Compound kicking out cats...rat poison found

There are DOGS in the CORNICHE???!!! what are you dog-loving expats doing to our country???

Even though he did not realise it. It is the fault of the 'Oaf' not the dog. People should be licensed to own an animal, and educated before being allowed to keep one.

I agree Gypsy. It doesn't bother me so much that someone doesn't like animals, I'm just not used to it. Also, even if you don't like an animal, it doesn't deserve death.

I was told by the Dept of Animal Resources to stop feeding the cats because they may be diseased. I said no. Just because an animal is diseased and may die, it still deserves to eat. If it's breathing, it deserves food and water.

Oh and I don't know if anyone saw the post where we found our lost cat after 2 years but were unable to get her. We saw her again last night at the same place. Hopefully, we can get her and if not keep her, take her to the doctor.

Amen

This thread is getting ridiculous. Trying to convince DavidB or Rochester that dogs and cats aren't dangerous or disease ridden is like trying to convince the Pope to convert to Islam, it's not going to happen.

Some people are simply scared and mistrusting of animals. Nothing you can say or do will change that.

In defence of the animals, dogs and cats have been domesticated for thousands of years and people of realied on them for hunting,protection and vermin killing for just as long. Naturally we have grown fond of them for all the useful things they do.

At the end of the day, regardless of their nature, they don't deserve to be given a slow death from rat poison, no animal really deserves that.

It's not just the attacks, Ivanhoe (and I don't agree with you -Shepherds are all walking timebombs in my humble opinon) - I have had the misfortune of living near people who own Shepherds. I found that neither I, my wife nor my children could even walk into our back yard without some aggressive creature roaring (like only a shepherd can do) up against the fence. Peaceful enjoyment of our own yard was just bloody impossible - all because some selfish oaf insisted on owning a paranoid bloody animal that saw a threat everywhere beyond its limited world (IE - the oaf's backyard). Complaining to these oafs is just a waste of time - and if you want to know why - then read some of the loony toon submissions to this thread.

to turn on their owners. To generalise like all 'German Shepherds' are potential killers is the same as saying all Indians are labourers. My whole extended family have had Shepherds at some stage and I love them. They are protective and not vicious. However I have seen some that are aggressive. But I see that in humans too. Try walking in to the wrong pub in East London or going in to a bike gang headquarters in Aus or NZ. These people are vicious.

Yes we are omnivores - so both Herbivores and Meat eaters. By the way - mentioning Bacon on this site tends to make a few salivate :)

What I meant is that as animal owners/carers we need to take responsibility to ensure the animals we have are well kept. If we all do this then there would be a lot fewer incidents of dogs attacking their owners. It's not as if they would admit to mistreating their dog would they??

Ivanhoe - I'm surprised you asked that last question - we are the biosphere's killers a la supreme!! granted not every human is a killer - but a hell of a lot are (just like dogs and other domesticated carnivores).

Your comments on treatment of animals are true but it's not the whole story - I agree with you that treatment has a lot to do with it - BUT - I repeat there are plenty of documented instances of the family German Shepherd or Dobermann or whatever and which has always been well treated suddenly an unexplicably turning on its master or nearby children. These are facts Ivanhoe.

Incidentally I think you will find that humans are classed as omnivores - we can live without meat or with it. We don't - or at least most of us - don't salivate at the sight of a piece of raw flesh like a carnivore does - nor do we rip living prey apart and consume them raw.

Just like parenting - just because you have a pet, this does not make you a good pet owner. These poor animals, that have a tendency to be defensive, are usually baited and teased to be more aggressive.

Dogs have their place and to have a large animal is a city is sometimes cruel - these animals need space to run and exercise and they need activities to keep their minds active and plenty of good social interaction.

What would happen if you took a child, locked it in a small space, only allowing it to come out to the toilet a couple of times a day and allowed it no positive social interaction. They have very little chance of being nice.

Don't forget we have canine teeth too and we (usually) love to eat meat. Would that mean we would be instinctive killers too.

Sabiabella - I have no arguments with you at all. I would never mistreat an animal nor would I allow my children to do so. Both my kids love animals and treat then with kindness but also with a healthy respect.

Where I take issue with you is this - try telling a poor child that's had its little face disfigured by a dog attack that animals will never harm humans - it's just not true.

Attacks on humans - especially children are common in the west by breeds of dogs that just should not be allowed to live in built up areas. I'm referring to pit bull terriers, dobermans and the like. I even recall my mother had a small mixed breed dog that used to attack anyone that came near it. I had to keep my kids from visiting her because of this.

Some of the attacks on children may be the result of a deluded self defence mechanism in the dog's brain I will admit - BUT - there are plenty of documented cases where dogs have turned on their owners and children for no apparent reason. My theory is that all pet carniverous animals have a supressed killing instinct and in some the instinct simply comes to the fore - and the consequences are tragic.

Suhail...the majority of children here are taught to hate animals and be afraid of them. The dogs on the corniche are more afraid of humans than humans are of them.

I like animal lovers...they are much friendlier, tolerant, caring people. I'm not sure that I have any close friends that don't love animals.

Animals love you whether you are fat, ugly, tall, short, disabled, sick, etc...it's incredible to me that people can hate them or be afraid of them. They do not have the same defenses that humans have. Yes, they can defend themselves in some ways but not up against HUMANS that have guns, knives etc.

I found a cat today that had literally been skinned alive. He had a hole going through his body and one eye missing. Granted, some of this could have been done by another cat but some was done by a human. I took him to the vet and had him euthanized. It absolutely disgust me what people do to animals. There are some humans that I truly dislike but I would never hurt them.

If you want to stay away from dogs its better to go looking for flats. I think in most of the compounds there are a few families with dogs.

Its high time the authorites does something regarding these dogs in the cornicnhe and parks. They literally scare away the kids...

I'm very happy for you KiaraJane....

Xena - why don't you just "loosen up" as the yanks say. I really couldn't give a rat's rear end what you tolerate or not -and that's not much by the sound of it.

This is a forum for free expression - if you can't stand the heat - then leave the kitchen.

I am not starving for friends, people want me to be their friends!!!

Do unto others, what you want to do unto you!!!

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You Got it Mate!!!

Pretty useful word, bugger. I am going to bugger off now and get some lunch.

Richard - this is from an Aussie Dictionary

bugger me! = I'm surprised (ns)

bugger me, dead! = I'm very surprised (ns)

to bugger off = to leave (ns)

bugger off! = leave! leave me alone! (ns)

to bugger up = to damage, ruin (ns)

I'm buggered = I'm tired (ns)

go to buggery! = piss off! get out of my sight! (ns)

Everyone has their own rights.

leave the dogs or cats lovers alone!!!

it's their rights to protect their dogs and cats.

learn to respect that !!!

stop being disrespectful

Do unto others, what you want to do unto you!!!

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My dictionary says that bugger means sodomize. Then again, its an American dictionary. Hopefully it means something different in Australia.

Richard - you obviously not an Aussie or you wouldn't need to ask this.

Kiarajane - relax - you're NOT (repeat.. repeat.. repeat..) NOT in the Philipines. You happen to be fortunate enough to live in the lowest crime rate regions on earth. Boy! - you must be starved for friendship!

by talking about shooting dogs (Once the working dogs have finished their useful life, the farmers usually insert a small lead weight in their left ears), shows the mentality we are dealing with....

I will no longer tolerate the childish antics of posters that deliberately stoop to the levels they "pooh, pooh".....

Continue to have your fun.... It just gives me fuel for my saying..."the more I meet of humans... the more I love my dog..."

Excuse me!!! Rochester in Philippines we need dogs!!! Dogs keep us safe from thieves!!! better than hiring security where they sleep while they are on duty!!!

I used to have dog when I was a kid her name is Queenie and she's my best friend!!!

Do unto others, what you want to do unto you!!!

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Interesting choice of words. Not sure exactly what that means but I think again, it has scatalogical implications. Then again, could just be irony.

Bugger me dead Rochester - You're right - some of these people are dead set loony toons.

I gave the aromatically, canine infested suburbs of Sydney away many years ago - moved to a farm in the country. Now - many of the surrounding farms have working dogs - but that's OK.

Once the working dogs have finished their useful life, the farmers usually insert a small lead weight in their left ears.

should live together in a hospital sanitized environment. They could have fun pouring invective against those lesser souls that associate with animals or young children or any other species of human or animal that is not able to control its excrementory affluence to the required level of sanitation.

I agree completely. My in-laws have three dogs and live happily in an aura of urine and excrement. I have to complain loudly to get them to even clean the yard of turds. I am sure you will bear me out that the suburbs of OZ have a pervasive smell of dogcrap wafting on the breeze.

"Man's best friend" ? i don't think so!

only bejasus has threatened the dog-lovers, and

i have to disassociate myself from that. On the other hand, the most blood-curdling threats have come from the skilophiles:

" my dogs would definitely sense his fear and probably enjoy ripping his lower organs off...."

"My dog will attack you in command and tear your butt to pieces and bring you to submission. Then I will take your gun and put you out of your misery... My dog is trained to attack on command."

Freud, or Adler, more likely would have a field-day with the sort of displacement of aggression going on there!

Calm down please - no one is talking about shooting your mutt (or you) - as I recall this thread was about poisoning cats.

having said that - you seem to be typical of many dog owners (although not all thank god) who place the welfare of their mongrels above that of the human beings unfortunate enough to have to live near them.

Rochester - I was once looking to buy a house in my home city (in OZ) - I'd say about 75% of the houses I looked at were obviously inhabited by dog owners as upon entering I was assailed by that revolting dog smell that permeated the entire place - worse than the smell of smokers. The sniff test was always confirmed by heaps of dog crap in the backyard - how people can live like that is beyond me. But I guess we all rise or descend to our true level. Needless to say there was no sale.

About those dog free areas in Doha???

It was us dog owners that were threatened with our dogs and then us being shot... not the other way around....

All I said was that if someone harmed my dog, best he move very quickly or I will take matters into my own hands....

That does not mean I would resort to shooting him.... It simply means that he will wish he hadn't done it....

X

are a different matter...if they live out in a kennel ok. I still wouldn't allow them to lick my kids' faces or sleep in the house!

David, this is a symptom of how boring Qatar is: I am reduced to baiting dog-lovers for amusement!

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

Thanks Ivanhoe - they are beautiful animals - although a little temperamental & don't go well with kids who have a tendency to scrunch them up. I guess I'm just lucky that I don't have any allergies to animals. My father in law had a severe allergy to cats - but always kept them because he believed that cats can reduce blood pressure by calming you - I think there's truth in this.

The difference with cats is that they are generally unobtrusive, they hide their crap, they don't yap all day and night but hey - I have many friends who hate cats and I DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY !!!

To all the one - eyed, rabid dog lovers out there threatening to shoot us if we dare object to having your slobbering creatures come near us - simple - just keep your animals and their copious amounts of crap out of our way.

"Lets not even continue with this thread as clearly most of the posters here, bar a few, don't know much about owning dogs or really care that they are the most loving creatures God put on this earth.... as they say, 'ignorance is bliss'

Lets just hope we never come across these people while walking our pets, as it would seem like we, and our babies stand a chance of being shot, if certain posts are to be believed...."

Well said Xena, I completely agree. The dog haters on this said obviously don't know much about dogs or cats for that matter. But then who are we to attempt to educate. I am happy in the knowledge that I was blessed with parents that educating me to respect and above all understand animals; and any risks involved from a young age. My daughter was taught this from the moment she started crawling and you know what?...she knows how to behave around dogs she does not know, which in return keeps her safe from any possible harm. The sad thing is that aggresive dogs are the results of bad humans; and all you have to do is watch the news every day to see that it's humans that are more 'beastly' than dogs will ever be.

Anyway, I've always liked animal lovers better. They are just more caring, more giving and generally funnier people. I've always instinctively stayed away from people that do not like animals.

So hey, no loss for us :) Take care and have a wonderful day. X

Uh...vodka? I've never heard that one before!

A friend of mine that lives over by Family Food Center had a bunch of stray cats outside that she fed and would take to the vets fix them and get their shots. All of the sudden half of them are gone. They've been gone for a while. Wonder what thats about??

Charmed...I agree with you 100%.

We thought that one of our cats had licked up some anti-freeze and the American vet (from the zoo) advised us to force feed it vodka as that neutralises the anti-freeze.

She went on to say that the shepherds do this if any of the flock drink anti-freeze. Keeping in mind that this was before the bars were open, we asked where they would get vodka from?

The palace?

if anyone ever tried to dare hurt my dogs when i am walking them - by gosh i would kill you without a doubt. I walk my dogs away from public areas and delibratly dont let them go near someone if ever someone stumbled upon me walking my BABIES, yes i love my dogs to death and would defend them to my last breath. No one has the right to shoot someones dog, no one has the right to poision an animal. What is wrong with you people who hate dogs - hate them by all means but why threaten to hurt them? theres many things in the world i hate - wasps for one - would i kill them ? No. Why? Because im not a sick person. Oh and my first question to those people who threaten to shoot my dogs when i walk them, why are you walking around with a gun? Do you need a gun to feel manly and to shoot innocent creatures just to feel manly - theres operations for that you know.

some prefer to have dogs rather than children. what can one say?

Glad to hear that DavidB - So you know how good cats can be. Turk Angoras are beautiful. Similar in nature to Bengals?

Rochester - I did not say unfounded. We all fear that which will harm us. I am lucky not to have such an allergy and am grateful for that. I did not mean to offend.

Another problem is antifreeze....it has a taste that animals cannot recognise as poison.

I have a severe allergy to cats, and avoiding piles of doggy-doo on the pavements like in the Uk and OZ, is something I am glad we don't have to suffer much here in the Gulf.

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

Gee - Ivanhoe - the border customs said it was a cat so I guess it must be.

Lets not even continue with this thread as clearly most of the posters here, bar a few, don't know much about owning dogs or really care that they are the most loving creatures God put on this earth.... as they say, 'ignorance is bliss'

Lets just hope we never come across these people while walking our pets, as it would seem like we, and our babies stand a chance of being shot, if certain posts are to be believed....

X

it's true that wspa came here to train the "vets" (and i use the term loosely) to spay, neuter and euthanise the local cats in a campaign to reduce them. it seems the gov find it easier and probablycheaper to put out rat poison. fortunately, most cats know not to eat it. but the ones that do, suffer an horrendous slow painful death. as far as diseases go, the only life-threatening disease from cats is rabies. however, another human can give you: aids, syphillis, typhoid, ebola, rabies, yellow fever, hepatitas, smallpox, SARS, etc. need i go on???

mr. rochester seems to have an unfounded fear of small animals. maybe he was tied up as a child.

DavidB - you sure you were not sold a pig?

Cats hate crap on their fur and unlike dogs want to get rid of it - hence the digging and covering.

We have a part Turkish angora cat - beautiful animal and she will be coming with us. She is washed regularly but does not live in the house.

Rochester is absolutely right - all animals carry all kinds of nasties which affect some people more than others - hence allergies. Not surprising when you consider they spend most of their time wallowing in dirt and crap.

Believe it or not - there is a positive side to all this - exposure to animals and their little nasties is reputed to make people more resistant to diseases.

Dogs just happen to crap everywhere, bark all day and night and bite off bits of anatomy with their incisors which make them especially odious.

Totally agree Ivanhoe

Not paranoia or ignorance. Small Pox, leprosy and TB have been eradicated from many countries using medicine and intellectual methods. Deal with the diseases not the symptoms.

ROCHESTER - if you are so allergic to cats - stay away from them. Maybe one day Jesus will heal you from your affliction or your fear.

If Qatar would join the Pet Passport scheme so many more westerners could take their pets home with them when they leave.

We have cats - and they are not killing us. Rather they help with my wife when she suffers from her endo. And our cats are much better behaved than some of the kids on our compound.

God - what am I coming to.......

I think cats are dirtier than dogs...at least dogs go to the bathroom outside(if trained). Cats go in the litter box...in the house.

I have not seen any rats in the year that I have been here. I thought that the cats were keeping them under control. Is that not true? Are there many rats around?

I used to live in New York City and if you walked the streets at around 3.00am you would see the buggers everywhere. Much rather have loads of cats than any rats.

The number and sheer vehemence of postings to this thread in response to Rochester's criticism of dogs is proof that many people regard them more affection than their children.

Personally I loath them - filthy noisy creatures that are downright paranoid at the best of times. But I would never harm one deliberately - just avoid it.

There are dogs in Arabia - but only working dogs on farms. No self respecting Arabian home would allow a dog to live in the house. After all - the prophet declared them to be unclean animals.

Cats on the other hand have been part of the culture here for yonks - going back to pharonic times.

Question - are there any dog free compounds over there?

I agree though, my dogs and cat in the States are my babies. I love them to death! They would give their life for me, my son or my husband. Why should an animal like that be treated bad or like its filthy?

I intend to raise my son around animals of all kinds, especially our dogs and cats.

I love love love dogs and cats. They love you unconditionally. That's more than I can say for most humans.

Dogs are like ppl's kids sometimes. There is nothing wrong with that bajesus! What I find disturbing is how strongly you feel about this.

Everythings great with me! I just hate dogs! To me they're like cockroaches, pigs......filthy and twice as scary! Maybe to you guys it sounds cruel but that's because your biased....u said it urself! I especially hate it when someone like Xena says dogs are like our babies.....thats just VERY disturbing :-S

I am no expert but I do remember the Dane eating the poison on TV to prove it didn't harm humans or pets.

Why don't they just bring in more dogs to kill the cats (who kill the rats)?

they exploded?

How horrible was that danish poison?!?!

Excellent story, thought

I had heard that they brought the cats to get rid of the rats. But you are the expert, dweller, so you're probably right.

A Dane got rid of the rats in the early 80's

Butterfly. The beauty of the poison that was used in the 80's was that it took so long to work, 24 hours, (the rats eventually exploded) that they didn't associate the poison with death.

Rats reproduce rapidly. And they learn to avoid poison quite easily. I'd much rather have the beautiful cats.

Does that mean that we then can expect more rats??? YUK!

They started neuturing and killing the cats. So now the rats are having a field day. So the easiest solution they found was the use of rat poison. I suppose some comnsultant must have told them its better than having cats around. There was a time in Qatar when the cat population was minimal, those day you could find rat in almost all buildings and especially near trash cans. Then they brought cats from outside to control these rats.

They were pretty successful with taht. I think now they got fed up of seeing cats, they started to eliminate them.

No unfortunatly. Right now a lot of compounds are resorting to poison. As cruel as it may sound, I believe it would be just best to go out and shoot a lot of these cats, it may not be the most humane, but at least it would be quicker then poison. :(

Have they got any other plans in mind?

Rochester. We get it, you don't like animals. Thanks for your opinion.

I know they are trying to do this Sabia, but I was talking to the vet in charge of it the other day and unfortunately it is not going as planned due to a lack of volunteers. It is not simply a matter of putting out a cage and checking on it later, you have to put out a cage and then watch that cage all day or night until a cat is caught. It's simply not a realistic approach.

posted by my wife. I thought I already had made my point...

anyway, its a new day and I don't hold grudges. If people want to kiss and cuddle animals that have recently been sniffing each others' butts, that's up to them. Its a free country. No, hold on, i was thinking of somewhere else...

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

We can all quote from the Beeb.

I think that if you read between the lines the dog was being or had been trained for fighting. Twenty six other dogs were identified from this case as being dangerous and their owners are facing charges. The uncle who owned the dog is facing a jail term.

Rochester...please...look at what humans do to humans. However, you need to realise that not all humans are bad as not all dogs are bad. The sad thing is...humans are smarter than dogs and are capable of morals yet they STILL do horrible things. Really, let it go.

Girl killed by pit bull terrier

Ellie Lawrenson

Ellie was found bleeding to death in the living room

A five-year-old girl has been killed and her grandmother seriously injured by a pit bull terrier at their family home on Merseyside.

Ellie Lawrenson was found bleeding to death in the living room of the house in St Helens shortly before 0430 GMT.

Her grandmother, Jackie Simpson, 46, who is recovering in hospital, managed to lock the dog outside.

The owner, believed to be Ellie's uncle, had been warned in June about the dog's behaviour.

The pit bull terrier was destroyed by police immediately after the attack at the property in Knowles House Avenue, Eccleston.

Ms Simpson, who shared the home with Ellie's aunt and uncle, was bitten on her arms and legs.

Serious injuries

Her injuries are described as "serious but not life threatening". Police said she may have to undergo surgery at Whiston Hospital where she is being treated.

Ellie was just the loveliest girl you could hope to meet

Jackie Simpson's fiance

Dog control laws and pit bulls

Superintendent Jon Ward, operational manager for the St Helens region, said: "This is such a tragic incident.

"We attended the scene, by which stage the dog had been shut away down the side entrance of the house.

"When officers arrived it became apparent from a very early stage that the girl had tragically died as a result of the attack.

"The ambulance service did what it could for her but unfortunately she died at the scene."

Police dog handlers who arrived minutes later, decided the dog, called Reuben, had to be shot as soon as possible.

Scene of the fatal attack in Knowles House Avenue

Police are investigating whether fireworks frightened the dog

Mr Ward added: "They made a decision as to whether it was safe to control the dog and seize and safely remove it.

"The assessment was that that couldn't be done safely so the dog was humanely destroyed at the scene around 5.40am this morning."

Detectives understand Ellie's parents were not in the house at the time of the attack.

Police believe Ellie's parents went out to celebrate New Year's Eve, leaving Ellie with her grandmother, and when they returned Ellie asked to stay there.

They are then thought to have left the property at about 0340 GMT, shortly before the attack.

'Tragic incident'

According to police, Ellie's uncle was not at home when the attack happened.

However, Mr Ward said Ellie regularly stayed at her grandmother's house so police believe she knew the dog well.

A large part of Knowles House Avenue was cordoned off with police tape on Monday afternoon as forensic officers continued to examine the end-of-terrace house where Ellie was mauled.

DANGEROUS DOGS ACT 1991

Drafted at speed after string of dog attacks, and much-criticised

Bans breeding and sale/exchange of pit bull terrier, Japanese tosa, Dogo Argentino, and Fila Brasileiro

Also bans all dogs "appearing... to be bred for fighting or to have the characteristics of a type bred for that purpose"

Also covers any dog "dangerously out of control"

But this applies only to public property, or private property where the dog is not permitted

Out-of-control dogs can be seized and destroyed, and the owners faces a fine or up to six months in prison. If the dog injures someone, that can be up to two years.

A white and yellow forensic tent was attached to the front door of the property which is believed to be owned by Ellie's great-grandmother.

A police spokeswoman said Ellie's body was removed from the house at about1400 GMT.

She confirmed that several members of Ellie's family had arrived at the property in the morning wanting to see her body.

"They were obviously distressed and distraught at not being able to see Ellie, but we couldn't let them in while the body was still in situ and while forensic science officers were still at the scene.

"There was some shouting, there are a lot of high emotions flying around," she said.

Dorothy Watkinson who lives near the family home told BBC News that Ellie was used to dealing with the dog.

"I've seen her at the gateway with it, stroking it. It never turned on her like that."

Supt Ward said: "This is such a tragic incident. When a child loses her life in such circumstances, it has an effect on the whole community."

He added that the safety of the public and police officers was paramount and in such circumstances "we were left with no other option but to have the animal destroyed quickly and humanely."

He added said police would be looking into whether any offence had been committed under the Dangerous Dogs Act.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/6222319.stm

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

I had an offer from Sid Green (Morecambe and Wise writer) to expand on a lot of things that happened in both Kuwait and Qatar but have never got around to it.

Maybe one day

Dweller...I love reading your stories! I like hearing about what Qatar was like "back in the day".

You wouldn't have felt sorry for the rtas in the 80's. They climbed walls (thats why smooth render only is used on new properties). Every time the car headlight went on at night you picked up 6 or 7 rats in the beam. The worst place was where the KFC is now on Al-Saad.

The government brought in a specialist (Danish I think) who introduced a poison that killed the rats but didn't harm doemestic animals or humans (something about them not having the K factor as there were few drains).

To prove that it didn't hurt humans he ate a fist full on TV and came to no harm.

We had a rat problem at the villa. They came under tha gate, under the water tank and down a rathole in the garden. Suddenly they disappeared. We thought our cats had got rid of them but they hadn't. We found later that we had a cobra living under the water tank. The eggs were in some soil that came in from Pakistan and hatched out in the heat.

What is it with the Middle East and the opposition to dogs?? Sulukis are so popular and are treated very well by the bedouins. From what I know, this has been going on for a LONNGGGG time. So, why is it that the culture here is to hate dogs? I know this doesn't mean that everyone here hates them but I've heard various reasons why they don't like them.

Xena...well said! My husband would say the exact same thing. The bomb dogs are so smart and have been treated so well. I know that if their handlers life was threatened though, they would gladly give theirs for their handlers. We have a mastiff/great dane mix in the states. He is huge but a big baby. He is great with children as most mastiffs are. If someone threatened my family, he would be on it.

I do feel bad for the poor rats! I think poison is a terrible way to "deal" with any animal.

Mulie- they are doing something about it. The government has a trap, neuter and release program. The cats that are diseased, they put to sleep. The others are fixed and then released back to the area that they were caught.

Bajesus- I used to enjoy the things that you had to say on these boards. You seem different now. Everything ok?

Rochester,

I agree with the arab aversion to having dogs in the home but dogs have been in the region certainly all the time I have been here and in sufficient numbers as to make it not an event to see one.

Interesting nobody has been defending poor old rat rights!

Rat poison is just as nasty to rats as to the cats that eat them.

Poor little rats!

Maybe if you read some books on raising and training dogs, you would understand that dogs, like human have tendancies to react when shouted at.... why? Because when you shout, your heart race increases, which puts you into "fight mode"... a dog will sense this and react as it feels a threat....

Secondly, normally with shouting, comes negative actions and sometimes arm movements, which a dog will associate with prey... and as prey drive is what comes naturally to an animal, of course he is going to see it as something to grab.... with grabbing will come panic from the party concerned, which leaves to more flaying around of the arm/leg, and in turn heightened aggression in the dog due to the prey movement.....

Normal tone and movement, will not cause a dog to take action as he has had no reason to get excited by your hysteria.

This is what I will never understand about most people... They will have the animal, but never learn what causes reactions they find deplorable....

My ex-husband and I had a dog training business in South Africa, which he continues to run successfully.... He specialises in animal behaviour and one thing we discovered in our years of working with animals, is that dogs, like children take on personalities that they are taught in the home, ie, if they are abused, they will be abusive... maybe not in the way we would understand, but how are they able to retaliate? With their teeth.....

Raise a pet with respect and as much authority as you would give your child and he will love you and devote his life to you..... He would also die for you if the need arose....

X

Dweller, I have lived all over the gulf at one time or another, and i say that if you see a dog, its an event! Look, a dog! a turn up for the books!

Now in Sydney, which I also know quite well, it is difficult to get away from the pervasive smell of dogcrap in the grass verges, and parks are no-go areas for children due to people using them as dog toilets.

I don't know how London is nowadays but you had to watch your step on the pavements over there. Nothing worse than stepping in a dogpile! You could never say that of any pavement in the Gulf...the Arab aversion to dogs on hygienic grounds is well known, and I wholeheartedly agree with them.

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

Don't worry Bajesus, If it is my dog and If I see you acting funny and looking me all crazy. My dog will attack you in command and tear your butt to pieces and bring you to submission. Then I will take your gun and put you out of your misery. I'm a pretty good trainer and handler. My dog is trained to attack on command.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery

None but ourselves can free our minds..

Saturday January 6, 2007

The Guardian

" Samantha Frost sleeps with her pit bull terrier Rex. She is eight years old and the five-month-old pup has already bitten her once. The little girl raises the heel of her hand to show the small scar that marks the day when the dog was a "bit giggly" and attacked her. She had shouted at him to get down off the sofa and he had responded with his incisors. Luckily, he let go - pit bulls usually lock on to their victims and try to rip, a trait that has led them to be labelled "devil dogs".

Ellie Lawrenson was killed by a pit bull, and hers is not the only family with an illegal dog. Audrey Gillan and Eric Allison ask how animals bred to fight have become fashionable pets

Samantha and Rex have become inseparable since he moved into her terraced home in Salford. This week, Samantha's mother, Claire, 24, became all too aware of how Rex could be a time-bomb waiting to go off, after five-year-old Ellie Lawrenson was savaged to death on New Year's Day by her uncle's "pit bull-type" dog. Ellie had been staying with her grandmother, Jackie Simpson, when she was attacked at 4.30am. The dog, Reuben, which also hospitalised Simpson, was shot by police officers.

The RSPCA says Claire should seriously consider having Rex put down. Martin Marsh, the charity's chief inspector for the Merseyside region, said: "We could not, in all conscience, rehouse a known biter. Anybody who has a dog that's bitten a child should not leave the child alone with the dog. I would say it's bordering on criminal letting that child sleep with the dog. You may as well leave that child with a loaded shotgun. It's a no-win situation. The only way forward there is that the mother should be seriously considering whether the poor sod should be euthanased."

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

"I would allow my dog near my children if I had any... in fact he is very lovable and is well-trained enough"

The dogs are very clever that they won't harm any kids or child even if he put his finger in the dog's eyes .. the dog understand very well that he is a child so he wouldn't harm ur kids..

I love the way that western care,respect and love their pets ..

it's a kind of humanity...

"It's better to keep silent and have people doubts that you are idiot than to speak and remove all the doubts"

I would allow my dog near my children if I had any... infact he is very lovable and is well-trained enough to sense when a threat is near.....

And bejesus, best you think of shooting yourself before the owner.....

My dog is my child.... you wouldn't be able to move fast enough if you harmed him.....

X

Quote from Rochester

"I am saddened to see this corrupt bourgeois habit of keeping dogs and cats in the house spreading to Arab countries which have been blissfully free from them".

Rochester, where did you ever get the information that "arab countries have been free free from them" in relation to cats and dogs?

Methinks you have much to learn about the region

Moonbeam the majority of serial killers grew up torturing and killing animals, not hating them. No statistics say that petty criminals grew up hating animals, most petty criminals I know have dogs.

If a dog ever comes near me I'll shoot the dog, the dog owner and then myself!

Poisoning cats, i guess people lack ethics.

Even in a so called islamic country, where technically its a sin to in humane to an animal. The opt for a slowly painful method of killing these poor animals

" did you you know that the majority of serial killers and just plain old petty criminals also grew up hating animals..."

No, Moonbeam, I didn't know that! where did you get your information? let's have the link and I shall apologise for offending all the dog-lovers on the board.

And I wouldn't say " my dogs would definitely sense his fear and probably enjoy ripping his lower organs off" out loud in England, or your animal could be legally destroyed.

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

I must remember to make sure I never meet rochester; my dogs would definately sense his fear and probably enjoy ripping his lower organs off.

Rochester you talk of statistics.....did you you know that the majority of serial killers and just plain old petty criminals also grew up hating animals......

makes one think huh?

For one thing, you scare me far more than a dog ever has or ever will. I wouldn't put a child near you.

As much as I disagree with the use of rat poison, something has to be done with the excess of wild cats here. Many of these poor animals carry diseases and the males are very large and very aggressive. I can't let my cat outside without her getting attacked by a big male. :(

Xena, I'm sure your hund is well trained , and that you are also well trained to pick up its excrement from public places, in which case you are among the minority of responsible dog owners. But are you sure that your animal's natural aggression is completely under control? would you leave a child alone with your dog?

the British Guardian newspaper reports : The Office of National Statistics records the number of deaths caused by dangerous dogs as an average of 2.3 a year from 1999 to 2005. More than 3,000 people are recorded injured by dogs each year but many more incidents go unreported. In 2005, three people were convicted of breeding a fighting dog or from a fighting dog while just over 400 were found guilty of allowing a dog "to be dangerously out of control in a public place injuring a person". This can be any dog, not just the four that are illegal.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1983843,00.html

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

although I feel very safe in Qatar, I have it on good authority, that crime is on the rise here..... its just swept under the carpet like everything else....

One of these days, security companies are going to need to utilise dogs to assist in patrolling and criminal apprehension....

X

I don't think something like that would happen here. SA maybe?

a criminal that might be running away with your wallet or your wife's handbag Mr Rochester, I won't expect a thank you from you......

Just thank GOD that he made a creature so fearless that he was prepared to faced an armed man to protect your belongs......

thanks, you have made my day with the news that all those wretched moggies are getting the snip!

I hope you aren't going to inhale that thing? people who smoke cigarettes should be all put in a room together so they can fumigate themselves!

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

Sorry to cut into this thread, but Sabbiabella, I need to get in contact with you regarding an animal. A friend on the site told me to get a hold of you. Could you please e-mail me on [email protected] as soon as you can????

Many thanks! :)

Oh and for the cat that crapped on your car...well done kitty!!! Animals can sense hatred, can't they?

Mr. Rochester...seriously...do you have panic attacks often? Cats clean themselves. There are humans that don't even do that. There are certain animals that I don't like much but I certainly don't HATE them. There are far worse things in the world than animals.

From what I know...cat's were brought here to take care of a large rat problem. The people that brought them here did not have the knowledge to sterilize the cats. Now, they are everywhere. I agree that it can be bothersome with them everywhere but it has to be dealt with. They are here and need to be taken care of. That doesn't mean harming them. The Dept of Animal Resources has started to do just that. They trap, neuter and release the cats. This is one way to "clean" them up as the males cannot spray anymore.

Mr. Rochester...you are too hateful for my taste.

...on the cat that crapped on my car recently!

My attitude towards animals is like most people's: I eat them without considering whether they suffered while being reared for my consumption, and so long as your Rottweiller isn't going to eat my children, you are welcome to keep it chained up in your yard. Actually you aren't, as it is probably going to bark all night, but let's not get into that.

"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."

Stevie Wonder.

It is well known that westerners care more about their pets than about other people. Lord man get a grip!

You said shouting Jesua Christ may be offensive to a lot of people. Did you stop to consider that your attitude towards animals may be offensive to a lot of people????

Oh and by the way, I've been living overseas for many years and there has always been cats around!

I didn't suggest killing cats or eating them, just keep them away from our human habitations! Don't you realise how many parasites these animals carry and how unhealthy it is to keep them in the house? the same goes for birds and hamsters.

It is well known that westerners care more about their pets than about other people, and spend billions feeding them. Millions of horses, which are truly and historically Man's Best Friend, are killed to feed these good-for nothing little parasites.

I am saddened to see this corrupt bourgeois habit of keeping dogs and cats in the house spreading to Arab countries which have been blissfully free from them.

And you should be aware that shouting "Jesus Christ!!!!" in a title may be offensive to a lot of people. Be sensitive and cultivate consciousness!

Mr.Rochester

Your breathing was probably blocked from your hysteria. And if you care so much about Jesus start loving his critters and learn living with them in peace. The world hasn't been created for you only. What a hypocrisy of pretend the good Christian and at the same time giving excuses to the people that are poisoning animals.

They are devious little critters that deceive you they are charming and harmless. In fact they fill the air with hair and spores which will give your kids asthma. A CAT ALMOST KILLED ME by blocking my breathing.

As for being 'clean', they cunningly bury their excrement just under the surface of the soil, just waiting for someone, maybe you or your unsuspecting children, to step in their virulent poo.

As for dogs, Don't even get me started on the subject!

Do us all a favour and keep these wild animals out of our public spaces. And, Suzanna, kindly do not take Jesus' name in vain. He is a healer.

Mr. Rochester

Jesus Christ!!!!!!! I know how you feel. I also feel very angry with the people that are poison animals. And cats are cleen animals i realy dont understand how a cat can harm somebody. These people are not human beings are much worse that animals.

By the sounds of it the Cat's and the rat poison are the least of your worries. What kind of a place am I moving too? I thought everything was suppose to be all new and shinny, but what you have decribed sounds more like cottage county. Besides, a lot of countries and many differn't people don't care about animals the way that some western countries do. In Canada it cost as much for my dog to groomed as it does for me to get a hair cut, and we go as often, that way when she is looking rough I know it is time to do something about my hair. I sent my friend his dog to him in Greece only for someone to poison it. My friend was devistated. I suspect they don't have the same care for animals there as we do here. You don't see many strays in Canada, cats or Dogs. I still haven't decided whether to bring my dog there or not!