Mother of Believers' Recruiter of Human Bombs
A woman suspected of recruiting more than 80 female suicide bombers has been arrested, the Iraqi military said today.
The woman, who was identified as Samira Ahmed Jassim or by her nickname 'Umm al-Mumineen,' ('the mother of believers') was shown confessing in a video played for reporters at a press conference in Baghdad.
Dressed in an all-encompassing black Islamic robe, she described how she would persuade the women to be bombers, then escort them to an orchard for insurgent training and finally pick them up and lead them to their targets.
The mother of all believers: Samira Ahmed Jassim, pictured in a detention facility in Baghdad yesterday, has been arrested on suspicion of recruiting 80 female suicide bombers
She said she was acting on behalf of insurgents based in the volatile Diyala province, north of Baghdad.
Iraqi military spokesman Maj. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi said the suspect had recruited more than 80 women willing to carry out attacks and had admitted masterminding 28 bombings in different areas.
The number of bombings carried out by women has spiked even as overall violence has declined, and U.S. commanders have warned insurgents are actively trying to find more recruits.
The use of female suicide bombers is part of a shift in insurgent tactics to avoid detection at U.S.-Iraqi military checkpoints that have become ubiquitous in Iraq as part of increased security measures.
Iraqi women often are allowed to pass through male-guarded checkpoints without being searched, and they traditionally wear flowing black robes that make it easier to hide explosives belts.
Read the full story here -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1134976/Iraqi-woman-ni...
In case you haven't read the news lately the only people these female suicide bombers have killed in the last few days are Iraqi Shites - women and children- three such attacks in the last week; one went into a refreashment tent and blew herself up, where were the Americans and collaberators in this attack?
Eco posted the story in the link above
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Airsupply is becoming an expert on getting fast bans :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
It looks like I was referring to you as Airsupply.
He popped in asking god to praise this woman, for his usual various twisted reasons, then got banned and deleted again within 15 mins.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Adey and PM,
Sorry my internet is down right now and I am only stopping into an internet cafe to check emails...
Will respond as soon as I am able...
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=273002&version=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56
or saying that a vote of 99% approval is beyond the realms of possibility.
Who ever treats the statement, about god presenting himself as a candidate, as a logical construct about his power needa psychiatric help - as is proved by thinking they can call foe someones death based on a comment!
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
"Qardawee stated in a khutba, "Before I leave this station of mine (i.e. from giving this khutbah) I love that I should say a word about the results of the Israeli elections. The Arabs, all of them, were placing their hopes in the victory of Barleen, however he lost and this is what we praise about Israel. We desire and hope that our country can be like this country. Due to only a small number of people, the one who was actually ruling lost his position. There was not 94% or 95% (of votes) which is what we are accustomed to in our country, but 99%, (yes) 99%. If Allaah had presented himself to the people as a candidate he would not have been able to take this amount we welcome Israel for what it has accomplished "
Anyone want to help me? I mean, a guy's life depends upon it!
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
It did not matter whether he knew who the individual was and that is not the point I was making. The identity of the individual is irrelevant to my point.
If I call for someones death, whether I have the power to inact that or not, I am STILL giving my opinion that they SHOULD be killed. It's the attitude not the authority to carry it out that PM, and myself, were disturbed by.
I remember having this discussion before with you.
Peace
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Adey, no, it is not that I am being 'disingenuous'. The facts are that Shaykh 'Uthaimeen did not know who it was that made the statement and he merely pointed out the punishment for a Muslim who utters a statement such as this particularly on the pulpit.
While 'Uthaimeen was a Saudi who was on the lajnah da'eemah his opinions would have no weight on any courts in Qatar as much as a legal decision in America would in England.
PM, while you may be uncomfortable with it, Allaah sent his book and the sunnah to be utilized at a legislative tool for Muslims. And as you are aware, it was utilized in the time of Muhammad and likewise up to today.
My point in bringing this speech from Qardawi is to show that this man utters statements that should leave every Muslim with an understanding of tawheed with a mouth agape. A statement like this would never be said by an 'ulema, let alone a 'normal' person of Islaamic knowledge.
And my point to mention Shaykh 'Uthaymeen's speech was to show just how serious his statement was in regards to speaking of Allaah in ways that are not permissible for a Muslim to do.
Whether you dispute or dislike the legislative measures that have been revealed then that is for a different post in my opinion inshaAllaah.
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/banna.htm, to know who is Hassan al Banna clik the above link
You are being disingenuous, he clearly called for, approved and sanctioned death:
"And if he does not he should be killed as an apostate"
&
"And if not then the Wullaat ul-Amr should strike his neck (with the sword)."
He has already decided the course of action the Wullut-al Amr should take. It's apparent in his use of the word 'should'. Whether they agree or not is another matter.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
I corrected a typo and added a couple words to maybe make it clearer what the 2 individuals said.
Other than what I have done to try to make it clearer I am not sure what is unitelligible about it after reading it back again.
PM, Uthaimeen never called Qardawi an apostate. He was not told who the words had come from and he never put the threat of execution on him. As he states the Wullut-al Amr would be responsible to decide whether or not to carry that out or not.
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.
Regarding Qardawee then he has made many outrageous statements much worse than the ones on suicide bombings and detailed refutations of this man have already been written, such as "ar-Radd alal-Qaradaawi (Refuting Qaradawi)" of Nasir bin Hamad al-Fahad and also "Iskaat Kalb al-Aawi (Silencing the Hounding Dog)" of Shaikh Muqbil bin Haadee, and other works, both large and small in volume.
Qardawee stated in a khutba, "Before I leave this station of mine (i.e. from giving this khutbah) I love that I should say a word about the results of the Israeli elections. The Arabs, all of them, were placing their hopes in the victory of Barleen, however he lost and this is what we praise about Israel. We desire and hope that our country can be like this country. Due to only a small number of people, the one who was actually ruling lost his position. There was not 94% or 95% (of votes) which is what we are accustomed to in our country, but 99%, (yes) 99%. If Allaah had presented himself to the people as a candidate he would not have been able to take this amount we welcome Israel for what it has accomplished "
Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen said after Qardawee's words were played to him, "I seek refuge in Allaah. It is obligatory for this person to repent. And if he does not he should be killed as an apostate, since he made the creation more knowledgeable than the Creator. It is upon him to repent to Allaah, so if he repents, then Allaah forgives the sins of His servants. And if not then the Wullaat ul-Amr should strike his neck (with the sword)."
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
that post was unintelligable.
Could you abridge it and put it in form that makes sense.
seriously, I'm not being funny :)
I didn't understand a word.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Eco-Savvy, "its not the work of man, they are not thoughts/opinions of wise man. Perfect reveleation for mankind ". That's exactly what I meant. 1.3 billion believe what you say, 5.2 billion don't. And you therefore say they are wrong.
majority of them are part time believers
its not the work of man, they are not thoughts/opinions of wise man. Perfect reveleation for mankind
Do you fall into this category???
1.3 billion Muslims are right, the rest (5.2 billion) are wrong. It's as easy as that!
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
So your right, just because you intrepid the Kuran in a different way then others. I have read much more of this Quran then you might think. Call me what you will! but this is the way I see it as other might see it your way. Don't speak to me about misguidance, I think you are the one who is misguided. You got you brain shoved so far up your doodle and in the quran/bible that you can't see the real truth. These books are friggin written in the same manner any other book is written. These books were written by little old men with a dream of controlling our past, present and future. Do you really believe that because I don't understand the quran/bible they way you figure every one should that I am wrong in my thinking that these people are only following there crusade of terror based on what the quran and their leaders say. Where the hell do you think they got the idea to commit war on those who don't believe or accept. I think your the real DUMBBY! here abu.
By the way, if the way you are speaking to me on this forum is any indication of how a true muslim would deal with issues like these, then I think my ideology about the quran must be right.
I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.
no mother should be and will ever be of such kind what ever be the reason.
some in ql might feel otherwise but i beg to differ.
Nothing! this is the sad part,
We will continue to have problems such as suicide bombings until the day the powerless isnt persecuted, whether it be in Sri lanka, philipines, russia, south america, or the middle east
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"In my opinion, understanding the tragedy and injustice of the Palestinian situation does not justify leaving islam and engaging in suicide bombing....
I am tempted to comment as you threw this point.
PM, as long as there is a problem, the sitation is not understood yet...
Why don't you think that understanding the situation and condemning the suicide attacks should go hand in glove...
It's no good having 40 virgins if your body is not of flash and blood...what good is it? How could anyone promote this as God's command? Killing is wrong whice ever way you look at it!
and who perfected the art of bombing?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_was_the_first_suicide_bomber
I hope that you guys did read or know about this book written by the famous German Jürgen Todenhöfer.
The point is the truth is something that we do not know. And what we know is what the media wants us to know. Yu can google for the book or check youtube for a briefing interview with the author.
Bottom line. Islam is not suicide and terrorism. In Lebanon, following the Israeli invasion of 1982 and due to the war crimes of the Israeli army, suicide attacks were one of the methods followed in resisting the occupation. At that time we did not have Qaeda and we did not have Hizbulla. All the suicide attackers were coming from non-religious background or doctrine. Some were communists and they were not brainwashed. One of the famous Lebanese resistance fighters who followed this way was Sanaa Muhaidly who dressed herself like a bride and drove a car loaded with explosives to an Israeli checkpoint. That was her choice. She was given the title of the "Bride of the South" ===================================== http://www.qatarliving.com/node/58409
"Is This The World We Created! (queen) no it is not it is the world the makers of these books wants it to be."
KQ: thanks for the reference to my post ;)
"The western govts are brainwashing there populous by making them believe that they are justified in changing the governments in the middleeast just so that they can sleep peacefully at night"
Shuaib: what do you mean? oh, you are air supply, got it now :D
PM/Abu/Adey: lol
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
lol :P
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Lebanon... the love of my soul!
What's a home without a pet?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Posted, banned and deleted all in the space of 30 mins.
That's fast! :)
Let's wait for the next reincarnation, I wonder what it will be?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
She looks like a witch......thats my two penneth worth....
back to 'illegal' babies again.
I think Abu would argue that you wouldn't know Islam if it bit you on the ass.
Why don't you argue over what is permissable in Islam with Abu or Eco? Surely they are more knowledgable than non-muslims?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Airsupply
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
came straight to last page.
My only comment ( may have been said ealier - didn't read ) is:
If I looked like that woman, I'd rather kill myself than than use my dislike of myself to destroy everything beautiful around me as a punishment for my feelings of inadequacy.
OK I know the photographer put her in a bad light, but come on ... pretty ladies don't go around thinking their life is so worthless they should kill themselves, even in Bagdad!
Oh Shoot! I'm being naive again?
(Still don't think the majority of Iraqis would go along with this Lady).
there are always people in high places brainwashing the ones below them,
The western govts are brainwashing there populous by making them believe that they are justified in changing the governments in the middleeast just so that they can sleep peacefully at night
It seems that the educated few on QL are very disturbed by whats going on in the world,
Do something then, instead of sitting on ur behinds and complaining,
U know why these people become suicide bombers in the first place, u know the atrocities which these people face,
Even if Religion is their justification, and maybe all the ahadith which they claim as their foundation is a misnomer, but the events which lead up to their mindset isnt.
its a plain fact that these people are just out for revenge and in the process, they do not even care for their lives, because that is the extent of their hurt
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on women, I had to do a double take on this one. Listen I am not ignorant nor am I insensitive. I just like you and whats her name have an opinion on things. I have read your posts in some of the forms before your choice of opinion and words are not always the most sensitive eighter, no matter the subject. I said what I said and I stand by it. I put it plain and simple because that is what is in my head and the way I see it. If you feel that I shouldn't have an opinion or a choice of words then you are the ignorant and insensitive ones. I maintain that this kuran and the bible are books made up by a few little old white men, excuse me the kuran was made up by a few little old arbic men. The quran especially is degrading to women all way through, and it promote war. Is This The World We Created! (queen) no it is not it is the world the makers of these books wants it to be. If your too stupid to beleive that then you are the ignorant one and insensitive one. how in the hell can you condone people being slaughtered, starved and stripped of their dignity.
I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.
At least it proves that there are high level professionals who works for the excellent organized brain washing death machine, which makes young people to die…
that’s why I always say, these bombers are as the same poor victims as people they blow! Some bloody "Mother of Believers" once came into their lives, “recruited” them, “persuaded to be bombers”, “trained” them, and finally “picked them up and led them to their targets”.. sounds like someone is playing with the robots toys…sad!
So stop performing the same song: “people blow up themselves when they have nothing to loose”. NO! People blow up themselves when some criminals take a full control over their mind, their psychic, their souls and start manipulating their lives (or their death, I’d say?)
This bloody death machine must be stopped and destroied in the first place.. then maybe we will see the lights at the end of the tunnel…
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“You become responsible forever for what you have tamed”. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I will private message you evidence from the 'beautiful' religions to the contory.
:)
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
PM/Adey: i think all religions are beautifull but all get spoiled by extremists
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
So tempted, but..........I won't get into how the present book is a 6th, or at the very least 5th, hand transcription of the 'word' of 'god'.
Anyway to try and compound kenyaqueen's point in a less reactionary way, I would say that anyone that takes their moral stance from only one source is leaving themselves open to manipulation from those that can use that ignorance to turn, what are to be honest, very unclear statements to their own twisted ends.
And she has a point in that why are all religious texts contradictory and muddied?
But she is just the other side of the coin, if I remember correctly, in her deluded Xtian world view.
Cats & Pigeons - :D
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
the few men who un thoughtfully created the Quran a very confusing book if you ask me. I feel like it give them the right to be have like this!
I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.
"I, on the other hand, have faith in Allah and believe that he will reward those who suffer unjustly in this life. It is not for me to leave the path of Islam to seek that reward in this life"
PM,
To be logical, Why God created Satan to mislead humans? Isn't it some sort of injustice? I think definitely not because He also gave us the strength to fight satan. Then, naturally, God wants believers to fight injustice and establish justice. Would you then expect believers to endure the injustice quietly?
Hence, it is not tough to derive justifications.
I don't want to prolong this discussion but there is a need to understand terrorism than fighting it alone..
PM "I would say suicide bombings are more than unfortunate. I would say they are evil and abhorrent."
Well PM, I call them unfortunate because they are the weapons of helpless people. When people find something useful, they start finding justifications for the same. Hence, no wonder suicide bombings found justification among those who have no other way to defend. We obviously cann't justify the same because we don't experience an iota of what they suffer. Otherwise who gives life willingly?
Hence, instead of fighting the terrorists, it is opt for the powerful to address their plight. I, however, condemn suicide bombings where innocents are targeted.
dont mind, I love everything about Azhar lol
President Mubarek (of Egypt), Sheik Tantawi (of Al-Azhar University, the foremost Muslim leader in Egypt) and Baba Shenouda (the foremost Christian leader in Egypt) are all in a plane together. Mubarek finds one Egyptian pound under his foot. He picks it up and thinks, hmm, what can I do with this? So he asks Sheik Tantawi, "Oh Tantawi, I found this pound, what should I do with it?" Tantawi says, "you should get two half pounds change and throw them out of the airplane window so you can make two people happy." Mubarek thinks to himself, oh this is an excellent idea. Then he goes to Baba Shanouda and asks, "O Baba, what should I do with this pound?" Baba Shanouda says, "get four quarter pounds and then throw them out of the plane, you will make four people happy." The President thinks to himself, O this is an even better idea. Then he turns to the flight attendant and asks, "I have this one pound, how can I make the most people happy?" and the flight attendant says, "O President, you should jump out of the plane and make 70 million people happy."
But unfortunately I did not notice any answer to Alexa's question or comment about eternal hard-on. We know recently that a Pakistani guy was raped by 3 ladies for 4 night and he was hospitalised coz of that. I cannot imagine how to handle 72 or 80 girls.
Anyhow. Somebody whispered to me that the word "martyr" is not mentioned in Quran, hence it has no Islamic roots or basis.
===================================== http://www.qatarliving.com/node/58409
http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm
why they chose Madinah uni instead of Azhar, Why do Egyptian go to Yemen?
Dr. Qardawi is not dictating his fatwas in Qatar, alhumdullilah our auqaf board is very powerful. I have not come across any preaching of Dr. Qardawi in Gulf times Islam page.
May Allah protect salafs ameen
and i dont know who gave him the name THE ISLAMIC WELL KNOWN SCHOLAR.
You are bringing a spark here to blow up...
Response is useless....
PM, I am not justifying suicide bombings. I am just against to linking Islam(religion) to suicide bombings.
Suicide bombings were started by LTTE and later adopted by muslim outfits to support their cause. Those who adopted, started using some sensitive teachings of Islam to get recruits to their cause. Hence, suicide bombings are politically driven than religiously. This is my understanding. Anyway suicide bombings are unfortunate for any society...
Blabla: Like Adey just stated, i don't think she worked alone but she could always have said no to the extremists that recruited her to do that work. The world is already too full of hate, to the guns, reply with a flower.
Make love, not war
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
what are the people in power are supposed to do? I would say maintain the rule of civilised law.
I am aware that the woman did not work alone, I never suggested she did. She however was caught so I just suggested a suitable punishment.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Adey, plato,
I said the discussion returned to beginning because Adey, having read all my posts, went on to blame that lady alone without addressing what the people in power are supposed to do.
PM, why do you think religion is the driving force behind suicide bombings? Which religious support the so called Tamil Tigers have to engage in the same? What causing TTs to blow up themselves and don't others have the same reasons to die for? Why bother about what religion they practice? Why not try to understand the root cause of such actions?
"Analysis highlights the inherent complexity of the situation, of which religion is only a supporting element of tension. Along with the spiritual component, the Sri Lankan civil war is also an ideological, economic, socio-cultural, and ethnic battle."
http://billboiani.com/resources/Sri+Lanka.doc
And some further homework for you :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Sri_Lankan_civil_war
http://www.phoenixcommand.com/srilanka1.htm
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
have to disagree, theirs is an almost exclusive nationalistic dispute and do not invoke religion in the very act of blowing themselves up. Whereas Arab bombers mostly do(whether it's a distortion of Islam is irrelevant as far as their motivation is concerned)even though it can be argued that theirs is also a nationalistic dispute.
I know that christian Palestinians are involved in the struggle for a Palestinian state but I don't know if any have engaged in suicide or misguided martyrdom operations.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
PM/Addey: I also never heard anything about the Tamil Tigers using religion as an excuse to fight.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Because Eco, although the results are the same the motivation (whether you think it haram or not) also includes a different, added dimension.
Also the bombers often cite the need for invaders/crusaders to leave Muslim lands - thus they themselves overtly declare a religious reason. Corrupt or not they mention Islam, the tigers do not mention or invoke their religion. - This is why everyone 'thinks of Islam' when these atrocities occur.
From the Psychiatric Bulletin:
“In the case of the Tamil Tigers, though of Hindu origin, their motives, though nationalistic, have not been essentially religious……
A senior Arab psychiatrist in Gaza, Dr Eyad El-Sarraj, in an unpublished study quoted in a British newspaper (Silver, 2001) concluded (in reference to Arab bombers) that religion was a crucial, but not the only, reason for the phenomenon of martyrdom….
Prior to the ‘suicide’ bombing, a celebration would be arranged, which would be videotaped for subsequent display in a form resembling a religious ritual to sanctify the martyr before his community…..
…a moral and religious imperative based on it being honourable to die for God's cause in the face of oppression….”
http://pb.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/26/8/285
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
no one has blamed their religion yet. When corrupt muslim
blows up, immediately we think of Islam
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29096894/
Adey: lol, it's easy to call inocent to the palestinian killed but when civilians are target in Iraq, it's a conspiracy and those civilians aren't inocents, tssk tssk
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
neither do I, but then again perhaps my naivety blinds me to the fact.
:)
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Lol Adey. i just don't understand how your replies have taken us back to the beggining of this post, waiting blabla reply
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
it's back to the starting point then I guess this raps this thread up then, doesn't it?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Blabla: What do you mean?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Adey, you are coming to the starting point of this discussion! You naive guy.
it would be best to keep her alive as long as possible in a small dark cell with no access to her 'religion' at all. Through some 're education' or 'brain washing' let her come to the realisation that there is no afterlife to 'rejoice' in, and even if there was it will be the fiery depths that she will inhabit - and let her think on that (and the fact she helped others end their lives- the bombers and their victims) for a very very long time in her cramped captivity. I would say "may she rot in hell" but as I don't believe such a place exists then she should suffer in this life - death is too good for her.
This all presupposes that her confession is accurate and true.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Well, this happense due to misinformation and sectarian conflicts. Nevertheless, all sorts of voilence are condemnable and the same should be understood by the terrorists and those in power alike.
again today two killed by a car bomb directed at religious pilgrims - the americans have not lost many soldiers for ages. Iraqi on Iraqi violence far out strips any attacks on 'those that imposed the war'
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
No Adey, you need to browse thru the thread to read it.
"the fact is that the 'revenge' is not against those that imposed war but rather against mainly innocent Iraqs.
"
Well, you need to explain me how? I don't think their targets are innocent iraquis. However, there can be some innocent victims of their acts...
Sorry did not understand that first long paragraph you wrote. Would you care to re write it.
Secondly, I do get it but the fact is that the 'revenge' is not against those that imposed war but rather against mainly innocent Iraqs.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
hanging by her toenails for eternity...
Running is the best thing God ever created!
- Rabbit
Adey, Eco, etc..
Well I never said that what she is doing, if true, is right. I only said she could also convince and recruit already oppressed women about martyrdom to be more truthful and acceptable to terror sympathisers than succumbing to getting them raped which no Jihadi intending paradise for his actions could assume pleasing to God. Then what truth you find in the news?
Adey I meant revenge for those who imposed war on them and took away their peace. I am surprised you cann't get it!
Eco, you think a woman calling herself true 'Ummul Momineen' can arrange rapes( I say true because her actions are assumed religion driven here)? Are muslims such foolish to fall in a her trap?.....
Excerpt from an article by film maker who made a Channel 4 documentary on the phenomenon of female suicide bombers from the West Bank:
"Manal recruited Ayat at a family wedding when the two women were briefly alone. Manal told Ayat she would have to wait for the right time - but Manal knew she now had another would-be martyr in waiting.
Manal's plan was to use Sabrine to blow up a Jerusalem restaurant.
Instead, they were all arrested and sentenced to between four and five years in Hasharon. The three women insist they are still best friends.
'I often think of Manal as my sister. At first, my parents were angry at her for recruiting me, but I do not blame Manal. We have each chosen our path to God,' says Ayat.
In her cell I asked Sabrine what was going to happen to her in paradise after she had blown herself up.
'In paradise the male martyr gets 72 virgins but the female martyr becomes queen of those virgins. The rest of the virgins are her maids and they wait on her. She is the best and most beloved.'
Queen of the Virgins? It seems almost childish, and beyond the prison walls Ayat's confidence in her parent's forgiveness was ill-founded.
'If I had known what Ayat was planning I would have told the Jews. I would have stopped her,' said Ahmed Kmeil, her father.
'In our religion it is forbidden for a girl's body to be uncovered even at home. How could a girl allow her body to be smashed to pieces and then collected up by Jews? This is absolutely forbidden.'
Even Manal's family insisted that female suicide bombing is wrong.
'With a man it's different. For us, a girl can't show her leg or wear a short T-shirt. How can you then be a good Muslim woman and expose your body to the world? What Manal was doing recruiting those girls was wrong,' said her mother Nadia Saba'na.
Like most of us, Manal's and Ayat's families are unfamiliar with the aftermath of explosives and the human body. It's not pleasant. Most of the torso of the bomber just disintegrates leaving the head and lower limbs.
But what was shocking was none of the families of the would-be female suicide bombers expressed outrage about the innocent civilians their daughters would have killed.
They did not seem to be particularly concerned about their daughter's death. What they were worried about was pieces of their daughter's body being exposed to strangers, or worse still, to Jews. They saw everything through this false prism of 'honour'.
The same lessons, of course, apply in Iraq. If you are a woman blowing yourself up, exposing your body is forbidden and a sin.
The truth is that Iraq's insurgents have turned to female suicide bombing as a tactic of desperation.
Even in Baghdad, with all its security checkpoints, a woman dressed in the all concealing abaya is still more likely to succeed with a suicide bombing.
But the even greater truth is that raped, shamed, and psychologically manipulated, Iraq's female suicide bombers are, all too often, not seeking paradise but fleeing the hell of their lives on Earth."
Full article here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1138298/Face-face-women-suicide-bombers.html
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
It is always the lost that need my guidance
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/245462
And I thought Bukhari is a preparation of rice!
But I like Pulau more.
Abu: No prob buddy, thanks anyway, :)
i need to leurn arab too :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Abu: Can you leave here a link to both Hadiths (Bukari and Muslim) ? I would prefer in pdf format :) thks anyway :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, 'If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,' he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire." Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him." (Book #23, Hadith #445)
Gypsy: Today, in the portuguese newspapers it came the same information:
"Iraq. Samira Ahmed Jassim, of 51 years, was arrested on 21 January
Iraqi youth who had fallen used in disgrace
For a long time that Iraqi and American officials said that girls and women were being raped and then being taken to suicide. But had no evidence, at least until now. On Tuesday, in a video shown to the press, showed the confession of an Iraqi middle-aged to admit that dozens of suicide bombers recruited by order of the Sunni group Ansar al-Sunnah.
Samira Ahmed Jassim, of 51 years, the video shows that her code name was Umm al-Mumineen, which means Mother of the Believers. And explains that the first woman who was recruited A Hoda, or mother of Hoda, which exploded in the police in the province of Diyala. "I spoke with her often (...) took her to the squad and it was there that exploded," said Jassin, who is the mother of six children, four girls and two boys. In the case of another woman, Amal, the matriarch says she had to talk to her several times to convince: "She was very depressed. I took it to them, then came back to be with her so that she committed suicide."
Jassim acknowledged have recruited 28 women and planned attacks in several parts of Iraq. But the door - voice of the Iraqi Army, the major - General Qassim al-Mussawi, said she is suspected of eight more to convince dozens of Iraqi women to commit suicide. In an interview he gave to the AP, before his detention from 21 January to be announced, the matriarch showed that Sunni insurgents organized rape of women for her to persuade. "They were shattered women, especially those raped." In some areas of Iraq, like Diyala, victims of rape are overlooked by families and by society. Jassim explained that cooperated with the Ansar al-Sunnah for one and a half years and under threats of death.
The AP, which says that the interview was conducted in the presence of researchers, said, however, was not found, the independent source, the allegations that women were raped suicide on purpose. Iraqi and American officials also claim that at least two women with Down syndrome were used in attacks in 2008.
Last year saw a high number of women-bomb in Iraq, about 32, or more than 25 cases recorded in 2007. The use of women has increased by the fact that they are not searched and they hide explosives under Abaya - long black robes that they use."
source: http://dn.sapo.pt/2009/02/05/internacional/mae_crentes_admite_recrutar_mulheres.html
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I like the phrase you used - 'MISLAM'
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
destroying properties does it come under martydom?
Sorry blabla this is MISLAM, you are following qutubism
(TQM)
&feature=channel
Well, IF this story is true, I don't think this woman is misguided, she's just an evil person taking advantage of these women, and perverting Islam for her own amusement.
Salax, I've never onced claimed that people like this woman are true Muslims, nor have I ever claimed great faith in the American media. Propaganda is propaganda. Frankly I hope there isn't much truth to this, cause if there is it's disgusting.
"fire of revenge" - against who?
seems to me that most of the blown up and killed are those innocents going about their own business shopping in market places.
and
"Cann't she convince them that martyrdom( honor death) is better than prostitution?"
Well if she does then, as Abu & Eco said, they are committing suicide and will be going to hell not paradise. Interesting to see you referring to them as martyrs and not suicides - perhaps Eco and Abu would be good enough to put you right on your opinion.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Why are people arguing in this thread? I mean, is it possible that this story is fabricated, of course. However, if it is true we all agree that this woman is perverting Islam for her own sick goals.
See no arguments.
Yes, i know :)
"What do you think is going on in the minds of those who lost their husbands, sons in the imposed war..."
I don't know but i think it hurts the same on both sides of the conflict and that's why violence needs to be banned from this world.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Plato, I have already said before its not religion that makes suicide bombers but it is the fire of revenge burning in the oppressed individuals.. What do you think is going on in the minds of those who lost their husbands, sons in the imposed war...
"confessed to organising their rapes so she could later convince them that martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame.."
No sane person can believe this. Why should she arrange for their rapes when she can easily find raped women and forced prostitutes having lost their bread earners in the war? Cann't she convince them that martyrdom( honor death) is better than prostitution?
who give birth to these suicide bombers? We all know not all muslims think the way these people do. So bleme it on their ordeal that triggers the revenge. As long as there is oppression there will be terrorism. the world has to live with it. Islam is made the culprit because it is muslims who are oppressed....
It's really sad to see lifes being wasted this way, how could she think that Allah would accept that she would order the rapes and then turn them in human bombs :(
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Glad you noticed the rape connection.
I mentioned it in my first post but no one commented on it.
Although this story is yet to be fully confirmed it does have a ring of truth about it ie a videotaped confession (can be seen on your link I believe, but has no translation), the rise in female bombers over the last year and the rising number of 'honour' killings in Iraq over the last couple of years.
I would not be surprised if this is confimed to be true.
One would hope that the rise in the proportion of votes(40+%) going to secular parties in the latesrt Iraqi elections will put a brake on religious political parties, as these groups make it easier for sectarian violence to breakout.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
"...has confessed to organising their rapes so she could later convince them that martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame."
i see...
evil mind!
Sorry you are correct. I should have said those that take an extreme twisted form of the doctrine.
Do you want me to edit my post or will this exchange surfice?
But then again you kind of prove my point about providing cover and not criticising other muslims; you addressed none of my points but seized on a small point about wrong wording.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Here you go:
&feature=related
Agree with you Drac.. Sucide for not matter what ever reason is forbidden in Islam..Can such people can themselves muslims..let alone mother of all believers..
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HE WHO DARES WINS
fundamentalist?a fundamentalist is one who has accepted his or her tradition's "fundamental" doctrines. Deviants are not seeking knowledge, they are blindly following their satan leader.
...(vampire-flying mode: gosh..it's really pink! and look at the cyan blue spots!...)
:)
Gawd... QLers are now quoting Dolly Parton songs?
There you go again spouting that insane nonsense!
exeryone knows it's all pink with cyan blue spots!
You're an idiot!!!
:)
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
This getting frightening!!!! We are agreeing tooooo much!
Things need to get back to normality :D
I propose that black is white and that white is black, what say you?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
(4:29) "... You shall not kill yourselves. ..."
Where's the "ta'weel" here?
Please, explain!
Islam condemns suicide as much as it condemns oppression and aggression against others.
While the Muslims are commanded to stand for their rights and defend themselves, their properties and their freedom they are told to first resort to peace and advocate tolerance ...
The following verses from the Quran show how the Quran describes suicide:
(2:195) You shall spend in the cause of Allah; do not throw yourselves with your own hands into destruction. You shall be charitable; Allah loves the charitable.
(4:29) O you who believe, do not consume each others' properties illicitly - only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted. You shall not kill yourselves. Allah is Merciful towards you.
(4:30) Anyone who commits these transgressions, maliciously and deliberately, we will condemn him to Hell. This is easy for Allah to do.
As the verses quoted above show, suicide in any form is condemned by Allah, no excuse given under any circumstances.
The Quran does not promise Heaven (Paradise) to those who commit suicide but rather warn of condemnation to Hell.
The promise of paradise or of virgin wives in Heaven for those suicide bombers and those who kill the innocent civilians has no basis in Islam and cannot be found anywhere in the Quran.
Suicide is a state of disbelief and loss of faith that is condemned by Allah throughout the Quran.
In the Quran, Allah commands the believers never to despair or lose hope and instead work for a brighter future.
(http://www.submission.org/jihad/suicide.html)
I think you would agree with me that it doesn't matter if the hadith is weak to those that that will use it as religious 'cover' to go about their violent ends. they are not stupid, and if you can use it to persuade some poor dupe to blow themselves up - they will do that. And then there are those who call themselves 'muslim' who truly, but deludedly, believe it.
"It still makes no reference to killing yourself and the reward being connected."
Again, that's why those who promote and facilitate the bombings refer to them as 'martyrdom operations';and it's the martyrdom that gets you the reward.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
that witch since morning.
Ps,
This is a problem for all religions;the peaceful,knowledgeable ones often provide cover for the fundimentalist nutters by just saying they have misread the teachings etc without doing anything to stop them. What's that thing about not criticising a fellow muslim? Well they come in all shapes and sizes so I think alot more ctiticism is what is needed .
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
i condemn suicide bombing but not the woman whose photo i see here. why because i do not know if she actually said that/ i dont know if she was forced/paid to say that.
It is quite clear that the blog was quoting Captain Ahmed Jasim from an article. It took me 2 seconds to find the link on that blog.
It is from The Telegraph newspaper,by Aqeel Hussein in Baquba and Damien McElroy 11:19AM GMT 16 Nov 2008
here it is:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/3464411/Mother-of-all-suicide-bombers-warns-of-rise-in-attacks.html
What you have to realise is that there are 'muslims' that do think this is real 'Islam'. You are better off arguing against those than burying your head in the sand and refusing to believe that such 'muslims' exist.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
just get chance to sit by river side and have Lunch?
this is interesting
scary photo!!! guess that's what happens when you sniff too much gun powder.
will you put lil more efforts and try to remember the verse
The dichotomy is between suicide and dying for a religious cause.
Which one takes precedence? Some(you) would argue that suicide is haram, others (such as those doing and supporting suicide bombing) would argue that dying for the religion negates suicide - that's why they term it martyrdom, and are thus worthy of their place in paradise with the attendant 72 women/virgins/raisins/grapes or what ever the translation may be. You would have thought the author of the Qu'ran would have realised that in the future Arabic would evolve with vowels and saved on all this trouble about what the words actually refer to, don't ya think?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Eco savvy come here my son.
Let me whisper it again.
I did answer you previously, you just misunderstood my writing and sinistral humor that I use based on real current events.
I rather have you educate me in the matter. Instead of criticizing me.
Just like abuamerican, Adey, Plato and many others have excellent comments of the real truth.
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Yet, the Koran speaks of 72 wifes not 40 virgins. It does not endorse suicidal bombings. Unfortunate Islam is taking a big "Hit" behind the issue, cause by other radical Muslims advocating it.
Is your job to educate us, the people of the west.
If you want us, to understand you...
I need official report of Captain Jassim
not martyrs
The link was in my post you quoted me from.
But here it is again:
http://incognito73.i...
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
was addressed to RP
Eco-savvy said If, she commits suicide, will she get 40 Virgins in Heaven? ...
72 virgins
report? can you give me the link
Thanks
This is how the brain washing works.
Abu is right, as much as I despair at the religious mindset, this is not the Islam as practiced by the majority of muslims, however it is the 'Islam' practiced by a (significant?) minority. This form of 'Islam' has taken root in some, whether one denounces it as heresy or not, to them it IS Islam. And they act accordingly, they really believe (brain-washed) that their actions will be rewarded in an Islamic paradise.
“she was part of a plot in which young women were raped and then sent to her for matronly advice. She said she would try to persuade the victims to become suicide bombers as their only escape from the shame and to reclaim their honor.”
"Then you have Itisam Adwan another 38-year-old Iraqi woman nicknamed “mother of the female suicide bombers” or “Umm Fatima” (the mother of Fatima) who was captured last September, 2008. Hardened and unrepentant, Itisam told police there were so many willing to follow in her footsteps, her arrest would make no difference. Captain Ahmed Jasim, of the Baquba police said, Itisam
“had described how a group of women, mainly widows of terrorist “martyrs”, who are grooming younger relatives and acquaintances for death.
“She said she is just one of many mothers who do the same job,” he said. “And there are many girls who are willing to die. The mothers tell them that they will go to heaven, where they will sit by rivers of honey and have lunch with the prophet Mohammad and live in comfort.
“The girls are the wives of al-Qaeda members, so their husbands tell them that their martyrdom would be glorious and the husbands too will automatically get to heaven as a result of their wives willingness to kill themselves in the name of religion.” "
http://incognito73.instablogs.com/entry/mother-of-believers-recruiter-of-female-suicide-bombers-arrested/
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Who penned these lines? - Captain Ahmed Jasim, of the Baquba police, and he was quoting Itisam Adwan, aka “mother of the female suicide bombers” or “Umm Fatima” who was captured last September, 2008.
Please read what I posted carefully. I am actually defendinfg the fact(and you) that Islam does NOT say the things you quoted from my post. The clue was in the third line I wrote - "Abu is right"
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
who has penned those lines???
“had described how a group of women, mainly widows of terrorist “martyrs”, who are grooming younger relatives and acquaintances for death.
“She said she is just one of many mothers who do the same job,” he said. “And there are many girls who are willing to die. The mothers tell them that they will go to heaven, where they will sit by rivers of honey and have lunch with the prophet Mohammad and live in comfort.
“The girls are the wives of al-Qaeda members, so their husbands tell them that their martyrdom would be glorious and the husbands too will automatically get to heaven as a result of their wives willingness to kill themselves in the name of religion.”
"This is how the brain washing works.
Abu is right, as much as I despair at the religious mindset, this is not the Islam as practiced by the majority of muslims, however it is the Islam practiced by a (significant?) minority. This form of Islam has taken root in some, whether one denounces it as heresy or not, to them it IS Islam. And they act accordingly, they really believe (brain-washed) that their actions will be rewarded in an Islamic paradise."
Adey/Abu: Couldn't agree more, people like that give bad name to any religion followers.
Awkhan: Don't worry, i don't confuse extremists with muslims, i know that the true muslim will never aprove such acts :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
If somebody come to you and said Mr.x had removed my one eye and even you can see that his one eye gone,dont judge for Mr. x without listening him.this is a fashion now a days anybody look like muslim,he is fundametlist,jehadist,islamist,terrorist extremist etc.
none of us will ever able to see this Iraqi lady,this is just media report provided to media and band of some weterners and their puppets started shouting.
what ever you tell them they will never convinced.
who asked western allied to go to Iraq?where are those huge piles of wepons of mass distruction?
It is impossible to judge between freedom fighter and terrorist.I hate those who kills inocents in trains,buses,aeroplanes and hiroshima and Nagasachi.
they all are terrorist and we have to exist between them.
they all are equaly wrong.
really only Allah can judge me.
Love human.Hate shayatin............
awkhan
suicide bomber is not a way out. these men or woman who willing sacrifice their life to do so, believing that they will receive a rewards from GOD is totally absurb.
Am not religius but I know GOD will not agree with this. Because GOD is all about LOVE not hate and war.
Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand
I understand it now
Red pope still didnt come with evidence and I am waiting
did your imagination factory stopped producing fables???
Abu: I was only making a joke, regarding the extremist idea of reward :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Thanks for the comment. You just proved what I already figured. Period.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
your training prooves that, in all the comments you are just lying.
Your comments should back up with evidence
Blabla: In times of needs, people tend to look for "God's help" and if they are too religious, the easilly accept that it's ok to kill in the name of God, all religions have such examples in their hollybooks.
Unfortunatelly, they are only hurting the true muslims who just want to live their life without breaking any of Allah comitments.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Plato, Even I won't accept the offer of 40 virgins in this world, some sexy Qlers among them, to commit that crime given the healthy life I am living..I don't know what makes others accept promise of the hereafter...
Blabla: "We all know not all muslims think the way these people do. So bleme it on their ordeal that triggers the revenge. As long as there is oppression there will be terrorism. the world has to live with it. Islam is made the victim because it is muslims who are oppressed...."
Couldn't agree more and i think that isn't only Islam but other religions do similar things too, just that in the case of Islam, the conflict Israel/Palestina has made them to be more famous and because of it they are used very often on attacks using people that thinks that they'll get rewarded by replacing Allah on his decisions of who lives and who dies.
The best way to prevent these events should be educating people.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
"40 virgins? Oh my God, why not 40 sluts, at least those will know what they are doing"
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
40... hmmm, what would be worse... 40 experienced, or 40 virgins.
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Alexa, You get three points for the answer....
Neither, pure question. I honestly don't know what I would do with 40 virgins.
Hypocritical as it might sound, Two years in Doha, has taught me that "white lies" are better than no lies at all.
Thanks for the compliment, Could I add you to my list of prefer liars? Since I'm the King...
Gypsy, Is that another confession or one of your unravel secrets of yours?
I decline to respond to your post. You reread it and come back. I will not respond until then lol:)
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
I honestly don't know what I'd do with 40 virgins.
Redpope I know you are King of all liars.
Who are muslims?
I'm thinking out of the box with the article of female human bombs.
If, she commits suicide, will she get 40 Virgins in Heaven?
I'm confused, Did I hear someone scream, Allah is great?
Definitely, she is going to have some kind of salvation, but not in Heaven, but in Hell, including the one's that committed suicide already.
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but sadly she is under the hope of getting salvation still. She must be a hero for some. And she would be still believing that what she did was right. She would be an inspiration to many already. And she would become a martyr if hanged. Why does religion make someone like this lady
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why is that you always fabricate? why did you tag this woman to religion, did you read the link correctly?
no where in the story religion is mentioned
When Rajiv Ghandhi was blown to pieces did any one
connect that Tamil lady to RELIGION???
well said Scarlet..she could have set an example rather than brainwashing innocent ladies..
she recruits "victims" to be bombers instead of acting herself and using HERSELF to bomb...guess she isn't such a "believer" after all...basic "do as I say, not as I do" theory..
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
spread terror but it is all in your mindset how you interperate.
Learn more to understand ISLAM.
I REPEAT.....
this is an incomplete picture/story and we should not be prejudice at such posts....
Bombers are not good; killing of innocents are not at all ACCEPTABLE.
Life is not always Beautiful;
If I sit in front of TV every evening, spending good and quality time with my family, enjoying a hefty package from my company, having good fortune for my family...means that 'LIB' only for me and for a few in this world.
I think it's one and the same, religion appeals to sociopaths like this.
...the fundamentalism and the systematic brainwashing that goes with it. This lady is definately convinced that her religion is the only path to salvation and would have definately got misled by the self proclaimed custodians.In her mind,she was waging a war against the infidels who have made this planet hell. She was just helping the almighty in cleansing his creation.
Charles Manson is a different story. He was a chronic offender and took shelter in religious doctrine. Helter Skelter was just a figment of his imagination which he wanted to see in real life. This lady is just the opposite. Hers is a Religion to Crime story.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
I think religion is just her tool to do this. People like this will latch on to anything, look at Charles Manson and a lot of other cult leaders, do you think they actually believe what they preach or they just like the power religion gives them?
Very sad and ver sacry but sadly she is under the hope of getting salvation still. She must be a hero for some. And she would be still believing that what she did was right. She would be an inspiration to many already. And she would become a martyr if hanged. Why does religion make someone like this lady? Sad....very sad.
Makes me rethink religion as a way of life. Any religion.I would prefer a world without them. All the virtues and benefits of religions put together are totally dispensible as compared to the monsters it can create. A world without religion would be a much safer place.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
Wars are play grounds for people like this. She's probably a complete socio-path and uses "religion" and the current turmoil in the region to enjoy herself.
Animals have more morality and compassion
this is an incomplete picture/story and we should not be prejudice at such posts....
Bombers are not good; killing of innocents are not at all acceptable.
Life is not always Beautiful;
If I sit in front of TV every evening, spending good and quality time with my family, enjoying a hefty package from my company, having good fortune for my family...means that 'LIB' only for me and for a few in this world.
there were many topics on QL regarding suicide bombings
one was by Shuaib Kazi
Brit...yea who said male suicide bombers are okay...you can no way justify their action..
it's not ok to have a suicide bomber at all... :(
Why do we feel that it is OK to have a male suicide bomber, but not acceptable to have a female suicide bomber ?
...your post is a flame...lol :) I know where this is leading to...lol)hahahaha
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
why we should not try to see other side of the mirror; what made them this mothers to become murderers look and identify the root causes and attack in the proper ways.
Allah has given a very soft heart to women to feel, care tolerance and persistence to face the challenges, then what wrong with this so called mothers? I don't know, but something must be there....
but sadly she is under the hope of getting salvation still. She must be a hero for some. And she would be still believing that what she did was right. She would be an inspiration to many already. And she would become a martyr if hanged. Why does religion make someone like this lady? Sad....very sad.
Makes me rethink religion as a way of life. Any religion.I would prefer a world without them. All the virtues and benefits of religions put together are totally dispensible as compared to the monsters it can create. A world without religion would be a much safer place.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
IMO she doesn't deserve to be called a ' believer ' either. Or a sane human being. She is a brainwashed criminal.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
This cannot be true. These people never admit to their crimes. They never tell how they operate and they never tell who they work for. It is just a scam by the Govt. to please Ammerica. They do it all the time in Pakistan. Killing innocent people, and taking millions of US Dollars in return for their war against terror.
If this woman would approach me I would immediately run away as fast as I could. What makes these stupid women who blow themselves up listen to her at all? Is she rich?
...like these change the way the general public perceives people with religious headscarves,turbans,robes etc. Such people are responsible for the general fear and some of the laws in US and Europe banning such dressed/clad from entering or availing of services at Banks,ATMs,Security Facilities etc. If Mother of Believers is doing this , I guess the children should not complain. And why is nobody issuing a fatwa against her?
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
What a sick lady.
When we think of a “mother”, the images that come in our mind are those of a nurturing, protective, loving soul.
Do these people have any conscience whatsoever? Do they have hearts or Souls? Do they truly believe that Allah will welcome them in heaven when it’s their time to go? Even animals have more maternal instincts than these women.
They certainly have no right to call themselves “a mother”.