Do you like Halal meat or non Halal meat?

You are contradicting yourself a lot

actually you are reminding me in a previous Id has been banned before with his anger and rage and double standards

from a quick review to your comments we can see that you are not here for debating, you only have this western hidden anger towards everything arabic or muslim. which is weird!!!

ISLAM-PHOBIA

regarding this topic, i didn't want to comment in it because as muslims we have no choice but to eat halal,as one of the above commented

Good to know that you can go to weikipedia and search for the word because you mentioned before that "haram is good " from this we can see that you are just have problem with the islamic teachings"EVEN IF IT IS NOT RELATED TO YOU"

- you are talking about freedom in choice which i agree ,but to be honest i am getting afraid everytime i heard nice from you people, we heard about democracy we saw dead bodies , now we are hearing about freedom of choice then tell be why

"Quick " restaurant has been punished because they were providing halal food in france "yes ...

if 75% of the popularity have no problem in eating halal food, why it is racism now??????

let me ask this question in different way,

what if this restaurant said that it will provide only pork ,or not halal food

You guys see what I mean by Straight Arrow starting with a naive and innocent approach and ending up in Islamisms!

This guy, got so annoying with this approach that he had to change his nickname. Previously he was "Khalid the Tiger".

After so many bad reactions to his attempts of indoctrination, he was forced to change his nickname... but he continues...

I will just ignore him in this post and will see him in his next brilliant intervention.

:)

when he denied the influence of Islam on science growth in Europe and the world

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe were numerous, affecting such varied areas as art, architecture, medicine, agriculture, music, language, education, law, and technology. From the 11th to the 13th century, Europe absorbed knowledge from the Islamic civilization. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic. In the early 20th century the musicologist Henry George Farmer wrote that a "growing number of scholars...recognize(d) that the influence of the Muslim civilization as a whole on medieval Europe was enormous in such fields as science, philosophy, theology, literature, aesthetics, than has been recognized."[2] For some historians the contributions from the Islamic world have had a considerable effect on the development of Western civilization and contributed to the achievements of the Renaissance

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

also in the link you will see the impact of Islam on:

Alchemy and chemistry, Astronomy and mathematics, Physics

There also more interesting information in the link

Also for information you can see these links

http://www.ais.org/~bsb/Herald/Previous/95/science.html

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/islam19.html

Stone Cold,

You got it right!

That is why I came across by Muslims, as overreacting.

I was not, I was just challenging the author (unprepared for the debate as usual).

I've noticed here among certain cultures, when the topic is taboo for them, it’s attempted to be closed by either attacks on the participant who express a different opinion or classified as bashing something. When it could be easily won, by simply showing honesty and declaring that "we follow this because it’s our religion requirement and we respect others who choose not too!"

;)

We can not tell a non Muslim to eat Halal or Non Halal, it is up to him/her.

Nic always think when we discuss thing that we are forcing others.

Here is my conclusion about Nic:

Nic has an idea or approach and if some one comes with another approach then this person with the different idea is a backword person according to Nic.

I still remember in one of the posts when Nic supported the idea the Islam and Muslims did not have any impact on the growth of science in the world and Europe.

Nic please see the whole picture and take it easy man.

Thats right Nic. The idea behind this question is to challange non muslim people to make believe and to propogate that this halal kind of things should be imposed for all humanity. Simple as that.

AWKHAN,

You said it all!

The question is stupid and if you know the author, you will notice that he always comes to the main forum with a naive and apparent innocent approach with a hidden agenda of selling his religious believes.

Wisedude,

LOL... don't worry about me, I was having a blast witnessing so much hopeless debating skills.

It is quite sad to observe so many people following blindly believes imposed on them by very early indoctrination.

Don't take me wrong, I know for a fact that there is nothing I could have said to change their minds and it was never my intention. I was just testing their ability to defend their believes and at the same time their debate skills.

Unprepared or maybe unskilled participants, unable to defend their views, jump in attacking the opponent. Typical in lousy politicians!

Check the above post to identify them ;)

Anyway, I was having fun, mapping a society with a common trait!

PS. I like both halal and haram ;)

Whyteknight,

I agree with you and I knew that before this debate.

Again, I was challenging the author to see if he could bring me some personal logic views. Didn’t happen but it was fun all along.

I did have a few points I wanted the author to understand (religious issues should not be brought up here, there is a religious forum for that purpose).

one_shot,

I know exactly what halal is. Just consult wikipedia if you are in any doubt.

I was just provoking debate to see if the ones who are forced to stick with it could give me a rational explanation such as the one given by AWKHAN. There is none, they just have to stick with it imposed by religion.

Another point that I wanted to highlight is that this is a RELIGIOUS issue, why post it on the main forum?

Muslim people should know that we, non-Muslims are indifferent to this issue and do not appreciate at all to be preached some times in naive ways, challenging any level of intelligence.

That's it ;)

Lol!!! sonaam,that video is really funny,hope u have more....Guys..chill out! dont take it personally will ya?

to err is HUMAN to forgive is DIVINE..

I did not read any answer because questian is stupid.very simple,,muslim have no choice between halal and haram. HALAL ONLY AND ONLY. it is not person's like or unlike.

awkhan

SO you guys are discussing about the best way to murder animals. Great. ;)

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

"Resident Attention Seeker"

Nic the way I see it, it's a big deal for the Muslims because of their religious beliefs so I don't mind them sticking to Halal as it doesn't bother anyone else.

"Live with passion, Die with style"

you are really have a big rage

go and have a walk at corniche. man!!!

see more people in reality, it could help

you are saying haram is good

this is silly

i think this thread is concerned by muslims only

BECAUSE

the word "halal"= allowed -arabic word

the word "haram"=forbidden -also arabic word

now regarding the meat :

not only pork is haram in islam

also anything could eat meat "lions-tigers-eagles.."

all the sea food is halal in islam

even lambs could be haram if it is not slaught

according the islamic teachings

1- sharp the knife very well

2- say the name of the God almighty,and not another person or creature

3- wait until all blood go out

folks correct me if i am wrong ;)

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

Thank you nic .....

PS Objective reasoning can be understood with an open mind only.

rehanbutt,

I praise your valuable and relevant contribution in defending your point of views about the topic!

PS. Objectivity can be undermined by subjective believes.

nic

really get out and about 75% ...... dont just shoot rainbow stats. to emphasize your confused ideas and understanding.

benefit No 121 (for being vegetarian):

You'll stay away from such furious discussions.

wolverine66,

haram is good ;)

Stone,

Not curious, rather stay vegetarian ;)

Nothing compares to it. Couldn't care less if it is halal or not. It is just yummy.

What is the point of having halal meat if it is prepared by an "unfaithful" cook? Will it make it haram?

Nic..try human meat just once in your life time to recall what the carnibal have done. Now you can label that halal.

one_shot,

If it boders you so much, just become vegetarian... and by the way even like that you are killing live beings, don’t you know?

It’s the law of survival, the food chain.

How did mankind kill animals 20 000 years ago?

They managed to survive back then and they are still surviving in good shape in the non-halal world.

So mate, why bother with what a sect believes when we have science to take care of us while we are here?

Chill and enjoy life and one more thing, make us a huge favor, never ever try to impose personal believes on others. You will never know who bad they might react.

;)

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

"Resident Attention Seeker"

- snip -

ok, if that is so....

will it make more nutritious(scientific) and holier and the meat to make a person more religious (sorry, can't really separate that aspect) such that muslims must adhere to the process of killing it?

they are humans who invented these machines

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

i will not say too much in this topic but i think picture is more affective than words

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thank God for our religion,who respect humans and animals

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

i think the way of killing :)

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

i am not talking here from a religious view of point

i only posted videos here, non-humantic videos of killing animals in restaurants u used to eat in them.

and science says that it is easier for animal to be slaughted like this.

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

this i am very confused?

what does "halal meat" differs from the rest anyway?

anybody care to enlighten?

because they say that hotdogs are made by donkeys meat.

I understood what Darude mean. Darude..

UkEngQatar,

LOL... there you go ;)

Straight Arrow,

Yes, I can tell you:

The example (numbers) you pointed when compared with the world population, is completely negligent, approaching the zero value ;)

Is eating dog Halal?

So why are they selling Hot Dogs here..:)

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one_shot,

This post is not about me or any other QLer.

It’s about Halal versus non Halal.

If you are unable to prove your point, avoid diverting the topic to the participants themselves.

In this case, all I am saying is that 75% of the world couldn't care less if it’s Halal or not!

And

The message under the link of the initial post contains information that goes against science of the XXI century.

That's all I am saying and accept as a fact, either you like it or not, either it goes against your political party's ideology or your personal philosophy or any other believe you may embrace.

75 % of the world just doesn’t care.

PS. I am around here way before you and yes because this is an international community, avoid religious topics and avoid convincing or imposing your believes on others. If you still insist to do so, go to the Religious Forum.

Thank you for listening

;)

Can you tell me?

Straight Arrow,

Debating messages is in not attacking messengers.

Those Australians and probably others found Halal meet tastier than non-halal, because they reached that conclusion.

Do you realize the scale of your example versus the world population?

Do you realize how accurate or even important this topic is for most of the inhabitants of this planet?

Just for you to reflect, with all my respect!

SA, many things that taste better are not always good you know :-)

"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."

take it easy man

all i see here that you got emotioned with some comments

most of us are using english as a second language

so take it easy

i think you are new here, so you must understand the variety of the multi communities here, and how they communicate

don't worry

be happy

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MU2M :(

I like French cofee,but it is simply Turkish with milk

LeBaNeSeMaN,

I bet you cannot distinguish assertiveness from personal attack and I bet you cannot distinguish a debate around a particular message from a debate about a messenger.

Here, my dear LeBaNeSeMaN, we are debating a message, not the messengers, in this case not me or Straight Arrow.

One only attacks messengers when they run out of rational arguments or have no ability to debate. Is that that you case my dear LeBaNeSeMaN?

;)

when you insult the message then you indirectly insult the messenger.

A question why some Austrailian and probably others who tried non Halal say Halal meat tests better?

Nic i bet you can not post a polite non insulting comment?

I repeat:

"The message goes against science, no matter how many links you find in the internet."

23 or 25 % of the world population is good.

If you take this 25 % perecent and see it with the world people who have different religion then this 25 % will be more and could reach around 41 % based on CNN report.

who said Pork ??? BLEASE, No Pok, No Pok,

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/10/07/muslim.world.population/index.html

KHATTAK,

If you go back and read carefully, you would realize that I was attributing those characteristics to the message itself and NOT to the messenger!

The message goes against science, no matter how many links you find in the internet.

Scientists are not trained in any religious school or even in Google!

Thus the reference to the "Non Sense & Ridiculous"!

It is easy to convince and impose when there is ignorance, not the universal case of QLers!

;)

Calling someone Non Sense & Ridiculous is JUST Sarcastic.... and not Rude? If that's the case then I need to learn mannerism from you, NIC.

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hope not to see a nasty comment, that the videos are from 25 % of the population :P

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Ok .. Ok.. I know, that piece of sandwiched meat that brings joys to the world.

Thanks for sharing.

Stone cold..Its Kosher mate.. which means it's nether Halal or haram..:)

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Can We Fix It?

Yes We Can!

Ramada qube don't sell halal meat

Straight Arrow,

I always try to be polite, maybe assertive and sometimes sarcastic (it’s needed to stimulate debate) but not rude.

Have you noticed that I am trying to debate with you and you continuously fail to substantiate your views with a personal and logical explanation?!

Now, what I just said is plain assertiveness, not an insult.

Can you see the difference?

Khattak,

Are you a defense lawyer, representing somebody?

Its annoying preachers of any sect for those who don’t embrace that sect's philosophy that is why you get the sarcastic (but not rude) tone!

Trust me, you would never notice the difference of halal or not halal meet.

Finally, as per QL's guidelines, any religious related topic should be kept away from the main forum. Halal is only relevant for some Muslims (less than 25% of the world's population) that is why I mentioned it!

I do not need him to be polite, if he wants to be polite then he wants to reflect good image about Canadian people, and if he wants to be rude then probably he is giving one side image of some Canadian people because I know that there are good Canadians.

Nic...you are not representing the 75% of the world. If you dont like the subject, no need to post here. Though, no one can stop you of posting but you can be a little polite.

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Straight Arrow,

Stop preaching nonsense and do us all, and specially yourself, a huge favor and go back to school.

do not attempt writing about things that you have no knowledge, you may be contaminating innocent people and that is haram big time ;)

The majority here seems to say Halal is better, in simple words the none Halal meat means that there are some bacteria in the none Halal meat which is not 100 % guarntee removed while cooking.

Study Summary/Recommendations

Although market efforts to supply certified Halal products throughout Canada has been sporadic,

this study suggests that there is potential for Alberta meat processors to supply the Muslim ethnic

market. Alberta meat processors are well positioned to meet the requirements of Muslim

communities and to becoming one of the leading suppliers of halal food products throughout the

Canada. However, in order to capitalize on this opportunity an exceptional understanding of

international Islamic religious and business protocols is essential.

Even though there are two distinct sectors within Islam, (Sunni and Shi`i), Muslim meat

consumption is based on the Quan’an, hadiths (traditions), various legal schools and cultural

distinctions. Successful market entry will depend on:

The Canadian Halal Meat Market

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• Adherence to the religious laws of Islam. It is essential to implement the principles of

halal slaughter. As the legitimacy of the label “halal” is fundamental, it is recommended

to work with a Muslim certifying body.

• Packaging, shipping and storage should be addressed. Halal products must be processed

in conditions that are free from contamination from haram (illegal) products such as

blood, blood-related products, pork or non-halal products.

• Marketing strategies aimed at the halal market will have to be transparent and encourage

trust and loyalty in their relationships and business practices.

• Establishing a supply chain relationship between Alberta meat processors and the

Canadian Muslim community could be beneficial to all parties.

Complete report is here in the link:

www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/...nsf/.../canadian_halal_meat_market_study.pdf

We should not even talk about Ham...its a dam subject

I prefer Kosher..

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Can We Fix It?

Yes We Can!

Straight Arrow,

As I said and you continue to ignore, 75% of the world couldn't care less about what you and your sect thinks.

PS. When copy-paste (as it seems is all you can do), try to copy text only otherwise be aware that images larger than 400 pixels, will distort your post).

i like Ham, no matter halal or non halal...

If it doesn't taste any different then eat halal meat and let those who are halal savvy enjoy meat too..

I agree,

I just arrived from Spain, what a treat those tapas bars!

Who cares it all tastes the same. And I agree with No Merci, pork is the best.

"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce

Rehanbutt and Straight Arrow,

If you knew how ridiculous you sound to 75% of the world, you would keep your convictions, a secret ;)

desire to eat some ppl, really some times i can't controll myself to eat a ......

PS: WK -- the blank portion is supposed to be a tie question of the quiz ;)

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A lot of lovemaking can unblock a stuffy nose! Dr. Choc

Sometimes I get the desire to eat some people :P

Anyway you know how much of a vegetarian I am after watching me eat Chicken and Mutton in Shezan ;-)

"Live with passion, Die with style"

WK....even that would be allowed somewhere in the thick forests of Africa...you never know :D

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I'd stick to the halal ones cause to be honest,they say the way it's being killed makes it healthy,or so I've been told.

Yes Khattak the point remains the same, why am I not allowed to cook some humans and eat them, they are living beings just like animals :P

"Live with passion, Die with style"

WhyteKnight.....the point remains the same. Plants & Animals, both are living things. Why should we kill plants then?

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I don't care if it's halal or not. But the meat I like most is pork. YUMMMMMMMM

What comes around, goes around....

All excuses..

There are plenty of humans too out there, can I kill them and eat their meat?

"Live with passion, Die with style"

the world wud turn... barren of us eating all the greenery and the crowd of chickens would very well spread their stink.

now ... i will stick to non veg.

yes Halal food is tastier in my opinion ... more apt to say is cleaner. you will know what i mean if you knew the impact of the procedure.

please look it up if you are interested.

Actually I am not, I do eat Chicken sometimes.

There should not be any Non-Vegetarians then. We can all turn vegetarians. Killing anyone to feed ourselves is not really a great thing to do.

"Live with passion, Die with style"

Thow non vagetrian will eat meat? I understand that you might be Vagetrian.

Killing animals any which way should be Haram.

"Live with passion, Die with style"

Nic ,

1 - naive,

Read article again

2 - assume that there is no science,

Read article again

3 - assume that only what was imposed on a society 14 centuries ago is universal law

Read article again

4 - address the message to people as if they were ignorant and had no other means (science) to acquire knowledge.

Read article again

PS. too bad your comprehension is blinded by your bozone.

I will correct this misleading

Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that *Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter* and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal.

The results surprised many.

Experimental Details:

1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.

2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.

3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method.

4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.

5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.

Results and Discussion:

I - Halal Method

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.

source:

http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=article&id=53

to show whether you like Halal meat or Non Halal meat.

Straight Arrow,

What a cleaver analogy, it’s almost poetic ;)

And your point with the halal/haram, (addressed to an international community not necessarily followers of your believes) was?

Like a child walking his mother near the lake at night and suddenly this child see the reflection of the moon on the lake and says Mum the moon is on the lake, the moon fall down.

Nic please look what is under the surface and not what is on the surface only.

where is the non halal meet at night time in Qatar ?? It's not available here.

smallville_yani,

I much prefer your version ;)

It sure reveals wisdom and common sense!

Thanks DaRuDe :D

I'm going for my haram meal, too.

Straight Arrow,

The contents of your link are:

1 - naive,

2 - assume that there is no science,

3 - assume that only what was imposed on a society 14 centuries ago is universal law

4 - address the message to people as if they were ignorant and had no other means (science) to acquire knowledge.

PS. too bad one is not allowed to say what he/she thinks, just because the big brother says so!

that makes you unclean... it what comes out your mouth(the unsavory words we say)

you may have fun any time any where any how you want.

now let me go fetch my halal meat :D

DaRude,

Why dont you let us have some fun too?

thats why i tried diverting it to a lil bit more intersting subject :D

I did not bring any thing from my self.

It is a research which is made by a German guy.

Nic do not attack Islam please.

yea you are right Da..such threads will only end up in religion bashing..

oooooops...dp

Everything's gonna be alright!!!

As usual, the contents of the link posted by Straight Arrow are patronizing and outdated. Clearly based on the level of knowledge the Middle East had in the 7th century.

The worse of the message, is assuming that people are still ignorant as they were 14 centuries ago and that they have no other source of educating themselves (not even science) but solely what Islam teaches!

A bit too ambitious and unrealistic, don’t you think Straight Arrow?

It is usual Bob-Unus conversation while returning from the school...

They both look teenagers, I wonder why they don't talk about other non-halal topics...

Everything's gonna be alright!!!

how long have you and i been on QL just honestly tell me how many times have this subject been discussed to death here on QL and in end it all ends up by members trashing each other.

DA... your mind is full of non halal these days...grrrr

lol

is there something interesting on that page or just waste of time.

Da you are quite lucky that the link is blocked...

Everything's gonna be alright!!!

the link is blocked at my side so thats why i did a little hijack. :D

which would be like a placebo thing. It's all in your mind. =)

As long as the meat is hygienic and fresh, i don't bother whether halal or not.

"It is better to be hated for what you are than being loved for what you are not."

DaRuDe I understand and keep the diryt business away please.

Fine DaRuDe you carry on, I"m stepping out to get you some CHICKEN eggs :P

All you really need is love, but a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt-- Lucy Van Pelt

i dont blame you i only blame qatari for allowing kids below -18 on this site :D

do they taste differently?

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Oh Darude you mean you were saying something inappropriate? Should I flag your comment?

All you really need is love, but a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt-- Lucy Van Pelt

First tell me the difference between Halal and Non halal...

BTW I am vegetarian..:)

Everything's gonna be alright!!!

is eggs rather than meat. some call it chicken eggs some call it parrot eggs.

:P

what's the difference in taste?

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silent "G"

i prefer only chicken eggs....haven't really bothered to find if they're halal,to be honest.

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How glorious it is - and also how painful - to be an exception. - Alfred de Musset

regret to say children -18 are not allowed on this topic. so you better leave it.

No Darude, we don't understand. What exactly do you mean?

--All you really need is love, but a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt-- Lucy Van Pelt

me like FISH !!

...Life would become Dull if there were no such Difficulties...

Who cares! What about halal vegetables?

Adults should be free and educated to choose what they want to eat (or drink).

Control rules that conditioned individual's choice, made sense when and where they were introduced: 14 centuries ago in a very very ignorant and illiterate society!

dont you go to work or what.

halal meat for sure!

I don't like any meat.

"Live with passion, Die with style"

...Life would become Dull if there were no such Difficulties...

every one wants to have halal meat

and at night time no one is interested in halal meat but non halal meat if you understand what i mean :D