QAWS & Dogs in Doha

PamH44
By PamH44

This is in response to a thread that was praising QAWS for their outstanding service to this community.

I have a few issues with the whole "Volunteer" QAWS NOT made for non-profit.

I and several other people that I know have discontinued any cash payments to QAWS because of the attitude of Bridgit and her "wanna bees". I do not donate money to the organization anymore because I was told by Bridgit that she could not be bothered to take animals for neutering across town to the municipality. She takes them to Qatar Vets and pays to have them neutered! Think of all the money that has gone to her friends at Qatar Vets, which could have been used on the new facility. I have been constantly reminded that she works full time. I have offered my services for taking the animals to the municipality to have them neutered, but never heard back from anyone at QAWS. I now have a cat trap, and take them for neutering myself and donate them to QSAW (Qatar Society for Animal Welfare, also known as the Cat Farm). I have taken several pregnant cats there, and they take very good care of them. Some have even been adopted! Expats take their dogs and cats there when they are leaving the country (instead of dumping them on the street). If they can not take them with them to their new location there is a place for them to go. A Qatari man owns this center, but I have never met him. He has a staff of hired help that are very loving to the animals. He provides a Vet for their every need. He has several animals there that are up for adoption and he does look for owners to adopt them. This is more than I can say for QAWS, as QAWS does not keep their website updated. Dogs in Doha is just another version of QAWS.

I would love to see a financial statement from QAWS! The question is "Would they report everything they have received". There is a very good reason that the government is NOT cooperating with this venture.

It is well known in this community that QAWS does very little to actually re-home these animals. They advertise at their favorite Vets office, which they say they owe lots of money to. Interesting? These are all things that could have been done for free!

I think that as long as the attitudes of the people “running” QAWS do not change, nothing else will. I have spoken to a lot of people that used to volunteer at QAWS, but were tired of the politics and attitudes of the “staff”. It would be interesting to have people sign a petition on whether they believe QAWS is doing a good job, not only on finances, but also for the care of the animals and with the money that is donated daily.

I have to wonder how much money has been taken by the lead people at QAWS. I wonder what else besides time they give to QAWS a month.

By marhaba7• 2 Jun 2010 19:29
marhaba7

Anally speaking I agree with Snowy - Birgit would never EVER do anything that is not in the interest of animals. I hear that your chum Truth 321 / 123 wotevva - has gone back to UK so if you need any advice on content, truth and spelling please dont hesitate to contact moi!

Yours anally!

Kelly rocks and Birgit boogies!

A dog is for life and not just for a Barmitzvah!

By snowyowl• 2 Jun 2010 18:58
snowyowl

Pam....I will say again. Do your f-ing homework! Birgit herself, and all other comments concur that she has not been there for over a year, never been the "head", and what words you claim she has said is totally against her nature. Again, I say you have a case of mistaken identity. I have been fostering animals for her since September so I have some understanding of what she does. And no, QAWS and dogs in doha were never the same organisation.

Do a little research (homework) on Dogs in Doha before you open your mouth again, you will save your self much embarassment.

By marhaba7• 2 Jun 2010 18:37
marhaba7

OMG - someone just referred to moi as ANAL! What does this mean? I always thought that ANAL meant retentive and yet i thought that I was overtly verbose - I am mortally wounded, distressed, mortified and errrrrrr where are those senopods?

Gin time! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Hic!

By desert_queen• 2 Jun 2010 09:00
desert_queen

Dear Pam,

Probably something happened that make you soo upset, and you forget the big picture......that we are ALL doing the best we can to help those animals, the best way we can.

I haven`t been with QAWS for over 1,5years and was NEVER the head of QAWS, I think you have me confused with Janet....and I have no clue who you are to make all these accusations...

Now if you do what you are claiming you are doing, helping cats , I applause you ....

But don`t critize us for what we are doing, as long as you never got a call that a dog is dying on the street and you have to go down to pick it up and it dies in your arms, or when you have to put it asleep.....as these are the things we (QAWS & Dogs in Doha) do when you are having your coffee after you called us .

Try that for ones....and then come back to critize us...

And what the donations concern.....go and check at the Vets, both have a file with the medical bills in it, that is open for everyone to have a look in....

And then another thing, ...you make it sound that we critize the Gov.Vet....and don`t want to take animals down there....

Well let me tell you this, ask the Vets over at the Gov.Vet how many times a week we come over there....

But they can`t provide all the medical care we need...so yes we go to the other Vets, which you call are our best friends.... Well Thank God they are ...as without them ,many animals wouldnt have survive....

And I really would like it that next time you critize any of those who are sticking their necks out to save these animals, you do it face to face as this is NOT helping the animals....

Thanks Pam and I wish you a lovely day!

Birgit

www.dogsindoha.weebly.com

By Chelsea• 2 Jun 2010 08:58
Chelsea

Truth doesn't live in Qatar now - he's gone over to the UK.

If making sure all of our animals are safe, fed, watered and healthy is being irresponsible with money then I would love to know what we were supposed to spend it on?! I tried to get a mini starbucks and a bar down there but majority vote ruled the animals needed to be fed instead!

By Rizks• 2 Jun 2010 08:51
Rizks

lol WK...

already u will find a big que of animals there...:)

By anonymous• 2 Jun 2010 08:49
anonymous

What if the animals come to know about QDC :(

By marhaba7• 2 Jun 2010 08:48
marhaba7

Just a thought but would Pammy and 123 Truth take over from you if you actually re located QAWS next to Qatar distribution? OMG! Brilliant idea!

By Chelsea• 1 Jun 2010 22:43
Chelsea

Lol - The world is obviously such a clear cut place from the bottom of an empty bottle!

By Chelsea• 1 Jun 2010 22:42
Chelsea

To be honest we're not really that bothered by all the people who sit in their armchairs at home and moan to their friends about how awful we are. For every one person who doesn't like us, we have a hundred who truly appreciate the work we, and Dogs in Doha, do. We don't appreciate people coming onto a public forum and insinuating we steal from a non-profit organisation.

What everyone seems to forget is that we are just a bunch of women helping animals because we want to. If people believe in what we do, they are more then welcome to help us by donating time or money. We don't HAVE to answer to anyone, PROVE anything or actually DO anything. We do, because we want to and because we have nothing to hide. Be thankful we are here - because without us or Dogs in Doha, there would be hundreds of animals on the streets dying.

I'd love to see what would happen if we all quit, which seems to be what you are implying we should do. Would you step up and take over? I thought not.

By marhaba7• 1 Jun 2010 22:33
marhaba7

Cummon Chelsea - she was at Qatar distribution! She just cant remember!

By marhaba7• 1 Jun 2010 22:23
marhaba7

I just noticed that you are really a careing sharing Lady bountifull of our community and that you graciously GIVE - so i profusely apologise if I have given the impression that you are anything but that. Got any Gin spare?

By marhaba7• 1 Jun 2010 22:23
marhaba7

I just noticed that you are really a careing sharing Lady bountifull of our community and that you graciously GIVE - so i profusely apologise if I have given the impression that you are anything but that. Got any Gin spare?

By marhaba7• 1 Jun 2010 22:10
marhaba7

For goodness sake woman - STOP drinking! Its affecting your brain - small though it probably always was - what happened to your Binge partner Truth 123 - passed out already? Its never a good idea to put your thoughts on a laptop when u r clearly unclearly thinking..... you have ZERO idea of what you are talking about Babe - I am a friend of both QAWS and Birgit and as far as I am concerned BOTH do as much as they can to rescue animals. Stop talking Bollox woman and you GET A LIFE !

A Pet is for life not just for Easter.

Jim! OMG there I go again - not hiding behind a Nom de Plume! So why are all the Babes on QL on this thread not following suit?

By anonymous• 1 Jun 2010 22:07
anonymous

Sure :)

By PamH44• 1 Jun 2010 22:06
PamH44

Right back at you dude!

By PamH44• 1 Jun 2010 22:02
PamH44

I know that QAWS & Dogs in Doha are two different entities that help animals in Doha. There were several months that it seemed that they were the same organization, or sister organizations. But now I can see that they are two different entities.

I was at the QAWS Shelter when I spoke with Birgit in November and she was showing me around. Nothing at all was mentioned about Dogs in Doha. I asked where was the most volunteer work needed and she told me walking dogs and spending time with cats.

I can completely understand that the committee does not have time to run cats to and from the shelter to the municipality, but I offered many times to do this myself and was told "no, we do not do that".

I want to help these animals just as much as QAWS does. However, I am not going to work with a group of people that are going to snipe at me either. I volunteered for the animals, not for the people. I brought food many times to QAWS and have donated thousands of QRs. You should be aware that there are many people in Doha, that talk about how irresponsible QAWS are with their donated money. Did you know that?

I am not interested in starting my own shelter, however, I am interested in getting as many cats off the streets as possible. I have earned the trust of many cats (by way of their stomach) and taken them to the municipality and had them neutered. After they recover, I try to find them a home. I have a constant flow of cats that show up at my door. I am surrounded by construction (as is everybody in Doha). These cats come straight from the construction area to my back door.

I'm sorry if I offended you, with my post. In the future, I will keep my thoughts to myself.

Regards, Pam

By nomerci• 1 Jun 2010 21:53
nomerci

Pam, I am not defending QAWS. I have no first hand knowledge about QAWS.

I do know about DOGS in Doha though, two very different entities. All I did was state a fact. Other than that I have absolutely no interest in this thread.

By PamH44• 1 Jun 2010 21:36
PamH44

Are you as dumb as you seem?

Oh, I'm sorry.... that may be an accusation!

What I think is odd is that all of you posters are trying to defend Birgit, and QAWS. If all of this is so untrue, you would not need to defend it!

You really should reconnect with a dictionary. Wondering and accusing have two very different meanings.

Get a life!

By PamH44• 1 Jun 2010 21:30
PamH44

'insinuation' is not a statement, which one can be legally tried on.

By nomerci• 1 Jun 2010 21:15
nomerci

Pam, I have fostered a cat from Birgit under the DOGS in DOHA umbrella.. She had the cat neutered before it came to me. At her own expense, I want to add.

By Chelsea• 1 Jun 2010 21:06
Chelsea

Birgit has never been the "head" of QAWS. She was a committee member - over 18 months ago, and hasn't had time to visit the shelter in months.

None of the QAWS committee have time to run the animals backwards and forwards to the municipality, hence why we rely on our volunteers to do so.

You do realise that Dogs in Doha and QAWS are seperate don't you? If Birgit said anything about not taking animals to the municipality - she was refering to the Dogs in Doha dogs, and not the QAWS animals. QAWS only uses the municipality for vaccinations and cat neutering - we do not neuter dogs there.

If you spoke to Birgit in November then are you sure you were at the QAWS shelter?

By Xena• 1 Jun 2010 20:54
Xena

You really don't have any of your facts straight. As Scarlett has told you, Birgit hasn't been apart of QAWS for more than 1.5years.

I am sure you are talking about Dogs in Doha, which has NOTHING AT ALL to do with QAWS.

Again, if you read the statement Jennie78 she will tell you that she does our runs to the Ministry for our cats - are you calling her a liar? It seems like everyone else except for you seem to be lying - how odd, when we are the ones that you are talking about and we seem to have a far better grip on what actually is, as opposed to your half baked information...

In my books wondering and accusing are exactly the same thing especially when you pose it in ("I have to wonder how much money has been taken by the lead people at QAWS. I wonder what else besides time they give to QAWS a month.") this manner!

Please continue to embarress yourself with your unqualified facts!

By anonymous• 1 Jun 2010 20:49
anonymous

Does the word 'insinuation' come to your mind?

By PamH44• 1 Jun 2010 20:46
PamH44

I did not mean to "slander" anyone. This forum is to write as you see fit. I used the word "wonder" was not meant as an accusation.

If my comments have offended anyone, I am sorry for that.

By PamH44• 1 Jun 2010 20:42
Rating: 3/5
PamH44

The first time I went to QAWS in November, I was introduced to Birgit, as the head of QAWS. I also spoke with her in January, and she was still in the same position.

So, yeah I did my "homework".

I really don't care who is running the place. I have already stated that I will not donate any money or time to this organization again. I have met over 50 other people in Doha that feel the same way.

My hat is off to the people that run QAWS. I wish them the best of luck!

By PamH44• 1 Jun 2010 20:32
PamH44

Poppy, Please note that I did not accuse anyone of anything. Is the following what you are referring to?

"I have to wonder how much money has been taken by the lead people at QAWS. I wonder what else besides time they give to QAWS a month."

Is it against the law in Qatar to wonder about things that happen here? I don't think so!

By PamH44• 1 Jun 2010 20:21
PamH44

Mandilulur - They need as many as they can get!

By PamH44• 1 Jun 2010 20:17
PamH44

QAWS bringing cats to the municipality for neutering? LOL! That is a new development.

I called you back in January and you told me that "No volunteers had time to bring pets to the municipality". I also spoke with Bridgit in December about this, and she told me "I can not be bothered with driving across town to have pets neutered".

By Xena• 1 Jun 2010 12:41
Rating: 4/5
Xena

Alma, maybe you should come down to the farm and meet some of QAWS long term residents who have all been there for longer than a year...

Thor - 3 years (was rehomed and didn't adapt well)

Holly - 1.5 years

Max - 1 year

Lindy - 1 year

Wobble - 1 year

Jack 1.5 years

Linus 2 years

Wacky - on and off for last 3 years (was rescued by us from his owners when they wanted to euthanise him and his friend Delilah because they were leaving the country)Delilah is now in a loving home!

Thats just some of them....

As you can see, we don't euthanise animals who are with us and even if they have adjustment problems, we believe the right owner will come along - so they will be with us as long as it takes to rehome them...

Can you now get off your "no kill" shelter rant?

By Chelsea• 1 Jun 2010 09:17
Rating: 2/5
Chelsea

If you read the steps on how to be a No Kill shelter - it's impossible in this country.

1. Send animals out to breed rescue groups. So the shelter passes it's problem on to other rescue groups that already have too many animals as it is. There are no other rescue groups in Qatar other then the ones that are already full to the brim.

2. Foster Care. We have as many animals out in foster care as we can, but living as expats, everyone travels a lot and no-one can guarentee to foster them indefinitely.

3. TNR & Low Cost Neutering. Both offered by the ministry, but due to religion, a lot of owners refuse to neuter their animals.

5. Offering medical treatment. No Kill shelters will refuse to accept anything that is severely injured, sick or aggressive. They have the luxury of picking and choosing what they take in and will send all the others to a Kill shelter.

If we had the luxury of picking and choosing who we took, huge facilities, our own vet and a huge foster network - we could be a No-Kill shelter.

As it is, we're a Low Kill shelter. We only euthanise when it's in the best interest of the animal and it's always a hard decision to make. We never euthanise due to a lack of space.

By alma wad• 1 Jun 2010 07:11
alma wad

I am sincerely happy to learn that .

By alma wad• 1 Jun 2010 07:09
alma wad

So do you claim that you kill only terminally ill pets ?

The fire was due to an electrical fault in a fuse box. Within 15 minutes of the fire starting, over 100 animals had been safely evacuated and the fire services were there.

Thank you -that was the simple information that I wished to know .And i could not find it though I read lots of articles .

And it could have been answered without calling me names by other QAW supporters !

By alma wad• 1 Jun 2010 07:04
alma wad

I do not know what I would do . That is why I am not thinking of opening a shelter .If the only alternative I could offer is putting them down .

But if ever I open a shelter then I would educate myself on how to reform unsociable animals .

There are ways to that .And see the lists of No kill shelters in the US .There are so many where they succeed .

By marhaba7• 31 May 2010 19:03
marhaba7

Mwah mwah! I was in the Betty Ford Clinic wher they were weaning me off Gordons - I am far better now and back in the thick of things. Anyway, I like Blue Sapphire so much more...................hic! Gin time! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

By Mandilulur• 31 May 2010 16:54
Mandilulur

Marhabtain, you are back as marhaba7? That's wonderful, dear, we've missed you dreadfully!

Mandi

By Olive• 31 May 2010 12:43
Olive

Alma, I've been to QAWS many times and I've seen them caring for many many sick animals. One of my own that I got from there came from a litter that was very sick several of the kittens lost their eyesight because of it. Many places would have simply put that litter down, QAWS didn't. They paid for the medicine and nursed those kittens back to health so that when I came a long a few months later there was my girly, blind in one eye but otherwise a happy, healthy cat. They didn't even ask me to pay the vet bills for her! (I donated as much as I could anyway, but that's not the point). I've never seen or heard of QAWS putting down an animal if it still had a chance.

By Chelsea• 31 May 2010 09:13
Chelsea

Do you have the money and space to house all the animals that are so severely injured in car accidents that they would need to be kept sedated 24 hours a day to relieve their pain? We have cats that have such bad injuries from car accidents and have lost so much blood that they are barely conscious. What would you do? Leave it there to die slowly over the next few hours? Or give it one injection to stop it's suffering?

Or as Snowyowl and Fairy both said - aggressive dogs whose only life will be sitting in a 2m x 1m cage with no human interaction for the next 10 years? Most dogs in that situation would start to hurt themselves - some have even been known to chew off their tails.

Do a search on the fire - there were dozens of newspaper articles, magazine articles, threads on QL, we had a whole QAWS website dedicated to the fire for several months.... The fire was due to an electrical fault in a fuse box. Within 15 minutes of the fire starting, over 100 animals had been safely evacuated and the fire services were there. We had literally hundreds of people come down over the afternoon to help move the animals, catch any cats that were running around the farm and basically do anything they could to help. The new dog shelter is being built from concrete but you can never guarentee something won't happen again. Just a few months after our fire, a rescue shelter in Kuwait burnt down and they had a brick built facility.

By snowyowl• 31 May 2010 08:49
snowyowl

alma....just a question. What would you do if you were at the only shelter and a large abused dog was brought in, with a history of attacking, no one wants it and no one could go near it and the only way to feed it is by throwing food in its kennel. Are you seriously telling me that you would re-home that dog? That could in all possibility be around kids???

And while you are deciding what to do, 6 more dogs have been brought in and you have absolutely no room to house them.

I am sure any real world advice would be welcomed.

By alma wad• 31 May 2010 08:08
alma wad

read more about no killing policies

http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

By alma wad• 31 May 2010 07:28
alma wad

say that any facility that says they will put animals down simply because you won't give money, is wrong. (alma..please correct me if I am wrong!)

yes scarlett - yes you are right that is what I meant .

I do not know anybody from your pet clubs and i am not interested in your personal fights . i am speaking about the theory of pet protection .

killing animals for any reason is not pet protection

just try to think this way " If I were a cat "

I know well that it is widely accepted to kill animals in different shelters all over the world . I simply think that is a wrong conception .

If you have to accept any animals for public safety issues then these are not the pets whom you serve .If you kill animals because they are deemed to be dangerous/sick/etc. then it is human protection and not pet protection ...

By alma wad• 31 May 2010 07:12
alma wad

If we accept euthanasia for our pets then the next step is to accept it for our relatives ..

I am totally against it .

By alma wad• 31 May 2010 07:08
alma wad

I do not like when animals are killed .

Despise me for that .

I had some questions about the fire . I did not get answers . At least a link .

By marhaba7• 31 May 2010 06:32
marhaba7

In Washington the Ritz Carlton opens its ballroom every year for the ' Bark Ball ' which raises cash for local rescue organisations! Apparently the dogs dress up in Bow Ties for the boys and gowns for the girls! It could only happen in Americac but it is actually true. The Ritz Rocks!

By marhaba7• 31 May 2010 06:27
marhaba7

May I say how lovely you are looking today! Hic! Gin Time! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

By marhaba7• 30 May 2010 19:51
marhaba7

I have had recent experience in both camps and whilst i have a lot of admiration for what both organisations do - I do have a couple of comments that I hope will be taken as positive rather than critical.

Dogs in Doha

I seem to be operating a sort of satelite home for our four legged friends - all thanks to the Birgit. I now have 6 plus a load of cardboard cut outs of dogs that I whip out when i know she is visiting. She was overheard telling a friend of mine that bunk beds for mutts would be rather useful in my garden flat! Seriously, Birgit has a heart of gold and would do anything for the animals.

Qaws

I always say that you are your own worst enemy and you know why. Its that old chestnut - accountability! Be open to your friends and believe me they will all support you again and again. Your update / photos of the new build is exactly what people need to see - it looks really great okay! Accusatons of dishonesty are only made by people who are ill informed.

Point 2 involves your Leader - can you get her some PR training as often she really does come across as the Cruella De Ville of the Qatar Awful Witches Association.QAWS. Okay I was being faecetious before but there is some truth in that believe me. Perception is very important as is Accountablity.

As for you Pam - you are possibly a friend of fellow mis informed Truth 123 who also writes incredible mis guided bilge. I wish that you both get what is surely coming to both of you - in bucket loads. Got any buckets spare Kelly or Birgit? Preferabely full ones?

Sincerely!

Jim Oakes

Chairman - Barking in Doha Association.

Futtocks End Resort for Dogs and the bewildered.

West Bay

OMG - I gave away my nom de plume! Pam and Truth - etes vous? Oh okay - when you sober up then will be nice.

By marhaba7• 30 May 2010 18:17
Rating: 4/5
marhaba7

Has anyone noticed that Pam put her post up at 12.30 and although there has but much return comment she hasnt answered anyone as yet. I suspect that she is quite possibly a lunchtime drinker who, having enjoyed a liquid lunch, has passed out on her chaise longue. Please, if you are a friend of Pam could you pint (!) her in the direction of Alcoholics anonymous or perhaps the Betty Ford Clinic in the USA - she might like that as I heard she is a portly American Lady and they speak the same language as she does.

A dog is for life not just for Eid.

By Xena• 30 May 2010 15:38
Xena

but I do feel I should point out....

PamH44... Due to you clear inability to get your facts straight, all you have succeeded in doing is making yourself look bad.

Well Done!

Thank you though... you have brought out the QAWS supporters in full force - even ones we thought had forgotten us:-)

See, no matter how much it might look like we are pulling in different directions - in the end, we unite to fight for the rights of those who cannot speak for themselves.

By Scarlett• 30 May 2010 15:37
Scarlett

I believe alma wad meant well in her first post, but it was worded wrong. Perhaps English isn't her first language...that can lead to many misunderstandings. From my reading of her post, it seems she meant to say that any facility that says they will put animals down simply because you won't give money, is wrong. (alma..please correct me if I am wrong!)

IF, you go to the government vet's office, ASK them how many cats they see on a regular basis that have been hit by cars, poisoned but survived(such as they are left alive), etc. Sometimes it IS kinder to put some animals to sleep because the quality of their lives would be horrendous if left to live in the condition they are.

Cost is also one of the main factors as well as available space. Have you SEEN the amount of stray cats and dogs here in Doha? Have you read in the newspapers the sheer number of dogs that have been SHOT in some cities because they were loose? ...the last two cases I read about in the Arabic newspaper were 40 in one town and 30 in another one..and the last case was very close to Villagio.

Do YOU have space and money for all those animals? I am most CERTAINLY NOT advocating killing animals simply because they are loose, but just pointing out the magnitude of the problem of strays here in Qatar. Just to have a facility that could house all dogs and cats permanently would have to be the size of a small town...and the cost would be mind boggling!

There is at the moment, NO "no kill" facilites in Doha..unless you count Birgit's house as one because she has 5 dogs that she has rescued over her years here in the Middle East!

By Scarlett• 30 May 2010 15:19
Rating: 4/5
Scarlett

If you are who I think you are, then you should have called me and asked who and what was going on. Dogs in Doha is definitely NOT the same as QAWS.

Dogs in Doha is from Birgit and is a "no facility" dog rescue. She works with foster homes ONLY! ALL funds are directly put into the Dogs in Doha file at two different veterinary clinics and any surgery, medication, boarding, vaccinations, etc, are deducted directly from that file. If someone wishes to make a donation, they are directed to either vet to apply it to the file. When there is space in either the States or Europe, some Salukis are flown out of Qatar to be rehomed in forever homes. That is another factor of Dogs in Doha that has been amazingly brilliant! Some of that money comes from Birgit's own pocket..that I know for FACT! So far, there have been 3 dogs that have gone to the States, myself and my husband accompanied them. Just knowing they were going somewhere that appreciates dogs, can make your day!

As SnowyOwl said..Birgit does not work full time for a paycheck. She DOES however, work full time with Dogs In Doha and having seen her, and the stress of rescuing animals in need, basically on her own (she has finally gotten some volunteers to help), the toll isn't just fiancial on her..its emotional. So before you go and mix things up, check all your facts so that you can get them straight.

Birgit, along with myself, used to work for QAWS, but that was over a year ago, and the parting was due to many reasons. There is no animosity between either unit, but the money from Dogs in Doha DOES NOT GO TO QAWS, as was said in the above paragraph.

There are several reasons that the govt vet isn't used, but again, here is not the place to go into that. If you have questions, feel free to ask in PM...

Also...as far as your comment that expats do not leave their pets on the streets when they leave...BEG TO DIFFER IMMENSELY! I, personally have taken calls from expats that were leaving the next day..oh yeah...darn it, forgot I had a dog/cat...Yes, some of the locals can be guilty of dropping animals on the streets when they aren't wanted, but please do not limit your finger pointing to just them. Others deserve credit where it is due as well! Case in point...one couple BROUGHT 2 golden retriever puppies with them (both 4 months old), they stayed here in Doha for 4 years..then LEFT the dogs here when they returned home!!!! How's that for being an expat with a conscience?

By anonymous• 30 May 2010 15:14
anonymous

and 'am wondering about the possible motives. Looks like some member at QAWS pissed you off real bad. Blame them for mismanagement if you will. But people like me and thousands others will understand the stress each one of them goes through in taking care of so many destitute animals. From what I understand,there are couple of pending issues to tackle within QAWS but this cannot deny them the credit for the excellent work they have been doing tirelessly.

Your insinuation of embezzlement/theft is despicable and I support QAWS in their decision to take legal action if possible.

By Jennie78• 30 May 2010 15:06
Jennie78

Hey all,

just thought I'd vouch for the QAWS guys in regards to the use of the municipal vet at the Department for Animal Resources. I'm a regular volunteer and fosterer at QAWS who mostly deals with the cats. I do regular trips to the muni vet each week with the QAWS cats and kittens for vaccinations. I also take cats in for spaying/neutering.

For those interested I've done a basic photo essay on the services at the municipal vet:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=428803&id=715560514&saved

(NB the muni vet is very basic and there are risks in comparison to using your normal vet)

QAWS is always keen on having an extra hand with taking the animals to the vets, so they'd welcome any assistance.

Thanks

Jennie

By MikaylasMom• 30 May 2010 15:05
MikaylasMom

alma wad, you should do a search for the QAWS fire before insinuating that someone might have set fire to the cat house just to get rid of the cats. It was an accident. You are a cold and heartless woman and that is all I have to say.

By Olive• 30 May 2010 14:54
Olive

2 of my cats come from QAWS and I can't say anything but good things about them. I really don't understand how anyone can have a beef with people that are obviously just trying to help out. PamH, if you think you can do a better job saving the cats in Doha then by all means, do it.

By catweasel• 30 May 2010 14:51
Rating: 2/5
catweasel

So does Pam44 have the guts to meet the QAWS commitee face to face? I doubt it as it is very easy to stand accusing behind your QL name and never reveal who you are.

Accusations you have made are unforgiving.

Mmmm 'cat farm' or AC'd building before cosy house to live in...???

If Pam44 has all the answers to rescue in Qatar then make a stand and create your OWN shelter I am sure the ladies of QAWS and Dogs in Doha would love the relief it will give them 24 hours a day. You will never know what it is to dedicate (and yes more than time and a lot of their sanity dealing with this sort of rubbish!) until you stepped up and took the challenge! Neutering a few cats at the Animal Resources dep is far from what it's really like!

Don't let this get you down QAWS and Dogs in Doha continue to work together for you know you are all angels doing good work.x

By anonymous• 30 May 2010 14:49
anonymous

PamH get a life

By snowyowl• 30 May 2010 14:47
Rating: 3/5
snowyowl

Pam...after re-reading your post, I really believe you have a case of mistaken identity. Birgit does not work full time....current members of QAWS do however and Birgit is not a member a QAWS. Her full time job is rehoming dogs. She does very very little, if anything with the cats. She does have page on her website for people who have a cat and wish to advertise re-homing them. And if you monitor her website...www.dogsindoha.weebly.com you will see that it is updated at least weekly.

Before you put things in print, do make sure you have the correct facts.

By Alumnar• 30 May 2010 14:24
Alumnar

You are entitled to have an opinion, but slander is a totally different story. I do hope those people who are 'accusing' QAWS get contacted by solicitors, that is what they deserve!!!

By snowyowl• 30 May 2010 14:23
snowyowl

PamH44....do your homework before you type. Birgit has not been part of QAWS for quite a while now...they are SEPERATE entities who's paths cross as they are in the same feild...helping animals. Birgit does not have a shelter.

And as to no kill shelters. Did you know that those shelter picks which animals come to them? They have the luxury of refusing to take on an animal as they know other shelters will take them. Think about it...how many shelters are here? And the supply really does heavily out weigh the demand.

By Fairy_99• 30 May 2010 13:58
Rating: 4/5
Fairy_99

To AlmaWad: Personally I think "No Kill" shelters are inhumane. I would rather a shelter euthanises a cat with a broken back and put it out of it's suffering then leave it unable to move and in immense amounts of pain. The same with a dog that has half it's face missing because of a car accident. I would hate to go to a "shelter" and see rows of animals that will never be rehomed because they are so ill or because they bite people. I don't think it's fair for an animal to spend it's entire life cooped up in a little kennel because it's so aggressive it can't even go out for a walk.

I don't think I've ever seen it written anywhere about QAWS threatening to kill animals unless people give them money. Where did you see that?

By Mandilulur• 30 May 2010 13:50
Mandilulur

Sorry, Chelsea, I meant my question to be directed to Pam. As far as I'm concerned, all people and organizations involved in helping these creatures of God are angels!

Mandi

By Poppy• 30 May 2010 13:39
Poppy

Please note your public "insinuation" that the QAWS committee "have taken money" has now been passed to a solicitor for discussion on legal action.

I WILL NOT have any one of us slandered.........Say what you like but do not accuse us of theft!

By Chelsea• 30 May 2010 13:38
Chelsea

... Actually I think there's a need for another 2 or 3 groups to try and cope with the number of animals that need help!

By Chelsea• 30 May 2010 13:37
Rating: 4/5
Chelsea

There are actually 3 seperate groups - QAWS, QSAW & Dogs in Doha but we all communicate and work together to get as many animals off the street as possible. We all have different strengths and try to get them to compliment each other.

By alma wad• 30 May 2010 13:37
alma wad

For me the fact that those pets whom they collected had burnt alive is something horrifying .I never read about the details . How was it supervised ? What caused the fire ? What is the guarantee that it will not happen again ?

Those cats would have been much happier without them .I really care about the pets and I think it is still better to live as a stray cat than being killed for this or that reason .

Anyhow - I never support any pet shelter unless they are "NO KILL" centers .

When I read at any place " we have to kill them unless you send money or adopt" - I always think that these are concentrating camps and not shelters .

Is there any No Kill shelter in Qatar ?

By Mandilulur• 30 May 2010 13:32
Mandilulur

Don't you think there's a need for more than one organization for animal welfare in Doha?

Mandi

By Chelsea• 30 May 2010 13:26
Rating: 4/5
Chelsea

For your information QAWS uses the municipality for free vaccinations and for neutering cats however we do NOT neuter dogs there as we have had very bad experiences in the past.

NB: QSAW has contacted QAWS this week to take on all 200 animals as they can no longer cope and we are working with them to try and solve their problems.

By Rizks• 30 May 2010 12:35
Rizks

All i have to say is QAWS are doing a wonderful job and Hats off to their hardwork in managing and looking after for the Pets and animals. Keep it up Friends !!

By the way, why do u need a Financial statement from QAWS ? Are you some officer or frm Income Tax ?

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