Lebanon government collapses..

Democarcy is accepting defeat and sitting in the opposition for the betterment of the country -

Today Hariri said he and his bloc would not take part in a Hezbollah-led government.

So he feels he MUST be Prime Minister..

What is democracy anyway?

Supporters of Saad Hariri have taken to the streets in protest at efforts by Hezbollah to form the next government.

Earlier, Hezbollah and its allies earlier won the nomination of their candidate Najib Mikati as the next prime minister.

The US expressed "great concern" over Hezbollah dominating government.

"Our view of Hezbollah is very well-known. We see it as a terrorist organisation, and would have great concerns about a government within which Hezbollah plays a leading role," State Department spokesman PJ Crowley said.

"The larger the role played by Hezbollah in this government the more problematic our relationship will be."

So , where does this democracy go now ?

lets just be clear. the truth is that hizbollah is shiiaa and is getting stronger specially after 2006 war with israel. all gulf countries and the neighboors of lebanon HATE shiiaa people and they would never let them have power in the region like in bahrain, kuwait, KSA ...

So as long as shiiaa in lebanon are strong, problems will always exist. thats the truth that people are afraid to tell.

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shoes from sinbad? ;-)

The winds blow in many directions..

A good article by Robert Fisk ..

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-lebanon-in-limbo-a-nation-haunted-by-the-murder-of-rafiq-hariri-2184281.html

No, ONLY when someone breaks the COMMUNITY RULES.. definitely he'll be deleted!

Mods deleted him sooner than what i thought.

RIP SOURYA AL ASAD

may he rest in peace

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Elfreak, I think it may have been the profanity and the unrelenting, sweeping ad hominem attacks.

Mandi

So when someone speaks the truth, he gets deleted??

And this thread shows very clearly why things are the way they are.

[Mod's note: "Sourya Al Asad" is history!]

cool. people are worrying about the situation in my country. well yeah there is a big problem. We have 2 groups and I think they have tried enough to find some commun points but it is not working. No civil war for sure and the war with Israel, mmmm there will be but not soon because we are taking our precautions to avoid that as well Israel is doing the same and tryin to avoid any military contact with us due to the presence of Hizbollah and to the US diplomatic efforts with Iran, Syria, KSA and Lebanon.

Anyway no need to fight guys. It happens in every country. At least we have democracy to be so different from each others but i really hate when it comes to killing and stuff like that.

the new guy ID...is it deleted?? cant view it...very quick action from MOD

interior ministry is always superior, thats what i've learned from experience.

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thank you for warning, Mod! :) i thought i am above the law :)

qatarisun

feel free with your fingers, MOD's usually keeping blind eye on U ;)

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sometimes I think lebanese create instability in their country, which leads to the civil war, intentionally. I am not going to say, what the purpose is, otherwise the Mod will ban me for bashing lebanese nation in general.. :):)

MOD in action :)

:D, believe me cryspy , we don't have problems with anyone , and ask any syrian.really!!!

i even don't talk about them even if another nationalities start to criticize them"most of the time".

i just hate to be generalized,and as well for others.

but they have problem with our system,i don't know why they transfer it to us"as a community".

maybe they hatred among themselves was over that can be handled so they transfer it to us.

anyway , khalli walli, i don't care.

Dang it, every time I decide to take a holiday in Beirut something happens. Will I ever get there? Thinking of Istanbul, now ...

Mandi

lolllllll

i thought, there are two nations on this planet "Indians VS Pakistani's"

man ...please instead of attacking my name , my signature..or my syria.

why u don't answer my questions?

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your argument regarding what you said is useless, because here in qatar there is all the nationalities.

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peace... and stop loosing your control, please, i am not your ENEMY, look at the mirror and you will know who is your enemy.

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One shot… u tackle the most superficial things….

anyway one thing is sure…if Albert Einstein was still alive he would have changed the quote your are putting to : seeing a Syrian using his brain is merely an illusion!

By the way, since your country is heaven on earth, and all is well there, “you have singers, dancers, as u mentioned previously…” loool’s….. why are you losing your time in Qatar! Syria is calling… go sing and belly dance with them...

Hopefully the day will come when Syria will leave Lebanon alone… what a thick superglue !!!

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for keeping your cool.

you will keep loosing if you didn't unit for one time at least, and forget all the grudge between each others.

-"Hariri" ran to saudia during the israeli attack on lebanon.

-"3oon" stayed away in france for over than 20 years hiding from syria , and now they are friends.

-"Hasan nasr allah" is being protected by Iran from any suspicious attack.

-Junblad....no need to talk about him :).

all my wishes to the my Lebanese brothers is not to fall again in the same trap that politician prepared for them.

and think that all of them are Lebanese no matter where they came from or what accent they speak.

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you told me about freedom , and we can see Lebanese sometimes change their accent or hide where they are from just to save their lives.

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what a freedom you have.

again you didn't answer my question about the mafia who are ruling lebanon and how long they were ruling?????.

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or you just want your team to win and F*** the other Lebanese?

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Among all the fighting parties in lebanon,the same names used to rule since 25 years, and they will keep ruling while poor lebaneese die for nothing.

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please don't tell me about freedom , because it is a fantasy dream and nowadays get along with bloodshed, we saw what happened to IRAQ and its freedom.

It's funny to see non lebanese people discussing the lebanese situation, I've always thought that even the lebanese themselves never knew wot was really going on with their country, not even the politicians themselves. and now im reading all this, each one has an opinion and is analyzing the situation, it's just funny.

the same people who led lebanon to the civil war in the 70's are still leading lebanon this day, the same ideologies, same people, the only new team to the group is Hizbullah which was only concerned in fighting israel and freeing the land, and even hizbullah has a bad history fighting other lebanese people regardless of wether it was defending itself or not.

Leave lebanon for the lebanese, let the lebanese talk about their situation, its the only thing they have left.

SOURYA ...... don't curse ur country, Good or Bad, after all its written in your profile that U 're from Syria.

One shot… I am sure ur brain is on standby mode today… or everyday…

Did u read what I said… I am talking about myself… my freedom… and said that at least in Lebanon I can express myself without being jailed or killed... like in Syria…

one shot

if i'm not mistaken 66 years old Lebanese has a young daughter ;)

and what you said above my friend applied on all the world , even if the president is changing every 4 years but the agenda is already written.

it is just changing faces.

and since you are talking about freedom my friend why i can see that the same people are rulling since 25 years?

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Jumblad family , or 3oon, or Hariri family?????

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you have to wake up, not me.

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what kind of freedom you are talking about?

There was a documentary on Aljazeera about Arab jews in Israel, an Iraqi jew said it bluntly that he isn't happy in Israel and he would prefer to go back to Iraq, so immigrating elsewhere isn't a solution.

My point is Christian Arabs are Arabs in the first place and they belong to this region , they shouldn't go anywhere and no one should force them to leave.

Look at how Lebanon has managed to develop its economy lately thanks to the quasi political stability.

I really hope and wish that the US administration would recognise a Palestinian state on the 67 borders, so that Palestinian refugees could go back and let this region revive again, but reality idicates otherwise :(

There are too many strings attached when it comes to Lebanon, but Lebanese people should have the final say,not Iran,Syria,Saudi Arabia,US or Israel.

live in your own fake freedom ....and keep killing each others.

One shot...you live in shit...you don’t even dare to open your mouth in Syria or to say anything concerning the Syrian regime… you are not even allowed to HAVE a BLACKBERRY… and QLER’s am not joking about that…the Syrian regime don’t allow the blackberry for security issues they say?!?!?!? Deeuuuh…

One shot !!! When will you wake up and notice that the Syrian people are even in a worse situation than Lebanon… Your ruling family is Slapping you on the head daily, for their own benefits….

Wake up!!!! You don’t have the freedom to talk…or express yourself…

My everything is my freedom… and wont trade it for anything!!!!

Liberty is the possibility of saying No to any authority - literary, artistic, philosophical, religious, social, and even political. ~Ignazio Silone, The God That Failed, 1950

i am not Homsi , but they are the most kind people and good heart people in syria.

even though there are no Syrian troops in Lebanon, the Syrian regime is still controlling most of the parties and Lebanese’s politicians…

-----> so it is your problem not us, if you say so.

well said

One SHOT…. Pleaaase stop being or playing dumb… for God’s sake… even though there are no Syrian troops in Lebanon, the Syrian regime is still controlling most of the parties and Lebanese’s politicians…

There is no physical presence for the Syrian army on Lebanese ground, but still the Lebanese politicians go to Syria to take their blessing prior taking any decision, even a minor one!?!?! …

One shot, I am sure you are HOMSI !!!!!

don't make it religious issue and cry for it.

In syria we have Christians more than Lebanon,and from all the kinds, and we live in harmony.

live next to each other,dealing with each other,and never had this kind of thinking that he is christian and i am Muslim.

because Lebanese themselves can't solve their own problems

And Rays, I’m sure you’re a peaceful guy… sorry I misled you with my profile... you have to live in the region, to know exactly how complicated the situation is… trust that it’s not about the people nor heritage…, it’s POLITICS, MONEY, CORRUPTION…. And can’t be sorted out as long as u have Saudi Arabia, Syria, Hezbollah, Palestinian camps… and Israel…

MMyke: the plan was to deport all the Lebanese Christians to Canada…I still remember very well when the US boats came to deport us!?!?… did u know that!!!! Cause the Palestinians were planned to be shifted to Lebanon… are u getting a bit the ISRAELI thing?!?!? So it’s not about sympathy, cause it will not add or remove an inch… the plan is still the same, and still getting from worse to worser…

People are Muppets in this region, God help us!

“Mon Pays va mal” de mal en mal…..

I HATE U BRIT FOR OPENING THIS SUBJECT!!!.....

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enough for me..

ciao!

my opinion is that they will poke their nose in everything could bring money,this is why politicians become politicians.

look to their companies.

are doomed to this... and I personally think its terrible to have one's future like this,..

didn't create this stuff!

this has been going on for thousands of years,,,and will continue to do so...

this is the culture and the religion of the people...

Let USA solve their own problems, internally and externally... They are getting bashed in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they are not in a position to poke their nose in Lebanon....

mmyke

you don't solve a problem unless you maid it at the first place,or you want to use it for your own benefit.

and this is life.;) right?

everyone is becoming desensitized to the ongoing world of the Middle East,,,,the more people find out about it the less sympathy there is.

One thing that has always amazed me is why everyone expects the West, and in particular the USA, to solve these ongoing problems (which appears to be the true culture) while blaming the West for these same problems.

As was said above here...

they already kidnapped a Lebanese man at the borders.

it will be really stupidity if they start another civil war.

i don't know what to say , mocking or feeling sad toward them,people ganna die , and it is realy sad thing,arguing or debating,fighting or cursing will do nothing.

Saad Hariri has arrived in turkey, hope to have a press conference soon, but right now he is the Interim PM of Lebanon, until they select a new leader of the house..

But what ever happens, Middle east, and the World in whole cannot afford Civil War inside Lebanon, if this thing happens, then Israel would have the chance to Finish Hezbollah with force...

the sad thing is when you kill each other , then you complain against Syria or Palestinians in Lebanon.

Now you don't have syria in lebanon, but you keep thinking that syria is involved.

it is craziness.

even you as a Lebanese , you don't buy it.

when you see another Lebanese you ask first where is he from ?

just to know if he has your same ideology or not.

so you can decide to like this man or not.

your hate against Syrians is acceptable when we know that you are the Lebanese hate each other more.

reading mode O.o

hehehe, but we accept your grudge against your big brother, we have to give you the tender that u miss ,we have to forgive you for your mistakes eh;)

what to do yaani :P

hehehe...ghz. SYRIA...

anyway, Syrian always play dumb, I am talking about the regime (they are a major war/terrorism conspirator in the region, and act like it’s never them!!!)……as for the Syrian population,,, they are firmed and controlled… the reason why AL ASAD family and company were able to restrict 23 million person and will remain in power forever and ever… forever Bashaaaar…

PS: during the presidency elections Bashar al asad (actual Syrian president) got 99,99% of the Syrian votes ?!?!?!? deeeuuuuuuuuuuuh…

I saw in your profile and found out you two are Syrians. In my opinion, you two have to stop sarcastic comments and fighting. I don't care who's Lebanese wannabe here. Because all of you Lebanese and Syrian share the same heritage. Come together and help each other.

Russia?

Hey Brit, did u know where were Hizbollah decision makers the day before giving the order to their people to resign and collapse the Lebanese government???

please tell me where is that and tell me what happened to the natives people of that land maybe my history knowledge isn't good.

for 10,000 years and it will continue on for another 10,000 years.

I am so happy that I come from an extremely peaceful part of the world where guns are not allowed to be owned hardly...

Another war again?When they gonna give peace a chance.

No wonder Lebanon Embassy is not giving any tourist visa at the moment.Some country they suspending the flights to Lebanon as well.

Sorry for the common man of that country who will suffer the brunt,... But will this help bring the "Pseudo European-Asian –Hating oil heads" to their senses that they are after all human????I doubt!

don't worry vic

i am out of here ;)

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who is this new guy?

MOD - pls delete my account, cant stand seeing dog fight

LOLzzz

One Shot, your just a typical Syrian… typical Syrian Joke… and I will be posting a loooot of them…

LABBBBAYKA YA BASHHAAAAAR...

Elaph… you think it’s all about sitting around a table and sorting things out… it’s that much easy?!?… the Lebanese people are struggling to live a descent life in a way or another, and still survive just by faking things in their brain… Lebanon is a no man’s land and I am sure you couldn’t and wouldn’t survive a second there… anyway I will just tell u few things to spare me ur comments and philosophy…

The 1st big problem in Lebanon:

Are the 600 000 Palestinians living on Lebanese ground in camps (military zones ready to explode at anytime), Israel is obliging Lebanon to give them the Lebanese nationality (Saudi Arabia supports that at 100%, because the Americans oblige them to do so, themselves obliged by Israel) cause u can imagine the nightmare for the Israelis if these 600 000 Palestinians were to go back to Palestine/ Israel?!?

As for The Sunnites Lebanese, and I’m talking about the Hariri fans.. (sponsored by SAUDI ARABIA) , they want this thing to happen Cause they think they will have another 600 000 Palestinians Sunnites who will become Lebanese= more votes=more idiots to fight= more power… and this way they will overrule the Shiites and Christians Lebanese.

The second Problem:

It’s the Hezbollah… (Party of God) pfffff and God now have a party…!?!? Anyway they are armed and dangerous and sponsored by IRAN and SYRIA… and are a constant and extreme danger to Israel!

So Elaph, as you can see it’s all about what ISRAEL decides!!!, and not for the Lebanese people to sit around a table, to sort things out!?!?

As for SIRYA, they are the biggest winners in all that… they are controlling Hezbollah and still present in each political Lebanese party, from Christians, to Sunnites or Shiites… + they still have their own army in the Palestinian camps…. they control the chess game, and will do anything to keep Lebanon and the stage it is now, which gives them more power once facing the Americans… Lebanon is their bargaining assets once facing the US…

Finally, God Help all the Lebanese people from any religion, party… and enlighten the brains and souls of some, and help the ones who are just looking for a better and descent life.

i can't tell who you are ..."yet"

but if you are Lebanese, then please return back to lebanon to build it, not to show off with your rental Hummer.

not to kill each others by "ID" and "where are you from? question".

in syria, we have religions more than your lebanon , but thank god we didn't start the civil war yet, maybe we are waiting for US invasion.

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if you are another angry ID from yesterday, skip it man, i consider QL like family , even brothers fight with each others.

let me just comment about the

"zero culture"

i just want to mention that syrians among all the arabs are the most people who read.

we have inventors, poets, well educated people.

that is why singers ratio in syria is not that much,compared to other arab nations who are fighting to increase the number of singers and dancers.

we have one problem , which is language problem.

we study and read in arabic only , which make it difficult for us to communicate with others.

i don't know who you are since your first comment was to attack syrians.

man , if you read well , i am not the one who put the three types of Lebanese here.

please read above,even when i mentioned , i mentioned the good people i met.

but your anger blinds you from commenting well, so tell me what education do if you tracked my profile and saw a syrian , and you couldn't prevent yourself from commenting blindly?

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peace.

really ? these cultures you are talking about were trained,funded by your tax money,west countries don't run charities , wake up, with every dollar in help there are 10 in return, get real, your billions of help aren't for free,but for a heavy price,but as usual you have one single naive perspective of world politics delivered to you by your fox news channel. Iraqis weren't killing each others before your invasion, Lebanese weren't killing each others before that cancer called Israel was estabilished by your western goverments, your countries are fooling you by pretending to help and giving aid, it's pure business, the more wars we have, the better it gets and more jobs are there,shall I remind you of patrice lumumba? I guess no need because you have no idea...

the bombs that explode in the muslim world everyday use thousands of more weapons and explosives than were every shipped out of the west...

AK47s are not from the West...

explosive vests are not from the West,,,

these cultures kill their own by the thousands every year....and it has nothing to do with the West.

In fact, the West contributes aid to these countries and cultures in the billions of dollars every year and still they live in absolute poverty of mind, body and spirit.

Its terrible, and most likely never to end...

it's a terrible shame the west main industry is arms and fueling it, shall i remind you of Iran contra affair and the Israeli involvment in Lebanon? no need because you are just a pathetic ignorant fool

I guess I must have missed something.

I thought that there was only a couple of factions that killed people.

Its a terrible shame that the Middle East's main industry is death.

You are such an idiot and your comments indicate your hatred,Syrian,Palestinian,Lebanese you are all share common heritage, you better sit, work it together,form a confederation or something instead of fighting each others,to my knowledge it was Lebanon who asked Syria to get it and it was Syria who paid the price and lost many of their Army personnel and equipments and to my knowledge the west and Israel was benefiting from this all, wake up and smell the coffee

and I meet Syrians daily: all of you have 1 stereotype only: zero culture…greasy hair (using car lube oil)… stinking perfume …dressing code from history… shoes from Sinbad time…don’t dare to express themselves in anyway cause they will be slapped by their regime, even if they are in Qatar” SKOUT WLA HMAAAR”… Wannabe Lebanese in anyway possible.!!! LABBAYKA YA BASHAAR!!!

lol,edifis.

you are 100% right

my experience,i only met 1 man from the third type, 66 years old , very decent and good .

but sadly the rest are from the 1st type till now.:(

3 Types of Lebanese:

1) The type with 5kg Hair oil/day, always shrugging their shoulders as if nothing matters Save their Frenchh fashion!

2)The Hezbollah: Always thinking "these people are destroying our Country" We should make like Iran. They need more guns to kidnap more.

3) The decent type: "What to do we are the minority, the rest are good for nothing kickass type"

I love the Lebanese "Shoo Khassak" attitude

I agree with Sir Dolly

As a Minister said yesterday - "Prime Minister Saad Hariri should choose between Beirut and Washington and between Beirut and any other capital"

I do not see anything new about this.

and that cycle needs to be broken, one factor or factors has to be removed to change all that.

Lebanon seems trapped in a cycle of turmoil that it can't break. So sad.

Lebanon seems trapped in a cycle of turmoil that it can't break. So sad.

Hey Brit, that is true, but i beleive our government has long collapsed since the 1974 civil war. Many of the Lebanese since then immigrated to other countries as it was no longer economically and politically stable. What you find now is corrupted rich leaders seeking power, control, and personal benefits. During each and every election they buy their votes from the helpless citizens and the loop goes on until this day...So this government Collapse news didn't add anything to the miserable situation because it has already been absent from the people and country's needs for decades.

ohhhh, ok we will wait :P

until the civil war to start.

one_Shot!!!

Lebanon has yet to see policitical stability post civil war...

it will always like this.

i think it is the time for us to involve again ;)

eh man, thanks for worrying but please don't...we will fix it between each other...lebanon went through tougher days and as usual it stood up and continued...the people are the closest to each other now...no place for civil war at all...sure few intruders will come and try to light things up, but they'll be faced with everyone else!

a conflict with israel (the regime not the jews) will take place eventually...whether today or tomorrow there's no escape of it...as for me i want to drive to "beyt lehem" and pray in the church of nativity...i really think its about time to do so!!!