Hamas victory rallies??? I'm a bit confused.

You can't teach experience...Gue

You can't teach experience...

You can't teach experience...

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I didn't do it I observed...

I'm gonna go back and delte ok

Should have kept mout shut

Just missed majic

You can't teach experience...

I am sorry, but I cannot agree when you say that "Although I don't have a problem with women getting felt out..."

Women are not just object of desire or chattel that they can be "felt" to satisfy the needs of a man...

Who is Majic??

You can't teach experience...

Although I don't have a problem with women getting felt out...Your entertainment deserves some prime time too..

Just my opinion...

You can't teach experience...

So they should eat more of it. The problem is, they feed also the non-Israelis, make them fatter and slower, and then they can't help the Palestinians anymore in time.

by feeding their enemies, PM.

its nice to hear that you like it, but to be fair

you said:

"The problem will the other Arab states infusing their evil and hate to stop such an excellent proposal. It needs to be stop at their tracks."

I say :

All arabs states proposed peace plan on 2002 in Beirut, but Israel infuse its evil and reject it (they said: the papers used in this proposal is more valuable then its content), and didnt propose another.

so lets hope that hate from both sides will not blind us.

Aissa

I am not sure of Hamas but when it comes to boycotting, arabs especially palestinians they want to boycott american products specially food like hardees and kentucky. What a pity? They stop eating it for somedays but then they return back. What a shame and disgrace. Israel is killing you and you are just boycotting their food. What victory rally. They have left thousand disabled. Thousands wives lost their husbands etc. Arabs go and sleep.

Why not?

I like the idea, just like the U.S.A. a nation of many different people around the globe, living together calling themselves Americans.

The problem will the other Arab states infusing their evil and hate to stop such an excellent proposal. It needs to be stop at their tracks.

The Palestinian people do have the power to propose and obtain that goal of unity and peace.

Use the following example as a motivator:

The election of Our First Black American President, Our 44th President of the United States of America.

The race boundaries have being erase, it is a new era, a new America.

It is all up to the Palestinian people to choose the right path.

Good Luck and my prayers goes towards you. I hope hate will not blind you from a being a peace maker and keep you in the right path.

Enough is enough for all the violence.

Good one :)

Aissa

History is usually written by winners, this is a very meaningful sentence, I always believed that.

Aissa

History is usually written by winners. But with this i just dont understand. Very good question though. I guess we can just let the people of palestine and israel decide. Very confusing indeed.

Aissa

I told you they are fofo

Aissa

Aissa

Its every arabs dream, and i think if they did , we will achieve peace. but lets face it, arab leaders are fofos . They dont have courage to even argue with USA. Thats why no body care sh-t about us.

Aissa

I said End Israel since Israeli want it to be Jews country

Aissa

The main Idea is to have one country for both nations after the return of all Palestinians back home.

Aissa

What exactly do you meant by 'End Israel'?

Could you filter your statement more clearly?

I'm lost in the translation...

No body have the right to decide except Palestinians, we are here sharing ideas, and each one has the right to be different.

Aissa

Its very simple, but some how very hard to apply,

End Israel, End All Palestinian resistance.

Bring all Palestinian back home (they are more than the current Israelis). Its good to mention that some Palestinians still holding their home's key, but sadly no more homes, its now Israelis towns.

Make temporary government 50% Palestinian 50% Israelis. Make election and create new government based on the elections.

All will be citizens, it will take another 20 years to have new generation that might mix with each others.

The most important thing at all is the return of all Palestinians .

how to do this, i dont know :(

some might agree some might not

Aissa

The we will have three superpowers...

Oh wait asia union...

So

USA

Europe

Middle east

Asia...

And we can just blow each other up and be done with it...

The poor from the slums are recruited to sacrifice the life to keep the terror going...It's the weak who pay the price...from every country...Even from america most of us join the military out of neccessity to escape poverty...the enlisted that is...

Were all just pawns...On both sides...

This shyt is not worth aurguing about anymore...

Not in this day and age...

You can't teach experience...

In your own words, Could you tell us, What is the proper course of action to solve the Palestinian and Israel crisis in Gaza? Would you approve of a peace solution that includes recognizing both nations right to exist?

Not fooling anyone, bunch of tools.

Be sure that i dont have any problem with you, we are here just sharing ideas.

You can not compare your situation with the Palestinians, before 1948 there were no Israel, it was Palastine an arabic region.

Starting from world war I,Jews start moving to palastine and after world war II they declare the country of Israel with the help of UK at that time.

Israelis from that time start killing arabs, they destroyed their villages, took their lands by force, and did lots of massacres, claiming that it is the land of Jews before 2000 years and they want it back, they kick them out of their country.

its not about what the media is showing, for example every body knows holocaust, can any body tel me the names of Israeli massacres against arabs. their is more than 1000. against Egypt,Jordan,Lebanon and Palestine.

its unfair to just say the problem is the hand made rockets that fly in loop way.

Aissa

Aissa: Luckilly i never had such problems, also i was lucky that none of my american friends had died in the twin towers, do you still remember the celebrations in Palestine when it happened?

Let me tell you something, during the civil war in Angola, 2 friends of mine were killed by "freedom fighters", and yes, some of the vitims were women and children, should i hate the Angolan people?

I don't hate and never will because violence only generates violence, all i think is that nothing i can do will bring them back.

Please, don't think that i support in anyway the slaughter made by Israel, just think that 1 side celebrating a moral victory as Hamas did, can be considered a provocation towards Israel and also an ofense to the palestinians that lost so many innocent people because their leaders choose to hit civilians ( didn't killed much Israeli civilians ) instead of fighting the Israeli army.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

You put Hamas as if they started the war, Israel is 60 years old, Hamas is a results of Israeli terrorist.

Of course war is not a solution, but if you are under a terrorist attack, then war is the only solution.

Its easy to you to say that since your country, home and family are safe, just consider your self in their position what you will do, by the way Gaza is not the first massacre

Aissa

Aissa: If they choose Hamas again, and Hamas keeps their agenda of not recognizing the right to the existence of Israel as it is today, than, palestinians should only blame themselves if Hamas fires any rocket against Israel.

And as far as i remember, Israel objectif was not only stop rockets being shot but also weaken Hamas. So, minimum you can say is that it was a draw, if we don't count human lifes lost because if we do, that Hamas didn't even got a moral victory.

I do hope that everybody will come to their senses and finally understand that war ain't a solution.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

You are blaming Hamas for getting weapon from Iran and Syria, suppose its true, whats wrong of that, they are under terrorist attack from Israel from 60 years, and all the world is watching, you are blaming them for defending them self?!

And why they are hostages, as if hamas came from Henloulu, Hamas are the sons of those families, hamas are fathers of the killed children, hamas are Palestinian trying to defend them self.

and why its hard for you to respect their choice, they choose Hamas.

You people are always trying to tell us to listen to other side of the story, hope someday you will do.

Please people dont just listen to one news report and come here trying to educate us about "democracy or civil rights"

Aissa

then this reply for the RP's post not for you, sorry bro :)

Aissa

One should know the full story of the events and the followed the "democratic victory". Here is the full story and is very true and accurate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_factional_violence

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My first paragraph was taken from RP's post. The purpose of my post is to comment that particular paragraph.. :)

You completely misunderstand my post. Calm down bro..

PM

What if they choose Hamas again, can we call this fair election and democracy?! or just another mistake ?

Aissa

The objective surely was to provoke Israel to invade, and to take lots of civilian casualties, both to reinforce their position in Gaza, to get the matter back on the world's front pages, and to get international condemnation of Israel. They succeeded. No military victory was ever available to them against israel

"Palestinian, You are being led and held hostage by blind leaders who are the puppeteer of a vicious governments such as Syria and Iran, where there is no form or shape of democracy or civil rights, except hate towards Israel and the western world."

I don't understand why so many American said this country is not democratic. If you look at its presidential election process, it's more democratic than in many "so called" democracy countries. But the fact, you don't have to be rich and no need to collect money from your supporters to be an Iranian presidential candidates, because all your campaign expenses paid by the country.

One more thing, israel and US repeatedly said that Hamas got weapons from Iran. What a propaganda. If it was true, Hamas would have been able to stop many israeli tanks. But they have are only home made rockets.

"democracy or civil rights"

Hamas won the elections in 2005, and i didnt see USA protecting that.

The only way to get peace in the area is to respect the people of the area and let them decide what they want.

Israel history proved that the only way to get your rights and protect your family and land is by force, and yes we want to have peace, but 60 years has proved that peace for weak nations is impossible.

Aissa

You can't teach experience...

I wonder who is going to get the Re-Construction Contracts in Palestine.....of course through the ever so benevolent United Nations.

Just watch out for that!!!

Who benefited?....Wait and watch!

I believe they should refuse any help from United Nation & request monetary aid from Arab countries.

A collateral Cease fire, just gives both parties the chance to reinforce each others resolution for the next battle. The Victory dance is only a Buffoon dancing and jester sizing the people and governments in question.

Pathetic as it sounds, I watch in the news, the thousands of Olives trees that are planted in that area.

For what I understand, to give an opponent a brach of olive leaves, symbolizes Peace and accord. A gesture of willing to negotiate or a Victor recognition.

Probably, those Olives trees are just too dammed Poisonous for human consumption to think about the word peace.

I have Another question:

Do you really think that the money that has being collected world wide for the whole purpose in helping the Palestinians, is going to be use in good terms?

I hope it is, not to rearm Hamas militant movement with more weapons.

How much more death and punishment the People of Israel and Palestine need to suffer?

Palestinian, You are being led and held hostage by blind leaders who are the puppeteer of a vicious governments such as Syria and Iran, where there is no form or shape of democracy or civil rights, except hate towards Israel and the western world. You need to take charge of your destiny as one collective voice and not those crooks calling themselves your leaders.

It is not about your faith, it is about compromising for everlasting Peace. If you expect that Israel is going to give up 'the occupied lands" They will not compromise at all. You have to settle for what you have and move on.

Israel you are a powerful nation, offer your peace, once and for all. You are not the only ones living in that region. You are responsible for the displacement of the Palestinians, act responsible and humanly. Stay the hell out of Lebanon. It is not your Homeland.

Enough is enough!

Respectfully

Red_Pope

It's like they want it to happen again...

Oh wait...It's happened again and again and again...

So all I can figure is they want it to happen forever...

Why I usually stear clear...But the victory thing got me.

Like I said I take no side and don't support war...

And I don't want to get into it with anyone...

Just hope and pray people quit killing each other one day...

You can't teach experience...

Leaders have to muster their troops for future battles. Hamas has taken a beating, but must regroup and show itself still to be a viable entity to its people. So, they use any and all means available to them.. This is one such method.

its the only thing that kept them alive.

Aissa

It doesn't make sence to me...

I stayed out of this subject til now...

But after reading that article I had to comment...

It was a victory for no one...as far as I am concerned...

It was a tragedy...

Vegas out...

You can't teach experience...

You can't teach experience...

If who killed more civilians, well yaaa Israel is the hero!!

if you want to take it in political or military side, you have to look at the goals each one declare before the war.

Israel said it will end Hamas, Hamas is here to stay.

Israel said it will stop rockets, the rockets were still going on, even after Israel declare the end of war from one side.

Israel claimed that it will change the political and the military situation is Gaza. it only changed the view, it was a city now its proof about their terrorism.

those are the main issues.

Hamas said none of the above you can achieve, and thats what happened.

if you are measuring who is the killer yes Israel win that.

Dont be so surprised, it does not look so good for you

Aissa

They need this to rally their troops and instil a sense of pride and to take away from the losses and the destruction.

hi Vegas, if it meant lifting the blockade and that Gaza will now have access to humanitarian aid, then yes, I would personally perceive that as a victory. we mourn the dead, but if this bloodbath paved the way to humanitarian access, then they would not have died in vain.

Now we are hoping that Gaza will be reconstructed expeditiously, relocate the displaced families, and Israel be tried for war crime cases fairly.

As most in here would want to do...

But tomorrow is another day...

We shall see...

You can't teach experience...

Why do/did you expect a low amount of comments Vegas?

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

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You can't teach experience...

You can't teach experience...

Makes sense since Hamas was established by Shin Bet...

1987: Hamas Forms with the Support of Israeli Intelligence

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin forms Hamas as the military arm of his Islamic Association, which had been licensed by Israel ten years earlier (see 1973-1978).

According to Charles Freeman, a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, “Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet, which had a feeling that they could use it to hem in the PLO.” [CounterPunch, 1/18/2003; >> http://www.counterpunch.org/hanania01182003.html

Dreyfuss, 2005, pp. 191, 208] >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...nterforcoop-20

Anthony Cordesman, a Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies, states that Israel “aided Hamas directly—the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO.”

A former senior CIA official speaking to UPI describes Israel’s support for Hamas as “a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative.”

Further, according to an unnamed US government official, “the thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the other groups, if they gained control, would refuse to have anything to do with the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place.”

Larry Johnson, a counterterrorism official at the State Department, states: “The Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism. They are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer. They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it.” [United Press International, 2/24/2001 >> http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/06/08/1320881.php

Sources: Larry C. Johnson, Unnamed former CIA official] >> http://www.historycommons.org/entity...rry_c._johnson

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

It is ridiculous that 1500 people are died (60% of them are children and women) and whole city is destructed by Israeli forces and they are holding rallies for victory.

This is insanity......

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Thats politics...

dont try to understand it

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Drac

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Did you Google it first?