Positive outcome from stupid film

Who is this Railway minister? Why is he encouraging violence and murder?

QDCLover : perfectly fine!

So if the Americans kill the Railways Minister in a drone attack then that is justified as he is inciting people to murder?

Adey,

Thx so much mate. Tell it like it is.

I 'm liking the cut of your jib my boy

Yeah abo, let's blame everyone for the actions of some bad ppl. Let's punish everyone that had nothing to do with the film!!!!

Aboo, I am certain that a lot of people think this is a wonderful idea, me included! Now we only have to convince the politicians!

This is an excellent idea. Give the money to those countries where the embassies are not attacked.

May I suggest that the United Kingdom is deserving of some funds...

Elizabeth Jones, assistant of Hilary Clinton, has declared in Tunisia yesterday, that the USA might stop its financial aids to countries where the US emabassies have been attacked because of the hate film.

In my opinion, the logical reply to these threats is, for the governments of these countries, to close all US embassies in their countries, deport all US diplomats from their countries, and to close all their embassies in the USA.

Diplomatic relations should not be renewed until the US apologizes about the movie, take all measures to delet it from all media, punish the producers of the movie, and regret such words & threats that came from this Elizabeth.

"...Insanity: but the Islamic culture makes very insulting remarks against followers of other religions, and even the Quran it self doesn't seem to have a high regard for today's religious scripts of these religions.

bottom line is give respect to get respect...."

Quran according to muslims is the word of Allah and it is mentioned in Quran that the ONLY religion acceptable in the eyes of Allah is Islam.

Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh is Swift in calling to account. (Aali Imran 3:19)

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. (Aali Imran 3:85)

So Quran does not show respect to people who knowingly conceal the truth even though true knowledge has reached them. However Quran is the word of Allah and this disrespect is from him;

However Quran does not give license to muslims to insult OR abuse other religions or people from other faith; rather it mentions the following:

And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh, lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair­seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do. (Al-An'am 6:108)

Rather it exhorts the muslims to be polite and gracious:

"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." Noble Qur'ân 16:125

Hence we need to understand the context and refer to the background of the verse to understand and interpret Quran correctly.

When in the Quran, Allah commands certain acts, like fighting against certain groups of disbelievers of Islam, these verses were specifically for the disbelievers at the time of the Prophet, who were killing and oppressing Muslims and turning them out of their own homes, simply because they refused to worship other God's besides Allah, and give up their faith. It's not to mean all disbelievers of Islam in general and certainly not non Muslims who do us no harm.Likewise some verses in the Quran were abrogated with the coming of others.

And for anyone to know this it's essential to study the Quran with it's authentic explanation, and not simply try to interpret it on your own.

We Muslims believe the Quran is the speech of God. Thus the words in the Quran are not from us but from God alone. Yes God does not like that anyone be worshiped besides Him. But He dose not command us mere mortals to speak with disrespect about other's God's. Rather He says: "And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge.."(6:108)

Any Muslim who is thus heard or seen mocking another's faith, and insulting another's beliefs/Gods are then disobeying Allah's orders.

Insanity: but the Islamic culture makes very insulting remarks against followers of other religions, and even the Quran it self doesn't seem to have a high regard for today's religious scripts of these religions.

bottom line is give respect to get respect.

I only conveyed the hadith, which is saheeh, as it is.. the nature of the years, Allah knows best. Is it as long as the ones on earth? Is it in fact longer? Truly God alone knows..

Are talking "light years" here, Fatimah?

For those who claim that Islam and/or Muslims are not condemning this demonic act then know that the Prophet Himself said " "Whoever kills a person (non Muslim)who is under an agreement or treaty (with the Muslims), he will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, even though it's fragrance can be found from the distance of 40 years away." And "Allaah has forbidden for him paradise"

Note today all non Muslims living in Muslim lands, as well as those non Muslims living in Non Muslim governed countries who are not at war with any Muslim lands, are all considered under treaties with Muslims. So unless it's a case where they are given a capital punishment by the state for crimes like murder and rape, killing a Muslim or non Muslim is forbidden..period!

Not just that,considering that the late ambassador and the other two men killed with him were given protection by the Muslim leaders of the land,the following saying of the Prophet also applies.:

And the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said:

"The assurance of protection of the Muslims is one, so whoever betrays the assurance of protection and safety of another Muslim, then upon him is the curse of Allaah, and (the curse) of the Angels, and (the curse) of all the people."

So no one can ever claim that what those individuals did(the heartless killing of the US ambassador) was right or just.

As one student of Islamic knowledge in Kuwait wrote,in an excellent article condemning these attacks and killings carried out by the protesters, "the prophet cannot be defended by oppression and misguidance"

Whilst what the filmmaker and his cronies did was instigating and disgusting to say the least, their actions, as Non Muslims, would not have saddened the Prophet as much the evil and mayhem the so called Muslims did would! Ultimately if nothing else one thing positive did come out of this film, it showed some of us Muslims how important gaining knowledge is, so when faced with trials we would know how to react and not just give into our emotions and commit acts of sin and oppression.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2012/09/22/brazilians-march-against-anti-islam-film?videoId=237923212

Russia bans showing of anti-Islam film as it is deemed extremist because it could incite ethnic and religious hatred.

Sensible indeed!

And it did what I had talked about "authorities would bar access to YouTube if its owner, Google Inc., failed to abide by a court order to block access in this nation to the film"

"...It’s funny how everyone is up in arms against those who made the movie instead of showing disgust at the mobs who attack and killed the American ambassador? Some folks need to learn how to deal with free speech..."

The killing of american ambassador is detestable and in no way permissible by islam and all muslims should condemn it.

However frankly speaking when the US forces kill hundreds of innocents in afghanistan and iraq and call it as Collateral damage they should also be prepared to face some collateral damage on their side.

Secondly, for muslims, respect of Islam and our prophet SAWS are much more important than anything and everything in this world - and it can't be exchanged for anything (including free speech).

Lastly as many ql'ers have already stated - when law can be made against denial of holocaust then why can't law be made for blasphemy ???

Education if not properly utilized is dangerous...

Education doesnt give you sensibilities.

Denial of the holocaust is NOT a crime in the US. Never has been. It's done every day.

Mandi

Profit? :/

Abo,.. I totally agree with you,.. you may think this is the typical Arabic mentality, but someday the fact will be revealed that Israel is behind all of this,...

they planned for it to be in 11-September,.. the keyword to fire and refresh the west hate to Muslims,.. or you believed the story about the hijacked airplanes by some Muslim pilots reading "flying for dummies"...!!

I really did not see the movie,.. and do not feel sad for the profit (PBUH). because stars do not care about barking dogs,.. BUT I really felt very bad about the poor Ambassador who was killed for no reason in Libya,...

the future will come revealing this Zionist country is the reason of all sin in this word,.. for us or for generations to come,...

Many of us know that old joke about the 4 passengers in a train cabin: a Chinese young lady, an Israeli young man, a German old woman and an American man. The train goes into a tunnel, it is pitch dark, there was a sound of a kiss, then a slap on the face, inside the cabin.

Once the train was out of the tunnel, the four passengers started analyzing the source of the kiss and the slap…

The old German woman said to herself: what a decent girl! That Israeli young man was impolite and she stopped him with a slap

The young Chinese lady thought: what a stupid American! He kisses the old lady and he forgets about me!

The American thought: what a lucky bastard! He gets to kiss while I get the slap!

The Israeli is smiling to himself: they will never know…I kissed the back of my hand and gave the American a slap he will never forget!

This hate movie against Islam originates from the same concept of the train story

The radical Judaism was the impolite party to Islam, It was planning to give America a slap it will never forget, and this is exactly what it has achieved.

They produced a low quality movie, intending to boil the Islamic world against America and to create a new and continuous “Septemberic” panic that would work as a reminder to the Americans that the Muslims are the permanent threat to the world. They were also aiming to warn America that supporting the “Arab Spring” would result in producing radical Islamic governments which adopts chaos, attacks on embassies and terrorizing their subjects.

They were also determined to set an example of the above, thru “killing the American ambassador” in Libya, while the other countries that are on the train, are still condemning the action, and the reaction, in the same magnitude and direction.

No logical person can hold the American government responsible for the planning and production of this movie. The elections are very near, and September memory always sheds fear and panic, therefore this government has no interest in making Muslim enemies, whether in America or in the “friendly” countries, at this stage.

Thus, there is “someone” who chooses the timing and the matter in such a great accuracy. And since the radical Judaism is the only one left in this cabin of a dark tunnel, therefore it is surely the party who was impolite and who slapped and continue to slap in the dark absence of logic.

While watching the angry crowds attacking the American embassies around the world, I realized that we are very far away from understanding what is being planned for us in those hidden caves across the Atlantic.

Those powers who William Guy Carr warned about in his book “Stones On A Chessboard”, are still very much active and they are running the show in full control.

No?!

Abo from where did you copy this? Heard about plagiarism?

LP that is so sad if that is true man... i hope not..

However, innocence always includes a bit of stupidity.

They are radicalized by some insane hate-preachers with long beards, robherr. Inside they are good and innocent.

People also need to realize that "THE WEST" actually refers to over a hundred different countries and cultures. And that one "western" country does not necessarily think or behave like another "western" country.

People need to differentiate between Americans (the people) and America (the government and its policies).

but everything you said about the US is wrong.

You could be an American citizen, you could be living in the US for 85 years, but still you have no idea what you are talking about and you need to work on that.

Lol Abo, when did you become an expert on America.. Only God is the expert. You and your beliefs are the reason the world is messed up. Control yourself, not expect to control others and force your opinions on who knows more or less then the other.

this film was bad, I agree, but don't go around with your superior attitude that you know more then anyone else!!!!

You attack others saying they live on mars, etc I think you are the one with the IQ problem, and have deep obsession about what America is or isn't.

I will not waste my time with such a person as you anymore on this thread, I have better things to do, then spread hate around, and read such nonsense from you.

salam

Abo said "Ever wondered why people around the world hate America?" I wonder why these people so-called hating america, after they protested against america they will go to KFC or Mcdonalds to eat? Some of them r using iphones or wearing clothes made in US or watch hollywood movies.. So funny. If people around the world hate america then why so many people patronizes US brands/products etc...?

No one even knew about the film, before the people were start, burning the flags, attacking the Embassies, violence, protests…..bla bla bla, so it was a very successful advertisement by muslims (Free of charge) for Google & YouTube.

Nothing happened! The video has not been removed from you tube until now. Even it is widely available in Qatar as well?

but everything you said about the US is wrong.

You could be an American citizen, you could be living in the US for 85 years, but still you have no idea what you are talking about and you need to work on that.

If the west (USA or any other western country) can ban any media that expose the truth about the making of the "holocaust", then the west can ban any media that insult the sacred figures of other nations.

If the west can throw any thinker, philosopher, author or researcher in jail just because they have concluded studies about the real figures of the so called "holocaust", then the west can throw in jail any person who'd dare to make a movie insulting the sacred figures of other nations.

You need to get your info right, mimi, before you make such false statements on the web. it seems that you are living in Mars.

Or you have been fooled by the western/US systems where they made you believe that they have democracy and freedom of speech. (Remember what happened to the Communists of Holywood?)

OK forget about the "holocaust" and the communists.

Try no to take a public supporting stand of Al-Qaeda & Osama, and try to make a movie in Holywood to hail and glorify Osama. Or, even cheaper, try walking in the streets with a big image of Osama printed on the front of your T-shirt, then come and tell me about the freedom of speech.

I wonder: if you were wearing a T-shirt with a big image of Osama printed on it, and if you end up being attacked and beaten by the people in the street, are these the same people who attcked the US embassador in Libya?

You claim that "people like me who have hate to USA"

Wow! Very "clever" of you! What a "wonderful" IQ level you have!

Question: why don't "people like me" have any "hate" to the Czech republic?

Ever wondered why people around the world hate America?

Ever decided one day to blame the cause and not the result? The action and not the reaction?

My advice to you: when your IQ level reaches 80, sell!

nomerci,

Regarding "my obsession" with the "holocause"...hmmm

let's see:

in the west:

they have no respect to God, prophets, saints...etc

they trash the church, the holy books, the religious & social rules and regulations....etc

Men are allowed to marry men, women are allowed to marry zebras...etc

BUT...you will be damned & hunted if you dare open the issue of the "holocaust"

Who's obsession is it?

salamkaratt : The laugh is on you my friend :)

(Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled) Surat At-Tawbah 9:29

The President told the Assembly the United States had “nothing to do with the crude” anti-Islam film which mocked Prophet Mohammed and ignited deadly anti-American protests across the Muslim world.

Abo....

Slander of Prophet of Islam should be condemned just as desecrated churches are and the denial of Holocaust is.

Obama also warned that in 2012 “when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button, the notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete!

“Let us remember that Muslims have suffered the most at the hands of extremism … the Muslims claiming to be Muslims, attack each other all the time, Sunni against Shiite's.

Where is peaceful Islam in that????

I just pray this World can learn to live side by side each other, and Unite.

Salam

Trader123...Israel is the center of jewish communities all over the world including Jewish in Brazil..STill at least we see a very rare occasion where Jewish & Muslims & Christians unite.. Unfortunately, in this thread of mine some people does not seem to unite..Though i truly respect everybody's opinions but guys.. ur respective opinions only show what kind of human beings u r..

So, according to most muslims,jews and chtistians God is omnipotent and omniscient.

He has planned everything in advance......so he knew about, planned and approved the making of this video and it's subsequent release on Youtube.

People seem to be protesting against god's plan! How strange! I don't see god 'smiting anyone because he has taken offence......so why are you?

Or could it be that there is no god? Therefore the whole problem, on which ever side of the fence you take, is a complete waste of everyones time!

ps Religion poisons everything!

AboBaaboo said LP & MarcoNandoz ...

There is no such thing as "democracy" & "freedom of speech" in America, the west, or in any other country.

What is happening now is a clear and simple wave of hatred and insult against Islam, that is organized by the American government.

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You are so wrong about you comments here! I am American, and lived over 30 years in U.S.A.

Freedom of speech is very much alive there, and this film was made because of that right, the government had nothing to do with it. Have you ever lived in USA???

If you have, you would see for yourself how many Nazi's are there, and they utilize this right to freedom of speech!!! They get protected by the police, army, etc when they hold their racist marches, etc in front of the public. We who do not believe in their views, are held back on the streets with barriers from trying to bash them, as they march and spread their hate!

Freedom of speech is very much alive there. Your opinion is wrong. It is impossible for the US government to block everything that gets up-loaded every sec to YouTube. It is not china, it is a country that lives by a constitution,which includes freedom of speech. that maybe should be revised, but for now this freedom of speech is alive, and used by unfortunately some people who have bad intentions towards others who don't believe in the same things..

For you Abo, I suggest you take you opinions and get real!!! There are over 200 million Muslims in USA. You and the other closed minded ppl need to stop blaming or holding the USA government responsible for what they had nothing to do with. It is a small group of people that did this film abusing the freedom of speech, that should be blamed, not me, or anyone else that had nothing to do with it simply because we are American!

Conspiracies are made by closed-minded people.

What is happening now is a clear and simple wave of hatred and insult against Islam, that is organized by the American government.....

.No Abo.....what's happening is because of people like you who have hate for USA. That need to educate themselves with Facts, not spread hate.

Aboo, really my friend, your eternal obsession with the Holocaust is becoming a little worrysome....

On the contrary,

I do not support extreme reactions like killing. Muslims should only react by publishing media to expose of the lie called the "holocaust".

But if such extreme reactions happen, then I can only feel sorry but can't blame them

And to answer your question: Yes! I will be killed if I issue a movie to insult or make fun of the "victims of the holocaust"

nothing to say

Abo, are they going to kill you if you make a joke about the holocaust? Yes? Or no? Your argumentation is as fake as your avatar.

Saying something or making a video that is insulting is a bit different from killing, isn't it? Maybe not for you, Abo. It's the only way these "Muslims" know: killing. Very poor performance, I'd say. There are other ways to show disgust.

Dear robherr soft....

...but the news says only about jews in brazil and muslims of brazil.....not the state of israel....

There is no such thing as "democracy" & "freedom of speech" in America, the west, or in any other country.

Not even in Youtube or qatarliving.

There were many threads deleted without notice from the gods/mods of QL, for what I'm about to say:

PL, since you mentioned the Nazis, earlier:

No one on earth can publish a book or a movie to prove to the public that the "holocaust" is a big lie that was created by the Zionists.

No one can publish any media to insult or make fun of the alleged "victims of the holocaust" or the "gas chambers"

Once I see such items allowed, then I can respect the "western" systems.

What is happening now is a clear and simple wave of hatred and insult against Islam, that is organized by the American government.

We can not blame the angry reactions in Libya for killing the American embassador. In the end, it was only a reaction. We should condemn the action

So? I guess these people who are offended are LOOKING for trouble! And then they can vandalise.

Do you listen to a song you don't like? Probably not. Why do you watch a video you don't like?

nomerci, good idea. They already have:"the video might be disturbing for some viewers" or such on the BBC. If you choose to watch it anyway, it's your own fault. NOBODY forces you to! Even Timebandit, a QL member, posted his photos of the Villagio disaster with the remark:" Some pictures are disturbing." View at your own risk.

worst actors and actress

'DO what you like'

'Don't do what you don't like'

Well, maybe Youtube should put a "RS" rating on religiously sensitive clips. Then people who are religiously sensitive would know and could decide not to watch them. Problem solved! No violence, outrage and killing . Everybody can go on about their business in peace.

I agree,but can't we be more responsible when we refer to a religeous scripture and not quote out of contest or say something that is even not there in the book,what is the intention here? where does the Quran call non- Muslims apes and swans!?this indeed is a negative "outcome"from at least some QLers

War is Ugly! not Holy

"The Quran doesnot call for holywar.."

But people who claim to be Muslims do!

There is a positive outcome. Demonstrations in peace. And even on QL there is no fighting and bashing on this thread.

may I suggest a change of name for the thread itself -'negative outcome from stupid movie'

I felt more so when i read the above comment by MarcoNandoz-01

The Quran doesnot call for holywar on non-Muslims and this is the first time I'm being told that the Quran calls non-Muslims apes and swans!?,please do not distort or quote out of contest

blisteringbarna: Well in this case youtube should also remove all koran vid's where it calls for holy war on non-Muslims and calls non-Muslims apes and swans. to me that is far more offending.

I am not a muslim... but I surely didnt like what I saw... If they can rate porn they can rate stuff like this...

Marco it has definately crossed the Youtube Comunity Guidelines

http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines

YouTube Community Guidelines

- YouTube is not a shock site....dont post things intended to shock or disgust.

- We encourage free speech and defend everyone's right to express unpopular points of view. But we don't permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation/gender identity).

The alleged movie had no nudity seen in it, and what "sensibilities" we are talking about here exactly?

youtube shows heaps high quality materials about Christianity and other religions which are far more insulting than this immature home-made movie. Do not expect the rules to change to fit your own biased “sensitivities”

Why youtube is not showing nudity? Although it is there in movies? Because it is against the "sensibilities". Youtube gives nude clips adult Rating and more adult clips get R-Rating/Xrating whatever and so the clips get censored in Qatar. Porn as such is not hosted on Youtube at all.

Similarly in this case also it is against the "sensibilities". So all they have to do is give it an R rating So that the clip will be blocked by Qatar and similar GCC countries. If they cant give the movie an R then it is obvious they are also indirectly supporting the maker of the movie.

brit also has a point as the actors have filed a case against the director...

You, supporters of a ban remind me of the Nazis. They burnt all the books that were against their "religion"!! The problem was, that some people had the books in their heads and could remember them word by word.

LP...lol the argument is not whether there is God or not!

Governments have told Google to blur out sensitive Military areas on Google Maps and they have complied after some hesitation.

QBS and QTV can stay, they never show any crimes in Qatar!

Al Jazeera should also be banned because they show the crimes of the Syrian government every single day!

YouTube should not be banned. However, there is some justification for removing the video, since according to many participants (actors) , it was made under false pretences.

BECAUSE THEY made the movie, ha, ha, ha!

Brit, of course they do, but I question their right to do so. Imagine a guy who has three PHds, who in a government would know what this guy was allowed to see and what not? Didn't he prove that he is a full member of the society by getting three degrees? Didn't he prove that he is able to make decisions? Or does it count nothing? Then everything is wrong. Possibly that's the case anyway.

And why should youtube be banned?

There you are: money wins over everything, even religion. Isn't it a shame?

In a way they do. This is why the censors are there :O)

Its all about markets... if Youtube gets banned in all the Muslim countries they would loose substantial revenue... Youtube wouldnt like that...

And who are the governments to tell the people what to see or not? Are they gods? Knowing everything better? You'd make me laugh (if it wasn't so sad).

the government can't tell youtube shyt. neither the The Bill of Rights nor the American constitutions allows it.

Why cant the governments tell Youtube to take it off... if they dont then ban youtube...

if you read other posts, many of us have spoken up gainst the mobs and the murder of the US Ambassador.

It’s funny how everyone is up in arms against those who made the movie instead of showing disgust at the mobs who attack and killed the American ambassador? Some folks need to learn how to deal with free speech

I think you tube is standing by its policy of freedom of speech? Ridiculous... Freedom always comes with responsibility and sensibility.

Freedom of expression needs to be respected.

You Tube is enjoying the extra publicity and hits :O(

youtube have not found it inappropriate is just unbelievable."

No, it's not. Double standards is normal in the west.

You need to fight them with their own weapons & use the same tactics they use.

What I cant understand is that the Movie is still there on Youtube!

1. The movie is made with the sole intention of insulting Muslims and creating riots and manslaughter. Which could lead to weakning of the Government control on its population and also could lead to toppling the governments.

2. I cannot believe the movie is still there on Youtube. I mean dont they have a "Flag/inappropriate" option. They do have this link and to think youtube have not found it inappropriate is just unbelievable.

yes that's what the brotherhood in the sense...

Muslims loves and respects the prophet at high degree. This is well known by everyone. By knowing this fact very well, why do they make such films. It is so simple their intention is to create a panic in society.

Time to unite and live peacefully brothers and sisters.

Israel and muslims have issues for a long time.. that is a given fact but at least due to that stupid film they are somehow united and we should all have a positive view on this not to reignite some fire.

Airsupply!!!!

do you think that some men are proud to be "savage" when they fight for their cause?

and what about this

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/24/233977.html

this rage is not only in Islam

Try making an insulting movie about the Buddhists, or Sikhs or Hindus, and you will see the consequences.

On the other hand, try making an insulting movie about the "concentration camps", and they will hunt you all over until you are dead.

Now we have a minister putting 100,000 $ on the head of the producer of the film (a "railway minister"?) (do railways need ministers?)