mommies jumping off bridges

ESL Teacher
By ESL Teacher

Now, what do you think of this.  In Canada recently a mother jumped with her two year old son off a bridge on to on-coming traffic on one of the busiest highways in the country.  Obviously, both were hit several times and killed.

 The reason-->apparently it was post-partum depression. 

Reminds me of the same story a couple of years ago where a women jumped in front of a subway with her 8 month old son.  Once again linked to post -partum depression.  Lets not forget the mom in  the US who drowned all five of her children in the tub.

 Now here is my query, how come you don't ever hear or see any such murder suicide stories in the Middle East.  Post-partum is not country specific so why aren't Qatari moms jumping into traffic with their children? 

 I don't know, I have never heard a story in my life  of such a thing happening over here.  I am just curious as to why.

 

What do you think? 

 

By anonymous• 18 Dec 2006 13:47
Rating: 3/5
anonymous

No bridges here for jumping, Jaidah fly over is not a good spot, lets wait for new friedship causeway.

PPD cant happen here cos mom's dominate even in labour room (poor Asian Midwives one must interview them,) 2. They have maids on your right and left, 3. Mom's are not 18yrs old, 4. every one knows depression is thousand times better than haram death.

By anonymous• 18 Dec 2006 09:53
anonymous

Parachutes and Safety lines with harnesses anyone?

I think the mommies were tired of bungy jumping.

By han19• 14 Dec 2006 14:04
Rating: 4/5
han19

in mentally ill women, the seeds of any mental illness is there long before u become a mother.....having a baby n the hormonal disco that results out of childbirth just acts as a trigger to bring up dead n buried problems.lack of self esteem, ambitions, controlling parents, tragic events etc are all issues that needs to be looked into.

any mental illness if left as it is...can result in severe pschycosis and other problems.usually starts with panic attacks.

whats strange about bi polar is when u are on meds u are sane...so they feel why take the meds and then they revert back to pschycotic and need meds again.

the problem arises when u are off meds for that short duration and all hell breaks lose then.

happy heart

drive safe cos someone is waiting for u at home

By ESL Teacher• 13 Dec 2006 21:22
ESL Teacher

wow I didn't know that Butterfly.

By butterfly• 12 Dec 2006 09:03
butterfly

yes, els, it is an devastating event...but who is it to blame, the person who commits suicide and takes the innocent lives of ther children with her, or the family who did not spot the signs of severe depression in the first place?

We must not forget that severe PPD and subsequently PPPsicosis are mental illnesses that make a mother incapable of taking care of her children, and the father and inmediate family must intervene before the illness gets any worse. These things, just as any other mental disease such as squitzofrenia (sp?) or bipolar do not come suddenly. THere are months or bizarre behaviour preceding an accute onset of psicosis.

Whilst a moderate postpartum depression is only normal and happens to a high percentage of new mums (not me, I was over the moon!!!) a depression that last for a long time and is left untreated is somenthing that the family must take very seriously and seek medical help. And do not forget that the mohter is severely incapacitated by her illness.

By ESL Teacher• 12 Dec 2006 02:05
ESL Teacher

Well regardless it's really quite unfortunate. And I can't imagine how the father of the child must feel. Even though it's a mental illness it would be pretty hard to forgive.

By han19• 11 Dec 2006 11:57
han19

hey treasures...suicide is haraam but we are talking of suicides due to a mental illness.

suicide is forbidden in every religion for that matter.

but that rationale does not apply here.

a person who has lost the ability to think right from wrong needs treatment and its no fault of his/her if they take their own life....instead the fault falls on the people around the person who have either ignored the problem thinking its just a phase which will go away or just dont want to accept it due to societal pressure.

ppd does sometime last for a month or two but anything thats recurring after 3 months is something real serious bcos by nature 40days is the norm recovery period for a newly delivered mother but they still give 3 months time for full recovery...if after 3 months the hormones are still going its own way...then someone needs to intervene.

this problem is nothing to do with west or east. its about teh mother and what the mother wants.and let me also tell you most of the time men dont understand the emotions of the wife who has just delivered.they cant understand why she can just cry at the drop of a pin or sulk for days when everything is nice hunky dory.its nobody's fault.....but as a husband,mother,or any close person living with the woman.....you will know how the woman normally is.........and any sudden change in behaviour needs to be looked into.prayers n family support help but most of the times u need medication too.

happy heart

drive safe cos someone is waiting for u at home

By treasures1234• 11 Dec 2006 11:41
treasures1234

i know it is kind illness and i know man can't and will not have imagine. but Isalm borhibt kill ourselves for problem happen for us.

in the westren world u aill find people killing them selves for many reasons but it is very rare to find her people killing themselves for problem.

any way for Postpartum depression in Qatar u do'nt have such thing or u don't hear about this because family taking care of mother and the kid i know one Qatari lady she spent 1 month after delivery can't look at her baby so the grandmother take care of the baby and family while mother sick

By butterfly• 11 Dec 2006 10:07
Rating: 5/5
butterfly

Please, give us an intelligent argument here ,please. Postpartum depression has nothing to do with Islam.

Postpartum depression is an extremely common illness for new mothers. I tends to subside within a week but in some cases it can last for months. Again, it tends to go by itself.

However, if it lasts for a long time and it is left untreated, it can degenerate into psicosis. This is when the mother feels suicidal and desires to harm her babies as well. It's rare, but its well documented and it does happen all over the world. Also, it is not exclusive to humans, it also occurs with most mamals!!!

That's nothing to do with religion or race, it's a mental illness.

Han is right, the chances of a mother becoming psicothyc is when she has no support so there is noone around to detect her unusual behaviour. However I would think that if it happens in Qatar, as usual, the family would try to hide the details and it would never go public. Just a guess.

By treasures1234• 11 Dec 2006 09:16
Rating: 2/5
treasures1234

Here you can't find such type of things because it is forbidden in Islam, and most of mom get support if they have problems either by thier families or by people around her.

By Charlene• 11 Dec 2006 03:54
Rating: 4/5
Charlene

In Canada most ppl are very family oriented, well at least mine and those of the ppl I know are. Family orniented in the since that there is lots of support there if needed and wanted With that being said, you have made a lot of good points here. All new moms should have a great support system in thier day to day life, it can make a world of differance for sure. I've had four children and have only experienced PPD once and even with that it wasn't too bad, what I mean to say is didn't have a bad case of PPD.

Charlene

By han19• 10 Dec 2006 19:41
Rating: 3/5
han19

i am not sure how life is in canada but here if u see they are more family oriented..like back in india...u wont hear such stories in india too.........

by family oriented i mean they live in extended families... so theres lots of support......its not just the mother dealing with post partum alone..........the family is very supportive during the post delivery stage...........bcos the signs of ppd are quite evident early on to near n dear ones.

i have seen ppd cases but not so extreme.

my mom wud never let me sit alone in my room bcos i wud be bawling off to glory for no reason.....anytime was an excellant time for me to cry but in private........if i wud lock my room she wud be at it until i opened it.initial stages of ppd like crying,high n low blues if left untreated can lead to something real serious.

a new mother needs a lot of comfort and love with her......no matter how many babies shes had.......and if once u have the tendency to have ppd...then u need to be more careful.its a overwhelming n helpless feeling when u have a baby n ur hormones r going nuts.everything can get crazy n if someone is not close by to detect or help it can get bad.this is where family plays an important role.

if u have noticed most of such cases involve women who are stressed out by their own immediate family issues like.....financial problem,spouse working late shifts, taking care of household alone,other kids or being a first time mom doing it all alone.anything can be a trigger.

over here moreover lots of things are kept secretive .........u dont get such sensitive info very easily...........having a sickness still carries an unfortunate stigma in places like asia n middle east.lot of things go on that we dont know of.

happy heart

drive safe cos someone is waiting for u at home

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