‘Non-specialist’ jobs at ministries only for Qataris By Anwar Elshamy
ALL the expatriate employees working in “non-specialist” jobs at ministries and public departments will be replaced by Qataris by the end of March next year, as Qatarisation of these jobs would be obligatory, HE the Minister of Labour and Social Affairs Sultan Hasan al-Dhabit al-Dousari said yesterday. (source : Gulf Times
“We have given a grace period for all government departments employing non-Qataris in non-specialist jobs. It ends on March 31, 2009,” said al-Dousari, in an interview with the monthly programme Lakom Al Qarar, broadcast by Qatar TV yesterday.
“These jobs have to be occupied by Qataris,” the minister stressed.
“We have already created a data bank of some 4,500 Qatari job-seekers. This replacement plan which is supported by the cabinet would create some 3,000 vacancies for unemployed Qataris.”
Al-Dousari said that his ministry would reject any recruitment request whether by a government department or private company as long as there was a Qatari who could do that job.
“Qatarisation of jobs is a top priority for the ministry. We have a mission to increase the participation of the Qataris in the workforce. It is now less than 10%. This is unacceptable.”
The minister said that his ministry had signed a deal with the College of North Atlantic to study the requirements of the labour market.
“A new manpower department is established as part of the ministry to provide training to Qataris and find them jobs both at the public and private sectors.”
About the private sector, he stressed that his ministry would pressurise the firms to allocate 20% of their jobs to Qataris.
“So far only a few companies have met the target set by the government. But we have recently started negotiations with the banking sector and the companies listed on the DSM (Doha Securities Market). We also included the hotel industry in a list of sectors that has to employ Qataris,” he said.
Asked about the Qatar Airways’ stance on Qatarisation, he said the airline “has failed to provide 20% of jobs” available with the national carrier to Qataris.
“We have made a decision to implement the Qatarisation scheme. Qatar Airways is among the companies the ministry is targeting. We have already sent a letter on this topic to the airline. It is now a must for both the public and private sectors to meet the target of Qatarisation. It is a top priority of the ministry.”
To a question, he admitted that there were many Qataris who were employed in the government departments but doing no work at all.
“There are many Qataris on the payroll of government departments. They enjoy all the privileges and allowances without doing any type of work. When I joined the Ministry of Civil Service Affairs and Housing (now defunct) in 2004, I found that there were more than 700 Qatari employees who were excess employment. It was a policy and a system at that time. But now the situation is different,” he said.
To a question on the Labour Law, the minister revealed that Qatar was considering amending the law to comply with the international and local developments.
“We will receive a team of experts from the World Labour Organisation this month to review the labour laws. In the amended law, the labour committees would be activated and Qatarisation would be given a boost.”
He criticised the recently held Qatar Career Fair, saying that some participating firms had furnished “exaggerated figures” of jobs they have provided for Qataris.
“We noticed there was a lack of co-ordination between the ministry and the organisers and we will take care of this in next year’s exhibition,” he added.
At the end of the episode, a majority of 82% of the audience voted against the motion, “Are you satisfied about Qatar’s labour policy and employment scenario?”
Source::Gulf-Times
Didn't they know that call center agents are now called Customer Service Professional -slash- Call Center Specialist -slash- Helpdesk Esecutive?
Should I freak out? I was directly hired from my country. Does that mean the company may cancel me anytime? I better find out if they are granting me an NOC.
Had an excellent point earlier on inflation, hire more Qataris with higher wages will mean more money in the system and prices will go up, Inflation in this country has as much to do with the dollar as it has with terrible moentary policy.
The Govt has allowed too much money into the system by allowing cheap loans to nationals, who spend it naturally and force prices up, it's basic supply and demand.
NOW if they want to Qatarise the place why not expand their departments, rather than replacing expats, Dweller mentioned above that once forced out expats will demand much more to come back, the only way to expand local work forces are expand their employment alongside expat employment.
But going back to my original post, a forced change will make the country look bad.
As for Qatar Airways, part of me thinks no one would fly them if you knew just how bad the local pilots were, aside from their behavior's which I have heard is "despicable" and "disgusting"
This country dreams of being Dubai, personally I think they should have left it at the TV station and invested the rest, they really are not ready to face the outside world.
Lets be honest as it has already been said the locals are not up to nor want to do any form of work.
Let them Qatarise the place, and let the government see what a shame their education system is, let the departments be run so poorly that anyone form outside the country dealing with them assumes the worst and does not invest here.
Go ahead and let it happen, Dubai tries the same thing and abandoned it, every Gulf state tries and fails to do the same thing, but at the end of the day they need ex-pats from all over the World to do the job.
Right now they have as shortage of laborers to build the towers, because even the poorest Indians won't come here for the derisory wages and I don't blame them.
I helped out a lady today who had problems with her grandson's passport, as I drove her into city centre I said what people see are 21st Century Towers, unfortunately the people are still living in the dark ages.
The Government knows they have made it too easy for their citizens they cannot undo this, BUT they can now ruin their prospectives countries, Dubai, MAY be ok but as I have said before Qatar is too far behind and still too backward for it to deal with the outside World, I wish them the best of luck but I think this countries boat has already holed, lets hope some of us can hold onto the mast until it sinks.
It has happened in the past although not often.
If everything is documented and warnings given it is possible even if they possess wasta.
However, I don't envy private companies that need to operate to a budget and being forced to hire a national that really doesn''t want to work. In that respect I think the government have got it wrong
So far, the discussions here are focused around hiring, can you imagine the process of firing a local from his/her job?
In the US, this turned out to be a nightmare, as you just can't fire "some" people, you would be accused of thousand things for doing so. At the end, you contaminate the work environment with negative and non-productive elements of the work force.
Everything takes time, jumping over the facts does not work.
You jested about an aircraft lining up" on the pearl.
In the 80's and before the lagoon area was there, a Gulf Heli pilot had to call Doha Air Traffic control as an Air India "bird" as he called it was lined up ready to land on the coast road near the golf club.
Hi,
The fact that they target 'non-specialist' positions reflects that they also know the education local people receive do not match what the society and economy need. Lack of marketable skillsets could be the root of the problem (I don't think attitude is an issue as there are always hard-working people and lazy people in any country). Thus, I would question if this is the best approach to enhance Qataris' employment level and would have sustained impacts.
Having more local people working doesn't mean the country has a higher competitiveness. The key is being competitive. The US and S'pore are proactivie in attracing foreign talents, why would a different policy which is not merit-based be taken here?
Private companies operate on business principles. If they see local people with relevant competence, there is no reason they do not employ local people, who do not need to be paid housing, education and other allowances.
Think2
i just wish to know which positions are coming under -NON SPECIALIST catagory....can someone help..?
Qatarization is good if all qataris (men & women) will accept jobs or willing to start from lower job levels up to the higher level for them to be trained well... And for them to know whats the real true meaning of hardwork & sacrifices..
But if they will be hired or start as managers immediately & just let their subordinates to do their jobs (I dont see any sense..) It just like taking the position title only & not the work it self!
Or they just want to show the whole world that no qataris are below managerial level??? That they are the boss on their own country?
I wonder if someday i will see qatari taking & giving my orders at Mc Donalds... or maybe cleaning the floors of City Center? Or doing blue collar jobs...
If that day comes i can say that qatar is fully develop and can stand by it self...
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I agree with you 100% QT
I do understand where you're coming from though adey.
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Well, I kind of agree with you.
However, believe that to some degree, a country has the right to try to protect its citizens and develop as a nation.
We don't have complete free movement of labour here in the Middle East, nor do we have the labour laws to protect labourers.
However, all this took a long time to develop in the UK and Qatar is making steps to improve itself as well!
It's methods may be questionable to those of us that have been brought up in recent times in a country like the UK, but the country would never be able to develop to where the UK is now without some degree of exploitation.
Out of this exploitation, comes the discrimination!
The UK's industrial revolution was built on the similar exploitations of people (even our own), through a class system.
Qatar is now just doing the same!
I'm not saying it's right, but are we really qualified to judge?
Jauntie
Good night Jauntie!
I shall take my TUM to bed :D
..... and I deleted the rest of this post. Corne is right. I'm scary after 10.00 p.m. and even MORE scary when them bells chime midnight. muhahahahahaha
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Trade Union Movement
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
No it's not discrimination in the job market.
I take it you were qualified for the job you had in the UK? Therefore no need to get a more qualified person from abroad as the local employment sector filled the position.
If however the local job market did not contain a suitably qualified person then an engineer from India (or any other country) would get the visa to perform the job (and would be employed on a non discriminatory salary)
As I said two different issues.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
I had the opportunity to discuss the Saudi-isation policy with the HR Director of Aramco ( a Saudi national) in the late 70's.
I asked him if they had abondoned it and he asked why was I asking.
Their job ads had gone from offering short term contracts to open contracts.
He said that they hadn't abandoned it but were not persuing it as vigorously as they had done previously because as I was probably aware, "it caused problems".
The process has been "failing" in Saudi for well over 15 years, more like 30 years although from what I saw of the Saudis involved in Aramco in the mid 90's, they have improved considerably and were very astute.
In Kuwait in 1976, an American suggested to KOC that they didn't need the expatriates. They released a vast number of them
By 1978, production was down to 45% of capacity and they recruited many more expats and at much higher salaries than those that were released in 1976.
I do think however that the work ethic has increased within many Gulf nationals to such an extent that they can be cajoled into working and should be given the chance.
There IS and always has been (not surprisingly) a lot of job protectionism within certain nationalities who don't wish to lose their well paid (compared to what is available in their base country) jobs.
This frequently takes the form of not explaining to the national staff exactly how and why a job is performed. Subsequently, a national that DOES want to perform the job is denied the proper training or hand over.
If the national shows no inclination to work (given that training has been provided properly) management must have the guts to weed out the bad apples. That last point must be addressed successfully and honestly.
Yes, but they can't get the visa! That's my point!
Don't you think its a hidden type of discrimination?
British law makers are trying to protect British jobs for Bitish people!
Qataris are just trying to do the same but in a more obvious way!
Most of the expats are managing to earn much more than back home and able to send money back! By Britain denying them a work Visa, they don't even get the option!
Just a debating thought!
That's an immigration issue. If the visa is granted then Indian engineer would not be on a lower salary than anyone else (in UK). Two seperate issues.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Not all expats come for more money!
As a qualified telecoms engineer (amongst other things), if I was to stay in the UK and do this job I'd be on the equlivalent of 50,000QR/month.
But that's because highly qualified Indian nationals can't get visas to the UK.
Indian telecom engineers get a quarter of that in the Gulf, but it is still good for them because they can come here to work and earn more than in India!
I've taken a serious pay cut but like WhoAmI, am trying to invest in my long term future! Way to go WhoAmI!!!!
(*whispers quietly* ...and I don't take orders well, so need to be sort of my own boss)
So, it does all boil down to choice!!!
Adey
Do you think it's fair that I would get paid so much but a better qualified indian national who would work for much less can't get a visa?
That is a similar situation, but I don't really think that it's discrimination, do you?
what the Qatar government should focus on is to revolutionaize their eductional system adding to it the idea of professionalism and social values. you simply can't give jobs to nationlals who doesn't want them or is qualified enough?
Saudi Arabia have their "Saudization" but it's been failing for the past 15 years! Qatar is no different...
what they should do is to retire those white minded ministers and replace them with expats! hahahaha!
again, I don't think it is fair you are getting a lower salary and it would be EQUALLY unfair if you got a higher salary than others just because of your nationality.
I hope that makes my views crystal clear.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
but that's what I was saying all along. (a couple of posts above).
I was pointing out that adey wanted to highlight that fact that it's not fair that expats get lower salaries and then was asking why he didn't highlight the fact thta it was not fair that I was getting a lower salary.
I was offered quite a few jobs (highest being around 12k more) but I turned it down, hoping that I'm investing in the right career path.
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I could make more money if I went abroad, but at he moment I'm playing a crucial role in forming a very lucrative division in the company I work for (will be nameless for now).
I also have faith and don't want to leave Qatar. I'd rather have less salary in Qatar if I can be here and do my best to make it a better place. If the expats are happy, they work harder, and make Qatari's happy. Lol
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yes indeed, same job, same grade same everythiing. He ends up getting more total because he gets more benefits. (Expats get a much higher accommodation allowance than Qataris).
Before someone says "yeah but you live here", Qatari's need homes too. Can't stay in my dad's house forever.
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If you are doing the same job, have the same qualifications, equal experience and have been at the company the same amount of time then you should be paid the same as the Australian.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
So let's go the other way now, since obviously you didn't feel it was wrong that the Australian guy was getting more than I am?
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I think I have more in common with those who think it is a good idea, after all it is the citizens own country, but are concerned that it will be counter productive in the short term. Method of implementation is the key
I agree with everything you said except:
"Even if they did, WHO CARES? If a Qatari street cleaner gets more and
an expat gets less, NOBODY is forcing those expatriates to accept the
job!"
A lot of people care, it is discrimination based on nationality and nothing else, which is just plain wrong.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
As far as my observation and experiences are concern, it will take for more long years before the locals can understand and practive the real meaning of "work"at it's very essence.
"IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING...THEN YOU KNOW NOTHING AT ALL"
oh how I wish people would stop moaning.
"Oh Qatari's will get more than the expats".
First of all, in MOST cases, they get less. (I get less than the australian guy by ALOT in my department).
Even if they did, WHO CARES? If a Qatari street cleaner gets more and an expat gets less, NOBODY is forcing those expats to accept the job!
@Rami, have you learned NOTHING about generalizing?
Fine, yes all Qatari's want to sit around all day and do nothing.
I guess when I come into the office at 6:30am and left last thursday at 7pm doing extra work, I was just being lazy.
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I think the jobs mentioned as non-specialists such as "tea boys, driver, house maid, etc. ARE ACTUALLY SPECIALISTS. They Specialize on those specific types of work only, right? Tea boy makes tea (and maybe coffee) but nothing else, so he specializes in making tea an coffee... Drivers only drive (regardless of make and model of the car) so he specializes on driving only... house maids do house work, so they specialize only on house work, so they are all actually all specialists..
Non-specialists are those who go to work, sit on their office whilst talking to the mobile phone the whole day while letting people wait on the line in front of them... hmmm... I wonder who those are.....
Wow...the governmental employees already suck...big time!
Can't wait to see when they replace them with even worse crowd...Nothing is going to be done EVER!!!
It does sound like a sad joke!
The managers with no skills all end up badly here whenever a flaw is caught. There are dozen of cases, and I’m proud that the government gets even with this.
This was not intended to insult, and at one time in my long life it didn't matter who did menial jobs because if there were jobs to be done there were no foreigners to do this. Only in the late 60's and 70's did this start up in Europe. I don't make a habit of insulting people who don't agree with me and again you don't know anything about me so let's keep it that way.
Xena
When I was young we know who the garbage carriers were and they were all nationals, ove the years this has changed, and I do remember times when it was easier and cheaper to employ foreigners to do this kind of jobs as it was jobs that nobody wanted to have. Just recently I saw (because of high unemployment) young qualified MBA,s in Germany driving and taking garbage it wans't like that a few years ago.
In the end if they need employment they will look for it same as happened in the UAE I saw many local girls working in Sharjah in Carrefour.
To change the ideas that the locals need to work and perhaps be dependant on the salary they bring home will take time, the country is imroving and motivating its youth to work. However this forum is actually about filling positions in ministries, the larger the country is the more people they will need in ministries anyway they are not taking away anyones job in particular. What actually gets me is that it seems everyone thinks thier job is threatened when such news is posted.
At the end of the day it is the way many have been brought up and not to mention that the banks have made credits readily available for these young people to buy cars etc. The country and the parents are responsible to teach the youth and make them responsible for their grown lives and also for their actions etc.
I don’t understand why some think that with qatarisation, Expatriates will be replaced. That’s not the case as far as I know it. For God sake Qataris are less then 200,000. 50,000 or more are Bedouin who lives in the outskirt of doha.
Around 20% owns their own business & don’t work for government.
PM I want to work hard to get the best job I can. Like you, I'm sure, I got my first job as a teenager, and have worked and studied hard ever since.
I didn't sit around during my youth telling my domestics to bring me my food on a silver platter.
I didn't spend a few years at university just to pass the time.
I didn't go and spend 15 hours at the Insitute of Administrative Development to learn workplace skills - I just got a job.
I see it, day in, day out, people all around me who use their wasta to wind up as section heads and managers dispite having NO skills, experience or education.
That, to me, isn't looking out for the best interests of your country. Far from it. It is a recipe for disaster.
Who told you that there are no Qataris who do simple jobs like mechanics, paper correspondents & others? It doesn’t mean you haven’t interacted with them, that they don’t exist.
Of course I'm an ex-pat, who isn't.
I relish the thought that people like myself and those I work around, with between us 50 years of on the job skills, will be replaced by some graduates fresh from university who don't particularly want to work otherwise they would have found a job already.
I get it, it's their country, they can do what they like. Fine, I understand that. But like most of their other little 'Qataris can do anything' exploits, it will end in chaos.
Much like the $800,000,000 that Qatar Airways loses annually, just to try to be better than Emirates.
The airport that is years and years behind schedule, just to try to be better than Dubai.
All the hotels that were being built for the Asian games which still aren't ready.
The only things that are well run here are the oil and gas companies, because they are run by the expats.
I work in a government authority and I'm just telling it like I see it.
My concern is that this whole affair is aimed at finding employment for those who are unemployed.
Therefore it means, by implication, that ex-pats will not be replaced by Qataris who are currently employed, but rather by Qataris who have no jobs.
Like you I applaud the concept and believe that it is certianly well intentioned. I just have concerns that they are trying to solve a very large problem in a very short period of time with a very simple solution.
There is more than enough work already in the wider community to soak up all the Qataris who are seeking employment. In western countries you bring in expatriates to do jobs because there is a skills/labour shortage. Here they bring in expats because the locals just can't be assed doing their own ironing, gardening, cleaning, washing their cars.
There is nothing that should stop a local Qatari from working at Carrefour, driving a taxi, working in a restaurant, being a barber, running a laundry, or delivering pizzas.
Why, then, will you NEVER see a Qatari doing any of these things? Seriously, are Qataris so precious that they couldn't do any of the above jobs, even though english people wash their own cars, americans cut their own grass, french people work as waiters, italians run shops...
There are dozen of Qatari diploma holders who actually work in IT helpdesk in government corporations & banks.
Go & check with your legal & HR- Government corporations have no obligation with Ministry of labour. In fact CV circulated out the ministry goes just to other ministries; it doesn’t reach the HR of corporations like QTEL, Kahramaa,QP or Ashgal.
Well, it also means. who ever expat is left in the country has to do job for 3 more persons.
1 for himself ans the balance 2 times for the work mobile carriers should have done
& mind u some or the other expat will be a manager having 1 poor expat. and this juniour expat will be screwed by his boss to complete the work on time.
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PM, your simplistic reasoning is nice and fine, but, well, where to begin.
If the country was to look out for all its citizens, it wouldn't be taking such a short term and foolish approach to employing locals.
Removing the skilled migrant workers from government departments will give jobs to locals. Sure, that's a good thing.
It will also almost certainly lead to a steady decline in the services offered by those same departments, since experienced, skilled and qualified people will be replaced with Qataris with no work experience.
Since most of these Qataris will be lazy and/or incompetent, productivity will decline. This will mean that larger numbers of Qataris will be required to replace the number of ex-pats who will face deportation.
Since Qataris don't want to work for the same salaries as the expats, the labour costs of the government will rise quickly and dramatically, which will create further inflation in a country already dealing with a double digit CPI.
What should have been done over the last five years is a skills assessment of the locals, since many of the unemployed are either education city graduates with a bachelor of interior design, or chemistry, or library and information science, or some 'in demand' tertiary qualification (I'm joking), or they possess no education or experience at all.
This whole scheme is just going to further entrench the idea that the government will come to the rescue and offer lazy people jobs without them having to study and work in basic, entry level jobs.
khanan - so your job is safe for the time being and I am sure not that many Qataris can do your job :)
A lot of Qataris who work in administration jobs or let’s say “non-specialist” jobs claims that they lose interest because they’re not given real jobs & are treated as incompetent persons. Off course without motivation, they’ll feel useless.
non specialist jobs are like
labrours
drivers
tea boys
maids
shop sales people (shayx... i hope this is correct and shop floor does not change stuff weekly)
road rashers
bikers
talkative employees
suv crazy drivers
& the list goes on & on & on
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Can anyone provide a correct version of what the non-specialist jobs are?
We have some people who think that Qataris will have to become drivers, tea boys and mandoubs (hahahaha) and another bunch who think that the non-specialist jobs are managers... because managers and directors don't need any skills.... riiiiiight.
hmmm...maybe we should all go home....lol
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
it is applicable to corporations/authorities....
our HR had been served notification from the ministry of labor ....
already they are not recruiting non-qataris for the so-called non-speciality jobs....
The Qatarias in the workforce are appalling. They want to sit in their own offices with the doors locked and closed all day. They don't want to have to deal with any males, they think that because they are women they should get special treatment, and they do even less than the guys (if you can imagine).
The women have a disgusting sense of entitlement because they know that they are untouchable and no one will question them.
working does not only make a human earn but also helps one to understand how to work as a team. which again local youths seem not to worry abt.
it shows when they talk to a non qatari, they drive on road
even local females are no better than men. atlest men sometimes show some respect but females think this whole country is given to them as a gifted property at the time of thier marriege
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I totally agree.
The Qataris want to be the managers, but never the workers.
We get hundreds of CVs in our office from Qataris with a Bachelor of Computer Science, but management here decides that we couldn't possibly hire a Qatari national because being in IT Support isn't 'appropriate' for a Qatari. The Qataris want to be the head of the IT dept and take QAR30,000 per month while the Indian techies do all the hard work and take 8,000.
And Genisis, the Ministry of Labour can and will apply these laws to all Government agencies, departments, authorities....
The ministry of labour can’t apply that on Government authorities/corporations as the don’t follow them
Take a look at the states.. you see americans doing menial work like driving garbage trucks, waiting tables, cleaning offices.
Back home, I got a part-time job from the time I was 14, earned my own money and learned to be an adult at the same time....
What is wrong with a qatari teen working at a restuarant? They would learn the value of service - which is sorely lacking in this country... they would learn that money doesn't grow on trees, like they seem to believe... and it would make them much more responsible adults, when they have a job they have to try and keep, so they learn what hard work is all about.
Its sad that the country is building a nation of youths that think work is something that "other" people do.
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
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Charan!
i will not comment any more.....
sdkkak - She stopped her e-mails to me. May be she doesn't like a lebi releationship :)
Khanan - Your corporation is in a mess as it is now. just can not imagine the situation after Qatarixation :(
charan. y do u keep telling me repeatedly again & again about ur coffee invitations.
Remember Rebecca. she sent me 3 mails today and god knows how many before that along with 17.8 Million British pounds. u enjoy ur coffee and i'm content with her and the money.
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i work in one of the government authorities/corporation and the news had already created havoc in the office as more than 50% of the admin/HR/non-tech staff are non-qataris.....
The government wants to employ all the unemployable Qataris.
These are the same Qataris that don't want to start at the bottom, like expats do, and work their way up. They want to spend 3 years at university and then get a government job as a manager or a section head.
These are the same people that think that photocopying is beneath them, and who call the tea boy to move boxes around the office.
I work in a government dept, and if we're like any other government depts, the place will fall down if the ex-pats leave. I hate to generalize, but let's be realistic - where I am, maby 60% of the qataris got a job to pass the time. They do nothing, come to work at 9am, leave at 1pm, and usually are absent 1-3 days per week. The expats are the ones that are left to do the work.
Meanwhile the government is telling Qatar Airways to hire more Qataris, yet at the same time the government bans Qatari nationals from working as cabin crew, because it would be 'demeaning' for a Qatari to have such a position.
I'm all for Qatarization, but if you are a Qatari and you want a job, you have to be willing to work for it.
I disagree with you.....you do see many locals in the west cleaning and doing menial work!!
Errrr.....just because you don't like what I have written don't accuse me of 'having a chip on my shoulder.' You know nothing about me...why do you take it upon yourself to insult people who don't agree with you? You seem to have a habit of doing this....hmmmm
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
Smoking boy- it was posted by QL memeber to sell her excess to clear her wardrobe for next summer. I thought you highly paid guys want to buy that kind at a bargain price :)
Charan's post, I mean.
This guy had 'done time' for being the getaway driver in a robbery.
He opened a second-hand furniture shop in our town and advertised that he did House Clearances.
We often wondered if the home owners were at home when he cleared their houses!
You interpreted that yourself, I know many Indians and other Asian nations who have built up industries in the West. Read properly and this was not aimed to insult any nations - seems you have a chip on your shoulder. You take any street cleaning or menial work in Germany mostly Turkish are doing this although many Turkish have flourishing business.
It just mean that many countries there are locals who will not to this kind of job. Nothing more and nothing less and to be quite honest when I was young I have done many dirty jobs jobs myself to just earn some money it did not damage my self esteem.
wtf u tea boy!! who is giving u such expensive gifts?? and what are u doing posting it here?
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Dear All,
While trying to make some more space in my wardrobe for the next season, I just realise that there're so many unused item hidden there lying even in their original warppings!
All the items are authentic, brand new; I've either bought them in Europe or receved as gifts.
Hermes 90*90cm silk scarves. 1480QR/per scarf
Hermes Men's silk ties. 730QR/per tie
Hermes Women's Bearn H long wallet, 1 in Hermes red and 1 in blue jeans.
off topic but warrents your opinon on how you use your loose money to buy the following products :)
Chanel White Camellia Quilted Bag with Silver Chain (Chanel Authentic Card, dust bag & Chanel original box will be attached). 8100QR
Dior butterfly earrings, 1 pair in Turkish blue and 1 pair in violet.
LV Alma Damier bag (with LV dust bag & paper bag)
LV wallet
If interested, please don't hesitate to contact for more infos & photos.
Also welcome to see, I'm in West Bay area.
Thats exactly the point i was trying to make...why shouldnt Qataris be made to do ANY kind of job..and not only the easy tasks of sitting around all day checking out the stock exchange. if this is YOUR country then clean up your own mess dont hire people to do that. Do your own house work for that matter why u want maids? hire local Qataris to take care of ur kids.
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prefer to see Qataris (both women & men) in places like passport control & ministries customer services.
I think the step is good NO DOUBT IN IT ... But I feel little bit confuse when i ask to qatari regarding Qatarization ... Their first sentence is "why not ??? We are qatari we have the first right to get JOB " Yes i agree with all what they are saying BUT in every country there are some criterias to fill for a position especially in managerial or Clerical Level Jobs ... In India,Bangladesh , Pakistan , Egypt , USA ETC for a small government Post you have to struggle a lot even if you are national .... They have lot of tests interviews just to select a junior Clerk ..... I personally agree that the first chance should be given to Qataris but if they are qualified ... There is a quote "Half-Doctor is Dangerous for Patient"...
skdkak - I am getting a lot of invitation for coffee meetings these days :)
This only applies to the bulk ministries following the ministry of labour as ministry of education, finance, interior & others. Government corporations like Ashgal, Kahramaa or Qtel has their own HR which follows their own regulation for qatarisation.
"In western countries these jobs are not being done by locals but either
they hire Indians, Pakistanis, Turkish etc. to do those jobs. Many
have to be on rock bottom before they would think about such a job. "
In the west they do hire Indians, Pakistanis etc. to do those jobs...BUT you also see locals doing those jobs as well, and no they are not all on "rock bottom." In the west you also see Indians, Pakistanis in top managerial roles, something you do see much here....The main difference is they have workers rights and they get paid more then 600 QR, which is how it should be.
I was raised in a upper class neighbourhood - when I turned 16 (like most of my friends) I did the most s*** job - to be taught responsibility and the value/meaning of money...... You don't see that here.
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
wink wink. how dare u dive first. I am a qatari pilot. i do piloting even in SUV.. remember, i am in aircraft. by the time their discussion gets over.. u see an extra hole in pearl with new lake with a small island (nose of the craft)
the Pearl is made for what? crash landing? heck if there are Qatari pilots they might go and start blinking their lights to the aircraft in front of them rofl! this is so funny.
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they said 4600 unemployed, how many of em are employable
charan. come back to qatar. u need a lime juice to get over with hang over.
there is no rebecca. u are in debt to bank.
u can max. think of Dubai.. swiss is toooooooooo far away.
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you and rebecca enjoying lifes in Swiss.
loooooooooooooooooool
ok so come then.
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smokey. y are u forgetting Pearl is made for this situation dude.
how poor are u in remembering
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My job here pay very poorly. I want a good paid job. Rebecca will surely follow me to swiss with me. I even can deposit that money in a swiss bank:)
hmm imagine em hiring Qataris to pilot the Qatar Airways crafts...one leg on top, cell phone in the hand and hell knows where we'll land. lol
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Tell me any single organization run by 100% of Qatari no matters 90% only?If you want to make some experiment take one organization if successful go ahead if not at least messed up one only.
and remember...no Rebecca in Switzerland.
;-D
Swissgirl - any job for me in Swiss land :)
To abolish a system or set up will definitely makes matter big or small depends on planning.But here in Qatar many times in many dept. they cleaned up expat and after some times again they started hiring expats. I mean this is not a short of game which they are playing with some ones livelihood?
Probably they will use new graduates in the future - I don't know but fact is that Qataris will need to work for their future they are building their country ex-pats will come and go but they will stay. What is 4,700 jobs compared to the amount of people they will need. A drop in the ocean.
A very good initiative by Qatari Authorties but point is that they must aslo improve the motivation level of Qataris so that they can to perform work equally good.
They must also do justice by holding Qataris equally responsible incase they dont perform their task diligently, prudently or accordingly.
In long run Qatari would face difficulty as giving leniency to Qatari will directly effect them and might develop a habit of doing less work.
Live and let live...
Guys, did you notice that SureUp Cream ad on this thread? Oooff!
This is not Qatarisation but an insult of expat employee if they really want to promote Qatari's for the job there are many way without replacement.Stop recruiting new staff (expat) right from today don’t wait for 2009 you don't issue visa.
But this is not a fare policy you keep recruiting onside and replacing another side.
here in swiss for example we have many expatriats working in the medical field.
but they are working in any sector and i can say once again without them life would be not that easy like it is now.
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Don’t compare Qatar with western or any other country there situation is entirely different.They are not doing lower grade job is fine : but they are not able to handle other jobs also like technical and professional jobs though this is not the case in Europe they are capable do all and doing many of them.
Skdkak..he who makes his bed must sleep in it too right?
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smoke . do u want to atleast sleep in peace.
these engineers will make a house of cards.
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charan.. i am not leaving my sponsor so easily man.
cv is of some1 else.
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yes but why only the Non Specialist jobs...forget the labour jobs then..how about Engineers? Why are they hiring so many outside technical workforce? i'm sure the Qataris are smart enough to hold such positions as well?
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skdkak - so now I can apply for the post vacated by you :)
thanks 4 that. never thought u are so bhullakad (forgetful for the rest of qLERS)
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Yep .... already forwarded to concern dept .... I will chk the status today ! good that you have reminded me
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i think its in every country the same.there are some jobs locals dont want to do and they hire expatriats for them.
here i want to say *THANK YOU* for all those expatriats doing this jobs in Swiss.Without you many things would not work as perfect as they do.
Expatriats are important for every country.
:-D
On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
(Antoine de Saint-Exupery)
Hey Speed. how u doing. any progress abt the CV i sent u ??????
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See they are not talking about menial labour jobs, so don't put that on here, they are talking about administrative and managerial positions and they are already doing this here in my office. Any contracts that run out or the person is not doing their job they are removed to another department doing another job and being replaced by Qataris.
Even if there are Qataries enjoying benfits etc. what is the point of getting upset about it - it is not your nor my business.
I know a great many Western expats working here who are picking up QR 60,000.00 plus plus plus at the end of the month, and are doing next to nothing for that money.
Then don't preach to me about all the labour jobs not being occupied by Qataries, in many Western countries these jobs are not being done by locals but either they hire Indians, Pakistanis, Turkish etc. to do those jobs. Many have to be on rock bottom before they would think about such a job.
All the managerial position must be non specialist Job
depends on how you classify "specialist jobs".
I know of clerical and other non-technical jobs that are classed as "specialist".
where are they going to throw those non-specialist staff they have now next year???
Are they going to be transfer those staff to another company? or just send them home???
"Even if LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."
"Make a difference or make way"
sales boy job? what products do u have under ur belt??
From now on we can find the jobs are advertised as 'Customer care specialist', 'Letter Dispatch Expert' and will be filled by experts.. ;-)
Non Specialist jobs are Administration/ HR/ Secretry/ Receptionist/ Customer Services etc..
People in such jobs will be targeted specially at the time of Renewal of RP.
I have already kept my bags ready
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Yes I am looking for a sales boy job. I think skdkak can help me with this respect :)
no ur not..u just said Tea boy is a non specialist job? u better start looking out for another job.
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Mine is Tea Boy. so I am in the safe side here ;)
phew so my job as a janitor is safe :) woohooo!!
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Cleaner, Tea boy, Driver, Mechanic, house maid etc. etc. are some the non-specialist jobs
and i was just about to post that very same question...what are these non specialist jobs?
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By the way, what are "non-specialist jobs" anyway? They did not specified those on the published article. Any idea guys?
Saudi adapted this in 2003. Every year 5% of expat jobs has to be filled with locals.
woohoo i can sin all day today! Happy Easter :)
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I'm off today! "Every once in a while, declare peace -- it confuses the hell out of your enemies." - Quark quotes a Rule of Acquisition, "The Homecoming"
Canary i never said they dont have the right to be employed FIRST by all means let them do so? Theres plenty of sweepers jobs, drivers jobs, labours job..why dont they start there? or is it that they want a nice cozy office job only? Perhaps the Karwa taxi drivers should all be Qataris coz they should know their way around town better? and as far as this topic goes... i think they are being well provided for by the govt.
Now tell me canarybird would a Qatari work in the above mentioned positions? even for triple the pay an expat is getting? Its very easy to come here and give talks about how Qatari have the right to this and that...so what? lets not forget we didnt come here and take their jobs...they are the ones that hired us in the first place to do their jobs..whats the harm...we get paid for our work. Oh and about the salaries and the govt not paying for non productive people i think that whole “There are many Qataris on the payroll of government departments. They enjoy all the privileges and allowances without doing any type of work."
Red pope u can ask everyone the same question...what the heck are u doing online dont u have some confessions to make?
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u can go screw her up anyplace and i care a hoot if u go in a bullock cart . LOL
ther is a msng in ur PM
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Have you ever actually hugged a rose bush? When you decide to call me I want to watch and see how much it is worth.
It's better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt Abraham Lincoln
skdkak - shall I invite Rebecca to tour Taj Mahal with me in a new Tata Nano :)
this is not bad.. they really should teach & trained their own people to work...
Its also unfair for the expats who doing all those jobs for them & getting less than what they should get...
I just hope that this news is true & will be implemented soon...
"Even if LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."
charan: u sure did but what u are imagening is a dream. u realy really need to know Ratan Tata very well to get those kind of figures.
suggession: y dont u freking delete ur previous mails in ur inbox to enjoy more in rebacca's lap.
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skdkak - My PM box is full these days. I am receiving countless invitations for friendship, coffee evening and nights etc. etc.
BTW I replied to your PM already :)
ok,i got it
by the way
HAPPY EASTER TO YOU
:-D
just like Saudization where there is a Filipino actually doing the work and two people are paid for one position or like in America where you must hire minorities in order to qualify for tax breaks so once again the employer must hire more people than needed to get the job done. There are numerous "woman owned companies" that get to bid higher than the other bidders and still win and they don't have a clue what business they are actually in it is strictly in their name just to get the classification. If there was "equality" there would be nowhere on the application asking what your ethnicity, religion, age or sex was.
There is all the difference in the world between treating people equally and attempting to make them equal.
CharansoilIs he sarcastic? Come on, Can't you see he is wearing a bow tie today with a three piece suit in bage with pin stripes in brown....but his short pants are the same suit pants that he had hem, only specially for easter day. "Every once in a while, declare peace -- it confuses the hell out of your enemies." - Quark quotes a Rule of Acquisition, "The Homecoming"
Swissgirl - what is the meaning of "scarstic". too big word for my understanding :)
are you ok today?
Hi [please stop swearing or you will be banned] Charan. do u ever chk ur PM on time
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In the traffic department of the old Parachute round inside there is a lady who types all the paper work for your car registration in one of the rooms in the back, she uses one of those Olivetti's type writers from the 1960's, ribbon type. She is very proficient in typing and fast, but what got me was the darn type writer is so old and why not a PC or a more updated type writer. "Every once in a while, declare peace -- it confuses the hell out of your enemies." - Quark quotes a Rule of Acquisition, "The Homecoming"
it is Qatar and they have to look first for their own peoples.
i find it good that way.
The Gov. departments will be very efficient after Qatarization. Good Luck to all lazy expatriates. Qatar doesn't need you. Hold on Is cleaning a specialist job?
Don't worry Smoke, Why are you using your company resources and bandwidth while browsing the internet?Is it because , You are a cat that is blonde and Bimbo with curly hair? "Every once in a while, declare peace -- it confuses the hell out of your enemies." - Quark quotes a Rule of Acquisition, "The Homecoming"
You see this is Qatari territory and they have the right to be emloyed first if they have the necessary qualifications, or do you think a Manager who is worlking his butt off wants to have personell there who are not pulling weight.
They have a right, and should work in their own country, they should be able to provide for their future families, especially the younger generation needs this kind of thing.
It is unfair to ask about what the salaries will be, but in the end do you think they will pay for people who are not productive, the government is not sleeping and many Qataris who are working for the government don't have a lot of free time.
i wonder why my country doesnt do this too? make me sit on my fat arse and pay me for doing no work! And canary do you think they wouldnt offer Qatari's a better salary package for the same job an expat is doing? Kinda makes u wonder who's gonna profit from Qatarisation...Qatari's or the Govt? Hiring people who will work for half the salary or hiring people who will do the same job and get paid more?
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Sounds like some Qataris have the ultimate job!!!
To a question, he admitted that there were many Qataris who were employed in the government departments but doing no work at all.
“There are many Qataris on the payroll of government departments. They enjoy all the privileges and allowances without doing any type of work."
This is their right to employ their own nationals, big question here is if they can find enough nationals interested in the jobs they are offering for the pay they are offering. So no need ot worry until this actually sets in.
thanks for the info!