Pakistani students shine

Blow raspberries at them - sse them quake in their shoes!

:)

good job guys,keep it up :)))))

adey, What action you are going to take against Gulf Times and Dawn?

gemz hab been alwayz dere.... just need 2 get polised

Milky_BarKid and adey! enjoy :)

Odd goings on with the saving process on QL - posts disappearing then coming back - in short, double post

Ok will send an invite through the Brit Group..

Math Boy sorry for the lil Hijack..:)

June! June! No time in May - Too much work!!!!

Plus my passport and RP card is in for renewal - so couldn't get in to a bar if I tried!! AH! but have my Irish Bar and W hotel cards

"Being a teacher please enjoy encouraging student regardless their caste and creed."

This is a given - in a school such as mine with 24 different nationalities I delight in all students success.

I am going to repeat again....in every post I made I was very certain to applaud these girls achievements and congratulate them - they deserve no less.

The point I was making was about the reporting of the story. I will quote you two of the responses on the Dawn News website article that may help explain my point a little:

"The Marching Morons says:

Today at 1:43 pm (8 hours ago)

A really good news, but will their idea be materialized or will it simply be a case of blank “mashallah” and no action?"

and

"Omer says:

Yesterday at 9:36 am

Can not find the names of this Pakistani team amongst the winners on the Intel official website?

http://www.intel.com/about/corporateresponsibility/education/isef/winners.htm

Did they actually win or say have an honourable mention or were just participants in the event?"

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/15/pakistani-students-win-prize-in-intel-science-fair.html

What I objected to was using these girls real achievements to bolster a rather nastily disguised piece of manipulated jingoism by the Dawn News journalists. It dishonoured their achivements and could serve to belittle them in the long run.

I do not object in anyway, shape of form, to the girls winning a prize for their hard work and talents - wherever they may come from.

I hope that is clear.

:)

Yes Adey.. I think it almost the time of the year when you need a well earned break from the West of the Country and come down to the brit Group gathering for a pint or two..:)

Ohh...

you're discussing regarding journalism ethics and values:P

But don’t you think everything has its right time.

There is some detailed/related news in today's news papers as well...

And yes, this is not the first time it's our routine performance...

Being a teacher please enjoy encouraging student regardless their caste and creed.

The Tribune is concise, to the point and has the relevent information.

The Dawn News and Gulf Times articles do not.

It was not the 'news' I did not like, I applaud it, I teach Pakistani girls and always encourage them to excel - rather it was the construction of the article I did not like(ie questioned)

I think we maybe arguing over two seperate and distinct points here.

:)

I wouldn't know how to compete with Suzzaine ;o)

hahahahaha britexpat ,dont worry ...i,m veryyy nice person.....& mathboy is right You will find out when you are there....so we are waiting......

& my name is suzain not Suzzaine.....

adey Bhaiya, if you don't like the news above read and enlighten the article below;

http://www.qatar-tribune.com/data/20110505/content.asp?section=Nation3_4

girlz.......whatever the case

It seems The Gulf Times got their story from Pakistan's Dawn News, here is, I believe, the full article that the Gulf Times edited down:

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/15/pakistani-students-win-prize-in-intel-science-fair.html

Dawn News correctly cite that the girls won A third place award in enviromental sciences rather than THE third place.

However they then go on to mention the two schools/students from the US that won the OVERALL 1st and 2nd places out of 1500 students taking part.

Whilst none of what they have written is incorrect, facts that they have been withheld and the juxtapostion of the two phrases I point to above make it appear that the Pakistani girls won 3rd place overall out of 1500 students. This is not the case, as I pointed out in previous posts.

Whether the journalists deliberatly manufactured this impression, or simply did not understand the data presented to them, is a matter of opinion. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that the careful juxtipostion of truthful statements with the ommission of clarifying data suggest, to me, that the journalists were engaged in an exercise to hoodwink their readership and inflate a sense of national pride regardless of the actual truth.

Once again I must state that I am not trying to denigrate the girls involved - they are stars who deserve praise and congratulations - rather my critic of this story is more concerned with the workings of the media in manipulating a story to fit an agenda.

Neither is this a pro USA post, I am not American and have no reason to hold a pro US bias - I cringe at the shouts of USA,USA, USA! whenever I hear them.

Just trying to find out the truth of the story as there was something about the post in the Gulf Times that didn't read and sit right, and I was interested as to what it could be.

If you are content with the media giving you false info and trying to manipulate your thoughts and opinions in such a way then these postings of mine will have been of no interest to you. However if you are interested in how the media and words can put a slant on, or downright distort, a story then I hope I have been of some service.

Finally, my lasts words on this post, as I have been careful to stress on all of my previous posts so as no one can be in any doubt about my opinion of these students - well done girls, you have done amazingly well, take a bow.

mashahAllah..congratulations

You will find out when you are there. We'll help you compete and win.

I wouldn't know how to compete with Suzzaine ;o)

Brit, When will you join Urdu group?

math bro is right

I have said this before and say it again... groups should be done away with....

My perception is that the thread by painther was deleted because it seemed to come as a response to a pakistani thread and the mods were afraid of inter bashing occurring..

I wonder what is more painful.. this thread isn't deleted or Pakistani students shine at world stage.

HGL

U said it very well.

suzi tatz the "BiggesT" unsolved mystery....:)

hmmm but why mod do this????

suzain check the link posted by painther and u will get ur answer...

Risks Head also shines!!! :P

why tat thread posted by Painther was delted with a note "Post in Indian Group" and what about this thread ?

rizki ,?????????

I just saw the Painther thread being deleted once again ... if a news or something related to India has to go to Indian Group what about the nonsense crap doled out incessantly about the happenings in west, be it even about a dog peeing on some god foresaken street ...shouldnt the MOD (who is so pissed at Indians and seems so much concerned about what is posted where) himself create a 'westerners corner' where all that nonsense can be posted.

This is unfair...

:(

ok Guyz carry on....

I'm off to work :)

LOL...!!!!

it doesn't matter who are Mods, obviously they are human beings but atleast we can expect a MINIMUM level of courtesy. They shouldn’t be so openly biased.

Anyways!! That’s how it is..no probs!!! Cheers!!

i dont care wat nationality they are, for me all nationalities are Equal.

but just wondering, why tat thread posted by Painther was delted with a note "Post in Indian Group" and what about this thread ?

B2D,

what about these

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1813308

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1802500

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1818545

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1828578

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1827707

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1827183

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1824703

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1821652

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1825539

Rizks, I think the mods are Pakistanis.

Exactly! Delete those irrelevant threads that have nothing to do with Qatar!!

Mods and what about this ?

Congrats Girls!

Good to start the day with good news :)

I'm all for women empowerment!!

Here's your neighbors-

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1828626

congratulations !!

Pakistanis should be proud of these two girls. They have done very well.

For the rest of us it should highlight the importance of educating girls in maths and sciences and encouraging them to pursue careers in the traditionally male fields. In other words, we need to see more 'Mathgirls', not just 'Mathboys'.

Adey--I think I get what you are saying with the maps and agree to an extent, but keep in mind also that many of the papers being published in the sciences in the US and Europe are coming from Asians (either immigrants or children of immigrants). To me it shows how these countries' educational systems are under-serving their children.

PS--Mathboy--VG5 said all was well with you two, so as far as I am concerned we're good too. Apologies for any ill feelings.

adey, Can you quote more references and compare if the news published in different newspapers is the same and if it is different, how different it is?

:)

for masquarading as journalists....now there's an idea!

:P

How about suing Gulf Times?

as I said - well done to the girls involved - an excellent achievement in a worldwide field. They should be proud of themselves, and quite rightly so.

However the truth of the of events is just that, the truth. No need to over-egg the pudding as it belittles the real achievements of these students to be used as false propoganda for nationalist fervour.

Once again well done - just getting the facts straight from the ever so reliable Gulf Times that probably got this story 3rd hand.

:)

Alter Dusty, Nah...that's not his job...

He pokes his nose in some specific issues only :D

Well said Ghazalz.

Congrats to the super girls and all the best for their future.

If you want to find out, be my guest mate. Not my job - it's yours if you're that interested.

Which cities around the world produce not just the most but the best scientific papers?

The circles in red plot lower performing cities and green for higher performing cities.

So a small green circle indicates a small high quality output and a big red circle indicates a high volume but lower quality output.

Quality of paper and its influence is determined by the number of citations - the more a paper is cited the more important it is.

The researchers were using data from Web-of-Science database http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_Science which is the largest accessible citation database with links to over 800.000.000 cited references.

For Physics:

http://www.leydesdorff.net/topcity/figure1.htm

For Chemistry:

http://www.leydesdorff.net/topcity/figure2.htm

For Psychology:

http://www.leydesdorff.net/topcity/figure3.htm

Well adey, to make it more simple, how many immigrants other than europeans?

I'm sure this is way more easier for you to find out ;)

The US is a nation of immigrants - if you want to go by family names check it out for yourself at:

http://www.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=308

I am sure you will find the answer you are looking for.

:)

see page 26 & 27:

http://www.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=308

Under the Environmental Sciences Category(1 of 17):

One school won the Best of Category Prize - S Korea ($5k)

Two schools won First Award prize - S Korea and US ($3k)

Four schools won Second Award prize - US, Canada, Argentina ($1.5k)

Six schools won Third Award prize - US, Malaysia & Pakistan ($1k)

Eight schools won Forth Award prize - US, S Korea, China ($500)

So the reality of the story is that there are multiple winners in each Award group - 5 in total - 21 recipients(15 of which were from the US) of prizes in this one category, of which the Pakistan school came somewhere between 8th at best and 13th at worst, being placed in in the 4th tier of prizes(not 3rd) - not forgeting that there is one prize above First Award (ie the Best of Category Prize)

Remember this is only within one category of 17.

Sorry to burst everyones bubble - Still, well done girls. But a media twisted story.

Mashallah... Keep up the good work. You are Pakistan's future :)

many informative posters to read over here.

Congrats to the Girls.

PS: Adey, how many immigrants are out of 13?

Our students always return with flying colors whenever they participate in completions among National, International and expatriate institutions... they receive a lot of appreciation, recommendation letters, trophies, merit certificates and thousands of Dollars and Riyals...

We never need your approval and support for our achievements brother!

Multiple post shows your enthusiasm :)

Good research work adey...

US won 13 out of 17 categories. I will find some useful maps about scientific reseach shortly - give me some time.

damn Qtel connection

double post

They did not come third out of 1500 students. They came 3rd in one category - there were 17 categories.

There were 3 overall winners - 1st and 2nd went to students from USA, 3rd place to Thailand.

See here for list of winners and prizes

http://www.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=309

- overall 400 hundred finalists recieved awards and prizes.

Not to denigrate the achievments of the Pakistani girls involved but it did seem as if the news story quoted in the OP was a wee bit redacted.

just getting the facts straight.

:)

Now give them a chance to learn and to move ahead instead of trying to put stone age obstacles in their way like done to so many other girls before them.

We are proud of your achievements, girls.

after long time

Intellectual exploitation!!!! $1000 prize??? When these Intel International Science and Engineering Fair organisers might take their idea and develop it further??? Hats off to them all winners!!!

Nice to hear girls are working hard and making Pakistan proud.

congratulation for those who grabbed 1st,2nd and 3rd positions...keep it up..

hey refinedsoul plz keep washing dishes..qatar living is not for mentaly sick people..first look your self then you comment on someone..

great pakistan forever

ROFL on zeeshan1983 :

Great Pakistan ?

Jelous or because of fear/dread ?

if we blast ?

whol world will be screw down ?

so never mess with us ?

are you so low on self-esteem?? you must be joking my friend!

Ahh what a plight, we have to rejoice on being 3rd!!! poor situation really!!

nevertheless weldone Girls!!

Weldon talented Students ..... Bhut Bhut Mubarik Ho..

well, i have observed that when any news posted related to Great Pakistan, in favor or against Lots of forien threads activated this is because of Jelous or because of fear/dread/ or they are showing their origin moto...RS beware from us...we do according to the situation if we blast then the whol world will be screw down to the floor like USSR......go to the history 1989........so never mess with us.....

gr8 news...........congratx to those genius minds......... and all the remainining participants.... gud work girls....

What? you must be joking blue,please don't say anything more about this.

oh Excellent and well done paki girls

math bro let it be here ..when a news about america, india or some other country or about osama or abama is posted , why they dont shift to their respective groups?

Well done to the two students. Always good to see more girls getting interested in science. I'm sure they will be heavily recruited by universities. The trick for Pakistan will be to persuade them to return, as opposed to contributing to the brain drain.

which news you were listen to, sure none of country would appreciate the effort & support of others!! your politicians are bribed for what they say, do they care about you or country a second.

hahahaha

Well done girls. Encouragement for others to follow suit ..

I like your D/p image RefinedSoul.

yeah mathboy ISI is right.....post this in Urdu group also....

MB kindly divert it towards your Group.

Thanks

Aha nice shot.

Mr. Obama has the details of 1st and 2nd position holders but that would be kept secret ..

RefinedSoul pls help morally and financially to some Labourers also in Industrial Area ..

RS ..I was listening to the News and they mentioned that the US Aid to Pakistan per year is less 0.5 percent of the Pakistan budget!

I always thought it was much more!

america's poor, support u much morally & financially. mean it!

Ohhh poor Americans...

Probably 1st and 2nd position for Some americans but their Identites were not disclosed bcoz that could increase chances of terroism in America and west....

well said..........

Refined better change your id to negativesoul.

Great...well done girls!!

kindly post it in the pakistan group!

why????any problem????

Something? thats one major something! Well done...good for all those winners.Their folks must be thrilled!

those positions are kept in secret to preserve the image of pakistan.

Well Done Pakistan.

:)

well I forsee this thread going down the drain :(

Now dont tell me that the second or 1st positions went to the Indians?..:)

yes, its rocking nowadays coz of america's presence :)

Great news ... Pakistan rocks !

Gr8.. something is better then nothing..

after long time

& U Think its a news to the world, those who stood first & second names are not much appreciated too, or kindly post it in the pakistan group!

The only problem is that hope these braniacs stay in Pakistan and dont immigrate to western countries for better futures...

congrats

wow great news & Well done girls........

a great achievment by scoring 3rd position among 1500 competitors from 52 nations!

Well done to them and to those who came 1st and 2nd ahead of them..