Celebrating death ?

Its the right of the American to celebrate...its a basic human nature..

OBL got what was coming and deserved it..

others have it coming too and may deserve it..

OBL dead or alive don't make difference to the ones that seek to emulate him...the war is not over...

Whyteknight states a factual error...most people killed in Iraq were victims of their own civil wars..sunni's killing shia'a and vise-versa, with the kurds and yazidi's thrown in.

Not so long as the USA is winning, writing the histories and controlling the media. It's all about power relationships. Look what the Romans used to do to cities in which a few of their citizens were killed; or what the British did in response to the 'Black Hole of Calcutta'. Everyone wants vengeance for their dead citizens; it's just that some countries are able to exact to the extent of their will.

If killing number of people in a single day defines a villain then is Harry Truman a bigger villain than Osama?

If killing total number of people is the yardstick then are Bush & Obama bigger villains than Osama?

After all over 100,000 people have been killed by them in the last 10 years in Iraq & Afghanistan. 100,000 people who had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or 9/11.

lol tinker...Damn the windows with multiple tabs :(

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http://www.icc-cpi.int/NR/rdonlyres/04D143C8-19FB-466C-AB77-4CDB2FDEBEF7/143682/OTP_letter_to_senders_re_Iraq_9_February_2006.pdf

This is the report from the agency listed above on Iraq, so don't expect any swift action against any US entity...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

Don't take the reaction of those Ignorant fools to be the main mindset of all in America.

These types of stories sell, that is why it is on TV.

In my circle of friends, we do NOT and will not EVER celebrate Death.

That being said, there has been a lot of emotion surrounding him and the Media have kept the (more ignorant portions of)US population whipped into a frenzy about OBL.

People have rejoiced in the past in the death of an evil monster (Hitler) and that is how the Media have been treating this and it is a VERY unfair comparison! This is not the end of a World War, it was the execution of an elderly figurehead for the use of political gain.

America will continue to keep everyone distracted by these ridiculous stunts...please understand that this is nowhere near over.

War, Death, Destruction, Destabilization, Occupation

The cycle will continue as it always has.

Smoke--I don't buy everything at the supermarket, but I believe the products exist. The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they cannot be proven either way, so they are the refuge of small minds. I claim that the whole universe is the dream of a dying flea--can't be proven either way.

polkadots--you're living in delusion. No country, if it had the power of the US, would have behaved much differently. Look at history and show me a more just and benevolent empire than America's.

You mention the British. When they were at their height, how many Asians and Africans died as a result of their cruelty and mismanagement? Because they liked sweet tea they pillaged Asia, enslaved Africans and destroyed the indigenous peoples of the Caribbean. These are the people that forced China to accept the opium trade (Opium Wars) and invented concentration camps for civilians in wartime (Boer War). Just ask the Irish at how well the British behave as an occupation force. It was the British idea to create Iraq in the last century as a country made up of warring factions so that they could more easily rule it.

@ Freanchieman,Taking an Eye for an Eye is viewed as barbaric , so how would you describe your statement "US responded by mauling the entire body of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc"

Is it any surprise the world despises such animals, who not only understand the extend of crassness of their actions but clearly exalts in it as well!

BTW, The British do know how to gather in the street when the occasion calls for,…. refer to pictures of Hyde Park on April 29th.

This just second my belief that if it were just the British occupying, Iraq would not have to resort to such extreme measures it does now , and even god wouldn’t know what all will they have to resort to drive out occupation!

Frenchie, just coz you dont buy into them does not mean the possibilities of their existence isn't there. You do not buy everything available in a supermarket do you? You pick up what you like to eat. Like I mentioned above we dont know the "truth" what we can comment on is what we see on TV and through the news reports.

smoke--I don't buy the conspiracy theories. I think they are futile attempts to complicate what is in reality a very simple world marred by the aggressive tendencies of man.

polkadots--I don't know how all 330 million Americans see themselves. I do know that the celebration of the death of one's enemies in one form or another is universal to human society, and singling one group out to shame them for it is a bit ridiculous. The British didn't take to the streets because they rarely do; their public celebrations can be seen in the headlines of such papers as The Sun, Daily Mail, etc.

I personally did not celebrate the death of Bin Laden, as I did not have much invested in it. He lived by the sword and so he died by it. I also don't think it will change much, but I do hope it provides comfort to his victims.

In terms of eye-for-an-eye, if Bin Laden and his supporters took an eye from the US, the US responded by mauling the entire body of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. and now reserves the right to extract its vengeance on any nation or people via the Bush doctrine.

Frenchie dont reach the moon, talk about Earth and whats happening here seem to be more out of reach of your comprehensions. You watch too many youtube videos it seems.

From my personal prespective and personal opinion

This all media to let people forget about what happening in Lybia, and the death of the Gadafi son and Grand children.

I think also that this was brought to media to get away from the two failure attempts to kill Al Gadafi this week and last week when the NATO targeted his office and house.

Once again what I have wrote above is my personal opinion which might be correct and also might be wrong.

So the lives of US citizens has value but the lives lost due to the creation and pursuit of this monster by US has no value. Supporting nations who are openly involved in terrorist activities killing countless people in other countries also seems acceptable. As someone said above, on whose death should these people affected due to the wrong policies of US, intended to further their interests, rejoice.

BTW 3000 people (innocent) of US are equivalent to how many non US citizens...may be entire world... Right...

Wow John!!!, you seem to be a Human lost in a jungle!But I just wish that your country were populated by more like you,.... sadly isn't, ....

Smoke--and the moon landings were all staged and we are all figments of a sleeping dog's imagination.

Frenchieman, Tell me,Does the US not consider itself as being more civilized than the average,fanatic Arab/ Muslim?Or are you willing to repeat their same mistakes?If so what and where is the demarcation line, if you too belive in Eye for an Eye , Blood for Blood,Classless behavoir for Classless behavoir?

Be ashamed then, I won't lose sleep at night knowing "deedee" from qatarliving is ashamed to consider me a fellow American. I did my duty and served my country, did you? I don't get involved in the politics of what people do, and don't do. I do not know 100% that Osama bin Laden did the atrocities that our government accused him of doing. I do believe he had something to do with it, but I do not believe he acted alone. I'm not a zombie that believes everything the US government feeds the media and expects us to believe. Am I a bad American for that? Am I not entitled to my own opinion on this subject?

And on another note, do not compare Osama bin Laden with Hitler. That may be the most idiotic thing I've read in a while. You can not even realistically compare the two.

Not defending anyone's rights to celebrate but Polka has a point. 9/11 time and again has been proved to be a pre planned AMERICAN attack on its own people, a reason to provoke war and nothing else. Who knows what the truth is, but knowing America i'm not surprised they took so long to "hunt and destroy" ONE man..seriously grow a brain and open your eyes.

polkadots--you're right. Muslims and other peoples around the world NEVER celebrate the deaths of their enemies by taking to the streets. ROFL.

Detroit area MUSLIMS celebrate with flag waiving and fireworks:

http://www.freep.com/article/20110502/NEWS05/305020002/1007/news05/Detroit-area-Arab-Americans-Muslims-happy-about-bin-Laden-s-death-comforted-see-justice-being-served-

Somalians dragging dead American soldiers through the streets in celebration

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-03-21-somalia_N.htm

Iraqis do the same:

http://www.rense.com/general50/iraqisdragbodies.htm

And don't even get me started on what Indian mobs do.

Deedee, over coming the "I-ME MYSELF" attitude is the first point that differentiates Humans from Animals.....but then again it’s pointless to say so to a society where the rule of the Jungle ”Might is Right” prevails.

in a single day. The fact that other countries did not celebrate his death is irrelevant. This man sought to kill me, my children and probably you as well. Spare me your sermon. I will celebrate!

You Americans sound as if 9/11 was the only terrorist attack on humanity,.... there were countless before and after,...... in,New Delhi, Mumbai, Kashmir, Islamabad, Karachi, London, Madrid,Human lives whith the same value were lost in all of these attacks, execpt identical buildings, and Al Qaida along with some others did play a major part in all of these attacks. However, NO BODY except from the USA deemed it fitting to celebrate in such a manner on the streets , that itself shows the blood hungry physic of the US society,....Not even London, who was with the US in hunting Saddam ,did come out yesterday! That proves that America is still populated by the cast offs from the British society and has not evolved to pocess any human dignity YET!

Totally agree with exexpat and Qhris.

Criticizing the USA for the way it killed OBL (including the collateral damage to others in the compound) or celebrated the fact is just a thinly veiled way to attack the West and express sympathy for the terrorists.

To the original OP, I recall seeing dozens of demonstrations of crowds of "good" Muslims cheering as they dragged dead American soldiers in the streets. Where was your outrage then! Be grateful the US did not put his body on a pike and plant it on the White House lawn. They had every right to do so.

you lost all credibility when you stated:

"whatever bin Laden did, doesn't really matter to me....

I am ashamed to consider you a fellow American.

I celebrate the fact that a completely EVIL person has left this earth. I do not apologize for that. Would you feel embarrased if you were around when Hitler died and people celebrated that?

OBL nurtured by US, killed by US.

When the US used him, he was a hero. When he turned against US, he became a terrorist. How convenient and how easily people forget this fact.

Sure, they have the right to celebrate, I'm not against that right. I just think it was classless to do it in the fashion my fellow Americans were doing it in. It looked liked WWII had ended again. I just feel a bit disappointed after seeing that.

Human emotions are so unpredictable and so variable that what maybe tasteless and odd to some maybe normal and accepted to others. Back in SL people celebrated the death of the LTTE chief Vellupillai Prabakaran in a similar fashion as mentioned in the OP and while that may have seemed cold blooded and messed up to some,the families of the victims of many of his bloody bomb attacks thought otherwise. Ultimately to each his own..Personally I worry that such celebrations will be provocative to all those OBL wannabes who will now want to take his place and fight his cause..Audubillah!

QatariFemme - Similar celebrtions were seen in some parts of the world at the death of 3000 Men,women and Children during 9/11 who were entirely innocent. Where were you that time?

Bin Laden was a murderer and the victims have a right to celebrate.

I am not pro, or anti, USA, but I think that by allowing people from your region to crash planes into buildings and then harbouring them from capture and justice, your regions (whether stone age or not) waived the right to be 'left the f**k alone'.

Despite of what has had happened today, OBN has actually harmed the image is Islam greatly, and instead he has helped the US.( excuse) to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. The recent revaluations that are sweeping the Arab World is in fact what the Arab world has been waiting for.Puppets & dictators are on the run and democracy is insight (I hope).... OBN has always talked about how the Arab Leaders were puppets to the US & Europe, but the Million Dollar question.... what has he done to liberate the Arab world of these puppets ?? NONE, which proves that his ideology and agendas were obsolete whether you agree or disagree with him.

its all safe for them to leave by now and let afghani people to live on their own, regardless of whats in their mind to capture lands natural resources.

same old haters and sanctimonious preachers.

you know ... we actually would like that. Yes we want to revert to the stone age, just leave us the F**K** alone. I do not see any Arab installations ( Military) in the west, so why do they leave their loved ones behind for what so called "freedom of the ME"??? I think there's something wrong with that picture. Hey we were at one point glorious and the west lived in the dark ages.... every dog has his day.

Very great discussion everyone!

You made great valid points.

I'll be back to give my insight on this.

-Dont condemn human behavior from AMERICANS because they should know better -and yet they go with "mass psyche" and behave cheaply like much condemned groups of middle eastners on 9/11 ?

Plain hypocrisy and double standards [as most of the times].

Dude, are you kidding me? How many innocent people do you think die EVERYDAY in Afghan, Iraq, Pakistan, etc. at the hands of the US governemnt? C'mon now... the US Air Force is reviewing their policies on using Drones because they are killing so many people. The terrorist claims go both ways. We think they're terrorists for what they did to us during 9/11, and they thnk we're terrorists because of what we're doing to them. Don't make it out to look like the US goverment does not share some of this blame.

Stealth, when is Bush going to reap , what he sowed; with millions of poor ,innocent afghan civilians blood on his hands and unforgivable lies to his countrymen ?

he is dead, what about his army? his other leaders? did these people thought when they started celebrating?

Now he is dead,, let's forget his death,,, but what's next?

You can't expect the masses whether American or Terrorists to hide their emotions just because some say its not right! most of the worlds population is the average working person that just "goes with the crowd" don't condem human behaviour from Americans because they should know better. You are right Qhris Terrorists are terrorists they want to inflict as much pain and sorrow onl Westerners no matter what Westerners do good or bad.

I think it may have been in The Peninsula though ...not sure :-)

I agree with you - terrorists are terrorists after all - wherever they come from. They do not need ‘much’ to decide to bomb and kill innocent people to justify their cause.

Do you not think though – the ‘celebrations’ were at best juvenile and also hypocritical?

If the Western world was offended by the celebrations of 9/11 and the West see themselves as superior – should they not have taken the moral high ground?

Did they not actually ‘lower’ themselves to the ‘same standard’ of those that danced in the street in the Middle East – the very people they call uncivilised?

Underneath that story is a sub-story about

"Qatar bound for top in global fertiliser output"

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/index.asp?cu_no=2&temp_type=44

One can only assume the 'fertiliser' in question is the s**t journalistic content.

Damn just checked Gulf-Times website, the biggest news they have is that Emir receives GCC chief and no mention of OBL at all.

Now that's what I call quality reporting.

to think that Americans celebrating will somehow incite terrorists to be more deadly.

They are f**ing terrorists! They aren't sitting at home playing with Barbie dolls, seeing the 'celebrations' and thinking, "well, I wasn't going to blow myself up with a home made bomb, but seeing that on CNN has changed my mind, where is my back pack, this has made me mad...."

They spend every day, every hour, every minute plotting to bring down Western civilisation.

They don't need to see people chanting 'USA' to want to blow up buildings and kill innocent people.

They get as much incitement from seeing a McDonalds or a picture of a woman in a holiday brochure in a bikini.

Anyone thinking this somehow 'creates' more terrorists is deluded; they were plotting to kill people the day before Bin Laden died, and they are still plotting with as much hatred as they had before.

How many 'celebrating' Americans did it take to cause 9/11?

Zero, they weren't even on tv celebrating anything.

There is no cause-effect here; terrorists are evil, nothing will make them more evil than they already are.

who's celebrating??? no mention of the death in the gulf times.

and this is qatar's top-selling english newspaper.

IS IT SUR THAT IS REALY DEAD???? SOMETIMES MEDIA LAY A LOT!

I agree with both your sentiments - my point being - all these 'celebrations' incited more hatred in those that still support the idea of OBL and they will act on this.

It is not over by a long chalk - they will see what happened in the USA and they will seek revenge.

Just as the Americans were 'incited' by some PEOPLE celebrating 9/11.

They should have been glad he was gone and maintained some dignity.

So the families of thousands of Afghan & Pakistani civilians who died in this "War on terror" deserve a celebration too?

Whom should they kill on their celebration day?

The Twin Towers stood there proudly as symbols of the West and one September morning, without warning, were obliterated without the chance to defend themselves.

Osama Bin Laden did not stand as the symbol of Al-Qaeda. He cowered and hid and allowed himself to be protected, not even following the instructions he gives to all the brainwashed Jihadists that he manipulates.

He is scum.

People saying USA should have been the bigger man....well, they hunted out a rat. Vermin which bullied them from behind a curtain of safety for 10 years.

The euphoria following that is pretty understandable, I would have thought.

JohnRMcD; the people in 9/11 died without warning, without a goodbye.

This bas**rd had 10 years to say his goodbyes, he was living on borrowed time.

That OBL was killed was inevitable and he deserved it.

However, the President played to the gallery and the crowds lapped it up..

I have to go with john on this one..

And before anyone says i don't know how it feels - I do. My dear friend was killed in a bombing and my son was injured, while I lost my house..

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Cabbage you are missing the point of the celebrations! Bin Larden is just a symbol of what Americans have been fight against for the last 10 years! As the President said America didn't cask for this fight. People are just releaved that closure can be had for some, justice can be felt by others and Americans have been shown that their President will fight for their country and their freedom if it is threatened!

I do think we have to consider some feelings here - we may have 'hated - disliked' the man and what he stood for - we in the West hated seeing the scenes off celebration after 9/11 - I daresay it fanned the 'hatred of Islam and Arabs’ - why then, fan the flames by acting in the very same way?

Surely a better person/nation would perhaps be glad he has gone but not incite more hatred?

Muslims danced over the fool of American government over killing its own people , OBL either died long ago or he never exists as he was shown in media over than a decade , what happened yesterday was just the climax of the Drama of War on the Terror , a label of success by American government to show its people before leaving the ground and to fool the world that there was a solid reason before our invasions and war.

It sounded like a fire fight to me. The man should not have had his wife & children with him knowing that there is a bounty on his head.

Stone Age??? Oh come on - that's over the top!We are not talking about aid here - that is another subject.

John - If those 'celebrations' had happened in the UK I would have been mortified too.

No need for it at all.

But I just find it curious that someone is worried about hurting the feelings of people over OBL's death when there was so much defense of celebrating 9/11.

BTW I don't think his death means much in terms of terrorism. It will go on.

I'm an American, and the instant I saw people in the US celebrating like that, I felt ashamed. Whatever bin Laden did, doesn't really matter to me... but he died in front of his wife and children. No man should be shot in the head in front of their family... no matter what he did, or what he stood for.

I thought it was extremely classless for 50,000 people to be chanting "USA! USA!" at that baseball game, and for people to be celebrating in the streets of DC and New York the way they were. I'm from New York, and I was there when the towers went down. My family was affected from it, but I still would not have been in the streets acting afool like that.

tasteless.

Here Here ex.ex. expat ! Bring it on! The free world has every right to celebrate a victory in the fight against terrorism. If the Middle Eastern people in the U.S do not like the way they are treated, THEN GO BACK TO THE MIDDLE EAST. All Westerns should stop all aid and pull out all troops from all non Western countries and watch them revert back to the stone age where they belong!

Pointing to "The Golden Rule"...

I saw the pictures of people celebrating the death of OBL.

I have not had a loved one die at his hands but I have had a cousin die because of the IRA. So I can understand the bitterness some people may feel.

However – I do not think it was a very dignified. When 9/11 happened there was much condemnation of some Arab/Muslim people dancing in the street in the Middle East. Yet we have witnessed something similar in America today.

He is dead and that perhaps could be seen as ‘good’.

Does a civilised society then have to laugh, wave flags and party? I did not like it at all.

He was an evil person- that there is no doubt. Yet, he was after all a son, brother, uncle, father and husband.

He may have given up the right to be viewed as ‘human’ but some of his family who have done no wrong, should be allowed to ‘mourn’ him however they chose and not see scenes like that.

All those people have done is incite more hatred and this will escalate.

Those that died in 9/11 and London should be remembered with dignity, all those that have died at the hands of OBL should be remembered with dignity, all those that have died unnecessarily in the ‘conflict’ should be remembered with dignity.

It was wrong for them to act like that just as it was wrong for those that laughed when 9/11 took place.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

you sow what you reap

Muslims danced and cheered on 9/11 but that didn't stop any of them, did it? Did you say anything then?