Disgraceful Behaviour witnessed

I respect your views 100% however would like to mention that I did not mention the nationality of the children involved...

I have been away so just had the chance to read all of this....

Thanks all of you...

Nice to read all the responses... I did actually report this after I posted here to the police giving the details.

I followed up a couple of days later and got a positive response...

PS - was not actually whining!!! I just wanted feed back from the rest of you!!!

Thanks

Kellie

Weird enough, in some parts of the world, the richer you become, the more considerate towards others... in others, wealth is as nqatar put it, a lousy excuse to insult others....

Because of this behaviour only they get punished when they go overseas. These people think they are the lords of this world because they have money. Someday they will learn a big lesson.

Schools here can set-up parents/teachers monthly or quarterly meetings by that teachers can update parents about their child behaviour, improvement & class standing. Maybe communications is all they need.

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Alexa and Nadt... I've had this discussion with fellow colleagues last week, while conducting a training about teaching Character Education. Some teachers were ready to give up, others already did, but a significant number were ready to keep going, fighting for a better word does start in class... those parents were students once... now I do know that parents play an important, vital role in kids manners, but it actually can work the other way around... two years ago, my 6 years old daughter lectured my about her rights for a clean/healthy environment, and asked me to refrain from smoking in her presence... she changed my habits, so those kids might end up teaching their parents...

It's tough, might not work, .... yep, but what' the other option?

lol Alexa, i can imagine that...at least your son has you teaching him right from wrong, so all is not lost.

Well Alexa your last paragraph pretty much sums it up, i agree with that...Joint effort is needed..

As a parent, and a teacher- if this was one of mine, they'd get a hiding. It's despicable- but yes, unfortunately, it's learned behaviour.

Manners in this country leave a lot to be desired - let alone consideration or civility. You only have to 'queue' in Carrefore to witness that!

Of course these incidents are the exception rather than the rule- or are they?? There is an arrogance and a superiority complex from both expats and the 'Locals'..it's like a power struggle. The Locals have no idea how to practice what they preach either.

For example- it is one life's little luxuries in the UK that drivers dip their lights in the dark. It has always given me a warm fuzzy feeling that people are looking out for each other- like flashing lights at another driver if there is a fuzz and/or hazard ahead.

Here, no bugger else is going to do it, so you begin to match like for like. An eye for an eye? It seems the Gov't here doesn't really know what message it's trying to give. They seem to allow the Qataris to behave however they want and yet they want to be welcoming (ha) to Westerners?

Don't want to compare to the UAE but I know it was a whole lot more mellow and civil than here. I'm talking 10 years ago though so maybe it's just me getting old.

Pixi, we are not talking about just transmitting knowledge, educators do teach values, discipline etc, but they are not responsible for the kids behaviours, kids are also influenced by their home environment, this is why i believe, educators and parents have to work alongside together to teach these values,its a joint effort, especially in the early stages. Anyway we can just agree to disagree..

Parents or Schools? That is the question... It's actually, throughout ages, the school that really makes the change in the way masses think and behave. And I was not talking about discipline, I was talking about Character education program, where students are taught about ethics and values, .. plus a school wide positive reinforcement policy. Otherwise, picture this: parents won't change a thing, so these children will keep acting this way, ... they'll grow up and become parents themselves... same thing...

Schools integrated character education have been implemented in most developped nations, and in many developping ones, under different names, ... but they work... not in all children, but in a significant number.

And I, as an educator, believe that if tranmitting knowledge is my only focus, then my job is not really meaningful... when I teach, I'm teaching them content, which is knolwedge, but also values, which is how to use the knowledge.

home is the place where kids learn the most, especially ethics schools alone can't do much. it's parents who suppose to shoulder the responsibility.

True, schools here worry about number of students more than quality teaching, but even if the numbers werent high, i still dont think teachers are responsible for childrens behaviours. They can attmept to rectify and teach approrpiate behaviour, but if the parents are doing the opposite, then your fighting a losing battle.

Very true Alexa. Furthermore when teachers attepmt to discipline the kids, they usually complain to their parents about being "picked on" and how they did nothing , hence you have parents coming in and complaining to the teachers. Its not a teachers job, its the parents.

pixi, school disciplining children is not the solution. Teachers are their to teach students, not raise them. Sure they will use appropriate discipline in some areas pertaining to school issues . In addition, even if it was, kids go home to "their parents". If they are not being taught basic manners at home, then school is gonna have a hell of a time teaching these things. I do believe that teachers and parents can work alongside each other, but to put the responsibility on the parents is very naive and unrealistic.

I believe that parents might be at fault instilling those values that make human beings really human. But, for any society to move forward, it needs radical changes in its educational system, whereby today's kids, ie tomorrow's parents, learn and get educated and implement the change needed.

In other words, I don't find it really useful to determine whether the parents are the guilty ones or not, the solution in my opinion rests at school, where kids spend more than half of their day... they'll have 2 learn about respect and tolerance, integrity and citizenship...

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I think It will be a good idea if you pass the bus No to the local English and Arabic Newspapers. So they may publish the issue and it will have some impact.

Thanks for you concern.

i also think that changes should start with the parents...

“Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow.”

a lack of manners? I don't think it's a lack of education. Even some natives in a jungle sometimes understand what 'respect' means! How about an ant? Have you noticed the ants when they're marching? They are in one line, never see another ant fighting to get ahead. Even stopping when seeing another ant crossing his way. Do ants have brains??I wonder.

Education is the basic issue.. They should be forced to study till certain level.. things will change.

Let the primary be run by some military schools..lol

Yes, not all locals do this. Not all..

When I was on my way to somewhere, 2 Qatari boys.. I suppose they were Qatari, red tops and white thobes--feel free to disagree.. asked the driver to stop the car (not knowing what is happening) and then they just laughed at the driver probably thinking, "What an ass!"

Ahh.. well, not all Qataris are like that. Not all.. it's a shame lots of people have more than enough of bad experiences with them. What's the population of Qataris again as opposed to the number of Expats here?

Again.. I repeat not all.

I don't blame the poster if she will not report this to the police. I have friends who got into trouble with a few locals (it was the local's fault, the police confirmed) but then the next day, the cops said it was my friend's fault. Geez, I wonder what made them change their decision?

I was explaining to my students about saturday jobs today... that we often take in the west and that we often work part time whilst at uni....

they were laughing (in a nice way) when i told them i was a tealady at a hospital....

and then they wanted to hear more....

some of them just dont have the opportunity to 'get real' as we did...

But ofcourse I dont mean that the plan of action is to cut them off. Moderation is the key here ur pepperness :)

War...War never changes...

Sandman77 -- So money is the root of all evil!!!

“Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow.”

In my country every once in a while (actually more than once) you'll come across a kid who's parents are extremly living and responsible, but try as they may, they just can't control their kid(s), so they turn out to be the devil reincarnated so to speak. Now then, this happens but not to the extent where we have to LOOK for a well mannered kid these days. The problem with life in the GCC is kids take everything for granted. Why? Because they can. In the GCC kids never need to experience wanting somthing but not getting it, ofcourse maybe this happens but only rarely, thus, they never know anything about responsibility, parents these days forget that there is a difference between 'having' kids and 'raising' them. Giving pocket money and buying them clothes and food is not enough. When I crashed my dad's car (I was 16) I went and worked at a local mechanic to pay off the 2000 saudi riyals needed to repair it, because I felt it was my fault, my father never made me do it. I'm no angel, but my point is parents (not all) are giving their children love, but are they giving their children a lesson in manners?

War...War never changes...

if their own parents cant control them, who else can?

How about their schools here? Teachers should act as their 2nd parents right? In the Philippines, Good Manners and Right Conduct (GMRC) is also part of school curriculum but i dont know here...

“Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow.”

Yes we know this happens everywhere, from upperclass society to the lower slums of any city, but the point is we shouldn't come to the point where its suddenly accepted as a social norm. Just because it happens everywhere doesnt make it right. Otherwise I might as well start a petition requesting everyone start stealing cars to the extent where it becomes normal and no one will do anything to object. We can't turn a blind eye to this sort of behaviour otherwise we become no better than the irrisponsible parents who brought them up in such a way.

War...War never changes...

As Amnesia said, this happens everywhere, years ago in Australia i remember youth found it funny throwing eggs at passing cars and eldery people.

not just spitting but throwing crumpled papers at people!And the bus driver just ignored it. what to do yani?

In a utopian world, what should really be done is that each and every parent of the kid who spat should be flogged infront of a crowd. To such ill mannered snobish kids, their bus driver is at the same level as the workers they were spitting on, and regretfully the driver knows it. You know what will happen to him if he merely scolds any of them? He'll be back in his home country before next sunrise. I've been in the GCC since '87 so I know alot about the way most kids are bought up here, again I say MOST because there are some very well mannered ones around, but only a few. No one would disagree with you that such behaviour in ANY society is appalling, and if someone with a TV camera was to ask those kids, they would give the same answer too. Sorry you had to witness that, but beleive me, I once tried to change a similar situation and I was made a freakin fool out of.

You're right Xray. But then again, its a case to case basis. Even without mentioning, what you said is already happening to others prevalently (with or without my advice).

Probably it was best if she just pulled over a bit and shouted at the kids. They are just kids anyway. (But she might be the one the kids will spit at if she do that :) )

The police /authorities will simply laugh at you if you report this.

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but keep in mind kakashi28, if u r allowing this kind of behaviour, tomorrow something happened to you, then same will also apply to you ...

my advice....."you see nothing, you hear nothing"

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Amazing.... these kids are the future of Qatar!

“Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow.”

i heard somebody says "This is their country & they can do anything they want!"

“Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow.”

It is indeed the parents fault. In my family nobody would even think about doing such a thing.

I know it's so VERY hard to believe, but you can find Nice Qataris and A-hole Qataris. Just like you can everywhere else.

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abohmaid, mj is here.....

hmm, spoiled, stuck-up kids....nothing surprises me here anymore....

hmm...really very sad...

well said smartbuddy. Well i bet you she won't complain. Even if she have the bus registeration number. In her mindset, police will do nothing. And even others confirm that to her.

I find it hard to understand why the topic poster does not approach the police? Just posting here and whining about the situation will not do any justice. Go and complain to the police with the number plate, time and place of incident.

Blindly assuming what the topic poster posted is also unethical.

The children who he is "reportedly" talking about maybe were just 2-3 kids in the entire bus, the bus maybe of some other community school also. Entire blame goes on the locals without investigation or verification. Its the same trend followed like any blast happens anywhere in the world the media is quick to blame the Muslims without even starting the investigation.

Make a complain to the Police if indeed u are truthful and if u really respect the labourers instead of blindly laying allegations against the locals.

you should logged a written complain to police and mark a copy to Supreme Council of Education (as genesis mentioned) and to the Media such as Gulftimes/Qatar Tribune/Peninsula etc ...

I am sure your voice will be heard by these Authorities ...

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I can't comment for the girls... but from the guys perspective... the moment you give some back, its spectacular the way they back off and flee... no spine! weigh your options and measure the odds first though...

Agree with you Hashin, if the police arent aware of these incidents, then no change will happen, and these incidents will increase, at least make them aware.

Lots of people expressing angst about kids acting like brats and there seems to be a general consensus that the police don't care. I do agree the kids are spoilt. I think its getting worse with each passing generation. But I tend to disagree with the police not caring about social complains such as these. I have been to the police here and found them to be very humane and helpful on all three occassions that I had to deal with them. If you give them the bus no., I am sure they can dig out which school and I am sure they will do something about it... a phone call at the very least.

Those kids, regardless of where they come from and how their parents behave, would benefit a lot from character education lessons, where tolerance, respect of self and others, citizenship and many other values will be instilled to children at early stages of character development. Unfortunatly, many schools favor prestigious curriculum, high achievement, A scores in all disciplines.. but forget that money and grades do not make human beings... it's the values we have to transmit to future generations that will make a difference... till then, we'll still see kids and adults spitting, harassing, fighting...

looks like one of the kids not raised well at home started the fun and others joined in

really horrible.

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We feel sad when some one does anything to the public. We are all expats in this country. We cant do anything. Even if we go and complain to the police we will be the one who will be in trouble. Asking questions over questions. They will insult us in any way. The best way is that lets pray that these guys who does bad things let god give them the mental ability to do good things and let them repent what they have done.

salax karwa bus was not mentioned in the post, its probably one of those buses that transport labourers, rickety and without AC...no wonder the windows are always left open...

"all boys in football strips .... to spit at a Labourers"

guys it is obvious no body will give a damn. How many Labourer got a citizenship here even though they give their heart to this country working over 12 hours a day.!? However, if you are a skilled footbal player the door of heaven opens for you. Just go and take a look at Aspire. They have kids ageed 7-15 from all over the world spoiled like rats. Sad, isn't it???

Live with it and just feel sorry for the poor labourers.

unfortunately pigs only raise piglets.

ummmm, no. if they are qatari boys forget it nothing will happen to them. you must be new? :)

And these are the same labours who arent allowed to bring their wives here, arent given proper accommodation and get beaten by whips on their only off days after working under the sun in 48 degree heat.

Welcome to Qatar, country which has a ton of $$$ but cant buy love and understanding.

i agree with u alexa...values can be taught whether rich or poor. sad to say these kids were never thought respect and humility...

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الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

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أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

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smartbuddy said Parents are busy spending ...

Parents are busy spending money which they got without working hard for it.

its a sorry state this country is getting into...

too much money spoils the family and minds of a lot of people. they forget that we all have to die and go back to dust leaving everything except our good deeds."

Must agree with smartbuddy

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الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

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How can parents teach their kids respect, if they themselves dont respect others. Kids are a reflection of their parents.

I agree with you!It´s parents fault.

charming...

kids in white thobe spit on my car while in the trafic signal and parents just laughing! Maybe it was a greetings.

"Fascinated with Supercars but can’t afford it yet, so I settle down for a humble Jeepney. Proud Noypi!"

Parents are busy spending money which they got without working hard for it.

its a sorry state this country is getting into...

too much money spoils the family and minds of a lot of people. they forget that we all have to die and go back to dust leaving everything except our good deeds.

Kids are left with the nannies who cannot bring them up properly, so TRUE. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS?

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but no - one gives a damm

one of the brats could have killed a guy and no-one would care here.

they are like this because the maids bring them up ,not the parents,they are not taught to play just be rude and disrespectful, I BLAME THE PARENTS

Arrogant brats are everywhere...but..here they do it even in front of their parents and parents don’t care.

Serlena Wardman

South Africa

Durban

Saw a bunch of kids throws stones at some labourers, I got a big mouth and shouted, they just gave me a filthy look. Pisses me off till no end. Parents were there hovering at the back they couldnt be bothered.

Serlena Wardman

South Africa

Durban

First training starts at home.. definately these children here have no manners at all and especially towards some nationality. I even say some of them punching their maids.

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right. very disgraceful and disgusting at the same time. but anyway, it happens everywhere. right?

I believe that if a parent is brought up with good values and manners they will bring up their kids the same way.

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I really doubt about their upbringing..what they learn from home execute in the street...

its fault of their parents too who do not teach manner to their kids.

i completely agree with eco-savvy, curse to all those moms and also their father's who cannot teach humanity to their kids.

their moms are busy in parlours, some are busy drinking in bars, lil devils are under untrained nannies so what do u expect?

I have seen teenagers in Mumbai streets stuffing paper

( theatre tickets)in the mouth of sleeping ppl, they do not have shelter so they are forced to rest on pavements)

cursed are all moms who give birth to these devils

M SURE i DID NOT SPIT ON ANYONE ....:(

sorry

i think before puting the case to " police " let try to put to their respective school...

i think before puting the case to school let try to put to their respective school...

complain to police with the incident place, time and plate no, they take action or they don't leave it to them atleast u do ur job, posting in here will not make any changes or teach the kids some learning lesson, whatever nationality the kids were off should spent sometime behind jail so that they get the fear of abiding by the law and respecting people no matter what grade they are.

some lessons are learnt the hard way.

the worst part is that even parents support these pranksters......even if they are sitting in the car,they couldn't possibly care less about what their kids are doing.but if we retaliate and yell at the kids or somehting,these parents come flying to wring our necks!

Keep smiling!

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i remember one time when we were driving behind a school (yellow) bus full of young boys. Someone threw an egg to our winndshield that startled our driver. Good thing our vehicle (pathfinder) is running on low speed and was able to stop before any accident might happen...

Spitting incident happened to me too, good thing I wasn't smoking that time (windows open)or else it would have landed on my cheek...eeewwww

they were "kings" and all that surrounds them are their "slaves".

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

where is mj today

coz this will grow up with them

Why all the young ones grow spoil brats out here???..I always wonder!!!

if you approach to their trainer or teacher may be they counsel them...

normal in the gulf-spit back,that's the only way to stop them.(as per experienced in saudi arabia)

will be the defender of Banning all Bachelors in All Malls in All Days, right Mr. Smartguy, or are you?

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

No it was not a Karwa Bus... I have been here for 5 years and this is the first time I have witnessed something like this... and yes I know the police will do nothing.. seems kids are getting away with lots these days...

really sad.....

You can't teach experience...

This is really something disgusting... worst thing is, its from children... what can we expect tomorrow from them... ??

If it's a school bus, you can complain to the Supreme Council of Education. Was it a karwa bus?

I don't think anyone will give a damn frankly.

Sad and despicable behaviour.

I doubt the police would do anything. If you can determine which club / school they were from, then perhaps you can contact the establishment and voice your concern regarding such behaviour..

This is not a starange thing here. get used to it :(

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