Islamic State in UK?

i heard about the raj rajaratnam case. news is he was even funding hillary's campaign. too bad for him, she cannot save him now. what i heard is that he got caught for insider deals in the share market.

Yaksbunt,

Unfortunately you are right.

It sure does look like Britain sold their soul to the devil.

When you visit London (as an example), rarely you come across with a Brit in any service sector. Instead you get unhappy and aggressive people that won’t hide the hate they have inside them – the hate for their jobs, the hate for their personal situation, the hate for the country that received them, the hate for the customers they are supposed to serve, etc…) .

Harsh and radical behavior will generate reactive harsh and radical opposition!!!!!!!!

Time for a smooth and transitional clean up in the house, otherwise the extreme right spirit will re-raise again!

Unfortunately the UK have become too tolerant of others in the name of Political Correctness. The "do-gooders" who have pushed the governments and councils over the past 20 years to be so tolerant of others has caused Britain to lose alot of its own identity.

Yes everyone is entitled to their own religion and in the west we have no problem with diversity. We even give funding to help you build your mosques and temples.

Brits in general are getting fed up with people from other countries being welcomed in then turning round and demanding that we change our laws, our ways, our schools and our way of living?

Uk is a democratic country and all citizens are entitled to free speech, but that doesn't mean we have to listen to it. Every time an extremist calls on this sort of demonstration and protest it is ammunition for the BNP who are gaining more support in Europe. This is not a scenario I want to see either.

I love Britain, I love being British but I would never expect any other country that I live in (and there have been a few)to change their ways to accommodate me. When we go to live and work in other countries we go to embrace other cultures, experience the differences and make new friends. I don't go to change the world and I wish visitors to my country would stop trying to change us.

just be in one family.......lol

"Raj Rajaratnam, the New York-based billionaire and hedge fund manager charged in an alleged insider trading scheme on Friday, was funding the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, which is considered a terrorist group by the US, the Sri Lankan government claimed on Sunday"

"[Sri Lanka-born] Raj Rajaratnam was involved in several schemes funding the LTTE. [He] wasn't under formal investigation because he was operating from the US . . . but he was still funding the LTTE frontline organisation."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/BUSINESS/10/18/srilanka.trader.tamil.ft/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

Samael, As an Egyptian (BTW I carry dual Egyptian and American nationalities but this is beside the point) I don't want any form of the so called Sharia law in my country either(referring to Egypt of course), and still you are playing the generalization card, My Best friend's wife is an Egyptian British Muslim (born and raised in Manchester) and she in no way needs your government low rent subsidized housing as she alone makes over a 100 thousand USD a year and carries a Ph.D degree, and yes the British government made a horrific mistake from the 70s to the 90s by granting asylum to people who are considered religious extremists in their own countries, (they basically for political reasons granted asylum for terrorists till the mid 90s), they are still a small portion of the British Muslim population which relies on poverty, poor education and social alienation to increase their numbers, and as for those riots, remember that even the KKK has rallies, and that the best course of action is trying to integrate those people by proper education which advocates tolerance instead of alienating them into gated communities where extremism can blossom.

well, it certainly seems to be the case.

One Nation! One rule!

United States of America!!!

that Muslims, or Islamists, or whatever you want to call these folks,,,,want to overtake, conquer, or otherwise demand that a country they are in abide by their demands and desires??

What gives with this??

It is certainly making an impact on the way others view them...

Cyber

I do not want any form of sheria law in my country.

I'm sure as an Egyptian you are an expert on British Muslims and obvioulsy know that the ones seeking asylum are granted housing and money before an actual born and bred Brit. Naturally you realize that now in the UK Many people have been scared out of Communities they were born in because a Group of people decided it should only be for Muslims to live there as the rent is low. I also understand that with your vast experience you are well informed about the riots that happened (in defence) of a father who killed his daughter and her boyfriend with a sword and said he did nothing wrong, he was saving the honour of his family (one of a hell of alot of cases in the UK). I bet you also knew that the highest Crime rate in the cities of Britain come from areas where there are the highest percentage of ethnic minorities.

Silly me, why would i be repeating something you already know.

________________________________

Is it just me or is there something oddly similar with ziytahhsl and so_cool's way of talking?

I agree EXLegend, generalizing is one of the biggest problems we face, it polarizes all the sides away from each other,creates negative sentiments towards one another and advertises seclusion and closed communities which are a breeding ground for real extremists.

cyberenity... generalizing is the worlds biggest problem today... not terrorism... without it there will be no new addition to any terror organization ... in my opinion ... sometimes absurd :)

It's not for "them" to decide when it effects everyone.

I think its pathetic that a ludicrous statement by a fringe extremist minuscule portion of the British Muslim population is taken as a presentation of the mentality of the entire British Muslim community, I can quote statements from the KKK here and say that it is a presentation of the American Christian community (and The KKK by the way has much more supporters than the guy whose leaflet is quoted by the original poster), these kind of tactics are used by xenophobes to further polarize the segments of society away from each other and further their own agenda,

I remember watching Bill O'Reilly a day after a drunk driver hit and killed a woman in the U.S., The guy happened to be an illegal Mexican Immigrant, So O'Reilly was making a statement that the U.S. should get rid of all its illegal Immigrants because look at what they are doing to our society, drinking and driving killing our women and children, I don't think he bothered to check how many Americans Hit someone while drunk driving that night.

Olive... i doubt you should be saying that if you are not one of 'them'. its for 'them' to decide is it not. we can best walk with our faith like once the legendary Aussie PM Howard responded to threats from Indonesia.

thats being positive from our side.. isnt it?

You are making a big deal out of nothing as usual exiled.

From any government perspective:

Freedom of speech = let them say what they want, we will keep doing what we want.

It was always practiced in UK since forever, minorities trying to gain something by protesting, yet, it all goes to just few of them opportunists taking advantage of week ignorant souls.

Yalla!

So what's positive about a religion that doesn't allow it's peoples voices to be heard and keeps them living in fear of being "cast out" or even killed. Again, from what I can see, there's not much positive about the religion.

honestly, if we put ourselves in the position of those liberal ones we might be able to feel their state of mind at that given situation. 'stoning' for rapists is a punishment prescribed by the law of their religion... how do they protest loudly against it. and many other such questions may arise in their head. how about fears like getting isolated from the community...

its only my opinion... not that i am saying they support or oppose it.

every human seems to do the right thing... even if it seems to be totally absurd by the other.

given the state the world is in today... i think... a solution is far far away... perhaps unseen.

ExLegend I would argue that they don't do enough to project their positive side. When you have marches calling for corporal punishment, such as stoning, how do you expect people to react? It's quite natural for them to react out of fear.

EXLegend,

to use your words:

the liberal 'them' stay in silence, helping the negative side of them to be projected.

in my opinion... the main cause of the problem is our response to their demands/requests... most of us are inclined to project the negative side of them... killing the growth of the liberal 'them'.

Olive,

agree with you and that is exactly the main cause of most of the problems, the world is facing today.

Ohh Yaa! Olive! that's wat i'm talkin abt!!! Thumbs UP!!!

"This country man, can't go anywhere without getting' mugged, or murdered or stabbed. Kids killin' their classmates, drivebys, ya know, I won't even go into a post office any more-United States of America"

FFS. I can think of someone who should be stoned in the street and it isn't an adulterer. At least my point is proven, Muslims in the UK would never settle for just a civil council, to many of you are too F***ed in the head.

As-salamu alaikum,

Adulteration should be condomned. This is a common sense of human being but Islam says not only by sense but also by practice.

If you stone anyone for adultery in the street others will fear to do it again and UK will be one of the clorious countries in the world.

The Islamic rule is :-the guilt should be punished severly. then only we can iredicate it.

Sorry Ziyathsl I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you saying that the UK should enforce Sharia Law?

As-slamu alaikum,

dear

That is what the muslim ask for in UK, If it is imporced locally the dicision making in their hand for Islamic Sharia (Sharia means in english law and condition)

As-salamu alaikum

Dear brother,

Yes, you can if you are a citizen of Qatar for the benefits of you and your sociaty.

But the question is would these Muslims accept just civil rulings, or would they push for criminal rulings. I can't see many British being ok with women being stoned in the streets for adultery.

Olive... that would actually be a very very wise way to avoid further unrest of the Muslim community. at least giving them the permission to be judged based on the 'sharia law' for certain matters excluding criminal acts or those significant to the country as in whole.

for matters limited to the particular community... the governement could wisely introduce the shahria..

very nice and smart thinking. :)

Jews weren't given separate laws in the UK, what they were given was a Jewish advisory council for civil matters (ie: marriage, divorce, inheritance) which would make a judgment on the case and "SUGGEST" to the legal court that this should be the judgment. From that point on it was up to the British court to uphold the Advisory councils suggestion or come up with their own. The Advisory council has NO say however on criminal matters, where the rule of the country is applied.

I see no problem with instituting the same thing for Muslims, however will they be happy with that?

man! tell me where ur comin from? Srilanka??

so why don u go up there to ur country...& ask wat u want???

i kno they'll kick ur ass out of the country...cause they got enough rules & rugulations available. u kno i'm sayin...likewise UK got the same thing goin on..

will they allow anyone to build a church in Saudi Arabia??? wat do u think?

i see zuyathsl-a has a good point. given the conditions of UK i.e. a democratic nation offering freedom to its citizens... if his claim that the jews were allowed to be treated as per a separate law other than the general ones... then the same should be applicable to the Muslims considering their volume.

my opinion.

zuyathsl_a, do you agree that as I am not Muslim I should be able to set up different laws and conditions in Qatar for the benefit of myself and other Brits? Please tell.

As-salamualaikum,

Dear bother,

If the jews have not halakha that means such thing not precribed in their religion.

And one more thing,muslims in UK are not the hell but rather they are government aproved citizens. So they have the fullest right to projest against the government to imporce Sharia that is in english law and condtion.

Why the hell should they come to my country and and fall under a different set of laws? Should the jews have "Halakha"? Give me a break, this is common sense.

You fall under the laws of the country you are in.

________________________________

As-salamu alaikum,

Dear brother,

Please avoid using harsh words against any body,the persom using such words is considered to be mentally weak. I don't think you are such person.

But A separate laws and conditions (sharia means in english law and condition) for muslim in UK should be offered ,Insha Allah it will be imporced soon lets see it later),as the second largest religion in UK 2.4 millions.

While we having the history back, for the jews when they were the second largest religion in UK,according to their religion there were many seperate laws and condtios imporced.

Now the same rights the second largest religion that is Islam, not only in UK but also in the world, is protesting against the UK goverment to imporce separate laws and conditions according to their religion.

I don't think that UK government will violate the fundamental human rights as it is a country to fellow strictly the human rights.

If you dont know about the human rights ,please ask any one and get some knowledge.

ok

finishing university doesn't mean u will start to understand ... i think we can find here a lot of examples just read the comments and u will got wat i said ''only if u finished university ''

ur country is Phillipenas or canary island ?! just be specific plz so we can understand ur picture and wat u are saying

Do not do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you(Wag kang gay-an, kung mang gagay-an ka, wag gay-on)"

so_coool,

One can not generally understand subjects taught at university when they haven't completed primary school.

But Don Robert We have the same situation with Brit, in Mindanao, not only they want the sharia law but also islamic indipendent state yet they are only 7 percent of our total population..they always think big!.all same same!.hwehehe!

__________________________________________

Life is short...300 meter before roundabout!

what to do yani, those idiots doesn't know where they stand anymore. If they want sharia law then they should go back to wherever shithole they come from coz it's not their country. If those idiots do the same demonstartion in our country, I'm sure I will be one of the people to slap them in the left and the right face. plak!plak!

"Do not do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you(Wag kang gay-an, kung mang gagay-an ka, wag gay-on)"

once i met a British lady which from the first moment i seen until the last time i saw her she was repeating one word (I am Holding a British passport) properly she has the right to say that her in Qatar and specially her in QL ..well my question turn back to all British ppl here in Qatar wat u are doing her ? if this is the sharia stupid ruled country that doesn't match with British Standard and regulation and even Ur life style so why in hell u are her (in this bloody country ) a British expression is almost used for every thing and can be applied for good and bad things ...

nic ... if u have studied sharia and u claim u know wat does it stand for please tell me and tell all the ppl here say we can all know wat exactly we are talking about is like talking about mekka and think very few ppl know wat is Mecca ...USEING UR OWN WORDS (It’s all old school for the west! Philosophical and scientific thinking have been around in “the west” for more than 4000 years, not just 1400. And it has been continuously improved not stagnated!) That tell for every body that sharia was here since 4000 yrs can u plz explain more or at least send us ur source for such important information u got ...

PaulCowan ..earning the passport is not the problem even Georg W bush has got the passport of usa meanwhile he killed more than 100000 person around the world Iraq Afghanistan, USA (the ppl who died in USA not finding something to eat or a medicine to take while he spend their money (the American) for his own personal interest and to enlarge the family work in different country sending the American troops to attack Iraq .... so holding the passport is not who u are wat u do is who u are ...i has no problems with passports i has problem with idiot ppl trying to talk about somthing they even dont know wat it is ...

gerryqs and finally the last amazing comment that GERRYQS gave us all (should drive through the GCC with our dogs of war and take back what we once owned.) i know this maybe his or her thoughts but also i can know that this is the products of leak of knowledge and watching a lot of CNN BBC and other amazing movie show TV that they start to think GCC is wat there grand fathers gave to ppl of GCC ..

Note : plz think and after that write wat u think dont write then read wat u wrote

Probably wise.

Its not my criteria buddy. I would not make critical comments on Astro- physics or the composition of Beethovens 5th Symphoney because I simply dont understand either. Half of the remarks on here are racist and blind from people who just want to manifest ill feeling.

This has nothing to do with Religion for me. Its about identity and a minority who wish to take it away from me.

Anyway this thread is going to turn into the latest 'anti - bashing' type, so I am bugging out.

Peace

I just wanted to know why they are tryin to steppin in an empty pool, you know i'm saying? what for??? ain't got no watter thou...lol

I done already schooled you once homeboy, how many lesson you wanna learn? hahaha! latest joke ever huh..lol

Oct 30 will be a wrong turn huh..Fasten your seat belts...lol

Don't worry Gert Wilders will probably join the march.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8308982.stm

Why are all the idoits in London at one time?? Maybe half of QL is there as well....

Radical muslims feed on the freedom that the west provides and then hide under their religion. Perhaps the western powers should just simply take their funds from them. We should drive through the GCC with our dogs of war and take back what we once owned.

return to their totalitarian countries/roots and do something worthwhile there? The reason is because they are screamers and not workers,,,or as the British say "wankers".

Let them return to Libya, or Saudi, or elsewhere and stir things up,,,they would be imprisoned, tortured and killed in a wink...

These are the actions of very weak people.

The problem in the uk is not a simple one and it is very different to being in qatar.

If you are in a minority in the uk you have more rights than the majority.

In theory it is a majority christian country but many cities have banned the use of the word christmas in their celebrations and now call it winter festival so that no-one in the minority will feel offended.

here are some figures from the 2001 census

Christian 71.6%

No religion 15.5%

Muslim 2.7%

Hindu 1.0%

Jedi knight 0.7%

Sikh 0.6%

Jewish 0.5%

of course that is just what they write on a census, the majority don't actually practice and don't belong to a church

i think it's great that the uk allows people to follow the faith of their choice and allows freedom of speech, but i hope that the laws will not change in favour of sharia as these people want. Sharia is fundamentally not wrong but where will it lead to ironically the very people that now enjoy the freedoms they enjoy in the uk would lose them.

the other problem is that the majority never speak up and when they do they are branded as racist or worse. the only people from the uk that you ever hear speaking up are so fed up with the way things are run that they are now living and working in places like qatar!

i don't know if there is a solution to this debate?

The thing is Leisa this people are Brits and there is nowhere else for them to go.

To be honest, Leisa, I don't see an awful lot of respect for their laws and culture, especially at the Ramada sports bar of a weekend, or in the way women dress in the malls, or in the demands for a pork shop. We respect their laws sufficiently to avoid arrest or deportation and, apart from that, most of us just want to create a little Britain and get a big pay packet.

I don't know about Islamic but coming June, UK will be in a Grandslamic state!

It makes me laugh! Us Brits go to a conservative country, respects their laws and culture but they come to Britiain, claiming Brits are racist & all the rest of. If you dont like the country - back to where you came from!

Just like all of us here in Qatar is to earn a living and when the time comes, we go. These islamist earning a living in Britain should do the same. Simple, abide by the host country's law and if not happy, just leave.

Eugene Terre'Blanche, has returned to politics, pledging to revitalise the Nazi-style Afrikaner Resistance Movement (AWB) in South Africa.

Should he be allowed to have his say or be kicked out of the country ?

Matty, if comment was restricted to those who are informed and knowledgable there might not be very many comments ;)

And who is going to decide whether a comment meets your criteria? I presume people who post remarks are not sitting thinking "I'm ill-informed, so I'll expose my ignorance by making a stupid comment."

I know this will astonish you, but even I have been known to say things which show an astonishing lack of erudition. Fortunately, that allows people to correct me so I know better next time.

The moral of this is that you shouldn't ban people you don't agree with, you should point out their mistakes.

I'm sorry to hear about Sheffield. It sounds as if the education system is failing to get the right message across.

How do you "earn a British passport"? I never did anything to get mine. True, I had a great-uncle who was killed in World War I two days before my mother was born; and my uncle was wounded on D-Day with the Paras as the glider he commanded landed behind enemy lines. But I didn't do either of those things. Perhaps I should hand it back until I can think of something I did to "earn" it.

If you were addressing your comment about the likelihoot of a Sharia take-over of the UK to me, I don't believe for a moment that it will happen - at least, not within the next 100 years.

I feel sorry for them... they must be miserable in the UK.

There are lots of countries with Sharia and for their own personal happiness levels they should choose one of them so peace will be upon them. :)

And I believe the same for people who come to Qatar and moan about sharia and the laws and rules imposed here......

I will have to bow out of this one now as its quickly turning into a religious thread and I have take a vow of silence on religious topics. However I have no problem if the religious among you wish to carry out debating here for all eternity.

So_cool,

The thing is, the westerns, what you probably like to call infidels, don't give a damn about going backwards in what they have achieved in many many many fields including civil and human rights over the past, at least, 4 millenniums.

Just to read this now, you are using the benefits of that western world's development and progress! If you choose to do so, you'll have to know that this comes with the whole western package, particularly in their own countries!

PS. Don’t think that Islam or Sharia Law is anything unknown to the west or even brings anything new. I think the problem with some of you, is assuming that the west has no clue of what your religion advocates. It’s all old school for the west! Philosophical and scientific thinking have been around in “the west” for more than 4000 years, not just 1400. And it has been continuously improved not stagnated!

Omar bakri was the best thing the British media & govt had to create the islamic 'danger with in' image. To say they could not do anything is laughable. Kind of things he used to say openly were so inflammatory, others were arrested for far lesser things under the terror laws. He was the main character in the fly on the wall documentory 'ayatollah of tottenham' showing the jihad 'training camps', yet nothing happened.

Why deny him re-entry? it is because they will have to arrest him under the terror laws which were passed just after he conveniently gave the MI5 the 'slip' and sneaked out. In any case he continues to 'preach' online so how has that solved the problem.

This is all a game...as I said before there is something about this guy and the various groups he runs (keeps starting new ones so not sure what the latest one is...islam4uk?) which makes majority of the UK muslims wonder why he is never arrested. Maybe he has friends in high places.

Omar Bakri was a pain in the arse to the authorities but although there was not much they could do about him as soon as he left the British government denied him re-entry. He the complained his human rights were infringed.... ha ha, the irony was beautiful to behold.

u kno i'm sayin u gotta add some more...lol

*US sendin more troops to Iraq & Afghanistan - Obama, *British PM says that britain will send a large number of British Army to Afghanistan before end of this year, *Russia is agreed with US to take action against Iran abt it's nuclear weapons.

*BNP will get voted in the upcomong event

*many.............

yall gota watch CNN, BBC, AFN, CNBC...yeap

lol. it seems like 'to be continued'.....huh cool.lol

whe i asked wat shareia means i wanted to ask that for the ''western'' ppl (western is the way they like to be called) just to understand if anyone of them tried to make an effort and try to read anything about the meaning of words that they hear in news and they read in news paper ( sharia, jihad,islam , terrorist, palestine, isreal,middle east, qatar, mohammed, mekka...etc)and alot of other words that we get used to hear now...

PaulCowan - I agree commenting is allowed if informed and knowledgeable. Demonstrating against a lifestyle, because that lifestyle,(Western) doesn’t suit you, is quite different. Most of the Asian kids I grew up with at School in Sheffield, do not want to be British...they like what the Passport gives them, but more importantly confuse Islam with rebellion against the UK. Most second and third generation Muslims in the UK, (where the support is most vocal) could not live with Sharia law....they have never had it or understand it.

You should earn a British passport...end of story. Since 1914, we paid a very heavy price to ensure we still have one. Do you seriously think that a minority of ‘extremist Muslims’ will make an Islamic State. We have lost Millions of young lives defending ourselves against invasion since the beginning of the last century and were still here.

Corcaoich – Sorry mate but your wrong! It’s not widely accepted, that’s another propaganda myth. It’s repulsed by the masses and investigated by the Police. The honour killings are common and no longer make headline news. The recent UK court case involving the 15 year old Girl being killed by her own father, uncle and brothers are the facts, NOT FICTION.

Please if you are going to post, make it factual!!!!!!

For those of you who are unaware, the guy behind this 'group' calling for the march used to be a key member of another group called Al-Muhajiroon which conveniently volutarily disbanded just before a law was to be passed to ban such 'groups'. They pull these stunts from time to time for publicity and feed the media frenzy. They are ignored by majority of the UK muslims who cringe when these ppl appear on newpapers/channels.

There are things which puzzle many muslims about both Al Muhajiroon & Islam4UK.

* Their leaders are never arrested even though they openly make the most outrageous anti British statements.

* Whenever there is an 'incident', the British media runs to them for comments which make headlines and reinforce the stereotypical view of muslims. A bit like Al Jazeera getting a quote from the BNP and presenting it as the views of the majority of Brits.

* Their leader (omar bakri) has never been arrested whereas others like him have been behind bars or under house arrest under various terror laws.

* In fact bakri slipped out of the Uk even though he was supposed to be under 'surveilence' with out the police or MI5 knowing, and now lives in Lebonan. He continues to preach over the internet without interference.

* A handful of weirdos attend these marches yet they get full media coverage whereas Muslim peace marches just about make the local news.

* These guys normally come out with a publicity stunt just before a parliamentary vote on some terror related law which usually passes.

In summary this group has some question marks about it seeing that everytime they raise their heads they damage Islam and increase hostility against the UK muslims.

Sharia law is widely applied in UK, not officially but among the Muslim community themselves in considering family disputes etc. No Stoning, no cutting off of hands just simple justice practised by people judging problems as they see them with God's help as they believe. No legal status but effective in removing women from unhappy marriages, settling inheritance issues etc. A cheap and effective way of solving peoples problems without the ruinous cost of court cases involving lawyers.

The effect is the same as an arbitration, cheaper and if accepted by the parties,effective. Remember disputes leading to lawsuits are generally based on prejudice, remembering all the instances of the other parties guilt and bad behaviour and forgetting your own.

These Guys who advocate such things as the March 4 Sharia are sociopaths, no good sending them somewhere else, still couldn't fit in any society hence Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and now Pakistan attacking food aid workers and bombing mosques in complete complete defiance of Islamic teaching, why don't more Muslims condemn this in the same way as huge numbers in the West protested the Iraq war?

Where do you expect these people to be deported to? If they were born in the UK then they are British. We can't just send them to Pakistan just because their grandfather came from there. It doesn't work like that.

On the contrary, Angelina, everyone has the right to comment. Why does everybody keep wanting to deprive people of their rights - to comment, to hold a demo, to hold British nationality?

At the heart of British (and Western) freedom lies the principle laid out by a Frenchman, Voltaire: "I disagree with everything you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it". That is the principle that needs to be protected and you can't protect it by trying to gag people just because you think their ideas are outrageous.

question for the author !

do u know wat sharia means ??!!

take it serious question plz !

please.....no one has the right to argue about this unless you are British!! this is our country being made a mockery of! and bloody right too! look at our royal family.....a right bloody shower......

it might not be the propper way to convey the message of islam, maybe. but to deport british from britain, by britain ... lol! ur messing with another fundamental human right: no one can be stripped of his citizenship (but certain exeptional well defined cases). they are as british as queen elizabeth.

remind me of LePen (french far right)!

Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that.

there you go... we have one matured Muslim ... 'khattak'

this is just another wing executing the roots agendas. sadly most see it as the mass mentality. the good thing is each one will be judged rightly at the right hour.

TO BE IMPALED!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impalement

The citizenship rights of all those should be cancelled....and they should be deported immediately.

This is not the proper way to convey the Message of Islam.

---------------------------------------------------------Whenever I find the KEY to SUCCESS...Someone STEALS it.

Ka Pukhtoon ye no dalta daNgg warka: http://www.qatarliving.com/group/pukhtoon-in-qatar

I wonder what the BNP have to say about this......

what is wrong in a protest... thats a true example of a free country...? Can you do the same in qatar?

There are hundreds of different kind of protests all around the world, does even a handful of them get noticed and be a law.?

Well, despite all the things that can be criticized of western countries... something no-one in this world can deny is the fact that FREEDOM of SPEECH is such as a blessing which allow us to express our opinions and concerns about every single situation from, economics, social, polytics, education, health...with no limits but just not agression... that my dears, is a blessing, a right of mankind... it feels so excited when you see the results of polls, and as in my country you see the freely transition from a right hand government to a lefty one...and viceversa... so in summary good for the western countries where we can express ourselves and manage this situations... God illuminates the Brit's authorities so to handle the situation in a proper way...

Muslim British need to be considered and be equally treated under the laws of their country.

Salam

but the whole thing is a very new trend ... have heard of protests seeking freedom... here the protest is to get binded under the Islamic law. my understanding is the larger meaning behind it.

as long as they don't threaten the public peace or break the law, they can do and proclaim whatever they want. they say overthrow, maybe they mean by popular support. if they can get the majority they are intitled to change the governement maybe democratically aboloish democracy (referendum...).

on the other side, the atheist in the summer were planning to publish posts on busses with 2 sentences that i do not want to mention here. they were allowed in france, italy (with modification), and spain (also with modification).

them being still a tiny minority, they r hurting themselves more than getting any gains. this will "open eyes" on them.

Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that.

...in direct opposition to the recent English Defence League protests around the Country, against Muslim Extremists. Everyone in the UK was surprised at the relatively large turnouts and although I doubt they have any serious clout, it is showing a general shift in attitude of the silent majority. This is not the ridiculously bigoted BNP, as the press would have you believe. I've heard some of the interviews and they don’t talk about colour or race, only of extremism.

The majority (and they are still the majority) are tired of the situation and tired of the disruptive minority of the population, who abuse the British system to try to incite unwanted change. What the majority of British people are guilty of is watching it happen. This seems to be changing.

Britain will not become the first Muslim State, don’t believe the hype. The Government are useless and have been for at least 2 decades but all talk of Sharia law and Muslim states is absurd and shows a lack current political knowledge.

I envisage a lot of trouble occurring back home and I doubt this will be a peaceful proteston in London on the 31 Oct.

I M P A L E D !

"we have had enough of freedom"

A stupid phrase!

If they didn't like it, they'd call it chaos not freedom.

There will always be a minority in any country who want something different. It's like the minority that still wants a "Free Texas", or those that want "East Germany" to come back or the Sikhs who want a seperate homeland.

The bottom line is that THEY are a minority and their "demands" should be taken with a pinch of salt.

THERE is the entrance door to the airport - make sure not to come back!!!

Is this not what we hear here? It is THEIR country, THEIR rules, THEIR oil, THEIR money...

The UK should be so much stricter... who knows, one day - Insha-allah!

first rule of exiled

---------------------------------

"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

heheh

we can call it as "freedom of choice" why you are angry formatted?

---------------------------------

"It could be a picture

It could be a medicine

it could be a bullet

depends on how you see it"

Exactly, brit. You hear the same in Qatar: If you don't like the system, go!"

I would agree on the whole with SAMAEL.., although two things come to mind..

Britain allows freedom of speech and this moronic minority must be allowed to exercise their rights.

Secondly, if they are unhappy with the state of affairs, they are perfectly welcome to leave. Infact the government should "encourage" them to do so.

before all that sharia has to be applied in the muslim states appropriately.

I think it is pathetic and they should be kicked out. What would happen if a bunch of white eyes like me ran down the corniche protesting that the Emir should abdocate and we should have a parlament to run everything? I am only partially blaming those people doing the protest, i mainly blame the UK Government (post maggie) for allowing it to come to this.

WTF right do they think they have to come into my country and demand things. Granted some of them are legitimate british citizens and deserve their right to protest, but the majority of them are not born in the UK. It's crazy, come on in, have a house, here is a bit of cash, now bitch about us please. Oh and by the way... Over throwing the government is every teusday, have a nice stay in Britania.

Britain is a Christian Country (been in the air since old Henry i admit) and people know this when they land there. Until this so called government we have start growing a pair and not worry who they going to offend, then i personally have no intentions of ever returning there.

I mean having Halal Meals for Prisoners, Muslim Prison Guards for Muslim inmates etc, is a Joke, you are in prison, you eat what is put infront of you. You're a Muslim Butcher, you take the job, then complain about pork, Get another job, god knows it is easier for you to get one than someone who is a born and bred Brit.

Mark my words, the UK will become either a muslim state one day, or the BNP will get voted in. Niether of which i would like to see.

"you may hear the Muslim call to prayer over the streets of Britain, when I can hear church bells sound across Riyadh." - Thatcher to the King of Saudi

________________________________

abdullahrafe, here's a link to those freedom fighters you admire so much...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8308313.stm

"Majority or minority ain't no matter to Authority!

"Authority is Authority! What authority does, what it decides it self, It runs by itself, No changes can be made unless authority wanted a change,

"Dreams may come true the next time while you are dreaming" "Sky is the limit but sky ain't got no limit"

Let them protest. Its their right and they are only a small minority that do not represent the majority of Brits or Muslims in the UK.

adbullahrafe- Just another dreamer.. what a load of bollocks ..rofl

_____________________________________________

- Listen to Many...Speak to a Few -

they finish England off they will get their 72 virgins....

Lion King, a third area where British law has adjusted to religious sensibilities is in providing taxpayer funding for religious indoctrination centres ... sorry, I mean faith schools ... including Islamic ones.

doesn't have a whole lot to go to be finished off anyway. Let 'em have it to finally ruin the place.

These groups are the ones who bomb innocent people!

Extremist demonstrations shouldn't be allowed!

Wake up

stop with all this crap of yours.

look around you.

living with high hopes you wont get anything at all.

Well I supposed that QL might had some intelligent People around but after reading this post i find Utter Non-sence in people .. what the people want exactly is the question.DEMOCRACY IF A FAILED SOLUTION to the world tell me any country in the world satisfied with democracy. are the people living in america satisfied ..go educate u r self read the pols by Ron Paul His Book "END FED". Abraham lincoln Said Democarcy Is a type Of Government For the People By People.. I accept this for the sake of argument and say its right infact its a government for SOME PEOPLE not ALL THE PEOPLE> the people of america tried to stop bush for not engaging them into war but what happened bush even violated the UN agreements and still now no action has been taken against him.

Democracy System Of Government protects

1) Those who the Bullys Or The Gangsters

2) people causing Economic Terrorism

3) This System Never Protects the People in Fact It Builds Up a Police force to Just Look After Them

4) This System Encourages BANKING the Evil Of Economics Some refer its as ECONOMIC TERMITES and some say Economic HITMANS.

5) This System Portrait Freedom Fighters as Terrorists and Bullys & Gangsters as Heros(This can be seen in the History too if u need refrences i will provide you)

6) This System Is Based On Divide & Rule Policy They search For Traitors all around

7) They Florish Social Evils Like Drinking, Smoking, Strip ties,etc example:(They will Provide Protection To Prostitutes and relate this as Freedom of Women)

8) They Diminish Cultural and religious Values through small age by intruducing illicit syllabus in schools

I Hope That you Read The Following book

The Synogue Of satan By Andrew Hitchhoke

---------------------------------------------------------Anastacia (Left out anlon)

The govt is (or should be) FOR the people. If the MAJORITY want the govt to change the laws, than it is the govt responsibility to do what the majority of the population wants/needs. It does not matter if the govt it self does not agree with it. If the Muslims get it their way...so be it. If they are the Majority. Keeping in mind tomorrow there might be another/different majority that might not vote the same way they will.

No where does it state that the laws of a country can not change. Majority of the ppl recognize the law, they want it changed, they should be able to vote on it and end the discussion.

"Their own laws" are fine as long as the Majority wants it.

Ppl who move to Qatar do not move for the same reason as most of the ppl who are in the West. You are in Qatar to make money. Tomorrow you are out of a job you HAVE to leave. The same can not be said for a Muslim how is born and brought up in the West. THAT IS THEIR HOME (like it or not) while Qatar is not the HOME of ppl working here.

Majority should be Authority

No western nation allowed Sharia to be used in full as of today.Canada is widely reported to have come close leading to protests in 2005. The main reason is the fact that Sharia differs in one very important and significant way to the legal traditions of the western world.

Currently there are two important areas where British law has incorporated religious legal considerations. British food regulations allow meat to be slaughtered according to Jewish and Islamic practices. Secondly, the treasury has approved Sharia-compliant financial products such as mortgages and investments.

My personal view on this issue is that the principles of sharia law could play a role in some parts of the legal system; but,how does the sharia system work and fit into the entire society in the UK? All the citzens of the UK should adhere to the existing law rather than enforcing islam's legal systems in particular.

Each and every nationality, all around the world got their own countries to do whatever they want? How they need it… that's why we got regions,

American – they got own rules & ruling the country as they like

Europe – English people, got different style of living

Asia – different from all others

Middle East – got different rules & regulations

So here, what I'm saying? It's prohibited by the law of middle-east to talking about Christianity or any other religion, except Islam. They don't even let others to build a church or other religious buildings ever. It's not wrong. Because this country belongs to Islam, so they are doing what they want to be doing. No comments.

If we take a look in Italy, especially in Vatican cit, you won't find anything except Catholic churches & many Christian historical buildings.city is full of Christians, the head of the Christian nation! No comments at all.

If you got a good enough stuff in your own house!!! Then why the hell yall wanna get some potato chips from your neighbor's house???

But I hope this time all kind of protest will be end with many dead bodies in streets.

The Royal Authorities ain't got any more patience about what's going on? So the next step will be worse than before!!! Yall know UK isn't alone they got the whole European Union nations surrounded & behind as well.

Freedom of speech will be cut down as soon. Likewise middle-east does. To protect the country from violence.

No religion! Never says 'Kill each other to save your religion'

"If you got peace in your mind & soul. Then you got the living god & religion in your life, it helps you to stay alive"

Islamists at their best!

Why are the majority of religious fanatics, Muslims?!

What is with this religion that incites such behavior?!

There's nothing contrary to British tradition in wandering around London demanding political changes. Futile protests make people feel they've done something, then they can go home after a fun day out and get back to supporting the system by working for a living.

The trouble comes when people take notice of these protesters instead of ignoring them, or worse still hold counter-marches so that everybody can have a punch-up with the police (though I suppose that is also in line with British traditions).

Unfortunately, it is inevitable that this will provoke a counter-demo by those who also want the UK to be polarised into "True Brits" and "Immigrant Muslims".

have rights of freedom of speech, similarly to Gay/Lesbian rights, legalised? then let everybody (including stupids) ask for whatever they want......

It will be more interesting to see how Law makers and parliamentarians reacts to such demands.

Yes, it is ridiculous to ask for such things in WESTERN Country.

when we go to live in another country,the basic idea shud be to make as much money as possible and get back home asap....or if we intend to settle down there coz we're not comfortable in our own country,then we shud abide by the rules and ways of that country....coz only then can one arrive at a decision to actually settle down there....if one is feeling uncomfortable about it,then they shud go back to where they came from where people live according to their advocated tastes and accepted culture.living in a foreign land with the sole intent of changing any aspect of it is sheer stupidity,IMHO.

Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor

British political correctness @ it's very best...say what we may about Qatar,one thing i will give to these guys,unlike the Brits,these guys have b@#%s,this is a Muslim country plain & simple,abide by the rules or get the hell out...unlike UK which is essentially a Christian secular nation,but due to their political correctness & desire to show the world that they respect freedom of speech & freedom of everything else,things have gotten to this stage where the Brit Muslim fundamentalists are in open revolt of the spineless Govt...i don't know about you but i'd be ashamed if my Govt. was like this...

His quote was until 2025 60% of Europe population will be Muslim as it is very fast growing religion. He also quoted we don't need jihad to conquer the nations and get them to Islam. Growth of Islam will get them Islam. Regarding UK this is beginning it was sure to happen if not now then sure in future.

"As to people who move to Qatar and hating the culture here, well they are pretty stupid to make that move!"

Not at all. Lots of people who couldn't make a success of their lives in the West are able to be big bosses on fat salaries here.

It's true

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand:-Give-us-full-Sharia-law/

The aim is probably to further polarise society, provoke violence and thereby create a siege mentality among British Muslims that recruits more people to militancy.

i dont agree with that

Well said Jasskat..exactly my thoughts..

it is one thing fighting for equal rights: the right to practice the religion of your choice, the right to live without the fear of being a target based on your race, gender, or sexual orientation and no one should have to move to another country to achieve this.

It is different to change a government's laws based on your particular belief. So what happens if Muslims get their laws, where does it stop? What will happen if every religion demands their own set of laws?

It is not Muslims against the Brits. They are al British and should recognize the laws in their own country.

They are not fighting for the right to freely practice their religion or have their own culture, they are requesting to have their own laws.

As to people who move to Qatar and hating the culture here, well they are pretty stupid to make that move!

tra la la

Cumbersome...I didnt make that poster.... its published in www.islam4uk.com

Arien... you are right...lol

These kinds of issues are always very difficult. For most muslims UK/USA/Other Western countries are "their" countries. They were bron and brought up their so the "go back to your own country" can not apply.

They are considered citizens of their (that) country who want change. Nothing wrong with demanding change (whatever it might be as long as it is legally done)

We have ppl ON TV bashing gays, jews, muslims etc, and want to ban equal rights to some in the society, we have groups like the KKK who the govt does not clamp down on. So these ppl are not the first (and surely not the last) ones who want it "their way", which is fine by me as long as they ask legally & get it done legally.

Will they offend ppl...yes...but offending is not breaking the law.

I seriously doubt this is true. I mean, I'm no muslim, but I know that muslims ain't stupid, and they know how to get what they want without seeming too obvious. This poster is too straightforward and doesn't really make sense, especially when I read the phrase "we have had enough of freedom". They may not want freedom and prefer the sovereignty on "allah" or whatever, but they're not gonna blurr it out like that!... or will they?

FS like we say in our language about the Camel , give him lil space and u had it.

______________________________________________

- Listen to Many...Speak to a Few -

UKEng... I wanted to hear few peoples comments on this including you...lol

yea i dont think any sane person will have such a demand...

"Why move to a country if you hate its culture and laws?" Well, we Brits took over half the world in order to "enlighten" it, so I suppose we shouldn't complain if those who resisted our kind of "enlightenment" come and try to impose theirs on us.

Come to think of it, a peculiarly large number of Westerners arriving in Qatar carry a bundle of hatred of its culture and laws with them.

It's an intolerant world out there.

I'll say put all of them on their banana boats and send them back to where they came from!

-----------------

HE WHO DARES WINS

really they need a psychiatric, if they are demanding all these in UK.

This is going to backfire in the near future.Soon they will stop Muslims migrating.

______________________________________________

- Listen to Many...Speak to a Few -

it is part of human right FS ....

reliable source needed for further comments.

why move to a country if you hate its culture and laws?? They say they have "had enough of the BRitish culture" hmmmmm then possible move?

I certainly wouldn't move to Saudi and demand they change their laws to fit my beliefs.

Interesting.

tra la la