I have difficulty accepting your comment "QP doesn't seem to care about training these men".
In the early 80's IDP's (Individual Development Pragrammes) of up to 3 year duration were introduced for Qatari graduates. The name may have changed but whatever they have now will be the same thing or very very similar.
One of the difficulties was that the Qataris did not like the grade GT (Graduate Trainee) that they were awarded until they finished the IDP. The graduates felt this was demeaning and pushed for a bona-fide grade.
In fact GT was not a grade and had no maximum salary, it was purely a salary and level at which a graduate would be recruited and reflected their true status. Progress of the salary was based on their progress against the measured targets of the IDP.
Unfortunately, many of the graduates considered that when they had successfully completed their IDP, they were fit to go directly into an established position unsupervised.
In some disciplines, that may be possible but there are other disciplines (take instrumentation as an example) where it would have proved an unsafe practice. It was decided that an expatriate would "take them under the wing" during further OJT during which time they could hone their skills.
The point of my post is that the training and development of nationals (certainly graduates) is well catered for and was certainly well planned in QP. I doubt if it will have changed that much since I was last involved.
Tweetbird & Gumby are right on! They seem to be the only ones who have a insiders view of Qatarization. The problem is the system; how Qatarization is being organized and managed.
Main problem with Qatarization => system and training.
It's not the Qatari but the training programs and oversight of these programs. My college here is one of the new technical training colleges that is training (mostly) Qatari men from QP and Karama (among other companies). These companies illustrate the wrong and right approach to training these men. QP doesn't seem to care about training these men. They just send them to the college and hope for the best. BUT, Karama is deeply involved in their students' training. They regularly visit the training facility and meet with the students. They appoint managers to stay in touch with the students.
If more companies took the approach of Karama, then Qatarization might be more successful.
I am offended by many of the posts here, but here are a few problems with the current Qatarization strategy:
There aren't enough Qataris to fill all to positions.
Most of those available are not trained well enough, we should train them (on the job?), which is something we seem to ignore.
We fire first, then look for somebody to hire.
There are many new jobs needed, not only replacing current jobs.
We've been talking about Qatarization for 25 years and have only been serious about it this year.
Sure, if a Qatari can do the job, let him take it, If a foreigner is to be replaced by a Qatari, I suggest letting him work with the foreigner for a few months or years first.
I'll finish by saying what will happen is this: foreigners will be laid off government jobs, nobody will replace them, then the government agencies will contract companies to provide people who are not counted in their head count, providing 100% Qatarization.
"I really think that a combination of factors need to come into play - improved education system, competition for jobs, the safety net being removed of parents bailing their children out and the relative ease of entering the workforce. And perhaps the biggest...accountability of performance and consequences"
Diamondgirl, I think that you just summed up the entire thread in one paragraph. Now, if someone could just tell me how to make a cool avatar... ;-)
Hand on Heart, that Qatarisation is not working where I'm employed, because too many dont come to work often enough to contribute. Not all, but many.
Im level headed, not racist or bitter, I just go about my work and go home to my family. The truth is, some Qataris (like many people around the world) simply dont have the incentive, initiative or work ethic required to turn in day after day.
However it's their country, their rules. Accept it or move on, because as frustrating as it can sometimes be, the mind set changes could take generations.
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You can laugh at me all you like because I have Alzheimers, .......but at least I dont have Alzheimers
This is the kind of debate that makes QL so valuable. Don't you wish you could have this type of conversation all of the time? Both sides get to discuss a topic from their perspective. Responses are intelligent and insightful. If only those who insist on dragging these types of topics down, via negativity, racial slurs and general nastiness would just take a hike - we could learn something from each other and about each other.
Yes, Gumby, there is an epidemic of educational failure amongst young Qatari males. It is now trying to be addressed by the government but I think it will take a long time to significantly reverse this trend. I think that many young men know that they can find a job, it's not too hard for them to find a job that pays pretty well, considering what qualifications they have. So, for many, they simply don't want to try. Also, their families spoil them with , for example, cars and allowances so they don't know what it feels like to have to earn something. Another point to note is that the banks are literally throwing money at Qataries in the form of loans...many young men are in debt up to their eyeballs. There's a lot of attractive consumer goods out there (vroom, vroom) to be bought.
The difference between Qatari youth and Omani youth is that there aren't enough jobs for the Omanis so competition is present so the work ethic is raised. You will find many Omanis leaving Oman in search of work...even graduates. This is not the case for Qataris.
Now for our young women...yay! I feel so happy for them that recently their world has opened up and the opportunities are now so much greater. Many women are eager to have careers (not just jobs). Go sisters. I cannot tell you how happy and supportive of them I am. I am lucky to have been raised by enlightened parents who instilled in me that education and contribution to society are paramount.
Bear in mind that perhaps ten years os so ago, Qatar was a relatively sleep place compared to the present day. So much business is in Qatar now requiring a much greater workforce with an ever increasing diversity of skills and experience. Unfortunately our education system has not had time to catch up significantly for many of our youth to enter the workforce properly equipped in skills and attitude.
I really think that a combination of factors need to come into play - improved education system, competition for jobs, the safety net being removed of parents bailing their children out and the relative ease of entering the workforce. And perhaps the biggest...accountability of performance and consequences
HH and the government have identified the problem and are actively working on it. However, I do think that it will take a generation or two for significant differences to be evident.
In theory, if done correctly and applied to those who can fill the work slots, will be a wonderful addition to this country. If done incorrectly, ie, hiring just because you are Qatari but have no qualifications..can bring your country to a skreeching halt.
As Tweetybird mentioned..take a look at American's Affirmative action...hire enough minorities to fill the "quota" whether they are skilled or not, didn't work, doesn't work and won't work. Hire minorities because they ARE skilled and have the qualifications, and yes, it will work and work very well. Teach those that are willing to get down and do the work. If you hire someone who doesn't do their job then fire them. This needs to be applied to the Qatarization as well.
As far as Qataris being lazy...I beg to disagree. I know a few at my hubby's work that do more than a lot of the other expats. Plus their knowledge of how to manage the people here, is priceless. Its in any nationality...so don't generalize on nationality or race...there's bad apples in every barrel...
I just hope that with the Qatarization..it doesn't go so wrong that they throw the baby out with the bath water.
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
You hit the nail on the head with Qatarization and what I had tried to say earlier. Assessment is key! Diamond Girl made a good point on the second piece that is needed which is accountability.
Hard working people with the desire to learn, whether they are Qatari or not, should be assessed and then given help in the areas that the assessment shows is needed.
If you have an employee that is not living up to the expectations, is not open to mentoring and advice, is frequently absent, etc - they should be accountable for their actions and if need be, let go so the position can be filled by someone who wants it.
I agree whole heartedly with Qatarization. It needs to be done right and I'm sure at some point it will be done so. I have little experience with young Qatari men outside of my job but I had a lovely young man visit my office yesterday. During the conversation, he asked me about my job and seemed to be truly interested and I was impressed with his questions. So much so I am seriously considering tracking him down and offering him an internship.
Whoami - we know you and your character. You have no need to defend yourself here in my opinion. I have seen first hand the things you have done and organized. Don't even comment on some of the above posts. Your actions speak louder than any words spoken by certain people who only have time for criticism.
I don't think we should generalize. Qatar has a very small local population. They have been thrust into the 21st century and it takes time to adapt.
As for laziness, It is a symptom everywhere. There are thousands of people in the UK who are perfectly happy to take it easy and live off the government handouts....
@renee, come here.. come.. yep come here *arms wide open*.
Someone needs a hug. Awww... there you go.
Now for the reply, although most will be copy and past from my past post because it seems you like to skim
>> So, you’re telling us that “most” are hard workers??????????
Quoting myself
To be honest I don't think that the majority of my people are like me (hardworking) when it comes to the activities that I do. It wasn't my intention to imply that either.
Why does it have to be a majority or minority?
You want to find them? Show me a job opening and I'll find you someone who's interested in the position that'll be hard-working.
">> So you’re saying the majority aren’t? Tell us where to look."
See quote above. However, look around, they're around you.
>>Your half British yes? Did you once see the British with slave workers who carry their baskets in a supermarket?
Yes I am half British. If you're 'slave worker' is in reference to a maid, then yes. And I think it's rude to call them slaves.
">> take your own advice and look around you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am can you do that too Miss Pessimist.
As for the rest of your post, it's utter garbage. I'll ask again though, if you hate Qatar so much why are you here?
"I have one last question for you – do you NOT see the pure misery of others around you??? Are you that blind?
Do you not also see the happiness?
Finally, if you're such an angel yourself, how about going out there and doing something rather than moaning on the forum and making everything seem so negative. See the light before your heart turns black.
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But I can say that I do think that hard workers are 'not' a minority.
I think that no country in the world could say that their countrymen were like me. What do you think?
>> So, you’re telling us that “most” are hard workers??????????
Please let us know where we can find “hard working “ Qataris in Doha. I am serious!!!!!!
We have lazy people, impatient people, active people, caring people, evil people, good people, and all sorts. But I just hate it how when it comes to the negative side, people automatically want to say 'all or most of Qataris' are like that.
>> So you’re saying the majority aren’t? Tell us where to look.
When I was in the UK, I met some of the rudest people in my life, but never once did I feel "Most British people are uncaring and rude".
>>Your half British yes? Did you once see the British with slave workers who carry their baskets in a supermarket?
AT]korly, and you need to grow up and realize that the world isn't seen through ONE PERSONS EYES.
>> take your own advice and look around you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I started a charity for labourers and ACTIVELY participated with alot of charitable events (where were you when we all went to help those victims of the fire?)
>>This last comment “where were you” is so immature..... as if it wasn’t for the cruelty that went on in this country this would have never have happened in the first place.
Such the martyr you are - why don’t we all just expose what we have contributed towards society...
I actively assist with the Human Rights authority to ensuring that expatriates get the rights that they deserve.
>>Rights??? You mean the jobs the locals are unable to do....
You may find nasty, idiotic people in the UK but you don’t find modern slavery at its best....
I have one last question for you – do you NOT see the pure misery of others around you??? Are you that blind?
Diamondgirl – you can call me whatever you like, it really doesn’t affect me. What affects me is the suffering going on in this place – before you go on about how I’m “generalizing” and “it goes on everywhere” – your right, but they don’t live by Islamic principles - I've lived with Muslims my whole life and they are ashamed by how the majority of muslims in the gulf treat others.
Really you can talk about “growth” all day long and how much “Qatar” has “achieved” but until something is done about SLAVE LABOUR in this country you shouldn’t be celebrating yet!!!
I would never be so "defensive" like you are, towards any country including my own where I had to witness on a day to day basis the cruelty and injustice that goes on in Qatar.....I guess it is so easy to love a place where your not on your hands and knees in 40 degree heat with a axe and pix in your hand...
Shall we try it to see how they feel? Yeah right, like that would happen..!!!
Mmmm, While I support the general concept of Qatarization, there are things I need to say about these posts. I know extremely hard working and highly qualified Qataris, but they tend to be at the upper levels, very cosmopolitan, educated outside the Gulf, etc, etc. Very competent and industrious; they are quite common at higher management levels, but I have to say that my experience with Qatari employees at the lower levels has not been positive. Just incredible amounts absenteeism, young men refusing to take instruction from women, failure to attend training, forgery of sick notes, etc, etc. I'm afraid that a great deal of time is wasted by managers passing these employees around from department to department as no one wants them. The goal seems to be put on "administrative holding", which is where they get paid while they wait for a suitable position to turn up.
My big concern is for the young Qatari men. What has happened? The PIRLS and PISA as well as the MENA Education report shows an INCREASING gap between the achievement levels of young Qatari men and young Qatari women is the largest in Gulf. Why? Quite frankly, the young women we've had been working with, with a couple of exceptions, have been wonderful. Yes, they come from educationally deprived backgrounds and need very extensive training in the most basic of skills (sorry, but that is the truth, the reforms haven't had the desired effects yet, but that is a topic for another thread)but they are willing to learn and make an effort and seem to enjoy the socializing and stimulation of the office environment.
What's the deal with the young men though? I know that I'm not the only one who has noticed or commented on it, it is officially an area of concern for the Qatari government. Anyone have any idea why so many young Qatari men are performing so far below their ability levels?
I'm particularly interested in the differences between here and Oman. When I worked there the Omanization campaign was just getting into full force. The education that many of the Omanis had received was just as weak as the what many of the students here receive, and the young men were just as unprepared to enter the workforce, but the approach and attitude was different...usually, and the young men seemed to have more interest in learning and more pride in their work. What do people think, is this a cultural difference between Oman and Qatar, or is it more of a result of the financial (dis)incentives to Qataris in the workplace.
One thing that I think really needs to be addressed has been mentioned, and that is assessment, but it is such a delicate issue I don't know how it would be handled. All the Qatari staff have been taken out of the normal assessment system and are assessed using a completely different system from everyone else that has no bearing on their actual abilities, it is basically based on the time clock and whether they punched in, not how effective they are.
I do have concerns for Qatarization's future though. I don't see the continuity and skills being developed long-term from the bottom up, at least in my field. By rights the assistant to the supervisor should be a Qatari learning the ropes so that he or she can take over in a few years. I've only been with the organization for two years,and we've gone through seven Qatari assistant supervisors. They've all been men, and they've all quit, either the pay was too low, they resented being mentored and trained by an American, the work was too hard, or the commute to work took too long! I see a divide developing with extremely hard-working, diligent and well-educated Qataris in the very top positions and many more Qataris in positions that are relatively low-skilled and low-status and perceived by them to be low paid. I have no idea how to prevent this from happening, particularly with the young men who have graduated from CNA-Q or some of the technical schools. We have a hard time explaining that a certificate is the floor or the absolute starting place, it is not the ceiling or final end product, and that it doesn't qualify them to manage a dozen people.
I do see the potential for many more highly motivated women to take advantage of the opportunities of Qatarization to advance themselves, but the resentment, no, hostility would be a better word, from young Qatari men disturbs me.
Right, I think that I have written an essay. What one gets with too much coffee and insomnia. Would be interested in opinions, particularly from the Qatari crowd who could give me some insight into the psyche of so many of the young Qatari men.
There is definitely hope in spades for Qatar. HH the Emir and HH Sheikha Mozah are visionaries and likened to revolutionaries for what they have done and what they are doing for our country. What, for example amongst other things, is Qatar Foundation if not a beacon of hope for the education and careers of generations of Qataris to come. Qatarization is in it's infancy. It will continue to develop as long as the accountability grows too.
Damages the Country and its reputation, bringing people in just because they are Qatari is a disaster that has happened at our place and will continue in other companies in the country.
This doesn't need to happen, for example if they want HR and Finance people to be Qataris concentrate on this skill at universities, make education vocation based, make them work hard and HONESTLY for their degrees and qualifications, send them abroad, get them on the job training, bring in foreign trainers and get them up to international standards. All of this can be done the money exists for this.
Once the people are in the job, KEEP AN EYE on them, take HONEST surveys of staff do appraisals, have targets and deadlines to meet.
KEEP THE PRESSURE on them to be their very best.
Qataris are human beings right ? the same as everyone else, they are no different but the culture of entitlement is ruining them.
This has to stop, until is does some of us will post rants on this site about them, and as I say this does any hard-working Qataris a dis service and makes us generalise about them.
The problem is in most generalisations their is a lot of truth behind them, my company is waiting to be paid their overtime, WHY? because the Qatari HR head has let the work pile up on his desk and only bothers to come in a day or two a week.
So our staff immediately goto the default position of "lazy Qatari blah blah blah" So his work or lack of it focuses our minds on the negatives.
When finance or HR are the problems a whole company can suffer and these are the two most important things in a company, if you keep your staff happy your company is more productive happier and more loyal.
I HOPE and if I were religious would PRAY that Sheilka Mousa (spelling ?) and her husband realise this.
There is certainly hope for Qatar, I hope, They can turn it around.
True nothing wrong with coffee drinking or date eating, I enjoy both. The problem comes when that is actually all the QATARIS do ALL DAY.
Dweller is spot on above, Al Jazeera's staff crisis written about in many publications including the TIMES and the GUARDIAN has been caused by HR and their total incompetence.
They seem totally unashamed to be seen as totally useless, they shame their country their region and their religion.
Wow the rest of this post was quite offensive must not post on here again while drunk....Wooops
You are such an active person. You get a big pat on the back for all the wonderful things you have done. Maybe some of your fellow countrymen can take some notes.
Oh, and who said I wasn't around for the "fire victims" I am not someone that likes to brag about all my wonderful works. Charity is supposed to be anonymous!
Hmmmm, I don't think it's that MOST Qatari's are lazy/incompetent, I think it's that the majority of one's who end up in Qataization programs are. I think that's just a natural fact with any kind of program like that, like Affirmative Action in the US. Also unforunately many many expats only end up working with people who are Qatarized (as I like to call it, he he) so that's where a lot of the bad sterotypes come from.
However I say if you want to see Qatari's at work, go to VCU and see some of the amazing artwork some of these girls are coming out with. Blows my mind all the time.
To be honest I don't think that the majority of my people are like me when it comes to the activities that I do. It wasn't my intention to imply that either.
But I can say that I do think that hardworkers are 'not' a minority.
I think that no country in the world could say that their countrymen were like me. What do you think?
We have lazy people, impatient people, active people, caring people, evil people, good people, all sorts. But I just hate it how when it comes to the negative side, people automatically want to say 'all or most of Qataris' are like that.
When I was in the UK, I met some of the most rudest people in my life, but never once did I feel "Most British people are uncaring and rude".
Then you have people on QL, who say thinks like Korly and assume that I've done nothing. They automatically assume the worst in people and that, my kind Gypsy, is what gets to me.
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Whoami, without a doubt you are doing a lot for your country. You're active and ambitious, and hardworking. But just out of curiosity, do you think the majority of your countrymen are like you? I dont' want to offend, I just want to know what you think.
@korly, and you need to grow up and realize that the world isn't seen through ONE PERSONS EYES.
and I will also have to repeat a post to this comment
"Whoami, unfortunately you are in the minority that work hard and treat their staff with dignity, I think its time you had a hand in putting the government straight, taking the pleas of people seriously, instead of getting defensive and acting like there is nothing wrong..."
Get your head out of the ground and stop assuming that you know people when you don't.
I actively participate in getting Qatar's legislation to be TRANSPARANT.
I started a charity for labourers and ACTIVELY participated with alot of charitable events (where were you when we all went to help those victims of the fire?)
I actively assist with the Human Rights authority to ensuring that expats get the rights that they deserve.
I have successfully got the government to print out and hand out flyers to labourers with important help line numbers for when they need it.
and I participate in so much more.
So have a one fingered salute on me for being so ignorant. Who want's to bet that you won't even bother to apologize for getting me wrong? If you act this way with people who 'work hard and treat their staff with dignity' I wonder how you treat others.
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Gypsy, I guess if you work here in Qatar you have to agree to the Qatarization programme for all it's flaws. It is mandatory. Hopefully it will continue to improve and refine.
One (not you personally) can't have it both ways - on the one hand criticising Qataris for being absolutely useless and needing expats for everything and then on the other hand resenting them taking jobs in their own country.
At least the government is trying to do something for their people. And they ought to. A country should look after it's people to the best of it's capability and resources. Education is one of our top priorities.
For a country such as mine with a very small native population we will forever be dependent on expats and indeed very grateful that they are willing to come and work in our country.
I hope the Qatarisation process contiues to develop and improve and that Qataris are held more accountable for their performance at work.
On a lighter note, I can send round my four year old daughter to answer the phone. She sounds like she might be better than the current person and I can promise you she does not own a cell phone or know how to file her nails yet. She might be able to give her a few pointers ;)
DG, the jokes I believe stem from the fact that many of us have to deal with the negative effects of Qatarization, ie losing our jobs, dealing with incomptent managers or support staff. It's not much fun knowing the intern who sits and does her nails all day and talks or her cell phone is making more money then you when you're sitting at your desk working hard. :(
Qatarisation, but as already discussed, people need to be trained properly first.
What I do think though is that Qataris need to start coming out of their privilaged homes and start at the bottom like we all did back in our own countries.
Street sweeping positions, waiters and waitresses, maids.... the list can go on, instead of thinking they can just walk into positions that require skill and training.
I work for a very high up family as an au pair, I am treated well, but unfotunately I cannot say the same for the cleaning staff or drivers.
DG, Whoami, unfortunately you are in the minority that work hard and treat their staff with dignity, I think its time you had a hand in putting the government straight, taking the pleas of people seriously, instead of getting defensive and acting like there is nothing wrong...
No offence taken Gypsy. I am not responsible for the Qatarization programme. Although I do thnk it is a good idea. But the people in question need to be trained properly and motivated to be in that position. That is the responsibility of both the programme and the employer.
What I do object to are the gross generalizations and the derogatory jokes on this thread.
Wasn't the purpose of this thread discussing Qatarization? Frankly, no offence to DG and Whoami, but I really don't like Qatarization, because it's simply handing jobs over to someone because of their nationality rather then that's because that's what they want to do. There are lots of Qatari's who do work hard and have ambition (These are not the ones being handed Qatarization jobs), but there are also lots who are simply working because they have to and are told to. I also agree with Oryx that for this to work there needs to be more technical colleges.
If I 'can't take the heat'. Wait a minute. So you're in my country, You're insulting my people, and you're acting like a racist and I should take that? I don't think so.
How about rather than me 'leaving the building'. You go somewhere that you like? Obviously Qatar isn't satisfying you.
"Are we stereotyping and racist when on a daily basis we see Qataris walking around a supermarket with a malnourished maid trailing behind them?"
Yes you are! I've never done that. My father has never done that. My uncle has never done that. You are GENERALIZING!
"Are you really suggesting that Qataris work hard in the office? In fact in any job? It is very rare so don’t start ranting about how you know of 5, no let’s say 20 Qataris you know that work hard."
I work from 7am until 5-7pm depending on the day. I work hard and do my job diligently.
You want to say that people don't because you haven't seen it? Then OPEN your eyes. You are a small minded person full of hate and arrogance.
If you see something, it doesn't mean that it's a common occurrence.
I see lazy Qataris, Lazy Brits, Lazy Indians, lazy everyone. Next time, be careful with your words.
Oh and believe it or not, Qatar isn't the only place where your 'horrors' occur. It seems that also need to open your eyes.
And I'll repeat, I myself as a Qatari am working hard to get Qatari legislation digitized so that it can be more transparent. Myself and other Qataris often help out with the Human Rights Authority to give those who need it help. I also started an initiative to get Human Rights numbers and hotlines printed onto leaflets to hand out to labourers and workers at the airports as they come in. Perhaps my work is in vain?
@everyone, renee obviously thinks that her experience's speak for everyone elses.
@jauntie, thanks for being level headed.
@oryx, I remember reading that the government has training centers set up. (and I agree :P)
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I can't seem to understand what's the deal with Nationalizing the jobs lately. If any given government authority/company wants to recruit Qataris then fine, recruit them already & enough with the show-off.With the continues development( specially in the industrial/engineering sector), there are 100's of job vacancy in companies like QP,QTEL, Kahramaa, RASGAS,QATARGAS ETC (Contractors builds system , they don't operate it). The whole Qatarisation propaganda is creating a frustrating atmosphere at government offices. With most of those authorities running systems based on ERP, work paper-less and seeking ISO. It's only a matter of time till those authorities create a new positions to fulfill system requirement while they continue show-0casing their so-called Qatarisation
I applaud you aviduser, who is not too afraid speak your mind of what is really going on around you. See, the difference between you and most on here is that you openly admit on a open forum the horrors that occur in this country. Everyone on here knows about it but are too worried about their reputation on QL to admit it.
The worst part being that on QL most make it seem that everything is wonderful in Doha when in reality it is far from it.
Don’t you find it strange people that when outside of QL in the big bad world, outside of cyberspace EVERYONE is aware of the horrors of this place. Too scared of your reputation on this site though...the reality of it!!
I'm guessing this post gets deleted like many others :(
I agree it happens in other places, but the hypocritical part being this is an Islamic country where it should not happen based on Islamic principles.
In terms of me taking it out on Qataris on this forum - your probably right. But I'm so sick of them sticking up for such a place where slave labour exists.
If my country treated human beings like this I would be the FIRST to act upon it and try not to justify what goes on. The only way to move forward in any society is to expose shortcomings and I don't see Qatar doing this.
They continue to applaud only the positive while ignoring the real problems this country faces.
Only then will you see a country succeed and progress.
I just don't always like the way you take it out on the few, really nice, Qatari people on QL who most likely feel the same way you do about injustice in this part of the world.
It's not just here, it's everywhere. I could cry for the world if I didn't catch my breath and realise I can't help everyone!
I'm sure you are doing all you can in whatever you do, but please try to remember not to tar all with the same brush.
A sales assistant was sent to a detention centre and later deported for something so minor and not even worthy of a second thought which I cant say on here due to privacy, that was so ridiculous - i dont see that happening in the UK.
There you are wrong jauntie. Any nanny, maid etc can be sent to a detention centre for any reason as their master sees fit.
Is it against the law to be raped, end up pregnant, your child taken away - the next thing you find, your in a detention centre!! happens all the time here.
There are no human right laws, which do exist in the UK, thats the difference.
I see things posted on QL about maids being dragged behind their 'mistresses' in shops etc. I've lived in Doha for over a year (not long I know) and shop regularly and I have never seen this stuff people are harping on about. I'm not blind and I read newspapers I can see it happens but NOT just here in Doha.
As to slave labour, I know nothing except I have a feeling the 'slaves' are bought in by and housed and treated by their own nationals, NOT the Qatari sponsors. But I don't know - just a thought.
Most country's have detention centres. And NO I haven't visited any, but I do know there is one in the news in UK at the moment which is apparently a disgrace - full of immigrants awaiting deportation.
Don't ask me why these places aren't run better, but they don't only exist in Qatar!
you are so aggressive towards Qataris. I think you need to explain why you are so aggessive FULL STOP!
Where are you from that you don't see injustice in any other parts of the world, are you so blinkered you can only see things wrong on this Forum? in this Country?
Personally I think Nationalization is important. It shows there is someone thinking about the future of their country and their people. The boom in the Gulf will not last forever and expats will leave. Investing in the people by providing quality education and encouraging them to invest in their own futures will be hugely important to this area when the natural resources are no longer viable. The hand writing is on the wall and Sheika Mousa (forgive my spelling) and others like her recognize it. I think that this program is in its infancy and needs a LOT of work to become successful. I do NOT support putting unqualified people in positions simply because of their citizenship. I don't believe it is the right thing to do or the responsible thing to do. But insulting an entire race of people is not something to aspire to either. Just out of curiousity and not to stir the pot, but how many of you all complaining on here have taken steps to address your particular situations with unqualified Nationals performing unsatisfactorily in your offices with the proper officials in the proper manner. I ask simply because I am curious to know if you document the poor work ethic properly and bring your documented complaints to the proper authority, are your concerns addressed?
it has to do with kids coming out of schools/colleges and/or unis without having any idea of how an office works!
I was called in to help deal with a large UK Company which was being taken over and to sort out things connected with the Personnel Department (HR) and was landed with an (apparently) qualified girl, straight from Uni with a degree in psychology, sociology and God only know what-other-ology to do with HR.
I soon realised I couldn't find personnel files ... you know why?
Guess?
In a huge room full of files for thousands of people, she was filing stuff under their FIRST NAME INITIAL and NOT their LAST NAME.
Can you imagine the chaos????
She also used to wander off at any time of day for her lunchbreak - irrespective of who, if anyone, was in the office to take calls etc.
Totally UNTRAINED in Office ways - not a clue.
Mind you, when someone made a comment about that epic poet, Homer, the previous Admin girl thought they were talking about Homer Simpson, so there's no hope really lol
I don't understand why people are complaining on Qatarization. In my country, I don't know for others, our nationality has priority, so if somebody doesn't agree with some rules here should leave or back home if there is better. I am guest here and always will be and I accepted and agree with Qatarization, one day if happens I don't like something here I will leave. It's better than some other zation.
And finaly, I know four Qataris who are working 12 hours a day, sometimes on Fridays and they didn't go on vacation some four five years.
oh and for those of you from the States.... explain to me how this is any different from Affirmative Action. I have been in the position of having to hire a lesser qualified minority while in the States in order to meet a quota. So it is done in many places - it just goes by a different name and my be more subtle in nature - but in my book a spade is a spade any way you deal it.
Amnesia, if you can’t handle the heat leave the building!
whoami said wow what a lovely bunch of ...
wow what a lovely bunch of people here.
Nothing more than stereotyping and racism
>> I find it amusing that you even say such a thing when racism exists on a daily basis in Doha. Before you say it, racism is worse in Doha than MOST countries.
Are we stereotyping and racist when on a daily basis we see Qataris walking around a supermarket with a malnourished maid trailing behind them?
Worse yet the maid who is FORCED to cover her head? Or getting yelled at by her master? Don’t see you criticizing that!!
How many Qataris do you see with an axe in their hand pounding at the desert to make you Qataris a nice snug home? Am I generalizing by saying that? Who in their right mind think there is anything normal about that?
Are you really suggesting that Qataris work hard in the office? In fact in any job? It is very rare so don’t start ranting about how you know of 5, no let’s say 20 Qataris you know that work hard.
Any time anyone on here makes any negative comment about Qatar you get so defensive. So what, no country is perfect, get over it.
I cant imagine if the USA was judged solely on the crappy people here. What if everyone said all American's were just like Bush, YIKES! Every country is full of stupid people, but it takes an even stupider person to think everyone in the is like that.
Avid's comment is hilarious... it is a joke right?
on their country, and you said that to the local people?
Come on, pay respect to them as you wanna be respected by foreigners in your country too.
I cant imagine if hearing somebody said this (even if it is a joke) in my country, off course I'll do something to deport them lol :-P. It is purely racism and humiliation.
Wake-up, think again for how u can enjoy your live in this country. I dont think you can get whatever you earn here in your country, that's the reason why you come here, right?
Then (after you earn all of those benefits) you humiliate the locals? what a thankful person u r?
We've been told our firm cannot apply for any more visas until we have been through 'the list' of Qataris who apparently want to work. I understand when this list (8,000 people I'm told) is somewhat diminished, MoL will consider permitting work visa apps for foreigners to resume. Everything else that has been said above, however, is ENTIRELY true in my experience. Our Qataris spend most of their time gossiping and complaining that they don't have reserved parking...
PS - Avid, nothing wrong with drinking coffee OR eating dates...
I know Gumpy, I'm teaching a 20 hour course on Customer Serive :P i'll probably spend the WHOLE 20 hours trying to explain what customer service means.
Hehehehehe. They just offered a six hour training session on how to answer the phone at work.
Seriously though, at work they started offering after hours training in the MS Office 2007 suite, who attends-the Indians, Philippinos, Syrians, Palestinians and a smattering of Westerners. The Qatari admin staff sign up, but then don't attend.
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Genesis, not to hijack the thread. But my office email signature is somewhat "fun" (like your new secretary's office email signature). DD picture (like this message) and my work number and title are my office email signature.
On to serious topics....Qatarization will largely put Qataris in non-essential positions. The real, hard will be done by expats working alongside him, even if he is earning the highest salary (lowest on the totem pole gets paid the most). There are some exceptions. Some Qatari students who I teach have moved onto real, meaningful work. But this is few and far between.
This time the government is serious, they have sent out form to companies to fill with details of all support staff who are going to be replaced, the form also specifies a time frame. job title and salary details.
All support roles must be Qatarized by end of 2009, even banks stopped loans for expat. employees with salaries less than 10,000 as a result of that directive ... if you do not believe it go and check with a bank like CBQ
I was having the same joke today with colleagues!They got us a new secretary , her only task so far is to accumulate & compile weekly project progress reports from all project coordinators. Her weekly reminder email is " please send the report update" in PINK! along with hearts, kisses & butterflies as her signature!!!
You're being optimistic. When an administrative professional with twenty years experience and the organizational ability to run a small army is replaced by a 19 year old girl who can't turn on the computer, much less type a memo or help organize the budget, and then when she is made "supervisor" of all the other clerical staff, all that you are going to have is a disaster.
Again, why the thinking that clerical staff is not important and that any non-trained person off of the street can do it? If it takes two years of specialized tech school training to become a secretary, then it seems to me that the thinking is poorly planned.
No, the secretarial work is being done by P.hds who spend all their time chasing down photocopier repair guys and the air conditioning maintenance people instead of what they should be doing. Not the most effective use of highly paid labour....
Ummm, yes we do need the positions, nothing is getting done and the collapsing has already started with all the knock on effects. The expat staff has stopped covering for the remaining Qatari admin staff and are just making sure that there is a paper trail for when it all comes crashing down. Sad, but true.
Dweller is bang on about HR though, unfortunately, when it collapses it means essential staff not getting in the country because their visas weren't processed, and other staff leaving suddenly because the work to renew the RPs weren't done.
the last point you made was what I was thinking, if the jobs are kept open but not being used then surely the company has found a way around this, therefor the jobs are no longer valid
the "pecking" order for jobs has always been Qatari first, second was other arab and third was any other nationality.
Admin jobs (particularly HR) have always been seen as an easy Qatarisation option. It's not like an operational job where, if somebody screws up, there's often a big bang or an accident.
HR and its systems can slowly deteriorate with no apparent effect......until the system does collapse and by then it's often too late.
Enter the expats again to sort things out.
One comment. If the jobs have been vacant for so long, do you actually need the jobs?
light of the subject but think it is a valid point that gumby made, if there are people willing to do the job, myself included but the positions are empty being reserved for Qatari's it seems so pointless :(
please excuse me I am at the moment mesmerised by the above signature!!!! lol
I can see it happening overnight indeed. In my organization we have four administrative positions sitting empty that have been reserved for Qataris. No one wants them, we had one woman for a while, but she quit after a month as her husband thought that it was too far for her to drive.
What silliness, we can't hire anyone to fill the positions as they are reserved for Qataris, but we can't find any Qataris willing to take the jobs, and nothing is getting done.
Why are administrative positions considered to be "unskilled" anyway? A good admin assistant is worth their weight in gold.
It could very well be true. Qatarization is a very high priority here. But with that said, saying that Qataris should fill secretarial positions and getting them to do so are two different things. A national is going to have to want the job before the job is Qatarized. I'm not sure how this would be handled so I don't see it happening overnight. I'm not sure if this refers to replacing people already in positions or for new positions opening up. One would like to think that expats will keep their job until their contract runs out at least. Also - it could be that a qualified Qatari is given first opportunity at a new position and if it isn't filled then it can be opened up to expats. In any event - it will take time to sort out.
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djack, ejudith, you're reviving a 2-year-old racist thread!
“ AN END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS “
It is for their own good.They must prepare themselves to be leaders of their own country,
Do crazy people know that they are crazy?
I have difficulty accepting your comment "QP doesn't seem to care about training these men".
In the early 80's IDP's (Individual Development Pragrammes) of up to 3 year duration were introduced for Qatari graduates. The name may have changed but whatever they have now will be the same thing or very very similar.
One of the difficulties was that the Qataris did not like the grade GT (Graduate Trainee) that they were awarded until they finished the IDP. The graduates felt this was demeaning and pushed for a bona-fide grade.
In fact GT was not a grade and had no maximum salary, it was purely a salary and level at which a graduate would be recruited and reflected their true status. Progress of the salary was based on their progress against the measured targets of the IDP.
Unfortunately, many of the graduates considered that when they had successfully completed their IDP, they were fit to go directly into an established position unsupervised.
In some disciplines, that may be possible but there are other disciplines (take instrumentation as an example) where it would have proved an unsafe practice. It was decided that an expatriate would "take them under the wing" during further OJT during which time they could hone their skills.
The point of my post is that the training and development of nationals (certainly graduates) is well catered for and was certainly well planned in QP. I doubt if it will have changed that much since I was last involved.
Tweetbird & Gumby are right on! They seem to be the only ones who have a insiders view of Qatarization. The problem is the system; how Qatarization is being organized and managed.
Main problem with Qatarization => system and training.
It's not the Qatari but the training programs and oversight of these programs. My college here is one of the new technical training colleges that is training (mostly) Qatari men from QP and Karama (among other companies). These companies illustrate the wrong and right approach to training these men. QP doesn't seem to care about training these men. They just send them to the college and hope for the best. BUT, Karama is deeply involved in their students' training. They regularly visit the training facility and meet with the students. They appoint managers to stay in touch with the students.
If more companies took the approach of Karama, then Qatarization might be more successful.
I am offended by many of the posts here, but here are a few problems with the current Qatarization strategy:
There aren't enough Qataris to fill all to positions.
Most of those available are not trained well enough, we should train them (on the job?), which is something we seem to ignore.
We fire first, then look for somebody to hire.
There are many new jobs needed, not only replacing current jobs.
We've been talking about Qatarization for 25 years and have only been serious about it this year.
Sure, if a Qatari can do the job, let him take it, If a foreigner is to be replaced by a Qatari, I suggest letting him work with the foreigner for a few months or years first.
I'll finish by saying what will happen is this: foreigners will be laid off government jobs, nobody will replace them, then the government agencies will contract companies to provide people who are not counted in their head count, providing 100% Qatarization.
"I really think that a combination of factors need to come into play - improved education system, competition for jobs, the safety net being removed of parents bailing their children out and the relative ease of entering the workforce. And perhaps the biggest...accountability of performance and consequences"
Diamondgirl, I think that you just summed up the entire thread in one paragraph. Now, if someone could just tell me how to make a cool avatar... ;-)
Hand on Heart, that Qatarisation is not working where I'm employed, because too many dont come to work often enough to contribute. Not all, but many.
Im level headed, not racist or bitter, I just go about my work and go home to my family. The truth is, some Qataris (like many people around the world) simply dont have the incentive, initiative or work ethic required to turn in day after day.
However it's their country, their rules. Accept it or move on, because as frustrating as it can sometimes be, the mind set changes could take generations.
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You can laugh at me all you like because I have Alzheimers, .......but at least I dont have Alzheimers
Yes, Tweety, totally agree with you. We can ALL learn from each other.
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This is the kind of debate that makes QL so valuable. Don't you wish you could have this type of conversation all of the time? Both sides get to discuss a topic from their perspective. Responses are intelligent and insightful. If only those who insist on dragging these types of topics down, via negativity, racial slurs and general nastiness would just take a hike - we could learn something from each other and about each other.
Yes, Gumby, there is an epidemic of educational failure amongst young Qatari males. It is now trying to be addressed by the government but I think it will take a long time to significantly reverse this trend. I think that many young men know that they can find a job, it's not too hard for them to find a job that pays pretty well, considering what qualifications they have. So, for many, they simply don't want to try. Also, their families spoil them with , for example, cars and allowances so they don't know what it feels like to have to earn something. Another point to note is that the banks are literally throwing money at Qataries in the form of loans...many young men are in debt up to their eyeballs. There's a lot of attractive consumer goods out there (vroom, vroom) to be bought.
The difference between Qatari youth and Omani youth is that there aren't enough jobs for the Omanis so competition is present so the work ethic is raised. You will find many Omanis leaving Oman in search of work...even graduates. This is not the case for Qataris.
Now for our young women...yay! I feel so happy for them that recently their world has opened up and the opportunities are now so much greater. Many women are eager to have careers (not just jobs). Go sisters. I cannot tell you how happy and supportive of them I am. I am lucky to have been raised by enlightened parents who instilled in me that education and contribution to society are paramount.
Bear in mind that perhaps ten years os so ago, Qatar was a relatively sleep place compared to the present day. So much business is in Qatar now requiring a much greater workforce with an ever increasing diversity of skills and experience. Unfortunately our education system has not had time to catch up significantly for many of our youth to enter the workforce properly equipped in skills and attitude.
I really think that a combination of factors need to come into play - improved education system, competition for jobs, the safety net being removed of parents bailing their children out and the relative ease of entering the workforce. And perhaps the biggest...accountability of performance and consequences
HH and the government have identified the problem and are actively working on it. However, I do think that it will take a generation or two for significant differences to be evident.
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In theory, if done correctly and applied to those who can fill the work slots, will be a wonderful addition to this country. If done incorrectly, ie, hiring just because you are Qatari but have no qualifications..can bring your country to a skreeching halt.
As Tweetybird mentioned..take a look at American's Affirmative action...hire enough minorities to fill the "quota" whether they are skilled or not, didn't work, doesn't work and won't work. Hire minorities because they ARE skilled and have the qualifications, and yes, it will work and work very well. Teach those that are willing to get down and do the work. If you hire someone who doesn't do their job then fire them. This needs to be applied to the Qatarization as well.
As far as Qataris being lazy...I beg to disagree. I know a few at my hubby's work that do more than a lot of the other expats. Plus their knowledge of how to manage the people here, is priceless. Its in any nationality...so don't generalize on nationality or race...there's bad apples in every barrel...
I just hope that with the Qatarization..it doesn't go so wrong that they throw the baby out with the bath water.
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
You hit the nail on the head with Qatarization and what I had tried to say earlier. Assessment is key! Diamond Girl made a good point on the second piece that is needed which is accountability.
Hard working people with the desire to learn, whether they are Qatari or not, should be assessed and then given help in the areas that the assessment shows is needed.
If you have an employee that is not living up to the expectations, is not open to mentoring and advice, is frequently absent, etc - they should be accountable for their actions and if need be, let go so the position can be filled by someone who wants it.
I agree whole heartedly with Qatarization. It needs to be done right and I'm sure at some point it will be done so. I have little experience with young Qatari men outside of my job but I had a lovely young man visit my office yesterday. During the conversation, he asked me about my job and seemed to be truly interested and I was impressed with his questions. So much so I am seriously considering tracking him down and offering him an internship.
Whoami - we know you and your character. You have no need to defend yourself here in my opinion. I have seen first hand the things you have done and organized. Don't even comment on some of the above posts. Your actions speak louder than any words spoken by certain people who only have time for criticism.
I don't think we should generalize. Qatar has a very small local population. They have been thrust into the 21st century and it takes time to adapt.
As for laziness, It is a symptom everywhere. There are thousands of people in the UK who are perfectly happy to take it easy and live off the government handouts....
@renee, come here.. come.. yep come here *arms wide open*.
Someone needs a hug. Awww... there you go.
Now for the reply, although most will be copy and past from my past post because it seems you like to skim
>> So, you’re telling us that “most” are hard workers??????????
Quoting myself
To be honest I don't think that the majority of my people are like me (hardworking) when it comes to the activities that I do. It wasn't my intention to imply that either.
Why does it have to be a majority or minority?
You want to find them? Show me a job opening and I'll find you someone who's interested in the position that'll be hard-working.
">> So you’re saying the majority aren’t? Tell us where to look."
See quote above. However, look around, they're around you.
>>Your half British yes? Did you once see the British with slave workers who carry their baskets in a supermarket?
Yes I am half British. If you're 'slave worker' is in reference to a maid, then yes. And I think it's rude to call them slaves.
">> take your own advice and look around you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am can you do that too Miss Pessimist.
As for the rest of your post, it's utter garbage. I'll ask again though, if you hate Qatar so much why are you here?
"I have one last question for you – do you NOT see the pure misery of others around you??? Are you that blind?
Do you not also see the happiness?
Finally, if you're such an angel yourself, how about going out there and doing something rather than moaning on the forum and making everything seem so negative. See the light before your heart turns black.
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But I can say that I do think that hard workers are 'not' a minority.
I think that no country in the world could say that their countrymen were like me. What do you think?
>> So, you’re telling us that “most” are hard workers??????????
Please let us know where we can find “hard working “ Qataris in Doha. I am serious!!!!!!
We have lazy people, impatient people, active people, caring people, evil people, good people, and all sorts. But I just hate it how when it comes to the negative side, people automatically want to say 'all or most of Qataris' are like that.
>> So you’re saying the majority aren’t? Tell us where to look.
When I was in the UK, I met some of the rudest people in my life, but never once did I feel "Most British people are uncaring and rude".
>>Your half British yes? Did you once see the British with slave workers who carry their baskets in a supermarket?
AT]korly, and you need to grow up and realize that the world isn't seen through ONE PERSONS EYES.
>> take your own advice and look around you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I started a charity for labourers and ACTIVELY participated with alot of charitable events (where were you when we all went to help those victims of the fire?)
>>This last comment “where were you” is so immature..... as if it wasn’t for the cruelty that went on in this country this would have never have happened in the first place.
Such the martyr you are - why don’t we all just expose what we have contributed towards society...
I actively assist with the Human Rights authority to ensuring that expatriates get the rights that they deserve.
>>Rights??? You mean the jobs the locals are unable to do....
You may find nasty, idiotic people in the UK but you don’t find modern slavery at its best....
I have one last question for you – do you NOT see the pure misery of others around you??? Are you that blind?
Diamondgirl – you can call me whatever you like, it really doesn’t affect me. What affects me is the suffering going on in this place – before you go on about how I’m “generalizing” and “it goes on everywhere” – your right, but they don’t live by Islamic principles - I've lived with Muslims my whole life and they are ashamed by how the majority of muslims in the gulf treat others.
Really you can talk about “growth” all day long and how much “Qatar” has “achieved” but until something is done about SLAVE LABOUR in this country you shouldn’t be celebrating yet!!!
I would never be so "defensive" like you are, towards any country including my own where I had to witness on a day to day basis the cruelty and injustice that goes on in Qatar.....I guess it is so easy to love a place where your not on your hands and knees in 40 degree heat with a axe and pix in your hand...
Shall we try it to see how they feel? Yeah right, like that would happen..!!!
Mmmm, While I support the general concept of Qatarization, there are things I need to say about these posts. I know extremely hard working and highly qualified Qataris, but they tend to be at the upper levels, very cosmopolitan, educated outside the Gulf, etc, etc. Very competent and industrious; they are quite common at higher management levels, but I have to say that my experience with Qatari employees at the lower levels has not been positive. Just incredible amounts absenteeism, young men refusing to take instruction from women, failure to attend training, forgery of sick notes, etc, etc. I'm afraid that a great deal of time is wasted by managers passing these employees around from department to department as no one wants them. The goal seems to be put on "administrative holding", which is where they get paid while they wait for a suitable position to turn up.
My big concern is for the young Qatari men. What has happened? The PIRLS and PISA as well as the MENA Education report shows an INCREASING gap between the achievement levels of young Qatari men and young Qatari women is the largest in Gulf. Why? Quite frankly, the young women we've had been working with, with a couple of exceptions, have been wonderful. Yes, they come from educationally deprived backgrounds and need very extensive training in the most basic of skills (sorry, but that is the truth, the reforms haven't had the desired effects yet, but that is a topic for another thread)but they are willing to learn and make an effort and seem to enjoy the socializing and stimulation of the office environment.
What's the deal with the young men though? I know that I'm not the only one who has noticed or commented on it, it is officially an area of concern for the Qatari government. Anyone have any idea why so many young Qatari men are performing so far below their ability levels?
I'm particularly interested in the differences between here and Oman. When I worked there the Omanization campaign was just getting into full force. The education that many of the Omanis had received was just as weak as the what many of the students here receive, and the young men were just as unprepared to enter the workforce, but the approach and attitude was different...usually, and the young men seemed to have more interest in learning and more pride in their work. What do people think, is this a cultural difference between Oman and Qatar, or is it more of a result of the financial (dis)incentives to Qataris in the workplace.
One thing that I think really needs to be addressed has been mentioned, and that is assessment, but it is such a delicate issue I don't know how it would be handled. All the Qatari staff have been taken out of the normal assessment system and are assessed using a completely different system from everyone else that has no bearing on their actual abilities, it is basically based on the time clock and whether they punched in, not how effective they are.
I do have concerns for Qatarization's future though. I don't see the continuity and skills being developed long-term from the bottom up, at least in my field. By rights the assistant to the supervisor should be a Qatari learning the ropes so that he or she can take over in a few years. I've only been with the organization for two years,and we've gone through seven Qatari assistant supervisors. They've all been men, and they've all quit, either the pay was too low, they resented being mentored and trained by an American, the work was too hard, or the commute to work took too long! I see a divide developing with extremely hard-working, diligent and well-educated Qataris in the very top positions and many more Qataris in positions that are relatively low-skilled and low-status and perceived by them to be low paid. I have no idea how to prevent this from happening, particularly with the young men who have graduated from CNA-Q or some of the technical schools. We have a hard time explaining that a certificate is the floor or the absolute starting place, it is not the ceiling or final end product, and that it doesn't qualify them to manage a dozen people.
I do see the potential for many more highly motivated women to take advantage of the opportunities of Qatarization to advance themselves, but the resentment, no, hostility would be a better word, from young Qatari men disturbs me.
Right, I think that I have written an essay. What one gets with too much coffee and insomnia. Would be interested in opinions, particularly from the Qatari crowd who could give me some insight into the psyche of so many of the young Qatari men.
Whoa, Diamondgirl, cool new avatar. Okay, someone must send me a link and teach me how to do that sort of thing.
There is definitely hope in spades for Qatar. HH the Emir and HH Sheikha Mozah are visionaries and likened to revolutionaries for what they have done and what they are doing for our country. What, for example amongst other things, is Qatar Foundation if not a beacon of hope for the education and careers of generations of Qataris to come. Qatarization is in it's infancy. It will continue to develop as long as the accountability grows too.
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@korly, so lets get this straight. If I keep it to myself, you assume I've done nothing, and if I prove otherwise I'm bragging?
At the end of the day there's no winning with people like you. So just admit it. You'll find a reason to moan to matter what.
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Damages the Country and its reputation, bringing people in just because they are Qatari is a disaster that has happened at our place and will continue in other companies in the country.
This doesn't need to happen, for example if they want HR and Finance people to be Qataris concentrate on this skill at universities, make education vocation based, make them work hard and HONESTLY for their degrees and qualifications, send them abroad, get them on the job training, bring in foreign trainers and get them up to international standards. All of this can be done the money exists for this.
Once the people are in the job, KEEP AN EYE on them, take HONEST surveys of staff do appraisals, have targets and deadlines to meet.
KEEP THE PRESSURE on them to be their very best.
Qataris are human beings right ? the same as everyone else, they are no different but the culture of entitlement is ruining them.
This has to stop, until is does some of us will post rants on this site about them, and as I say this does any hard-working Qataris a dis service and makes us generalise about them.
The problem is in most generalisations their is a lot of truth behind them, my company is waiting to be paid their overtime, WHY? because the Qatari HR head has let the work pile up on his desk and only bothers to come in a day or two a week.
So our staff immediately goto the default position of "lazy Qatari blah blah blah" So his work or lack of it focuses our minds on the negatives.
When finance or HR are the problems a whole company can suffer and these are the two most important things in a company, if you keep your staff happy your company is more productive happier and more loyal.
I HOPE and if I were religious would PRAY that Sheilka Mousa (spelling ?) and her husband realise this.
There is certainly hope for Qatar, I hope, They can turn it around.
True nothing wrong with coffee drinking or date eating, I enjoy both. The problem comes when that is actually all the QATARIS do ALL DAY.
Dweller is spot on above, Al Jazeera's staff crisis written about in many publications including the TIMES and the GUARDIAN has been caused by HR and their total incompetence.
They seem totally unashamed to be seen as totally useless, they shame their country their region and their religion.
Wow the rest of this post was quite offensive must not post on here again while drunk....Wooops
You are such an active person. You get a big pat on the back for all the wonderful things you have done. Maybe some of your fellow countrymen can take some notes.
Oh, and who said I wasn't around for the "fire victims" I am not someone that likes to brag about all my wonderful works. Charity is supposed to be anonymous!
absolutely, so at the end of the day it comes down to wear you look.
People see what they want to see.
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Hmmmm, I don't think it's that MOST Qatari's are lazy/incompetent, I think it's that the majority of one's who end up in Qataization programs are. I think that's just a natural fact with any kind of program like that, like Affirmative Action in the US. Also unforunately many many expats only end up working with people who are Qatarized (as I like to call it, he he) so that's where a lot of the bad sterotypes come from.
However I say if you want to see Qatari's at work, go to VCU and see some of the amazing artwork some of these girls are coming out with. Blows my mind all the time.
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To be honest I don't think that the majority of my people are like me when it comes to the activities that I do. It wasn't my intention to imply that either.
But I can say that I do think that hardworkers are 'not' a minority.
I think that no country in the world could say that their countrymen were like me. What do you think?
We have lazy people, impatient people, active people, caring people, evil people, good people, all sorts. But I just hate it how when it comes to the negative side, people automatically want to say 'all or most of Qataris' are like that.
When I was in the UK, I met some of the most rudest people in my life, but never once did I feel "Most British people are uncaring and rude".
Then you have people on QL, who say thinks like Korly and assume that I've done nothing. They automatically assume the worst in people and that, my kind Gypsy, is what gets to me.
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Whoami, without a doubt you are doing a lot for your country. You're active and ambitious, and hardworking. But just out of curiosity, do you think the majority of your countrymen are like you? I dont' want to offend, I just want to know what you think.
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@korly, and you need to grow up and realize that the world isn't seen through ONE PERSONS EYES.
and I will also have to repeat a post to this comment
"Whoami, unfortunately you are in the minority that work hard and treat their staff with dignity, I think its time you had a hand in putting the government straight, taking the pleas of people seriously, instead of getting defensive and acting like there is nothing wrong..."
Get your head out of the ground and stop assuming that you know people when you don't.
I actively participate in getting Qatar's legislation to be TRANSPARANT.
I started a charity for labourers and ACTIVELY participated with alot of charitable events (where were you when we all went to help those victims of the fire?)
I actively assist with the Human Rights authority to ensuring that expats get the rights that they deserve.
I have successfully got the government to print out and hand out flyers to labourers with important help line numbers for when they need it.
and I participate in so much more.
So have a one fingered salute on me for being so ignorant. Who want's to bet that you won't even bother to apologize for getting me wrong? If you act this way with people who 'work hard and treat their staff with dignity' I wonder how you treat others.
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you look at the world through rose tinted glasses, come down to earth sometime and see whats going on around you!
@Korly, I don't think we are a minority at all.
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LOL DG, if your 4 year old can actually say the word "Hello" then she'll far surpass most receptionists in this country. :P
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Gypsy, I guess if you work here in Qatar you have to agree to the Qatarization programme for all it's flaws. It is mandatory. Hopefully it will continue to improve and refine.
One (not you personally) can't have it both ways - on the one hand criticising Qataris for being absolutely useless and needing expats for everything and then on the other hand resenting them taking jobs in their own country.
At least the government is trying to do something for their people. And they ought to. A country should look after it's people to the best of it's capability and resources. Education is one of our top priorities.
For a country such as mine with a very small native population we will forever be dependent on expats and indeed very grateful that they are willing to come and work in our country.
I hope the Qatarisation process contiues to develop and improve and that Qataris are held more accountable for their performance at work.
On a lighter note, I can send round my four year old daughter to answer the phone. She sounds like she might be better than the current person and I can promise you she does not own a cell phone or know how to file her nails yet. She might be able to give her a few pointers ;)
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Umm, Korly, I'm not pretending nothing's wrong. Obviously there is or people wouldn't be complaining. Did you not read my last post?
And I can object until the cows come home about people sitting in my country slagging off my people.
It's called 'a discussion'.
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DG, the jokes I believe stem from the fact that many of us have to deal with the negative effects of Qatarization, ie losing our jobs, dealing with incomptent managers or support staff. It's not much fun knowing the intern who sits and does her nails all day and talks or her cell phone is making more money then you when you're sitting at your desk working hard. :(
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for a Qatarisation Manager...they were looking for an expat...how ironic.
Qatarisation, but as already discussed, people need to be trained properly first.
What I do think though is that Qataris need to start coming out of their privilaged homes and start at the bottom like we all did back in our own countries.
Street sweeping positions, waiters and waitresses, maids.... the list can go on, instead of thinking they can just walk into positions that require skill and training.
I work for a very high up family as an au pair, I am treated well, but unfotunately I cannot say the same for the cleaning staff or drivers.
DG, Whoami, unfortunately you are in the minority that work hard and treat their staff with dignity, I think its time you had a hand in putting the government straight, taking the pleas of people seriously, instead of getting defensive and acting like there is nothing wrong...
No offence taken Gypsy. I am not responsible for the Qatarization programme. Although I do thnk it is a good idea. But the people in question need to be trained properly and motivated to be in that position. That is the responsibility of both the programme and the employer.
What I do object to are the gross generalizations and the derogatory jokes on this thread.
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Wasn't the purpose of this thread discussing Qatarization? Frankly, no offence to DG and Whoami, but I really don't like Qatarization, because it's simply handing jobs over to someone because of their nationality rather then that's because that's what they want to do. There are lots of Qatari's who do work hard and have ambition (These are not the ones being handed Qatarization jobs), but there are also lots who are simply working because they have to and are told to. I also agree with Oryx that for this to work there needs to be more technical colleges.
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worth arguing with Renee. She/he talks about openly criticising the country but is only prepared to do it from the anonymity of the internet.
Wonder if she would speak the same way if we knew who she/he is?
One other point. There are many expats in jobs that are not prepared to stand up and be counted by commenting honestly on what happens in companies.
And Renee, before you accuse me of hiding behind the internet I have been there, done it and got the T-shirt.
@renee, as usual your ignorance is amazing.
If I 'can't take the heat'. Wait a minute. So you're in my country, You're insulting my people, and you're acting like a racist and I should take that? I don't think so.
How about rather than me 'leaving the building'. You go somewhere that you like? Obviously Qatar isn't satisfying you.
"Are we stereotyping and racist when on a daily basis we see Qataris walking around a supermarket with a malnourished maid trailing behind them?"
Yes you are! I've never done that. My father has never done that. My uncle has never done that. You are GENERALIZING!
"Are you really suggesting that Qataris work hard in the office? In fact in any job? It is very rare so don’t start ranting about how you know of 5, no let’s say 20 Qataris you know that work hard."
I work from 7am until 5-7pm depending on the day. I work hard and do my job diligently.
You want to say that people don't because you haven't seen it? Then OPEN your eyes. You are a small minded person full of hate and arrogance.
If you see something, it doesn't mean that it's a common occurrence.
I see lazy Qataris, Lazy Brits, Lazy Indians, lazy everyone. Next time, be careful with your words.
Oh and believe it or not, Qatar isn't the only place where your 'horrors' occur. It seems that also need to open your eyes.
And I'll repeat, I myself as a Qatari am working hard to get Qatari legislation digitized so that it can be more transparent. Myself and other Qataris often help out with the Human Rights Authority to give those who need it help. I also started an initiative to get Human Rights numbers and hotlines printed onto leaflets to hand out to labourers and workers at the airports as they come in. Perhaps my work is in vain?
@everyone, renee obviously thinks that her experience's speak for everyone elses.
@jauntie, thanks for being level headed.
@oryx, I remember reading that the government has training centers set up. (and I agree :P)
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Hmm Gud its their country the Indians expats will go down Inshallah.....They will start working for their own countriues
First of all who is training the Qataris?
How are they being trained?
To what standards?
There is a lack of vocational training further education colleges in Qatar...
There should be a lot.
They should be free.
The should be teaching NVQ awards.
Also when Qataris take their first job... they should be mentored and made to do an NVQ and create a portfolio of their work.
Not some crappy token gesture training programme then plonked in an office.
Believe me they are not being trained properly.
I have suffered adversely due to Qatarisation..people not competent to do a job are being put into them.
That is mismanagement.
Instead of slagging off Qataris ask WHY?
Many are very capable they just aren't receiving the teaching and guidance required.
I can't seem to understand what's the deal with Nationalizing the jobs lately. If any given government authority/company wants to recruit Qataris then fine, recruit them already & enough with the show-off.With the continues development( specially in the industrial/engineering sector), there are 100's of job vacancy in companies like QP,QTEL, Kahramaa, RASGAS,QATARGAS ETC (Contractors builds system , they don't operate it). The whole Qatarisation propaganda is creating a frustrating atmosphere at government offices. With most of those authorities running systems based on ERP, work paper-less and seeking ISO. It's only a matter of time till those authorities create a new positions to fulfill system requirement while they continue show-0casing their so-called Qatarisation
Not biting. I wouldn't lower myself. Pure poison.
>> No, but what slave workers go through everyday is not "pure poison" in you country is it?
I applaud you aviduser, who is not too afraid speak your mind of what is really going on around you. See, the difference between you and most on here is that you openly admit on a open forum the horrors that occur in this country. Everyone on here knows about it but are too worried about their reputation on QL to admit it.
The worst part being that on QL most make it seem that everything is wonderful in Doha when in reality it is far from it.
Don’t you find it strange people that when outside of QL in the big bad world, outside of cyberspace EVERYONE is aware of the horrors of this place. Too scared of your reputation on this site though...the reality of it!!
I'm guessing this post gets deleted like many others :(
I agree it happens in other places, but the hypocritical part being this is an Islamic country where it should not happen based on Islamic principles.
In terms of me taking it out on Qataris on this forum - your probably right. But I'm so sick of them sticking up for such a place where slave labour exists.
If my country treated human beings like this I would be the FIRST to act upon it and try not to justify what goes on. The only way to move forward in any society is to expose shortcomings and I don't see Qatar doing this.
They continue to applaud only the positive while ignoring the real problems this country faces.
Only then will you see a country succeed and progress.
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Good read guys.
UInfortunatley there is a UN council but no truly enforceable international laws except war and that is far worse then a detention centre
I just don't always like the way you take it out on the few, really nice, Qatari people on QL who most likely feel the same way you do about injustice in this part of the world.
It's not just here, it's everywhere. I could cry for the world if I didn't catch my breath and realise I can't help everyone!
I'm sure you are doing all you can in whatever you do, but please try to remember not to tar all with the same brush.
A sales assistant was sent to a detention centre and later deported for something so minor and not even worthy of a second thought which I cant say on here due to privacy, that was so ridiculous - i dont see that happening in the UK.
There you are wrong jauntie. Any nanny, maid etc can be sent to a detention centre for any reason as their master sees fit.
Is it against the law to be raped, end up pregnant, your child taken away - the next thing you find, your in a detention centre!! happens all the time here.
There are no human right laws, which do exist in the UK, thats the difference.
Renee, the detention centres are for any immigrants who flaunt the Law.
You work in a detention centre?
I see things posted on QL about maids being dragged behind their 'mistresses' in shops etc. I've lived in Doha for over a year (not long I know) and shop regularly and I have never seen this stuff people are harping on about. I'm not blind and I read newspapers I can see it happens but NOT just here in Doha.
As to slave labour, I know nothing except I have a feeling the 'slaves' are bought in by and housed and treated by their own nationals, NOT the Qatari sponsors. But I don't know - just a thought.
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Yes but the UK is not an Islamic country, now is it Jauntie?
Axe picking, slave labour, maids who are treated worse than dogs – do i need to say more?
Women in detention centres, who have been raped, abused- but it occurs everywhere right?
How many other Islamic countries have you witnessed this?
Are you associated with people like this on a daily basis like I have?
where are you from - which country?
Most country's have detention centres. And NO I haven't visited any, but I do know there is one in the news in UK at the moment which is apparently a disgrace - full of immigrants awaiting deportation.
Don't ask me why these places aren't run better, but they don't only exist in Qatar!
Horrors? Yes Dracula is somewhere around Corniche now. People be careful.
Ummm - I've worked with people in the worst situations possible in this place.
Do you not see what goes on around you? how people are treated?
Come visit the detention centre with me and you will see why!
you are so aggressive towards Qataris. I think you need to explain why you are so aggessive FULL STOP!
Where are you from that you don't see injustice in any other parts of the world, are you so blinkered you can only see things wrong on this Forum? in this Country?
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Nowhere is Utopia.
why don't you crawl back under you stone.
>>what for sticking up for the helpless?
Do you ever consider them?
Why don't you before insulting me?
Shame on you all
why don't you crawl back under you stone.
Personally I think Nationalization is important. It shows there is someone thinking about the future of their country and their people. The boom in the Gulf will not last forever and expats will leave. Investing in the people by providing quality education and encouraging them to invest in their own futures will be hugely important to this area when the natural resources are no longer viable. The hand writing is on the wall and Sheika Mousa (forgive my spelling) and others like her recognize it. I think that this program is in its infancy and needs a LOT of work to become successful. I do NOT support putting unqualified people in positions simply because of their citizenship. I don't believe it is the right thing to do or the responsible thing to do. But insulting an entire race of people is not something to aspire to either. Just out of curiousity and not to stir the pot, but how many of you all complaining on here have taken steps to address your particular situations with unqualified Nationals performing unsatisfactorily in your offices with the proper officials in the proper manner. I ask simply because I am curious to know if you document the poor work ethic properly and bring your documented complaints to the proper authority, are your concerns addressed?
it has to do with kids coming out of schools/colleges and/or unis without having any idea of how an office works!
I was called in to help deal with a large UK Company which was being taken over and to sort out things connected with the Personnel Department (HR) and was landed with an (apparently) qualified girl, straight from Uni with a degree in psychology, sociology and God only know what-other-ology to do with HR.
I soon realised I couldn't find personnel files ... you know why?
Guess?
In a huge room full of files for thousands of people, she was filing stuff under their FIRST NAME INITIAL and NOT their LAST NAME.
Can you imagine the chaos????
She also used to wander off at any time of day for her lunchbreak - irrespective of who, if anyone, was in the office to take calls etc.
Totally UNTRAINED in Office ways - not a clue.
Mind you, when someone made a comment about that epic poet, Homer, the previous Admin girl thought they were talking about Homer Simpson, so there's no hope really lol
I don't understand why people are complaining on Qatarization. In my country, I don't know for others, our nationality has priority, so if somebody doesn't agree with some rules here should leave or back home if there is better. I am guest here and always will be and I accepted and agree with Qatarization, one day if happens I don't like something here I will leave. It's better than some other zation.
And finaly, I know four Qataris who are working 12 hours a day, sometimes on Fridays and they didn't go on vacation some four five years.
oh and for those of you from the States.... explain to me how this is any different from Affirmative Action. I have been in the position of having to hire a lesser qualified minority while in the States in order to meet a quota. So it is done in many places - it just goes by a different name and my be more subtle in nature - but in my book a spade is a spade any way you deal it.
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Wow, nice to be so liked and well thought of. Do carry on with the generalisations.
>>>>Come on, you go on and on about generalisations.
Please enlighten us and tell us what Qataris contribute towards, well anything??????
And I'm not talking about throwing a few riyals into Charity!!
Amnesia, if you can’t handle the heat leave the building!
whoami said wow what a lovely bunch of ...
wow what a lovely bunch of people here.
Nothing more than stereotyping and racism
>> I find it amusing that you even say such a thing when racism exists on a daily basis in Doha. Before you say it, racism is worse in Doha than MOST countries.
Are we stereotyping and racist when on a daily basis we see Qataris walking around a supermarket with a malnourished maid trailing behind them?
Worse yet the maid who is FORCED to cover her head? Or getting yelled at by her master? Don’t see you criticizing that!!
How many Qataris do you see with an axe in their hand pounding at the desert to make you Qataris a nice snug home? Am I generalizing by saying that? Who in their right mind think there is anything normal about that?
Are you really suggesting that Qataris work hard in the office? In fact in any job? It is very rare so don’t start ranting about how you know of 5, no let’s say 20 Qataris you know that work hard.
Any time anyone on here makes any negative comment about Qatar you get so defensive. So what, no country is perfect, get over it.
ah DG, I find it too hard to type..am that lazy. must. go. get. maid. to. type.
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No Jass, he's serious. I've read similar from him. Charming fellow. So glad he's here in Qatar telling us how useless and lazy we all are.
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DG,
I cant imagine if the USA was judged solely on the crappy people here. What if everyone said all American's were just like Bush, YIKES! Every country is full of stupid people, but it takes an even stupider person to think everyone in the is like that.
Avid's comment is hilarious... it is a joke right?
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Wow, nice to be so liked and well thought of. Do carry on with the generalisations.
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on their country, and you said that to the local people?
Come on, pay respect to them as you wanna be respected by foreigners in your country too.
I cant imagine if hearing somebody said this (even if it is a joke) in my country, off course I'll do something to deport them lol :-P. It is purely racism and humiliation.
Wake-up, think again for how u can enjoy your live in this country. I dont think you can get whatever you earn here in your country, that's the reason why you come here, right?
Then (after you earn all of those benefits) you humiliate the locals? what a thankful person u r?
Will look around and see if I can find it.
hahahahahaha...I'm dying here. You have to post that article. If I have to stalk your online a** for eternity, I'll do it!!
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I have just been informed that all 'ex-patriates wifes' positions now must be Qatarized.
Any oppinions, husbands ?
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wow what a lovely bunch of people here.
Nothing more than stereotyping and racism
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We've been told our firm cannot apply for any more visas until we have been through 'the list' of Qataris who apparently want to work. I understand when this list (8,000 people I'm told) is somewhat diminished, MoL will consider permitting work visa apps for foreigners to resume. Everything else that has been said above, however, is ENTIRELY true in my experience. Our Qataris spend most of their time gossiping and complaining that they don't have reserved parking...
PS - Avid, nothing wrong with drinking coffee OR eating dates...
That was my point of view, but then they rarely get a piece of paper for all the time they spend in class and writing essays. ;-)
Hehehehehehe. One of my best souvenirs from Kuwait is the newspaper article that said "Students protest barring of maids from university".
I know Gumpy, I'm teaching a 20 hour course on Customer Serive :P i'll probably spend the WHOLE 20 hours trying to explain what customer service means.
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Hehehehehe. They just offered a six hour training session on how to answer the phone at work.
Seriously though, at work they started offering after hours training in the MS Office 2007 suite, who attends-the Indians, Philippinos, Syrians, Palestinians and a smattering of Westerners. The Qatari admin staff sign up, but then don't attend.
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Ninety million jobs must be created in the Middle East over the next 20 years in order to keep up with the region's booming population, the chairman of franchise giant M.H. Alshaya Company said on Sunday.
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Genesis, not to hijack the thread. But my office email signature is somewhat "fun" (like your new secretary's office email signature). DD picture (like this message) and my work number and title are my office email signature.
On to serious topics....Qatarization will largely put Qataris in non-essential positions. The real, hard will be done by expats working alongside him, even if he is earning the highest salary (lowest on the totem pole gets paid the most). There are some exceptions. Some Qatari students who I teach have moved onto real, meaningful work. But this is few and far between.
Ya, like we will ever get a Qatari admin in our office. Qatari's can't even answer the phone properly!
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This time the government is serious, they have sent out form to companies to fill with details of all support staff who are going to be replaced, the form also specifies a time frame. job title and salary details.
All support roles must be Qatarized by end of 2009, even banks stopped loans for expat. employees with salaries less than 10,000 as a result of that directive ... if you do not believe it go and check with a bank like CBQ
We just have to wait and see ....
I was having the same joke today with colleagues!They got us a new secretary , her only task so far is to accumulate & compile weekly project progress reports from all project coordinators. Her weekly reminder email is " please send the report update" in PINK! along with hearts, kisses & butterflies as her signature!!!
You're being optimistic. When an administrative professional with twenty years experience and the organizational ability to run a small army is replaced by a 19 year old girl who can't turn on the computer, much less type a memo or help organize the budget, and then when she is made "supervisor" of all the other clerical staff, all that you are going to have is a disaster.
Again, why the thinking that clerical staff is not important and that any non-trained person off of the street can do it? If it takes two years of specialized tech school training to become a secretary, then it seems to me that the thinking is poorly planned.
No, the secretarial work is being done by P.hds who spend all their time chasing down photocopier repair guys and the air conditioning maintenance people instead of what they should be doing. Not the most effective use of highly paid labour....
all round then. surely there must be something the company can do or am I being very optimistic??
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Ummm, yes we do need the positions, nothing is getting done and the collapsing has already started with all the knock on effects. The expat staff has stopped covering for the remaining Qatari admin staff and are just making sure that there is a paper trail for when it all comes crashing down. Sad, but true.
Dweller is bang on about HR though, unfortunately, when it collapses it means essential staff not getting in the country because their visas weren't processed, and other staff leaving suddenly because the work to renew the RPs weren't done.
the last point you made was what I was thinking, if the jobs are kept open but not being used then surely the company has found a way around this, therefor the jobs are no longer valid
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the "pecking" order for jobs has always been Qatari first, second was other arab and third was any other nationality.
Admin jobs (particularly HR) have always been seen as an easy Qatarisation option. It's not like an operational job where, if somebody screws up, there's often a big bang or an accident.
HR and its systems can slowly deteriorate with no apparent effect......until the system does collapse and by then it's often too late.
Enter the expats again to sort things out.
One comment. If the jobs have been vacant for so long, do you actually need the jobs?
Me too....Who is that?
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light of the subject but think it is a valid point that gumby made, if there are people willing to do the job, myself included but the positions are empty being reserved for Qatari's it seems so pointless :(
please excuse me I am at the moment mesmerised by the above signature!!!! lol
I can see it happening overnight indeed. In my organization we have four administrative positions sitting empty that have been reserved for Qataris. No one wants them, we had one woman for a while, but she quit after a month as her husband thought that it was too far for her to drive.
What silliness, we can't hire anyone to fill the positions as they are reserved for Qataris, but we can't find any Qataris willing to take the jobs, and nothing is getting done.
Why are administrative positions considered to be "unskilled" anyway? A good admin assistant is worth their weight in gold.
It could very well be true. Qatarization is a very high priority here. But with that said, saying that Qataris should fill secretarial positions and getting them to do so are two different things. A national is going to have to want the job before the job is Qatarized. I'm not sure how this would be handled so I don't see it happening overnight. I'm not sure if this refers to replacing people already in positions or for new positions opening up. One would like to think that expats will keep their job until their contract runs out at least. Also - it could be that a qualified Qatari is given first opportunity at a new position and if it isn't filled then it can be opened up to expats. In any event - it will take time to sort out.
doesn't that hurt???? Oh sorry Qatarized not catherterised, sorry my mistake ;) xx
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yes
i cant confirm, but i hope they wont qatarize cleaning jobs