Qatar Schools to reopen on October 4

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@ andyant................sorry, but it really shows that you are new here......LOL What are you scared someone is going to hear you complain? Most of us here have been here a really long time (myself for 33 years in the ME) and for all the wonderful things that this part of the world has to offer there are things that are just as frustrating. You will learn that in time. :)

The thing is that in Australia if your kid is sick..........any normal parent will keep them at home. Sadly this common practice back at home is largely disregarded here. For goodness sakes..........most people here don't understand how important it is to strap their kids into seatbelts.....let alone keep them at home when they are running a fever.

ASD has done an amazing job to follow a swine flu protocol.

Just to let you others know, Tots corner remains open. And I just went to the HMC pharmacy, and they have no idea when the seasonal flu vaccine nor the H1N1 Swine flue vaccine will arrive. They did tell me though that when it does it will go to the schools.

So to me, this week, keeping our school closed was a complete waste of time. Although I must admit.......I have a new found respect for the hard work our teachers do!!!! I never knew it could be so time consuming!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

stupidity...decision from people that have no idea about what they are doing...

GULF TIMES yesterdays edition was right...

AS lot of things in this country, decision are taken withpout brain...

my child still go to busy bees since 27sept. i thought, schools and offices are more secure places coz they hv policy - stay home when u sick - but malls dont hv policy for sick people. just my two cents.

when everyone is back in classes.

According to a news article in Gulf Times today:

"According to a report published in Arrayah Arabic daily, forms indicating the significance of the vaccine, its side effects and precautions would be distributed among students to have a no-objection from parents for their children to get the flu shot."

"Marriage is a wonderful institution...but who wants to live in an institution?" -- Groucho Marx

Have the flu jab squad vaccinated any school staff yet? They'd better get a move on or they won't get the job done by the end of the week.

I am uncertain as to what the actual purpose is of keeping kids out of school when there is no outbreak of any kind?

I have heard however that Qatar had a LOT of the spring version of the flu, and everyone is concerned that the fall version will be particularly virulent. The schools here in the states have been doing massive education, passing out sanitizers, insisting on religious handwashing and no touching etc etc for the last 3 weeks. My concern is that after all of this, if there actually IS an outbreak, the kids will be missing more school-the ones who are ill and all those they go to school with.

The good news is that my son, who will probably have at least 2 weeks out when we move, will probably be about as even as possible with the other 4th graders since you all are getting such a break:) I can find the bright spot in all of this, but it sucks for summer vacation-which I imagine is necessary for survival over there.

Perhaps they should institute a "non-family day" policy to keep the kids out of the malls this week!

Mandi

I was in Landmark this morning, and saw loads of kids and their parents roaming around. It's ticked me off..why in the mall but not in the school? What's the purpose and such a waste of time pulling off the kids from the school when we know some of our kids are already starting their academic year earlier than the locals schools. Luckily for my kids, the teachers post up the homeworks online so that they can catch up the missing days.

It's nearly impossible. Are they going to go to 6 day school weeks? Continue on until July (even though most external exams for older students begin in early May)? It's pure craziness...

At least at ASD, the curriculum is online (and has been for years) so students can keep up with their studies while enduring a forced closure (such as this).

But all the other schools that haven't even started yet? How are they going to make up for starting 6 weeks later than normal?

The decision to delay school until after the Eid was an idiotic one, IMHO. My bet is that most of these kids will end up losing academic ground because of the late start and this additional delay.

Bibo: your article link was useful, but bottom line is that they are not doing anything to curb where students out of school will be. As many others have said, they will not self-segregate at home this week. They'll be hanging out in the malls, spreading any germs they might have brought back with them around anyway. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. While the sick kids are out, at least the healthy ones could be learning. But instead, they're handicapping everyone by forcing the closure.

"Marriage is a wonderful institution...but who wants to live in an institution?" -- Groucho Marx

I didn't read the comments - but I personally was against them postponing going back to school. Kids want any reason to stay out of school and now they are giving them a good one. IF the kids were to be locked up at home and have no contact with anyone, then FINE. But I know that all the kids are in Malls, Cinemas, and doing their own things, so what difference would it make?

Schools used to start way back in August, and now they will start in October, how will they make up the two missing months?

~*Speak when you are angry and you will make the best speech you will ever regret*~

I read this article on WHO website, and it really made me understand the decision of closing schools. I think it's wise and came at the right timing:

School closures and class suspensions

Decisions about if and when schools should be closed during the pandemic are complex and highly context-specific. WHO cannot provide specific recommendations for or against school closure that are applicable to all settings. However, some general guidance comes from recent experience in several countries in both the northern and southern hemispheres, mathematical modelling, and experience during seasonal epidemics of influenza.

School closure can operate as a proactive measure, aimed at reducing transmission in the school and spread into the wider community. School closure can also be a reactive measure, when schools close or classes are suspended because high levels of absenteeism among students and staff make it impractical to continue classes.

The main health benefit of proactive school closure comes from slowing down the spread of an outbreak within a given area and thus flattening the peak of infections. This benefit becomes especially important when the number of people requiring medical care at the peak of the pandemic threatens to saturate or overwhelm health care capacity. By slowing the speed of spread, school closure can also buy some time as countries intensify preparedness measures or build up supplies of vaccines, antiviral drugs, and other interventions.

The timing of school closure is critically important. Modelling studies suggest that school closure has its greatest benefits when schools are closed very early in an outbreak, ideally before 1% of the population falls ill. Under ideal conditions, school closure can reduce the demand for health care by an estimated 30–50% at the peak of the pandemic. However, if schools close too late in the course of a community-wide outbreak, the resulting reduction in transmission is likely to be very limited.

Policies for school closure need to include measures that limit contact among students when not in school. If students congregate in a setting other than a school, they will continue to spread the virus, and the benefits of school closure will be greatly reduced, if not negated.

source: http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_school_measures_20090911/en/index.html

As stated at ALJAZEERA by an official in the Supreme Council for Health , schools should stay closed up to the 10th of October.

he also said that the vaccine may cause very bad side effects since it's not tested enough. and the medicine companies asks the ministries of health (around the globe) to sign a document that these companies are NOT responsible about any side effects,...!!!

so it's better to stay home,...!!

was just informed over the phone just now by my daughter's teacher that their classes will resume tomorrow..

My kids have been at home since the end of june!!!!!!Another week off is ridiculous. Are schools the only place where the swine flu can spread? What about the malls we go to or the restaurants we eat in??

Arent parents at risk while at work??? Should the entire country shut down???

Isnt it enough that they are distributing Tamiflu right left and centre!!!Anyone with high fever is issued these tablets. My 11 yearold son was given them too but he suffered a serious reaction to them and i had to discontinue the medication. He was fine after that!

Another week off school. Like 3 month's haven't been enough!

just received information that Al Khor International School is closed for the rest of the week.

They are taking advice from the Supreme Council for Health who are taking their advice from World Health Organisation(WHO) based on the fact that many thousands of children are returning to the country in the last few days from countries with a high infection rate.

It is hoped that symptoms in returning children will show this week thus containing the spread of infection as they will not be in school where typically thousands of pupils sit in close proximity to each other.

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that the Supreme Council for Education is now qualified to make public health decisions. Those guys must be geniuses to have degrees in both education and medicine!

There is actually no need for schools to acknowledge a decision from the ministry. They just have to obey!

.... just to satisfy my curiosity - that it is there..... I honestly do not see it... please give the www link... I know this whole debarcle is at its end.... kids have enjoyed the sleep-in this morning.. as did mum!!! Another week of sleep-ins!!! yipee

Park House School web site does not show any information regarding tomorrow. I wonder how did someone read the news from their site.

If anyone have the link , would you please post it here?

Thank you

hi i checked the website but it does not have anything on it although doha montessori has put up a notice. anyway i think its official now that all schools have to be closed for another week.

You make more money and kids are brought together in numbers and not protected from the flu.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

By 4th oct, my son will be out of school for 3 months !! And he was so excited to start at his new school tomorrow....we went to the school to show him around, yet received the bad news from a teacher there. I do hope something good will come out of this. I am still against vaccination at this point. Proper hygiene and good nutrition is still the way to go.

*Bunga*

I guess children are in a higher risk category according to the WHO and there has been a mass return to Doha of thousands and thousands of children from high risk countries over the last few days. It is presumed that this will catch the ones whose symptoms will show up this week.

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accorded to Ramadan and now the flu scare? This would require an additional month of school and I wonder if they will do that.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Yes, I agree it may not be necessary to close schools which have been open and have preventative measures in place.

I think Qatar is trying to do what it thinks best to reduce the spread of infection based on recommendations from the WHO on communicable diseases amongst children.

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And I understand the rationale behind having recent travelers stay home. It makes sense (I guess -- though as a parent, if my kids were going to already start school a month late, this would not please me one bit).

But in the case of schools that had already been running classes for several weeks, it seems more punitive than anything else.

These schools made the decision to open on time (at the beginning of Ramadan), and have demonstrated that they had measures in place to deal with possible H1N1 virus infections.

I fail to see a significant advantage to having THESE students stay home for another week.

Using this logic, I guess we should anticipate future weekly closings of schools following other break times when outside travel will be likely: the second Eid break in November, again in December for the Christmas holiday, and again in March for spring break/Easter.

They're not closing the universities at Education City (and they have been in session for several weeks now). If the government seriously thought there was a pressing need to control the spread of the virus that necessitated shutting things down, they would mandate that ALL educational organizations close for one week.

But they're not.

"Marriage is a wonderful institution...but who wants to live in an institution?" -- Groucho Marx

and get the swine flu there. Plus prepare for extension of the "special school break" by a possible 1-2 weeks...

I think the thought is that school is compulsory whereas going to the Mall is not. Pupils would spend several hours a day in close proximity to others thus increasing their risk of catching the virus in pupils who have come from countries where the rate of infection is high. Most pupils came back into the country in the last few days so their symptons will show within this week.

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"If done properly". If, if, if, if.

They have closed schools for one week as most pupils were flying in the last few days from many different countries. By closing the schools for one week this will allow symptoms to show in people who have recently come back. Closing schools who were already open since the 1st Sep is just an extra precaution.

They are giving schools seminars etc on how to take preventative measures and being very explicit about what needs to be done. If done properly then the spread of infection can be redueced by 50%.

No-one is saying that by delaying the start of the academic year for most schools in Qatar is going to stop anyone catching H1N1 but it is hoped that the spread of the virus will be reduced.

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It does say "closed to students" on Park House's site - in the scrolling message on the left.

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Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

As a new arrival into Qatar from Australia, our policy to contain this overexaggeterated H1H1 was that only the schools that have had N1H1 cases had to be closed and it was asked that if anyone had been travelling overseas or interstate that they were requested to stay at home for an incubation period of 7 days to make sure that they had not contacted the disease... and therefore were sure that they would not spread the flu... so therefor does it not make sense to do the same.. oung children with asthma, etc and the elderly or pregnant were to take precautions such as staying away from large crowds ie. shopping malls etc.. everyone seems to be getting into a very anxious state and there is sooooo much hearsay going on... please only make true and factual comments... nowhere on Parkhouse does it say "CLOSED"...please let me know where you have seen it...

Yes we are visitor in this country so that goes without saying as to how we should behave and accept certain decisions... so get over it and be thankful we are living in this country where we at least can save for our retirement back home - where that may be!!!!!

I know it's not just me who is frustrated by things like this.

But where does the buck stop?

Who is going to take responsibility for this decision?

My guess? No one.

Just for once I would like to hear someone here say, "You know what? I made this decision. Me. It was my call, I made it based upon X, Y and Z, and I stand by that decision."

It'll never happen...

"Marriage is a wonderful institution...but who wants to live in an institution?" -- Groucho Marx

trust me- I have my moments, too.. and they're a lot worse than yours:)

UmmJake, I don't think it's the 'mental midget powers-that-be" who intentionally are lax.

They obviously wan't change. I think it's just as frustrating for them waiting for the ones in the administrative offices to catch up with the quality the country is striving for.

They've come so far in just 15 years hopefully over the course of a little more time Doha will be up to par.

Keep the faith :)

Ha, ha. Now they all are afraid of the 'ministerial decision'. LOL.

Same like the French School, they've been open for a month, no problem and all but yet just few minutes ago we received e-mail from them telling it will close for another week.

Dali,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8274374.stm

but that won't convince some people on QL.

And home IS good, just in different ways than here.

Like anything in life, it's a trade-off.

I just wish I didn't have to sacrifice logic so much to be here. I'd like to have more confidence in the people who make these big decisions, but when the mental midget powers-that-be do stuff like this, it makes it hard...

Deep breaths...

"Marriage is a wonderful institution...but who wants to live in an institution?" -- Groucho Marx

what happen tomorrow if ministry knows AKIS is still open

Has the FDA approved the swine flu vaccine yet?

Forgive me if this question has been asked before

Hmmmmm

What a mess!

whaiql, dess been opened for nearly a month, and have to be close as well.

the education city universities are still open.

of course my daughter's nursery and my son's school are closed.

But what I'm trying to say is that there is no point in getting wound up about it. I wouldn't happen at home- but if 'home' was so good, we'd still be there, wouldn't we?

JUst do your prep and make the best of it. I do appreciate what you're saying..

LOL...It might only be applicable for those unopened yet. QG & RG might have different opinions. As a parent I believe both of them had considered many things prior deciding school to continue open, and that they put safety of employees and dependents as a priority, hence open as usual, given the current precaution measures they have.

"Dear Parents,

It is with some disappointment that I write to inform you that The American School

of Doha will be closed for this upcoming week. The original decision to open was

based on our preparedness and successful protocols for H1N1 that operated during the

first five weeks of school; however, we are guests in Qatar and we have been told to

close for the upcoming week by the Supreme Council of Education. We want to be good

guests in Doha and we want to be supportive of all efforts within the country to

maintain a healthy environment for all students within the country. To this end, we

will follow the directives from the SEC.

Our intent will be to utilize this week to initiate our "virtual school" to teach

lessons, give homework, and to collect papers. I realize that this will be quite

limited in the lower elementary grade levels but we will do our best to continue

learning for our students with your assistance and collaboration. Students should

be prepared to access their classes via "virtual school" by the end of the day

tomorrow. All teachers will be at work on campus during the regular school hours.

I will keep you updated on any news that pertains to the re-opening of school.

As always, thanks for your support."

Reading between the lines, I think one can see that ASD doesn't have any dire H1N1 issues (they've been open for over a month now people, with no mass outbreaks). They are being forced to close so that the SEC doesn't look quite so inept and incompetent by only making Qatari/independent schools (that couldn't get their act together over the holy month of Ramadan to have appropriate measures in place) close for this week.

Typical business as usual in Doha...

FranElizabeth: I am a parent AND an educator. But this decision makes absolutely no sense to me.

"Marriage is a wonderful institution...but who wants to live in an institution?" -- Groucho Marx

The irony is that ours have already been back in.. it is counterproductive.. afterall, if our kids have swine flu, then so do we, surely?

There's no point whinging though. I'm whinging more about the banned alcohol siuation!

It's a nightmare when we have weeks of curriculum to cover- and some people have no childcare... but we'll deal with it. THEY obviously have their reasons- some schools haven't opened to kids at all yet:(

lol MD ....

whaiQL, how can they ignore a ministerial decision!! This is an open rebellion!!

So, now you've got a silly answer, novi.

It already started on 6 Sept and remains open for tomorrow. However, the school has issued a guideline for parents for preventing swine flu and an explanation on what school and company (QG, RG) is doing for precaution, i.e. instruction to student during general assembly, staff education, more sanitizer installation. No need to be panic as long as we stay vigilant and know how to deal with.

MD : What a silly question I had ....

Maybe now you understand why the UN calls the Arab governments "low expertise" governments!

Dali- we already had a workshop in our school before Eid about swine flu and plans were already set up to deal with infections.The staff and admin are well aware of the situation.

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May your dreams take you travelling all through your life.

Firstly.. Novita- thank you! More breathing space! Hurray for that:)

Ummjake:

Our school DID give a very official announcement via teachers today. I understand your frustration though- are you a teacher or a parent? Or both?

It's crazy, the kids have been off long enough as it is. Perhaps it's because of the large numbers of people returning to Qatar from vacation, perhaps they need to have a quarantine period.

My kids have been back at school since Sept 1st, one of them is in his final IGCSE year, how will the teaching time be made up? And all these people who asked/pressured the authorities for this- do they realise that the teaching time has to be made up- these same people will be up in arms next summer when their children are still going to school in July.

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May your dreams take you travelling all through your life.

Actually, novi, they have to close Qatar down. There are 1.6 million potential swine flu cases.

Ummjake I think it's because people from the ministry of health are using this week to visit each school to help curb the risk of H1N1 contamination,in terms of preping the grounds with desanitizers, vigilence regarding fevers etc. What a horrible disease :( I hate to imagine kids with asthma contract it and many many kids have respitory problems resulting from the building/demolition

and what make them think that swine flu only affecting primary school? how about nurseries? offices? hospital? shopping malls? are they closing those as well?

just wondering how about the nurseries around Doha ? CESK, tots corner, busy bees, sunbeam, little angel, starfish lanes and the rest ?

ditto ummjake.

We had a massive outbreak in Houston this past spring and only the AFFECTED schools were shut down. This is absurd.

franelizabeth, enjoy your quantity times with your junior/s :)

explanation about WHY they are ordering all schools (including those that had previously been open for a month) to now close for one full week.

But of course, this being Qatar, they don't believe in explaining their reasons to people. They say jump and we're supposed to say "how high?".

Teachers I have spoken with (they still have to show up for work tomorrow) have said that during this week they are supposed to be learning how to make their classrooms safe/more hygienic when the kids return.

Someone please explain to me how THAT needs an entire 40 hour week of instructional time?

Honest to God...I just want to smack someone...

"Marriage is a wonderful institution...but who wants to live in an institution?" -- Groucho Marx

It does. We're closed to kids now, too.. and we NEVER close. Like a snow day with no snow.. or sledges.

sounds like a plan ...

ASD is closed as well for the week.

They also said that you should not kiss and hug anybody anymore!

Yes, they do have a plan. Everyone is going to wash their hands properly and everything will be alright.

Hi, I just copied this from the DESS website:

'Following a directive received at 4pm today, 26 September, from the Ministry of Education, DESS will remain closed to pupils until Sunday October 4. Staff in as normal. We will keep you informed of any developments. E Liptrot, Headteacher.'

They have no plan. They just imitate what other countries do.

does anyone know what adequate preparation does the government doing ? the closed the school for another week ? are they sending all the kid/s for swine flu vaccination ? if they dont do anything then I dont think these will make any different ...

deedee, my wife received the message from Ed!

ASD now officially closed tomorrow like all the other schools.............

They are just clueless.

that's odd as nothing is posted as of 7pm on the ASD website and no text received since this morning which was that ASd WAS re-opening this morning. Was it Ed Ladd your wife talked to or someone else?

The ministry letter says

"All the staff members of schools will, however, be vaccinated against seasonal influenza during the week as a precautionary measure."

What if the staff members say "No, thank you."?

And how is a vaccination against seasonal flu going to stop the spread of swine flu?

Hahahahahah - idiocy!!!!

Squarepeg,

Hardly any, I would guess. Why would you take a kid with a cough to a doctor, when you know they'll receive tamiflu.

I have a three-month old daughter. If she came down with a respiratory infection, I'd have to balance the risk of her receiving nasty antivirals if she saw a doctor in Qatar versus the risk of H1N1.

--nigel

1. Right!

2. It doesn't.

3. It doesn't.

4. God knows.

5. Yeah, why not?

6. Too expensive!

7. Maybe.

I wonder, in the schools which re-opened at the beginning of September, how many students/staff have been diagnosed with swine flu since term started?

Doha College texted me with this stupid decision. If the ministries were striving to show incompetence in both children's education and public health, they've done a good job.

1. Swine flu is about as dangerous as seasonal flu, which doesn't affect school opening.

2. Several schools were open before Eid, including Doha College. How does delaying their reopening protect anyone?

3. Flu shots aren't going to appear any time soon. Why would delaying school opening by a week prevent the spread of infection?

4. Is the proposed vaccination campaign designed to protect those who receive the vaccine, or to protect the wider population through herd immunity?

5. Are flu shots going to be compulsory for children? If the aim is personal safety, why not let the parents decide?

6. Are all labourers to be offered flu shots? If the aim is herd immunity, why not offer the vaccine to everyone?

7. Is it likely that the official panic and heavy-handed response will prevent parents from taking children with coughs to their doctors?

Alex, my wife was just informed by the director of ASD that students will not come tomorrow, staff only!

They operate on American territory, sponsored by the American Embassy, Alex.

I fully agree with you, Dottie. It's a ridiculous decision. The swine flu will not be gone in 1 week, and many parents will not allow their children to be vaccinated after they have read some related threads on QL about 'mercury' in vaccines.

Well, it IS a bit ambiguous MD - all the schools which were to RE-OPEN tomorrow are local schools..............

schools such as Doha College, Park House, ASD, Dess, etc re-opened at the beginning of the month, so are they therefore exempt from this ruling? It seems not, as of now, all (with the exception of ASD) are closed for another week. Only confirmed within the last few hours. It's a big problem for those kids who are sitting important exams - teaching days are thin on the ground as it is, what with the Eid holidays - compared with UK schools, so it's going to be a struggle for the kids to get enough hours in to cover all the coursework required.

Swine flu is everywhere and keeping the kids at home for another week is NOT going to change that. Methinks it's an over-reaction the the 'swine' thingie - any other flu and it would not be causing so much panic in the ME.

P.S. Reminds me of the way the traffic laws are implemented.

"The decision, made by the Minister of Education and Higher Education H E Saad bin Ibrahim Al Mahmoud, yesterday applies to all the schools which were to reopen tomorrow after the long summer break, including private, community and Independent Schools."

It's funny how some schools simply ignore a decision of the Ministry of Education! Only in Qatar!

I hope the proposed anti-seasonal flu vaccination campaign in the schools goes well and all staff and children get the benefit out of it. On the flip side of the coin, parents and kids who arrived in town today or yesterday will have enough time to prepare themselves for the school reopening.

And that was confirmed to us since this morning. But the teachers and admin staff are working normal working hours...preparing and all that. The parents would still have to come and register their kids and get the books and uniforms and all those things :-)

So this does NOT apply to all schools. Check with your child's individual school/website for further details, I guess.

The affected kids will be so screwed this academic year. They're starting over a month late now. I guess they'll have to go until July or start doing 6 day school weeks to make up for the lost content time.

Imagine the teachers who have to prep kids to sit exams in May and June...I don't envy them.

"Marriage is a wonderful institution...but who wants to live in an institution?" -- Groucho Marx

Thats great cos I don't fancy getting my kids up really early to do the school run to find it all closed.

If I do find anything out at 7, I will post it on here :-)

DESS does have something on the website now, first is said they were off until 4th Oct, but now this is on there:

'DESS is seeking clarification regarding the directive that all schools must close for the week to come. We will notify you of our status at 7 o?clock this evening. Thanks for your understanding and patience.'

So now not sure what to think.

just got a call this afternoon from my daughter's teacher.. she was supposed to start school tomorrow, then i was told today it was suspended until further notice..

Thankyou for the information.

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Thanks for letting me know. Have just looked at website again but there was a problem on the page so still don't know if it has been updated.

Parkhouse has updated their website too. CLOSED

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Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Friend of mine works for Supreme Education Council - she's adamant it's ALL schools. DC only updated their webite about 30 minutes ago, so re-check Dess.

Where have you got this official info from? I have looked on DESS web and I couldn't find anything, mind you that was an hour ago or so.

It's official - ALL schools will be closed for another week, including Doha College, Dess, Park House, ASD, etc. no exceptions. Doha College have just updated their website to confirm this.

and long working hours...uggghh.

from ASD (American School) this morning-

School is scheduled to reopen tomorrow. Yae!

I am wondering about DESS. They opened at the beginning of September and should re open tomorrow. Have looked on their web site, nothing on, called them, no answer.

to finally get round to teaching is making me nervous!!

AB- same here- our kids already in!

this article doesn't tell me anything! Doha college went back a couple of weeks ago! anyone know if Doha College is open tomorrow!!??

5 more working days leave!!:-) dats good!!

this article doesnt say anything about leve for companies. only schools

Its funny though when we were kids we yearn for holidays and now when company was to give you long leave.. we want to work !!!

why dont you read the full thing reported in Peninsula

what schools would these be then????ALL schools?

thanx 4 the ministry & HE saad bin ibrahim al mahmoud...

thanx mr stealth 4 the posting,

If I'd known better they just want to extend their Eid holidays. LOL

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

i am wondering if this applies to uni as well!

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