How to help this person?

Same thing happend to A person i've known.He is working in Qatar also. You wont even think, he can do such thing(stealing). Perfect the same amount 30,000. But one of the co-owner is he's uncle(egyptian).The other two

were egyptian and Qatari.

To make it short: They let him pay every pay check(every month). But i heard he's still doing same thing.

So foR this kind of people. SEND THEM TO JAIL...RIGHT NOW!..

thief and liar they are siblings, dont believe everything your freind is telling you. stealing Qr1 or Qr 1M is still stealing, you should not get anything that is not yours, pay,jail or deportation he deserves it all.

Salam

Cut off the hand (yad) of the thief (saariq or saariqa), male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allâh.

Al-Ma'idah 5:38

your nick ! howz that soo appropriate for you !

lolzzz

==========================================

you will get the way you gave, understood?

gal ! you gotta mouth !

is that why you are here in qatar? not in legislation dept. of your country?

good job !

==========================================

you will get the way you gave, understood?

according to QR law.......30,000 is nothing but he or she will prob spend 6 months to 1 year in jail then bye bye....n blacklisted to work anywhere in the Middle East....shame on him or her.....

the victim is a male or female??

"Never love a person you can live with,

Always Love a person you can never live without"

Isn't that the point of jail?

Jails are supposed to prevent crime, by acting as a deterrant to would be thieves, as well as a place of punishment, and a place of rehabilitation.

If people know that they can just break the law and avoid any legal consequences then this world is going to get pretty scary.

Punish him! Let him serve as an example to others why stealing is wrong.

.. good answer

Yes he's guilty as a thief. But you would not break someones life by sending him to jail. At best, I would ask him to go out of Qatar quietly and don't come back.

Huck. Maybe you missed that lesson in Islam about stealing, along with the lesson you missed about being inappropriate with women.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

you missed the point

raise the amount 30,000 and hand it over. Be compassionate just taking free advice wont help him

Show your compassion NOW

how can you justify stealing? and you have guts to call

ppl moron?

Only sinner can support another sinner

quote

many types of ppl you will find here, not everyone are alike....

you will find some arrogant one-eyed self-disrespected ppl, as well as some compassionate ppl also...

just dont let some morans let you down...

may Allah bless you ... unquote

And then we have threads that whine about the selective application of the law in this country...

:-)

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Where is the threshold where we are supposed to stop pitying this thief?

What if he stole 50,000? 100,000? 1,000,000???

off for STEALING. I hope I don't have any money in that bank, because I seriously doubt the HONESTY of such a person.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

What ice? My friends did the crime, they do the time. Doesn't mean that I'm not still their friend.

... break the ice of your heart !

:-)

Sorry, I've had childhood friends who've wound up in jail, and while I told them good luck, I didn't try and fix their mistakes for them. Frankly they got what they deserved.

Mistake? you call stealing over a period of 6 months a mistake? You have some serious issues dude..childhood friend or not.

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

_[]~SMoKE~[]_

...dont loose your heart...

many types of ppl you will find here, not everyone are alike....

you will find some arrogant one-eyed self-disrespected ppl, as well as some compassionate ppl also...

just dont let some morans let you down...

may Allah bless you ...

He probably won't be put in jail. My company had a similar situation and they just deported him. Good riddance.

ill stop. but last you know i just open account here because honestly that im hoping the people here will give some pieces of advice. i recieve some good and some that i cant tkae for my friend. he is my childhood friend, i hope you also have one.i think sometime we should look also to our friend those good things that he've done to us not judge him/her for what mistke he've got. but anyway THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU GUYS HERE....

WELL APPRECIATED.GOOD LUCK!

I want to see how many of these friends are willing to bail him out by repaying that money for him while he is in jail. If he is in jail he'll have to ask relatives back home to arrange to pay the amount.

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

_[]~SMoKE~[]_

what if most of his friends knows about it then suddenly sombody from from his trust friends told it to the boss first before him.anyway he dont even a good man but i think most people love him even the boss.but we dont know.i understand the he deserve to recieve punishment.what if he is willing to work to repay the money the he've got. how can he pay money if hew is inside the jail?

Primotivo stop talking all this shit for once and just open your damn eyes. I've read through all this and u know what? seems to me all the people working in that company trying to cover up for this guy are ALSO involved in stealing from this company and possibly you too. Else why would anyone want to save a person that just joined 9 months ago and feel so much compassion towards him?

Morally you are all thieves for trying to save this person for God knows what reasons. Whatever is his reasons for stealing for himself or for someone else stealing money is stealing and must be punished. You take this whole situation as a joke or something? I hope the boss is wise enough to fire all your asses from that company as you guys are nothing but worthless parasites, stealing from your company, you disgust me.

Make an honest living with whatever salary you are given it will be blessed by God. Dont come here looking for any sympathy for backing up a person committing a crime such as stealing 30 grand OMG! Stealing even ONE riyal from your company is not allowed. If he cant return the money then he should be thrown in jail and serve his punishment.

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

_[]~SMoKE~[]_

He is only confessed when he was caught but till that moment he was stealing company's money for the last '6' continuous months. How can you say that he is a nice man. Such white collared thieves do pretend to be nicer with everyone working in a same company or profession.

.

Well, I will agree with others that he must be jailed for atleast 3 years and then deportation (or) other 2 possibilities are:

1. The management must ask him to return their money [Fully or as much as left with him] and then deport him.

2. Take his passport in their custody and ask him to work without pay in their company under strict surveillance till he pay backs the company's remaining amount by his monthly salary in full.

... compassionate ... wont jail him, but deport...

it was actually posted last week but the suspension was actually done tuesday last week but he admitted to the boss monday lunch time. so what do you think will happen? do you think there will be some benefits of doubt, what if in this case he is trying to cover someone so he dont want to involve this someone in this case, even the boss asked him twice if someone behind this problem.he just replied no, because maybe he is covering other or he dont want to drop any name because, he is only admitting on his own mistakes. what do you think?

what do you think are the usual process if they just already have the police report preparing to submit?

what if my friend cannot believe thets the total amount of money still questionable for him? (i mean not all he takes)

rigth now my friend is in the level of acceptance but what he shall do since he was being suspended?

should he wait for the decision before asking help from the embassy?

do you think this manpower company will do something for him to save him?

what if the boss the he was working with doesnt want him to put in jail and he just gave the decision to manpower company? do you think half of decision will be coming to the boss were he working with?

sooooooooooooo much question....... (deep breath)

... good answer.. i second you...

would have their decision comes Monday or Tuesday.

You know quite well that what your friend did is FRAUD and THEFT thus equate as a GRAVE MISCONDUCT tantamount to Immediate dismissal without any benefits, etc.

Let's just hope that your friend will get TERMINATION and the management won't report it to the police and/or file a case against him.

... really sad

waiting for the judgement...

"Never love a person you can live with,

Always Love a person you can never live without"

are basing it on the fact that his low salary indicates he is from a poor Asian country. I suspect if it were a Westerner stealing from his company, "Huck" wouldn't be so sympathetic and worried about his family. Just a suspicion of mine....

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I keep trying to work out how anyone could be sympathetic for this guy.

There is no mention of him stealing the money to assist family. And even if the money was for that purpose, why not go to a bank, or ask your manager directly to get an advance on your salary?

The guy just stole it, putting his family's livelihood in jeopardy. Totally indefensible in my book, and the guy needs to be pubished in some measure to deter others from thinking that it's okay to help themselves to the company's resources.

I know if I wandered off with even 1000 riyals from my place of work I would be forced to repay the money before then being fired and deported. If I took 30,000 the police would certainly be involved. How many other people work in companies with similar standards?

punished. All members of society share the responsibility of making sure that laws are applied fairly. For anyone to know that he stole -- REPEATEDLY -- and then say he should not serve time in jail, will bear responsibility if he does it again because he never learned the consequences of his actions.

I find it particularly disturbing that someone here who is in bank management is saying that we should pity the guy and send him home since he has a family. Hard to believe the lack of ethics that passes in the world today.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

hehehe

"4. the boss said he is not a judge to decide what is right."

I don't think we need a judge to tell us that stealing 30,000 riyals is not right.

Off with his hand!!

"katas ng qatar"

.... please convey your boss my regards.... please also tell him that he's is one the nicest persons i have ever heard of ....may Allah bless him and his family...

its almost one week about this problem, from the time he talked to management. the boss told him he doesnt have any desire to put this person in jail if he wants he can call asas by the time he admited and talked about this issues, he didnt do because maybe this boss is trying to give benefits of doubt..

1.to return the money, and solve it to his own dept.

2. to think may this guy have someone behind this stealling process.

3. he love this guy and other people love too but as a boss he cannot do anything only to help him in a very least way like returning the money.

4. the boss said he is not a judge to decide what is right.

guys, my friend is not asking for me any help because he understand that even his other close friends is here to work and save money so even he is in this kind of situation he will be more understand. the last time we talked he is now all ready to face consequence because for at least he will like to put in jail because he believe that all prisoners will be equal feeling rather than to stay outside and here something that he cannot take especially people he dont know him well...

thankx for all your opinion still helps a lot to face his punishment...

GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU!!! GOD HAVE MERCY ON US.....

i am not asking to 'excuse' rather i asked for the level and impact of punishment....

as i said earlier, deporting would also be a big punishment for him,

predominantly, if this guy were in his own country, i would have ofcourse recommended to put him behind the bars.....

but, in qatar, law is bit harsh,

i just felt for his poor and old parents who may be waiting for his remittance every month...

bankers are also human being... we are not robot, we are human being and we are subjective... and that's why some ppl is in favor of execution of a killer and some are not... what is right, only Allah knows,

but, i always love to forgive...

when i am forgiving millions of crimes conducted by educated business tycons all over, i can, at least, hope to lessen one person's punishement to be lessen...

attack on perennial villain?... i wish i could do.... :-(

Now you are saying that because bad things happen and people apologize for them that we should just excuse thieves???

Don't turn this thread into another attack on the perennial villains you like to blame everything on. This is about a man stealing 30,000 QR over 6 months. It is not about politics or what's unfair in the world.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

.... when one country throw bomb in residential area of another country and innocent children get killed, the spokeman of the country publishes an apology statment... and its done....

and when, a guy steal QR 30000, we can't just lessen his punishement ....

...i didn't take it lightly.... yes, i took it compassionately....

if this man wud get deported, he would be jobsless ofcourse and will loose the opportunity of earling money from gcc, that is his punishment....

but, if he gets gailed, that wud also hamper his family and that punishment would be a bit hursh...

Allah prescribed to cut hands of thieves, sometimes, but, simultaneosly, Allah also have forgiven many cruel criminals for his/her single good deed....

and i didnt say he 'should' not be punished, rather i 'hoped' he would be punished by being deported...

I know his salary is not much, but he's been stealing QR 5000 for 6 months! May they go for deportation without jailing him.

Salam

but even Allah prescribes punishment for thieves. I am surprised in your line of work you take stealing so lightly.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

- Deportation, or

- Jail then deportation, or

- Payment then deportation, or

- Payment, jail then deportation, or

- Payment made then set him free.

Cannot think of any other option.

Salam

all ppl of this thread,

i am talking about the punishment of a thief here and my hope for his punishment is based on his stealing money... if he would have raped/killed someone, i would not ofcourse asked for the same punishement....

sometimes, ppl talk bout curse, whether its valid/not... even sometimes, a criminal gets away from god's punishment on earth coz that will have impact to his children.... say for instance, if this guy punished in jail for 4 years, his daughter, in effect, may have to quit school back home and one day she may ask god what was her fault of being uneducated?

this is where God is more compassionate... this is why we always depend on his 'justice'.....

or raped someone? He is a criminal and deserves punishment. If we allowed our concern for people's families to keep us from punishing people then there is no reason to have law and order.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

he should be deported by the company rather than put him into jail...

he should be punished, but, jail for few years .... um... i am thiking his family back home.... i know ppl may think, why he himself didnt think bout his family back home...

anyhow, but, i hope this guy would be deported by the company without being jailed....

primotivo,

still you are calling him friend.

really shame

It may be a small possibility that, he knows this well that, he will never get any finacial help from any one if he is saying his issues? So, he thought he can make it silently from his side itself and when time comes he wuould inform everyone the facts!

Else, he is saying the problems to every one, and they didnt grand him any financial support, he can never do this things further or he may be get catched from the 1st week itself.

But, now every one is suspecting him as a thief?? is it his mistake?? He want a place to hide himself now... the only place remains..... JAIL!!

"Never love a person you can live with,

Always Love a person you can never live without"

he did not only steal from the firm but he stole from his friends.

He is a thief.

He took something that was not his.

He should be sent home.

_________________________________________________

Man makes plans...............God smiles ;-)

What about chopping his hands off?

qatari riyals as the manager stated is a small amount?

vraiment?vraiment?

is the manager aware of the statement he just said to the "man"who helped himself with the small amount?

im dumbfounded.

for the man who took the money,and admitted of his wrongdoing,well he should pay all of it, get ready to be sent home and be ready to get blacklisted here.together with his manager.

Good grief. How hard hearted you guys are. He was just helping himself to a small amount of money, to help him over a bad patch. He only did it for six continuous months. I am sure he would have gone on for only a few more, but that isiotic boss found out.

I think he should be allowed to continue working, preferably within the department that handles large amounts of cash.

2-5 years for theft of a similar amount.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I think if he is a good guy then when why did he steal.

We alwayz have a choice to do things

Y did not he go and speak to the boss at first before doing that stuff

I do not think management will show any mercy

It is really sad

Think of it this way - if his boss just lets him off the hook without punishment, won't that give a green light to all the other employees to steal?

Mandi

thankx coz you know as a close im really afraid for him at this moment of his life right now he need someone to count on though some of his friends trying to help him but he cannot do anything just for prayer...what else can i suggest for him? how many months or years do you think coz i acnt answer him this kind of question.sorryy to bother you.

a bullet.

OOOps He is Soooooo professional thief

Not suddenly problem comes...

Don`t Love me be my friend

given that everything was went wrong, is there any grounds towards friendship right???

sometimes in this kind of situation you will not count to that person on what he have done wrong, you will pick up a little pieces on the positive sides on your companionship, im not saying that we are close friends for at least the management will look on his good personalities in which may be a way to lessen his punishment, i do undertand you guys that stealling is equal to jail, im not a lawyer and i think all of us are allien from this country...can we just say something a little more helpful rather than depression...but thankx anyway...

lets just hope something miracle will come to us and if its happen new life are starting to lighten...

If he isn't kleptomaniac, then something else, like a vice or a financial problem is pushing him to use the company's money.

As a friend, talk it out with him what's causing him to use the company's money and help him to stop that habit.

As you said, you know him for the past 9 months...

He is a good person as you know....

But he is stealing for the past 6 months. You are in touch with him for the 9 months and he started stealing from the 2nd month of your friendship started. Then how you become his best friend (i think you are very close to him).

Even he never find you as a good friend in these 9 months and never find any time to share his feelings... something smells bad here!!

All others found this person guilty and tried to cover his position in the same company. So its suspecious that the others may too involved in this crime (thinkable).

I think better pack this person back home after giving the necessery punishments (all upto the mgmnt). If he has any mental issues (due to the workload / family issues/ personal problems/etc etc) better refer to any good doctor to save the persons life.

N.B: Every suspects have different stories to say to get a sympathy. One thing should be in mind that, he was enjoying the last 6 months stealing the cash & never found himself guilty. i.e, an average of 5000Qr per month. Average 150+ Qr per day.

"Never love a person you can live with,

Always Love a person you can never live without"

well either forgive the guy and fire him

or send him to jail

no other possiblities

Tata!

At the least he should be deported; but really he deserves what he gets. If you are his friend, you should accept that he needs to learn a lesson and take his punishment. How would you feel if he stole from you?

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

as a friend how can i help him aside from financial aspect?

He is a low life thief.

__________________________________________________

Man makes plans...............God smiles ;-)

in jail you mean? how many months? or years? what if the boss is asking to return the money but he cannot provide anthing? anyhelp answer pls............

And whatsmore, if I could prove that others were trying to cover up for him and deceive me as well,,,Id boot them out as well.

He deserves to go to jail..

I like to use the rule if thumb that if I catch somebody for stealing say 10,000,,,,the real figure is most likely to be nearer double.

Anyway,he only came clean when he was caught,if not how long would it have gone on.

Drop kick out the door asap.

He is a thief.

Arrest him.

________________________________________________

Man makes plans...............God smiles ;-)