Can someone please tell me how are the engagement/marriage rings in Islam? Is it like the christans without stone for both or women ring is different? Thanks in advance for any help.
Alrighty Brit, and Platao I actually asked my friend who is married to an Imam, here is what I got from him.
He said circumcision is one of the “Five things are part of the fitrah (natural disposition of man):circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustache, cutting the nails and plucking the armpit hair.” (Saheeh).
He also said that if a convert CAN be circumsized he must but if there is a medical reason or he is advised he should not than he will commit no sin.
PM, I am sending you a PM :). I am curious about something and want to know if you know anything about it.
in another word its stinks more often, of course thats if your not clean about it. It is healthier though to leave the foreskin intact because it protects the head. But if you leave it uncut it doesn't grow as big as a cut one! lol.. ok I'm making that one up.
I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.
it's a tradition in most Arab Countries except Gulf Countries. we don't wear rings. It's not included in our "Shareaa" (i.e. Islam marriage instructions)
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Well from my understanding is that it is cleaner and healthier in terms of urination and intercourse, and prevents infection. I rememeber when my teachers little boy developed an infection, she said she was advised by her doctor to get him circumsized. She then got both her boys done.
Im sure this is one of many reasons. However if anyone else can elaborate I would also like to know other reasons behind this.
Hi Uk Eng, well Im glad that you are awake obviously not wide awake!. I totally agree with you that this is not an Islamic thing if you re-read what i wrote it was quite clear "Obviously this is not an islamic requirement" I think I should have mentioned that many of us British Pakistanis/ Indians have adopted wearing rings.. nothing wrong in that!
Even in Pakistan and India I have seen muslims wearing a ring! More to do with getting engaged Id say.
I think its more of a customery thing to have a ring. I dont even think many of us associate having ring to do with Islam!
But then again saying that my brother is exchanging rings on his civil wedding!
However, would say that I have never seen anyone present a ring on their Nikahh thats for sure!
this union is doomed from the beginning! If Platao is so serious about this marriage, he will not asked all these questions. Those doubts will bring this marriage more trouble that good things. You have to FOCUS, Platao, FOCUS!!!!!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
The poor boy already has the daunting enough task of conversion and a wedding ahead of him, I know everyone means well, but hows about we leave chopping his willy skin off till AFTER the ceremony. :P
can i remind others, as well as myself that although we call to the path of ibrahim (as), lets call to the tawheed part first and the rest later!
lets get him through the door of islam as that is far more important before we start pushing him towards the circumcision clinic door which should come later.
platao, can i ask why you are waiting to say your shahadah and why you dont go ahead with it now?
marry a man who did not go thru it.. It is compulsary for men not just a Sunnah.. Ok I may not be a Shaikh or aalim but as far as I remember, there are 7 things which are related to personal hygiene and one of them is circumcision.. Besides that, all Muslim men and women are supposed to clean hair from underarms and private parts, cut their nails and keep them short.. There are few other things but I don't remember.. As I said, I am not that well informed about Islam as I would like to be.
Depends on the culture of the country you may exchange the ring may not does not matter.However circumsizing for male is obligatory in ISLAM for men, for information of all Non Muslims.
Cartier wedding bands - engagement rings "LOVE COLLECTION" are sweet. We wear them all the time. It is a symbol of our commitment to the world around us. Nothing religious.
Congratulations - Platao36 ..!! I wish you a long and happy life in Islam and in Marriage.
They wont ask for anything about this, and you will pay for it (you can get it done in Morroco pretty cheap). The only concern may be your dear wifes reaction to you being uncut.
why, will they asked you if you are or will they look at it. Will it affect your service to Allah if you are cimcumcised or not? As you always claimed, eventhough you will "revert", you will stay "Deist". Circumcision is cultural and not a compulsory religious thing.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Regarding the rings, my fiancee told be it could be white gold or silver, so that was why wanted a confirmation, i'll go see if is there any way to prevent circuncision ;)
Btw, if it's a cirurgical intervention, who'll pay it? me?
When i go to Islamic Court will they check it?
Anyone knows what documentation they'll ask for?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Circumcision is obligatory for all Muslim men and as far as I know, it is even practicsed by Jews and Christians. I remember in one episode of Sex and the city, Charlotte (who happens to be an Epascoplain Christian character)who got really taken aback when she found out one guy was not circumcised and she discussed with her girl friends and they all advised her to go ahead. Some of them said they have had experience with non-circumcised men.. So from what I gathered fromt that episode, American Christians also get circumcised..
they look after new muslims and those interested in islam and will be able to guide you much better. i am not saying you won't get good advice on an internet forum, but sometimes it is better to get official advice as well from those who are actually in the job of doing this work.
right... circumcision.
it hurts, not the operation because then you get pain killers, but i nearly passed out first time i went to the toilet afterwards but look on the bright side, at least we get pain killers! (though opiates are a bit OTT, paracetamol is normally enough) the prophet Abraham (upon him be peace) did himself whilst he was elderly some say with a sharpened sea shell, now that is being a real man!
interestingly, if you examine the history of the christian faith, the early christians who were followers of james, not paul and still followed the parts of the torah that had not be abrogated by JC (upon him be peace) would also practice circumcision and perform this on any new convert as well.
now the islamic rulings differ, some scholars say it is highly recommended if you convert to islam to have it done, others say compulsory if you are able to get in done without there being a serious health risk.
but the good news is if you follow either ruling you dont have to get it done right away, you can still be muslim and not 'get the chop' as someone put it, some wait years, i did as needed to get it done privately and took me a while to be able to afford it.
as some people pointed out, muslim sisters can have an expectation that their husband is circumcised and there is bound to be a little pressure from the elders in the community and in-laws once married to get this done (i think they do this to test your seriousness about the faith).
finally (because this is becomming a long post)...
i would recommend you dont delay on your reversion, none of us know what is coming tomorrow so if you are sure about islam being the correct way of life for you then go to your local masjid or to the fanar centre and they can help you out.
Oh....surprisingly I do know a bit about adult circumcision (just don't ask :P) You're looking at about 2 weeks of tenderness, and probably a month or two before you can *ahem* use it properly. So I recommend you get it done ASAP so there's no troubles on the wedding night ;)
Alas they are correct Brit, circumcision is obligatory. No worries Platao, my son was circumcision when he was 8 and it actually didnt bother him. I heard horror stories of him screaming when he went to pee and such but nothing. I took him out for dinner a few hours after the op, and he was playing on a jungle gym.
Platao, my husband wears a titanium band with silver detailing, very masculine and I like it far better than silver. I wear a diamond band, and sometimes I wear a diamond wedding set, depends on the mood. The rings signify little except tell the outside world you are taken.
As muslims believe in the Abrahamic religion. Most of the tradition, customs and practices in Islam are actually from the Abrahams religion, which is also practiced by the Jews. So as far as my understanding it is obligatory for all Jews and Muslims to circumcised.
By the way Jesus was circumcised.. Because Jesus was born a Jew.
I was under the impression that circumcision is recommended, but not obligatory for muslim males.. Perhaps someone can clarify once and for all..thanks
AliKahtoon..Ok Now I am awake.. The question being asked here is if the Rings are Islamic or not. Not what you or your family or frineds do.
This tradition like so many others are not promoted in Islam however many of the muslims nowaday have adopted them just like many other Christian customs. For Christians it is a must to have the rings on the marriage ceromony without them the ceromonay is not complete, however this can not be said about an Islamic marriage. Rings are not obligatory requirement for an Islamic marriage.
I got married islamic tradition, there was no exchange of gifts except my dowery. But, according to the countries laws we had to also had to have a registered marriage at which time we exchanged rings. The rings we exchanged were silver, and we had a jeweler make them both the same. It also turned out to be cheaper to do it this way.
Good Luck
I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.
Circumcision is obligatory in Islam. Its one of the requirements of being a muslim. Id be interested to know how many muslims are not circumcised... Ask any muslim male they will tell you that they are!
When my friend converted that was one of the first things he did.... go for the chop! Painful as it was for him at 26 he went through with it as he knew if he wanted to convert he had to do the deed!
I have to say he was brave. However he was on morphine for the next few weeks lol!
When i look back I always recall that moment of dread in his face when we all told him he had to do that lololo!
However he now tells us that was the best thing he ever did!
But my brother's getting married in two weeks and we are muslims both him and his wife to be will be exchanging rings. Obviously this is not an islamic requirement. However every single muslim I know wears an engagement ring and wedding band.
I dont know a single muslim female friend of mine that isnt wearing an engagement ring on their finger!
We are on the search for a platinum band for him as gold is forbidden for men and that includes white gold ( all that is is gold plated with rhodium to give a silver look) So if men are looking for a ring either opt for a platinum one or a nice Tiffanys sterling silver one!
Leatherface, no one said the rings were Islamic, we are saying that he can buy her whatever he wants, he noted it would be her Mahr and he was advised he is not allowed to wear gold. There is nothing Haram in this.
i take it from that you are muslim? are you new to islam?
if so you might want to pop into the fanar centre and ask for advice there, they offer support for new muslims.
to answer your questions, the islamic marriage ceromony can take place anywhere, its requirements are the proposal and agreement the man, the acceptance by the girl and her wali (guardian or his representative), the payment of the mahr (be it a ring or otherwise) and the witnessing of all of the above by two witnesses.
getting it registered is important, but in the eyes of Allah the nikkah is what makes you man and wife, not the registration.
as for the brides presence, it isnt required but helps a lot, her representative should be there though and if she isnt then the two witnesses have to travel with him to see her and make sure she has accepted and not been forced.
there are other add on bits that make it nicer and are from the sunnah, but what i have described is the strictest parts needed to make the nikkah valid.
Guys n gals....please don't spread misconception about wedding ring in Islam. A few weeks ealier, i heard this heard in Friday sermon at the "FANAR" in Doha. There is no mention of exchanging wedding rings in Islamic marriages. It was termed as a religious innovation (biddah) by Prof. Bilal Phillips during the sermon. I was unknown about this earlier but would certainly let people know the truth. As far as the "sunnah" goes, Mohammad (PBUH) used to wear a ring on his little finger but was not exchanged in any of his marriages.
Please correct yourself and take care while talking about Islam and its teachings. Today, Islam is perceived differently than what it actually teaches and stands for. Its infact a religion of peace and brotherhood whereas its actually seen as a religion of hate and terrorism. If possible, do away with this practice of "wedding rings" and follow the sunnah as much as possible.
Brit: Don't try to scare me ;) As far as i know only jews are circumcised :P
Amoud: Well, how many stars hotel are you looking for? If you come, drop me a pm giving contact and i'll go with you and hubby to show more about Lisboa.
We went yesterday to the Souq to see rings, it will be my mahr.
I'll be converting when i get to Lisbon :)
Dawud: Thanks a lot from your clarification. Do you know how it works the marriadge? I mean, when i go to an Islamic court, what will they ask for documentation? Can my bride go there and deal all stuff and i bring the papers 1 or 2 days before the date? I intend to make the civil cerimony (in islamic court) at Morocco and then the religious one at Lisbon's mosque.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
there is nothing in the text of islam to say this is an established sunnah (something the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did or encouraged).
As well as this, during the marriage process, there is no gift given at the agreemment to marry (engagement if you like), the gift is given by the man at the 'nikkah' when the marriage is contracted and can be a ring, other jewelry or gifts or even cash, the woman doesnt have to give her husband anything.
a ring makes a nice mahr (bride gift) as it can be worn but we shouldnt make it something expected, what is given for mahr can be anything the couple choose, in some cases a companion of the prophet muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) would teach his new wife a portion of the Quran he knew and she didnt and this was the mahr, other times jewelry was given and other times cash, the sister can really demand what she wants and if the guy wants to marry her he has to pay up.
Wow, congrats :) See I told you being quite means she is deep in thought.
Women love shiny things :) The ring doesnt have to be traditional euro style engagment rings, ask her what she prefers. If she doesnt want a flash ring you can go gold shopping together but all women like diamonds :)
Parabéns e Boa sorte!
PS... Can you recommend a good hotel in Lisbon? I love to sit and look at your "mini Golden Gate" and the Cristo Rei is amazing at night.
But woman ring can be with simple designs like small stones/diamonds preferably flat. Some ladies prefered simple coz ring with too much designs and stones could hurt their fingers. Why dont you show your lady with some catalogues?
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PM: Yes he did, ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Hya folks, i returned yesterday :)
Regarding circuncision, i spoke with my bride and she said that ain't obrigatory and she doesn't mind that i don't do it.
Dawud: I'm at Lisbon now and will convert during this month :)
DMS: "Those doubts will bring this marriage more trouble that good things. You have to FOCUS, Platao, FOCUS!!!!!"
ROFL
Brit: "Platao.. Please don't be daunted by all this. Convert first and take things step by step.."
Exactly. That's my idea.
Kenyaqueen: lol
Sorry that i took so long to reply :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Thankyou..
I won't ask any more questions, although I have a few..:o)
Alrighty Brit, and Platao I actually asked my friend who is married to an Imam, here is what I got from him.
He said circumcision is one of the “Five things are part of the fitrah (natural disposition of man):circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustache, cutting the nails and plucking the armpit hair.” (Saheeh).
He also said that if a convert CAN be circumsized he must but if there is a medical reason or he is advised he should not than he will commit no sin.
PM, I am sending you a PM :). I am curious about something and want to know if you know anything about it.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
in another word its stinks more often, of course thats if your not clean about it. It is healthier though to leave the foreskin intact because it protects the head. But if you leave it uncut it doesn't grow as big as a cut one! lol.. ok I'm making that one up.
I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.
Dawud, bro, click on Platao's name and then 'track' his posts.... Just trying to save you some time in remaking the wheel with him... =)
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it's a tradition in most Arab Countries except Gulf Countries. we don't wear rings. It's not included in our "Shareaa" (i.e. Islam marriage instructions)
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need to get rings on my 10 fingers. Hurry up send me your CV and Pic and Daddy number also :P
I'm still waiting for my answer..
Is it "sunnah" or is it "mandatory" ?
Well from my understanding is that it is cleaner and healthier in terms of urination and intercourse, and prevents infection. I rememeber when my teachers little boy developed an infection, she said she was advised by her doctor to get him circumsized. She then got both her boys done.
Im sure this is one of many reasons. However if anyone else can elaborate I would also like to know other reasons behind this.
Hi Uk Eng, well Im glad that you are awake obviously not wide awake!. I totally agree with you that this is not an Islamic thing if you re-read what i wrote it was quite clear "Obviously this is not an islamic requirement" I think I should have mentioned that many of us British Pakistanis/ Indians have adopted wearing rings.. nothing wrong in that!
Even in Pakistan and India I have seen muslims wearing a ring! More to do with getting engaged Id say.
I think its more of a customery thing to have a ring. I dont even think many of us associate having ring to do with Islam!
But then again saying that my brother is exchanging rings on his civil wedding!
However, would say that I have never seen anyone present a ring on their Nikahh thats for sure!
eeerrr why is circumcision obligatory????
We don't exchange rings in our marriage (i.e. Gulf ppl) coz this is not mentioned in our religion but Arabs do =)
Also, Men are not allowed to wear Gold, however they can wear silver but women are free to wear both kinds.
Agree.. Step by step..
Platao.. Please don't be daunted by all this. Convert first and take things step by step..
this union is doomed from the beginning! If Platao is so serious about this marriage, he will not asked all these questions. Those doubts will bring this marriage more trouble that good things. You have to FOCUS, Platao, FOCUS!!!!!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
The poor boy already has the daunting enough task of conversion and a wedding ahead of him, I know everyone means well, but hows about we leave chopping his willy skin off till AFTER the ceremony. :P
can i remind others, as well as myself that although we call to the path of ibrahim (as), lets call to the tawheed part first and the rest later!
lets get him through the door of islam as that is far more important before we start pushing him towards the circumcision clinic door which should come later.
platao, can i ask why you are waiting to say your shahadah and why you dont go ahead with it now?
Abu Abdillah
marry a man who did not go thru it.. It is compulsary for men not just a Sunnah.. Ok I may not be a Shaikh or aalim but as far as I remember, there are 7 things which are related to personal hygiene and one of them is circumcision.. Besides that, all Muslim men and women are supposed to clean hair from underarms and private parts, cut their nails and keep them short.. There are few other things but I don't remember.. As I said, I am not that well informed about Islam as I would like to be.
Brit: Thanks, i'll talk with my fiancee about it ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
OK.. I'm not trying to be awkward, but I have assumed that circumcision is a "sunnah" , but not mandatory..
Depends on the culture of the country you may exchange the ring may not does not matter.However circumsizing for male is obligatory in ISLAM for men, for information of all Non Muslims.
Thanks Pit Stop :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
DMS: If it's only a cultural thing, than i'll just ask my fiancee what she thinks :)
Amoud: What's the prob of being uncut? Sorry if i look kinda a noob but never had a prob for not being circuncised.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Cartier wedding bands - engagement rings "LOVE COLLECTION" are sweet. We wear them all the time. It is a symbol of our commitment to the world around us. Nothing religious.
Congratulations - Platao36 ..!! I wish you a long and happy life in Islam and in Marriage.
Sure they wont check your "willy" Platao :)
They wont ask for anything about this, and you will pay for it (you can get it done in Morroco pretty cheap). The only concern may be your dear wifes reaction to you being uncut.
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why, will they asked you if you are or will they look at it. Will it affect your service to Allah if you are cimcumcised or not? As you always claimed, eventhough you will "revert", you will stay "Deist". Circumcision is cultural and not a compulsory religious thing.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Think i'm getting scared ;)
I'm 37 :)
Regarding the rings, my fiancee told be it could be white gold or silver, so that was why wanted a confirmation, i'll go see if is there any way to prevent circuncision ;)
Btw, if it's a cirurgical intervention, who'll pay it? me?
When i go to Islamic Court will they check it?
Anyone knows what documentation they'll ask for?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Circumcision is obligatory for all Muslim men and as far as I know, it is even practicsed by Jews and Christians. I remember in one episode of Sex and the city, Charlotte (who happens to be an Epascoplain Christian character)who got really taken aback when she found out one guy was not circumcised and she discussed with her girl friends and they all advised her to go ahead. Some of them said they have had experience with non-circumcised men.. So from what I gathered fromt that episode, American Christians also get circumcised..
peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance platao,
as you are on this site i am assuming you are in qatar, in which case why not check out this place and ask for a little advice and help here?
http://www.qatarfanar.com/
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they look after new muslims and those interested in islam and will be able to guide you much better. i am not saying you won't get good advice on an internet forum, but sometimes it is better to get official advice as well from those who are actually in the job of doing this work.
right... circumcision.
it hurts, not the operation because then you get pain killers, but i nearly passed out first time i went to the toilet afterwards but look on the bright side, at least we get pain killers! (though opiates are a bit OTT, paracetamol is normally enough) the prophet Abraham (upon him be peace) did himself whilst he was elderly some say with a sharpened sea shell, now that is being a real man!
interestingly, if you examine the history of the christian faith, the early christians who were followers of james, not paul and still followed the parts of the torah that had not be abrogated by JC (upon him be peace) would also practice circumcision and perform this on any new convert as well.
now the islamic rulings differ, some scholars say it is highly recommended if you convert to islam to have it done, others say compulsory if you are able to get in done without there being a serious health risk.
but the good news is if you follow either ruling you dont have to get it done right away, you can still be muslim and not 'get the chop' as someone put it, some wait years, i did as needed to get it done privately and took me a while to be able to afford it.
as some people pointed out, muslim sisters can have an expectation that their husband is circumcised and there is bound to be a little pressure from the elders in the community and in-laws once married to get this done (i think they do this to test your seriousness about the faith).
finally (because this is becomming a long post)...
i would recommend you dont delay on your reversion, none of us know what is coming tomorrow so if you are sure about islam being the correct way of life for you then go to your local masjid or to the fanar centre and they can help you out.
Abu Abdillah
Oh....surprisingly I do know a bit about adult circumcision (just don't ask :P) You're looking at about 2 weeks of tenderness, and probably a month or two before you can *ahem* use it properly. So I recommend you get it done ASAP so there's no troubles on the wedding night ;)
I have no idea about rings and such, I just want to extend my Congrats to the groom-to-be. Congratulations dude, all the best :)
Alas they are correct Brit, circumcision is obligatory. No worries Platao, my son was circumcision when he was 8 and it actually didnt bother him. I heard horror stories of him screaming when he went to pee and such but nothing. I took him out for dinner a few hours after the op, and he was playing on a jungle gym.
Platao, my husband wears a titanium band with silver detailing, very masculine and I like it far better than silver. I wear a diamond band, and sometimes I wear a diamond wedding set, depends on the mood. The rings signify little except tell the outside world you are taken.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
As muslims believe in the Abrahamic religion. Most of the tradition, customs and practices in Islam are actually from the Abrahams religion, which is also practiced by the Jews. So as far as my understanding it is obligatory for all Jews and Muslims to circumcised.
By the way Jesus was circumcised.. Because Jesus was born a Jew.
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should be aware of all facts..
I was under the impression that circumcision is recommended, but not obligatory for muslim males.. Perhaps someone can clarify once and for all..thanks
AliKahtoon..Ok Now I am awake.. The question being asked here is if the Rings are Islamic or not. Not what you or your family or frineds do.
This tradition like so many others are not promoted in Islam however many of the muslims nowaday have adopted them just like many other Christian customs. For Christians it is a must to have the rings on the marriage ceromony without them the ceromonay is not complete, however this can not be said about an Islamic marriage. Rings are not obligatory requirement for an Islamic marriage.
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HE WHO DARES WINS
I got married islamic tradition, there was no exchange of gifts except my dowery. But, according to the countries laws we had to also had to have a registered marriage at which time we exchanged rings. The rings we exchanged were silver, and we had a jeweler make them both the same. It also turned out to be cheaper to do it this way.
Good Luck
I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.
circumcision depends if the woman wants to look at a sock or helmet.
Circumcision is obligatory in Islam. Its one of the requirements of being a muslim. Id be interested to know how many muslims are not circumcised... Ask any muslim male they will tell you that they are!
When my friend converted that was one of the first things he did.... go for the chop! Painful as it was for him at 26 he went through with it as he knew if he wanted to convert he had to do the deed!
I have to say he was brave. However he was on morphine for the next few weeks lol!
When i look back I always recall that moment of dread in his face when we all told him he had to do that lololo!
However he now tells us that was the best thing he ever did!
Im not sure how many muslims you know ....
But my brother's getting married in two weeks and we are muslims both him and his wife to be will be exchanging rings. Obviously this is not an islamic requirement. However every single muslim I know wears an engagement ring and wedding band.
I dont know a single muslim female friend of mine that isnt wearing an engagement ring on their finger!
We are on the search for a platinum band for him as gold is forbidden for men and that includes white gold ( all that is is gold plated with rhodium to give a silver look) So if men are looking for a ring either opt for a platinum one or a nice Tiffanys sterling silver one!
I have attended a few muslims weddings I did not see any rings being exchanged..Never knew that muslim actually exchanged rings..New to me..
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Nadt: Lol, i alredy knew about the "suffering" ;)
I already took her to choose and explained that, I, as a man, have no taste for choosing rings :)
Amoud: What about white gold?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Plato mabrook/congrats welcome to the world of marriage
Theres three types of rings that will complete marriage
1)the engagement ring
2)the wedding ring
3)the "suffering"
and theres no refund on the last one ;-)
Why dont you just take your bride to be out and get her to choose her own, makes both your lives easier
Congrats and good luck with your ever lasting search on Islam.
Leatherface, no one said the rings were Islamic, we are saying that he can buy her whatever he wants, he noted it would be her Mahr and he was advised he is not allowed to wear gold. There is nothing Haram in this.
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Dawud: Not yet, should convert when i get back to Lisbon.
So, the nikkah is paid at the marriage cerimony? I thought it would be at the Islamic court.
Sorry to make all these questions but i'm new on these matters :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
assalaamu alaykum platao,
i take it from that you are muslim? are you new to islam?
if so you might want to pop into the fanar centre and ask for advice there, they offer support for new muslims.
to answer your questions, the islamic marriage ceromony can take place anywhere, its requirements are the proposal and agreement the man, the acceptance by the girl and her wali (guardian or his representative), the payment of the mahr (be it a ring or otherwise) and the witnessing of all of the above by two witnesses.
getting it registered is important, but in the eyes of Allah the nikkah is what makes you man and wife, not the registration.
as for the brides presence, it isnt required but helps a lot, her representative should be there though and if she isnt then the two witnesses have to travel with him to see her and make sure she has accepted and not been forced.
there are other add on bits that make it nicer and are from the sunnah, but what i have described is the strictest parts needed to make the nikkah valid.
Darude: lol, wish you good luck to find 6 more wives to fill up your empty fingers ;)
Brit: I'll surelly post them, besides i do intend in going to Qatar to meet some folks, but 1st, need money for paying tickets and alojation :)
Leatherface: Thanks for your clarification, i'm feeling so happy that i can hardly hold on myself :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Guys n gals....please don't spread misconception about wedding ring in Islam. A few weeks ealier, i heard this heard in Friday sermon at the "FANAR" in Doha. There is no mention of exchanging wedding rings in Islamic marriages. It was termed as a religious innovation (biddah) by Prof. Bilal Phillips during the sermon. I was unknown about this earlier but would certainly let people know the truth. As far as the "sunnah" goes, Mohammad (PBUH) used to wear a ring on his little finger but was not exchanged in any of his marriages.
Please correct yourself and take care while talking about Islam and its teachings. Today, Islam is perceived differently than what it actually teaches and stands for. Its infact a religion of peace and brotherhood whereas its actually seen as a religion of hate and terrorism. If possible, do away with this practice of "wedding rings" and follow the sunnah as much as possible.
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Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
I was joking with you. As far as i know, circumcision is not obligatory on a Muslim male..
Anyway, good luck and hope you'll post a few wedding pictures for us all to see.
i have 4 wives and left are 6 ringless fingers.
looking for 6 more brides.
ANY ONE OUT THERE HELLO
Brit: Don't try to scare me ;) As far as i know only jews are circumcised :P
Amoud: Well, how many stars hotel are you looking for? If you come, drop me a pm giving contact and i'll go with you and hubby to show more about Lisboa.
We went yesterday to the Souq to see rings, it will be my mahr.
I'll be converting when i get to Lisbon :)
Dawud: Thanks a lot from your clarification. Do you know how it works the marriadge? I mean, when i go to an Islamic court, what will they ask for documentation? Can my bride go there and deal all stuff and i bring the papers 1 or 2 days before the date? I intend to make the civil cerimony (in islamic court) at Morocco and then the religious one at Lisbon's mosque.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
there is nothing in the text of islam to say this is an established sunnah (something the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did or encouraged).
As well as this, during the marriage process, there is no gift given at the agreemment to marry (engagement if you like), the gift is given by the man at the 'nikkah' when the marriage is contracted and can be a ring, other jewelry or gifts or even cash, the woman doesnt have to give her husband anything.
a ring makes a nice mahr (bride gift) as it can be worn but we shouldnt make it something expected, what is given for mahr can be anything the couple choose, in some cases a companion of the prophet muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) would teach his new wife a portion of the Quran he knew and she didnt and this was the mahr, other times jewelry was given and other times cash, the sister can really demand what she wants and if the guy wants to marry her he has to pay up.
Abu Abdillah
Ouch Brit... I dont even have one and your comment made me cringe...
White gold is still gold by the way... got nothing to do with the color..
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Wow, congrats :) See I told you being quite means she is deep in thought.
Women love shiny things :) The ring doesnt have to be traditional euro style engagment rings, ask her what she prefers. If she doesnt want a flash ring you can go gold shopping together but all women like diamonds :)
Parabéns e Boa sorte!
PS... Can you recommend a good hotel in Lisbon? I love to sit and look at your "mini Golden Gate" and the Cristo Rei is amazing at night.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
By the way, did you convert yet ?? You know you have to be circumcised :o)
If you are planning to have silver ring then I will recommend you to have white gold ring with some diamond.
I am telling you it will look awesome. Silver and white gold combination looks great.
Good Luck brother. Peace.
In Islam, men do not wear gold rings, so you would have to get a silver one. But for the woman, no problem. They love gold & lots of diamonds!
Aisha-Taweela
congratulations
Good luck and lots of happinness and joy for the future..
Bom dia Amoud :)
Well, i would say she said the magic word: YES
So, i'm so happy, we are setting things to get married in 3/4 months.
I had already been with her in February :)
So, i should get a silver ring 4 me and the gold one for her (this last with drawnings or small stones)?
I'll be converting when i get back to Portugal :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
No idea, never married.
bom dia :) Como está?
Your ring needs to be silver, gold is not permitted for men in Islam....
Whos going where? You going to see her finally?
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
But woman ring can be with simple designs like small stones/diamonds preferably flat. Some ladies prefered simple coz ring with too much designs and stones could hurt their fingers. Why dont you show your lady with some catalogues?
it is the same style..
its the same!...though Muslims wear it on their right ring finger during engagement period and switch onto left ring finger after marriage.
Please del, i double posted by mistake
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ