Maybe this will shut up all the idiots who have nothing good to say about Qatar's police and fabricate stuff.

Looking at the causes of instability and why there isn't peace in the middle-east is one thing. The middle ground - respect for other people's choices and decisions - disagreeing but not condemning because we won't/ can't understand - not trying to impose our values on others - maybe these are the things we need to look at.

Drawing this coversation to an end.

I can edit

Isn't this why there isn't peace in the Middle East, no one can come to any middle ground. My fault I suppose, for continuing this conversation way beyond my usual patiences level. The End

As I have stated, they really don't want you to emancipate them. Issues of voting, capital punishment, etc is part of a social system that you obviously can't agree with - others on this forum may do. But, again, you fail to qualify what you are saying by answering to what is being said about western nations and the indemic problems of society brought about by the delusion of freedom.

I rather feel that inequalities in Saudi or Qatar or anywhere else in the middle-east is abviously deserving of having the whole nation derided, in your eyes, but not so for any comparable social problems in the West, such as the fact that capital punishment is not unique to Saudi Arabia and the middle-east. Or the fact that Amnesty International does not point just to middle-eastern countries but has a lot to say about the so-called enlightened west.

Maybe we would like to ignore the millions who are well below the poverty line in the US, the most powerful and richest country in the world, because that wouldn't accord with our preconceptions and distortions/ prejudices of a world that we can't or won't understand. Maybe Enron and the financial scandals of the NHS (including where over a billion pounds has been wasted in unworkable computer projects that nobody appparently sanctioned) isn't enough to label those governments as officially corrupt!

Noone is saying that all is well in the middle-east, but get a perspective please!

some people are happy in so called "strict" countries.yes change could be made in every country. every country has it's problem. but i don't think it's right to call another country bad just because they run things different than what you are use to. i find it laughable when some people act like there is no corruption within the police force in the west. Los Angles police department was notoriously known for it's racism and it's horrible treatment of minorities. its easier to convict a minority of a crime in the US.

and when a minority woman gets raped by a white man it's nothing compared to when a minority rapes a white woman.the prosecutors try everything in their power to get a minority rapist convicted. but a white rapist oh well.

and what about the women who are getting beaten by their cop husbands. and she can't even report it, because the people down at the police station are her husband's buddies.

i think the bottom like is that this world is just filled with corruption. there is good and bad in every country and ethnic group.no need to point the finger at any particular group of nationality

Who can't vote, drive, leave the house (without a male), or get stoned to death for adultery or beheaded for various crimes.

That is repression.

Saudi Arabia could, no should have no poverty and be one of richest countries in the World, Its not because of the system in place there.

Unless you are a member of an opposition party or a woman then I very much doubt you would feel repressed.

If the Saudi's are aware of the inequality within their system why don't they do something about it.

They won't because they have over 2,000 members of a rather greedy family to feed, shelter and buy Yachts for.

And as the recent BAE scandal showed in the UK enough is never enough for them, they have to have more.

It's quite interesting how you mention 'repression' in Saudi Arabia. Repression according to western democracies maybe, but repression according to how Saudis view their own internal affairs, I think not. I lived there for 4 years and I can't remember a single time that I felt repressed, or any of my Saudi colleagues. We were very close. Not to say that it doesn't exist, but not at the scale and level often talked about.

If you are talking about wealth distribution or other social concerns, then the Saudis are as acutely aware of their own problems as anyone else. Not to labour on this point, but you do tend to look upon the middle-east as if they are in need of emancipation. That is not how the vast majority feel. Maybe us in the West need emancipation from our own very narrow viewpoints, and sometimes the prejudices that stem from it.

But I will agree with you that the US and the West shouldn't be seen as the cause for all of society's ills. Individually and collectively, we can all improve our situations.

I will, however, maintain that whole nations and people cannot be tarnished for the views and actions of some of them.

Aviduser, a genuine compliment I'll accept and thank you for. But I will reiterate that one does not need wealth to make a difference. It's all too easy to sit and criticise. It's the people who get up off their chair who change the world, albeit sometimes one slow step at at time.

It's been interesting discussing with you. I hope my point has been put across as I'm writing in English which is my third language. Perhaps we should debate in Arabic:)

I'll be watching out for those generalisations about Qataris that you make. Insha'Allah you won't make them anymore.

Must go...I've got to get ready for my next trip to help your Aids and crack babies. (tongue very firmly in cheek);)

I think all people want to be free, I don't for a second think that the any one with any sense would try and impose democracy on anyone who doesn't want it. Look at Iraq, the fundamental question I am posing is why democracy has never caught on in the middle east, why do the people not demand it. What makes them not take to the streets and demand that their voices are heard.

Or is the result people voting for a party that is patently not in their self interest such as the Palestinians voting in Hammas when they must have known the consequences of that vote.

Are the countries in the region scared what people would vote for.

I can't imagine the Saudi people really want to live under the repression of the Saudi Royal family but all opposition is repressed most recently under the guise of an internal war against terror. And who can blame them they do alright out of it no matter that they are corrupt and do not distribute wealth equally amongst the people.

The US/UK are far from perfect, 50 million americans live without health care, or below the poverty line. Certainly right now you could argue that the US is run at the moment primarily with only its own self interest at heart. Something that many regimes in this region know a lot about.

I feel since living here that the lack of introspection and self criticism in the region plus a tendency to blame Israel and the US for problems and the regional leaders easy targeting of these countries tends to stop people thinking that things could be better if they demanded better leaders, and full representation.

Diamond girl once again I have paid you a compliment please accept it. You are obviously a very proud and caring Qatari, an example to your fellow countrymen and women, if you can spread your message that you can have wealth and help others than Qatar and the rest of the world will surely be a better place.

Not having a dig at your country. I mentioned three people out of what is it 70 million? I don't generalise.

Do you not want me to mention anything about anyone who lives in your country?

That may be a slight retraction on one of your positions about the Qataris not knowing right from wrong. Thats good to see.

Aviduser, may I ask you, would you consider imposition of Western style democracy as the central premise for judging whether the middle-east countries like Saudi Arabia have reached the dizzy heights of a respectful society? That is, a respectful and free society.

The vast majority of Saudis don't want Western style democracy. They do want changes, but at their own pace and in their own way. Can you respect another society for wanting to do things differently. A few loud-mouthed journalists and so-called poets/ freedom writers do not represent the views of the majority.

Apart from that, have you ever wandered what those living in the middle-east might think of Western societies. They hear of paedophilia and child abuse, crimes of murder and GBH, domestic violence - all on an unprecedented scale. Oh, by the way, do you read Amnesty International reports on the US and UK and some of the condemnations they have to make on how prisoners are treated (in the US) or how too many children are below the poverty line in the UK.

How do you judge whether to tarnish a whole nation? On whose list does that nation have to appear? The UK and US appear on some quite damning reports from the various UN bodies as well. Is that sufficient to tarnish them? Obviously not.

You seem to think I am saying that you using your wealth and influence is a bad thing. I am not and my post praising you above does not mean to infer that.

I saying that you have used this for good and that is to be congratulated, I know you have not attacked me personally and have not accused you personally of doing so.

What you do is only to applauded and congratulated, however you are now having a bit of a dig at my country by mentioning the Aids babies etc. After all all this stems from me saying that kids here didn't know the difference from right and wrong. Not that the country was full of Crack addicts and degenerates.

No one has yet to answer the the questions I posed earlier in this thread.

I understand there are no easy answers.

Sucran, Jauntie!!!...how is the lovely purple butterfly today?

Aviduser, there's no doubt my money and influence have helped in some areas but believe me all you need is to put in some time and effort.

I may have used my wealth and influence in some situations but in most I use my TIME, SWEAT AND TEARS. there's no amount of wealth and influence can pacify a screaming baby going through the pain of detox after having been born drug-addicted, or calm a terrified woman who ran from her husband after he broke four of her ribs, fractured her skull and slit her from ear to ear, or keep alive a child in your arms dying from AIDS.

Those are all experiences I've had in YOUR country. But I don't think all Brits are bad. That would be a generalisation. If you are too scared to tackle some things in Qatar then you could very easily tackle issues in the UK or any other country for that matter via the internet.

I have never denied that Qatar has many issues to work on and deal with as has every country. I spend a lot of time working on some of these issues.

I have never attacked you. I have contributed to this thread. I have not generalised or used bad language or name called.

What I take issue with is the way you have generalised about Qataris. I am a Qataria so that means you have generalised about me yet you know almost nothing about me.

Do you feel strongly enough about issues in the world that you would be willing to contribute your time and effort to?

It's all to easy to talk the talk but another thing altogether to walk the walk.

I thank you for saying in a previous comment this evening that you made an unkind generalisation about Qataris.

Because I am paid well, have a free house love my job and have great friends here. I Live 5 minutes from work and own two cars. I like it here because it's a means to an end.

Wow the wonders of editing !!!

It means turning a blind eye to stupid drivers, locking up maids on the orders of their employers. Not investigating crimes against women,blaming expats for car crashes that are not their fault etc.

Doing any of these things makes you corrupt because you are not standing on the right side of the law, you are meant to protect and serve. That is being corrupt not "corruption"

Very eliquently put!

By the way, I'm not involved in this general 'discussion' nor wish to be, I just admire diamondgirl's convictions.

And congratulated for your work, I am taking nothing away from that what so ever. You have been able to use your wealth and influence to help others less fortunate than you.

I am not really in the same position, I am sure as an expat any campaigning on my part would result in pretty quick deportation, which is a shame. I must admit I do feel powerless to act, and that makes me angry. I suppose I have to live with that liberal guilt that for me to prosper here other will suffer, It bugs me sure but then I am hypocritical enough to put up with this guilt as the country offers me a good life for me and the family I am planning.

You have managed a balance between living a privileged life and giving back to people that are less fortunate than you. Again I cannot praise you enough for doing this. I can imagine that you have faced many barriers in trying to do what you do and your determination to help those people when after all you could ignore them is very noble and courageous. Particularly for a woman here.

I imagine you have faced many barriers and challenges in trying to set up and fund such organisations.

One problem I do have though is, you have attacked me for pointing out that these things go on yet organise a charity to help those effected by the things I mentioned. Odd. As you know more than others first hand what can happen here when poor people are taken advantage of.

Anyway not everyone can see eye to eye on everything, I accept that I may generalise but in the end I take my information from sources such as human rights watch, they give an overall picture.

Although I accept that the comment about not knowing right from wrong was probably not amongst their findings and was therefore an unkind generalisation.

umm...Aviduser...I haven't attacked anyone. And I certainly haven't generalised about entire nations like you generalise about Qataris. You've said on this thread that Qataris don't know the difference between right and wrong and don't seem to be taught it! Absolute rubbish! It is racist to make a statement like that about any nation.

Like I said before no-one rational would argue that each and every country in the world could improve in many ways. It's all very well to talk. Are you doing anything constructive about things you would like to change here? You say you are here because you are paid well, have a free house and two cars. Oooh, a real force for change.

I'm the kind of person who doesn't just generalise and criticise. I put my time, effort and money where my mouth is. I do this in Qatar and elsewhere. I work on groups here who discuss social change and political change. I donate my time, money and effort to the less advantaged in this country. In fact I work in your country to. I'm off to the UK later this week to follow up on some projects of mine there. One is about human trafficking where women are brought in and then enslaved into prostitution, suffering constant beatings and rape by their 'masters'. Another is a group of homeless shelters where women are housed. The majority of the women have been raped and beaten by men. Another is work on babies born drug addicted.

And I wouldn't have the audacity to say that all Brits are women beaters, rapists, drug addicts. But some are. Just like here. But I can see the good in society too. And I can see the people who are willing to put some time and effort into things they would like to change.

The difference between you and me, Aviduser, is that as well as talking the talk, I'm walking the walk. Oh yeah, and I don't slag off entire nations of people.

You obviously don't agree with my position yet you are attacking me for pointing out the facts in this region, again you have called me a bigot but not answered the question I posed above.

This country was recently voted into the bottom group of countries when it comes to human rights. The Philippines has voted on a moratorium on sending domestic help to the country until a minimum wage can be agreed.

Are all these people and organisations bigoted because they have reported on what is going on here, but I am bigoted for mentioning this. Surely these groups are tarring an entire race too. The reports are made on the balance of evidence and reports handed to them.

Popeye, there may be abuse of Children in the UK but was the UK voted into the bottom group of countries with regard to Human Rights. Nope. Do we have problems too yep of course. Have we a free and open society willing to confront and change what we see as unfair and unjust yes, does the Middle East really have these freedoms nope.

As I say I can't really see why you attack me for pointing out these short comings. Still I expect we will have to agree to disagree but the inability to answer fundamental question about the region leads me to believe that it is easy to attack than to be introspective and try and answer difficult questions.

Avid in nearly every thread I see you post in you make some snide remark about the locals or this country, how can you be surprised that others here believe you are a bigot?

As I say the Arab world lacks democracy, and basic human rights for all. I don't think its necessarily religions fault. Its easy in a repressed society to use religion as a means to an end.

In Saudi what do the ruling family use the religion for, restricting freedom. Why won't they let people be free. What are they afraid of. This is the misuse of religion. There is nothing bad in the Muslim faith but it has been hijacked for induvidual state's own gain. Saudi being the most extreme example.

Can anyone here tell me why in Arab Muslim countries democracy and freedom of speech are repressed.

Indonesia manages to have over 200 million inhabitants, a Muslim majority and an elected parliament. Its is often referred to as the worlds 3rd largest democracy. Why does this not happen here.

I am amused to note that I am called a bigot, perhaps in denial. I have never been called that before and if I was one I woulnd't be in denial about it. I think that perhaps there is a denial here about what is wrong with the induvidual societies in this region. Why is there so little self criticism and lack of self awareness.

If people looked introspectively at them seleves rather than attacking those that point out the inadequateness of their systems then that would result in real change in this region. A real force for good and cause for celebration.

I agree with everything popeye said.

Aviduser, no racist or bigot will ever admit to being so. You are guilty either by the words you utter, company you keep or your actions.

I'm glad you have clarified some of your positions. But, why do you continue to tarnish a whole race of people by what the 'bad' few do? Why don't you call the brits a bunch of child molestors - after all, it is very wide-spread here according to the RSPCC. Why not??

You only confirm your bigotted position by talking about escaping the strict Wahabi religion. It's their religion and it's what those who choose it want to follow. There was an interesting program on tv a couple of years ago where the interviewer was talking to women in Saudi Arabia. Again and again, they would all say that it wasn't an issue of religion, but of social change.

Now that you have said what you have said, the ball is in your court to clarify.

Aviduser, I, for one, am not a repressed female, my employees are not enslaved and my children are not raised by maids. Yes it may apply to some but it most certainly does not apply to all. There's room for improvement in every society, I think you would agree, but don't tar us all with the same brush unless you have proven evidence that suggests that entire nations of people behave in exactly the same way.

I hope you were being sarcastic about censoring the 'I word' gypsy...

It was a two parter, I hope you saw the second half it all turned out OK. The Albania Girl became a carer in Italy because the Italian authorities took pity on a single ex-prostitute and gave her leave to stay in the country. Would that happen here ?

Obviously the Mexicans In America faired worse exploited, not paid then deported. It was pitiful, but to be expected from America a country that seems to continually under estimate the contribution to society of Immigrant labour, see also the UK for that, read the Daily Mail.

Its difficult to articulate on a forum, I don't think Arabs are bad or nasty people they are, friendly, gagarious and generous but the lack of civil rights across the area coupled with a lack of democracy and the systematic repression of females does bother me.

Plus the rampant hypocrisy seen here really bugs me.

This is what I rail against here, but back to the original topic only 1 in 100 rapes ever get to conviction in the UK, we should be glad this girl received the justice she deserved I hope this sends a clear signal to ANY ONE thinking that such abborant behaviour is acceptable or in any way condoned by this civil society.

Cheers

e46 do not be confrontational. People may be upset. It is not family friendly.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

No aviduser I meant the program about slave labor that gave the US and the Moldovan woman who ended up in Italy as one example. Did you miss that or do you just watch the stuff about Arab countries?

This topic is not family friendly, it involves arguments and says bad things about Qataris. Also people are called the "i" word. Moderators please delete.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

Ha ha ha. He looks like a perfect little angel to me. You are blessed. What love children bring into your life, don't they? Little miracles.

yeah ... thats mine. You should meet him first , then you can decide wether he really cute.

No thank you ... i don't want anymore :-) ...

part of the job requirements and his only mission is to set on the bad guys to let them speak out the truth [before they die]. Running after them is not an option, would use the bowling ball technique to run after them, sorry ... roll after them. :)

Gypsy, funny how expats may be calling you a whiney expat. Have any locals called you a whiney expat if you criticise something...curious?

Novita, is that your son on your avatar? He is pure halawa, the epitome of cuteness. You should have more!!!!!!!

in the US. I think it is part of the requirement for getting the job. The average weight of Alachua county Sheriff's department is 213 lbs. Keep on dunkin' those donuts boys.

Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary. Mahatma Gandhi

ROFL!!! Well Novita I think the attraction between policemen and donuts is worldwide. (Hides under her desk and waits for everyone to start accusing her of generalizing. :P)

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probably because they can't call you whiney expat in Canada? Talking about policeman ... few days ago me and my son went to The Centre, and saw a policeman with a bit of 'overweight' walked out from The Centre with a drink. My son pointing out and said loudly, "Fat policeman, how can he catch the baddie"? I am really glad the police here don't speak much english at that very moment.

How come people assume that if you speak against the police here that you are somehow complaining about everything and hate this country. I don't hate this country, I love it here, I consider it my home now and would like to spend the rest of my life here if possible. That being said, I think the cops are crap and I would like to see them smarten up and whipped into shape. If I said that in Canada about the cops everyone would assume I was saying it because I wanted the best police force possible for my country, but here I'm just a whiney expat.

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What about you dude?

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The Qatari police doing nothing or what?

In my humble opinion, The Qatari police are doing their best to catch every criminals especially such case of rape/assault. Though in most cases stories are not being published in the papers. But whatever reasons behind this, we are still obliged to respect their system! I dont mind if the police is a dropout students or someone who does not speak & understand English, the most important is he can catch and locked up criminals!

BBC Reports:

"Police have smashed a global child abuse network which was co-ordinated through a UK-based internet site.

Global agencies, led by UK investigators, examined more than 700 suspects, including 200 in the UK."

Thousands of children were involved - abused and photographed. The RSPCC, in a radio interview today (BBC radio 4), stated that this was only the tip of the iceberg as far as the UK was concerned.

Where were the police when these children needed them? What are they doing now if this is just the 'tip of the iceberg'? Crime, corruption and injustices happen everywhere - including the UK, where it gets cloaked by criminals in positions of authority, sometimes working as family support workers, police, teachers - and abusing children, and the like.

Aviduser, you were quite direct when you said: "Most 5 year olds (except Qatari) know the difference between right and wrong." What a racist statement! Can you imagine someone saying that in the UK or the US - "Most 5 year olds (except blacks or indians) know the difference between right and wrong"??

Thanks, but i've worked out what you are saying - and it's bigoted.

Good aviduser, then there's as much corruption in the UK and the US if that's your criteria.

Did you not watch the program your employer broadcast a couple of weeks ago about slave labor?

You're so bitter about everything in this country I wonder what you're doing here.

Scottmcivor...in answer to your questions...the government offers English courses to locals who work in the oil and gas industry or other sectors where the language of business is English. This is not peculiar to Qatar. The world's language of business is English.

Qatar Academy is an international school. Within that Arabic native speakers are taught in Arabic medium in certain subjects. However there are hundreds more Arabic medium schools in the country teaching Arabic which is the NATIVE LANGUAGE OF THE COUNTRY. The majority of Qataris go to an Arabic medium school. some offer English as a second language.

Qatar University offers some great courses in Arabic medium. The government are continually upgrading this uni. I have a degree from there. The reason I studied in UK and US (and France for that matter)and obtained degrees is that I am a multi-linguist and I had mastered the languages of the countries I was going to study in. I wanted to challenge myself. I didn't rock up to those countries and expect them to teach me their language!

In the military Qatar is grateful to have the experience and expertees of expat trainers to help improve our military forses. what's wrong with that?

Many Qataris wish their children to be at least bilingual to help them have a better future in the international community. Again, what's wrong with that?

Do you have statistics to prove that the entire police force consists of high school droputs? Bit of a generalisation, don;t you think?

If you want to learn Arabic then you can do so. It will certainly be to your advantage living in an Arabic country. It may also take the arrogant edge off your writing.

Scott

Governemnt does provide arabic classes for expats working in government and semi-government sectors. In fact the admission

procedure for the course starting in October has already been

issued. ITs a three year course that they provide

Scott McIvor I am not talking about 2nd chances(which I am all for), this dude has 34 CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS INCLUDING the tearing of a 2 year old's penis and shooting a police officer, what more do you need to see from this guy before you decide he should be put away for good??? You're telling me you agree with the judgement? I am sure even gypsy would admit that this case was seriously messed up.

And are you even serious claiming I don't care about the poor? Where did I state that? Exactly I never said that so stop starting to make things up to make it seem like you have even a semblance of an argument. Nor did I say the police and conditions in Qatar are perfect, What I did say is that cops in the West are just as bad if not worst in a lot of cases as the Qatari police everyone bashes here.Don't put words in my mouth as you will only end up looking foolish.

Father Ted is a British tv show, not who I am. *rolls eyes*

We give a second to the criminals we don't make them more criminal minded. We believe that every person deserves a second chance. We don;t make innocents criminals by putting them in jails and deporting them. Here you will see lots of people who are languishing in jail just because their sponsors want them outta here.

Suppose you had a maid who did not give in to your indecent proposals and solicitations. You would deport her. isn't it.

There are many cases like these.. You just need to open your eyes and ears. Do you think giving someone 500 riyals as a monthly salary is fair.

You call yourself father. Father is the one who cares for his children and who has affection and symapthy for all but looks like you don;t give a Sh*t about the poor.

I should start learning Arabic but wait a minute there are more institutions in Qatar to teach English than to teach Arabic.

The Government is giving English classes to the locals in all the QP subsidaries. (Why not teach the expatriates arabic)

Why is it that everyday a North American University/College opens up a Campus in Qatar? (Maybe the Qatar Government doesn;t has money to upgrade its own university)

Why is it that the Government is trying to hire native english speakers when they demand more salary (Government wants to see all white no black, brown or biege)

Why did you study in the US and UK. Qatar university doesn't teach or you got a lot of money to spend?

You people hire people from the West to give you training. I have seen all the instructors in the armed forces are british and american.

Even the Qatar Academy's curriculum is in English.

Need I say more???

The Qataris are obsessed with teaching their kids English (tell me I am wrong).

If all this is correct then why does the police has all the school dropouts. Who needs brains in police?

If you have answer to all these questions let me know and I will start learning Arabic

I read today that in the UK only 1 out of every 109 alleged rapes brings a conviction. The government is now to review the laws regarding rape.

scottmcivor...why should the police force be fluent in English? Arabic is the native language of Qatar. Yes, there are many, many expats who don't speak Arabic but surely they should learn a few basics if they have decided to come and live in an Arabic speaking world?

I've come across expats who have been here for twenty years or more and they have about three words of Arabic between them. I find that rather bemusing if not ignorant. I've also come across many expats who have learned Arabic whist living here.

If you get into a situation where you need help you will find that a knowledge of conversational Arabic will help.

I think the onus is on the person to learn the language of the country they are in. Qatar in general does an excellent job of providing many services in English.

come to indonesia and you will find out what corruption is.

Isn't it ironic I was reading some news online today , and I came across this news story in Canada, just having posted this thread earlier today. A dude with a history of violence, such as tearing the penis off a 2 year old, and shooting a police officer (the guy has more than 30 criminal convictions), was out and beat the hell out of a caretaker and put him into a semi-vegtative state, and he won an appeal for his case and I quote what the wife of the now permanently disabled husband said, "This country is killing us". "I felt like a bolt of lightning had just hit me. I sincerely thought that those judges would have the sense to keep that man locked up."

Here is the link to the story: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070607/national/scoc_teskey

And here is a link to his number of convictions: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2005/02/28/ed-teskey-miller20050228.html

Can anyone here call this decision a justifiable one? And why was the guy still out having committed all those serious offences?

And to avid user, the corruption you mentioned is not limited to Qatar cops. You want to know what is corrupt? Is how more than 70% of blacks and hispanics caught with guns in California are to be charged with federal offences, in comparison to less than 10% of Caucasians. Do you know how many years in prison one can spend in jail for a federal offence??? I could go on and on about cop corruption in the West that would make Qatari cop corruption seem pretty tame in comparison.

At least you know people do just talk as if they have contributed any help more than the authority at all! People tend to complain a lot as if they know what the government do after all! same thing anywhere people expect too much! they want superman and spiderman's action in real life! when they know damn well heroes doesn't exist! :-0

Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig 2 graves...

Yes.

the whole police department is made up of people who don;t even speak english. Most of them are school drop outs. Do i need to say more?

aviduser you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The police here are among the least corrupt on planet Earth.

Had a robbery at our school. Lots of damage, we lost computers, money and other valuables. We caught the guy on CCTV. We had the bottle of milk he drank from. We even had a clear view of his 'girlfriend'! It wasn't the first time we had a break in.

Police said they couldn't do anything. Or maybe didn't want to do anything because, in our area, we probably didn't deserve the extra resources and manpower that it would involve.

By the way - I'm in the UK. Is it any wonder that 1 million of us live abroad now. And what are the main reasons for moving abroad - money, crime (or a lack of it in most other countries), weather and lifestyle change.

Don’t be so sure about it Ghina, most crimes being committed is not premeditated. Always take precautions.

Quite good in Qatar, Related to any other country the Crime rate is very low in here, you can practically leave your car doors open and a bag full of money, and no one will touch it..

I soo love Doha, SOMETIMES

Well for whatever reason she was ignored. They're leaving the country now because they no longer believe it's safe.

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Well that's the thing, I find here that unless they have hardcore proof of who the guy is they don't do anything.

Take for example my neighbour, they took this woman's glasses to the police and said the guys fingerprints were on them, the police said they had no way of checking fingerprints! I mean, sorry, but I know I had to get my fingerprints taken when I moved here.

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Yeah true gypsy, but that is the case for all crimes here not just assault, they only report after convictions, even for other criminal activities after charges have been laid. Reckless driving, drug trafficking you name it, they only report after the conviction, it is not strictly assault. If you meant by assault random gropings then those are MUCH harder to catch if the perpetrator is unknown, even in the West the majority of those cases go unsolved because of how hard it is to identify the dude and it not being considered as serious as rape. But if the dude is caught he gets punished accordingly.

Put it this way if woman was groped by an arab, what description could she give that could actually help the police 100% identify this arab? This is not a strictly qatar thing, unless cameras are installed every where, random gropings are just much harder to catch. In my town in the UK I know of 3 women who were groped by guy matching the same description, but we never heard of him being caught.

Sorry FatherTed, I mean assaulted but the guys weren't caught. The only stories you hear in the papers are the ones where the guy has been caught.

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Actually if you read the paper consistently you will hear of the assaults too, this is the gulf times not the useless peninsula. There was the american lady who was assaulted by the Iranian store owner, a filipina on the beach, an arab woman at a pharmacy, I could go on and on, these are just off the top of my head.

The point of the story was that they do take rapes seriously, not as most people here claiming they will just ignore it cuz 'the filipina was asking for it'.

I don't want to get into a debate about this, this is for informing purposes. I report the news, the facts. Take care.

But not as good as they should be e46.

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The cops are better than you claim Gypsy.

That's one jerk gone, lots more to go. I just hope they catch all the rest of sick people out there, step by step.

I have no personal problems with this country FatherTed, I love it, but I don't like to pretend it's safer then it is, or that the cops are better then they are.

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I already copy & paste it to my e-mail and sent it to my friends here in Qatar. a littel good news like this gives a boost of courage to the others who are still keeping their silence.

Again, thank you....

I agree PM, it is just really not good when visitors read these forums and presume the cops in Doha are idol folks who ignore all crimes, and it is unfair to them at all. Plus it discourages people who have been violated in way or another from seeking justice. Isn't it funny how those who constantly whine about the cops here will whine just about everything else in the country. They just fabricate stuff and make these outrageous lies because of their personal problems with their country.

Fine FatherTed, how come you never hear about women who have been simply assaulted in the paper? Why is it that the only time they ever publicize is when someone is being convicted?

And look at the story, there was no way they couldn't catch this guy, they didn't even have to go looking for him, she knew who he was. How come they never catch guys that they have to actually search for?

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I have read several incidents of rapists being convicted here, and even in the West not all rape cases are solved either, so be realistic. Unless you are spending your days with the cops here 24/7 you don't know what they are doing or not. Some of the smaller level guys can useless, but the higher ranked officers will take everything seriously.

Great one guy convicted, dozens still left on the loose with the police doing jack. :P

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