admit or not admit whomever, for whatever reasons. After all the problems from 9/11 and the tube bombings, I don't blame either country for refusing to admit whomever they deem dangerous.
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. --Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
Yes, every country has a right to deny entry to foreigners.But denying entry to one of the leading Islamic Scholars in the world reflects the state of Islam and its acceptance in that country...
I dont know how you can say that the UK doesnt accept Islam . Muslims have been living there for decades with no trouble. The UK is one of the most multicultural countries and the Government bends over backwards to accomodate other religions and beliefs, the best it can.
We arent even allowed to fly our ST George cross because some people find it offensive, its our countries flag !!
And at the end of the day when alls said and done, no matter how much moaning and whining about this issue is done, the matter has been solved. Hes not allowed entry and hes not allowed free health care.
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I'd be interested to know what the original poster, athiran786, has to say now that others have replied to his thread;
athiran786 - While it appears that Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi is highly respected by many and does have some interesting and good things to say, were you aware of the specific things he has said which appear to have prompted the UK & US to deny him entry? How do you feel about someone who you feel is a very good person having these sort of views?
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If he suports suicide attacks and even thinks it is ok in civilian targets then he is a terrorist, but it is ok that he goes to UK for his health purposes - no indeed better he goes to France the UK had enough of terrorist attacks we don't need nor want him.
Don't call Yousuf Al Khardhawi a 'would be terrorist'
If not for my sake, atleast for yours...
cos I would really not want to see you deported from Qatar!
Do you realize/know that he is one of the most highly respected persons in Qatar?
No it doesn't ,it just proves the fact that the UK and Scotland of course are not letting in would be terrorists.
Please don't simplify the discussions and the matters he articulated because I don't think he should be let in either no matter what kind of scholar he is.
Yes, every country has a right to deny entry to foreigners. But denying entry to one of the leading Islamic Scholars in the world reflects the state of Islam and its acceptance in that country...
while reject/approve visas? I doubt it…
and like Oryx said, it's entirely up the government to allow a person in to the country or not.
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He was born in Egypt but moved to Qatar in 1963. More info here and here.
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Big deal. Any sane person would condemn the 9/11 attacks. Just because he condemned them doesn't mean he should be free to travel to the UK.
Where is Yousuf Kardavi from? Which country I mean.
The time has come to substitute caution for courage. Martin Luther King, Birmingham, Alabama 1963
THE French will eat a dead mouse in a sandwich for what I'm concern and sell it to you as a intrigue delicacy. The Red Pope of Qatar LivingBut as Muhammad Ali once said, 'It's not bragging, if you can back it up'."
He didn't just defend suicide bombings, but said civilian targets were legitimate. "An Israeli woman is not like women in our societies, because she is a soldier."
London used to be open to all sorts of people, including dissidents who would openly talk in universities about armed resistance to various regimes, including Israel. Since the London tube bombings, there has been a progressive tightening of the visa procedures, with a ban on many who have preached the killing of Jews, Hindus, Americans, etc.
The thinking amongst mainstream UK politicians is that London had become a refuge for violent rebels, including Chechen warlords and the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood, who encouraged violence not only in their own countries, but also against Britain and her allies. The current stricter visa regime is an attempt to redress the balance.
to come to England for free medical treatment... How bloody cheeky is that !!!
You slag our country and beliefs off, and then demand to use our free health care. Finally the British government is standing up to these people !!
As some people on this site like to say, its our country and our rules...If you dont like them, then tough !!!
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good step taken by UK govt. he shouldnt be allowed to US too.
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I would imagine part of the reason Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi has been denied entry into the UK is because he defended suicide attacks in a BBC interview a few years ago, though they did grant him entry in 2006 (though he didn't come) so it seems they've changed their stance on him since then, maybe due to pressure from numerous politicians.
But as Oryx says, it's a government's perogative to deny entry to anyone they want, though no doubt some will see this as preventing freedom of speech.
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Who cares about Yousuf Kardavi
and Amy Winehouse was denied a visa by the USA
2 Greeks involved in organ trafficking in Indian had their passports taken away by their embassy
it is the perogative of every government to deny visas and take away passports