I heard Qataris are racist especially towards foreigners who are not white/caucasian and regardless of whether one is Muslim or not. Is this true? How bad is it? How do people deal with it?
We had a good New Year celebration last night with our new friends MIXED NATIONALITIES Asians wives and British, Dutch husbands and all are very genuine, sweet and polite. Thanks to our QATARI friend who is surprisingly, unbelievably, amazingly friendly and treat everybody as his own brothers and sisters. I can't believe until now that a high ranking official mixed with us last night in a very sweet and friendly way! also the host couple Indonesian woman and Dutch guy are very welcoming and extra friendly people the wife is such a pretty amazing cook, the husband is very entertaining, our kids had a good time playing with their kids as well. Lovely New Years eve. I HOPE ALL OF YOU HAD A GOOD TIME LAST NIGHT TOO!.
I do not think that Qatari people are racist at all. They have been very helpful to me everywhere I go. In the desert they were very welcoming one of the guys just introduce himself which was very nice. At the Souq area and at the coffee shops etc.
I having more problem about diff nationality though who also wears the black gowns (Abayah) one of the lady literally run me over at the counter of the shop trying to cut in without even excusing herself. I end up with bruises. I do not know her nationality but from my observation she has a very dark skin so maybe somewhere from Africa. This is not the first time it happened to me.
Well, I beg to differ, but will not elaborate further, I have already been called naive and inexperienced in life, so there.
To answer Singleguy's question...
I agree with Genesis, discrimination is more of a proper word to describe what goes on in the Gulf, including Qatar. People will normally be discriminated based on their nationality (ie chinese women or other asian will regularly be approached as prostitutes, nepalese will not be allowed to enter certain places and so on).
After three years here, this is how I see it...If you visualise "races" from one to ten, then Qataris would be the number one, the masters who can abuse their power at times (although not all do that) by sending the police to kick you out of your home or by keeping your passport as an employer amongst other things. Then you would have the "westeners" (Gosh how I hate this term!) who enjoy a comfortable lifestyle and often get the best paid jobs and somewhat a better treatment. As you move down the spectrum, you would see the labour force from the subcontinent and other parts of asia who have no rights at all and are often living in really miserable conditions.
THere is also discrimination against people who practice religions other than the one's "by the book", ie, it's against the law for buddist or hindus to practice their religion in public, or so I hear.
YOu will notice, upon your arrival in DOha, that almost everyone you meet wants to know where you are coming from. And after a few weeks here you will want to know where everyone else is from.
As someone said before, come test the waters, I think that as a british engineer you will face little discrimination here.
is absolutely a thing of the past in India. But in a nation of one billion, there might be a hand full of villages where it is still practised but it is not a norm for a vast majority of the nation.
Riyapatel, I see you've been taking a lot of heat all on your own... :-)
It is unfair to interpret indians liking for fairer skin as racism. Most Indians equate fairer skin with beauty, the same way that in the West, Blonde hair or Blue eyes is equated to beauty. Indians do not equate fair skin with higher intellect or social status, it is only aesthetics...
Everyone needs to understand that racism is not about the colour of the skin, it is about RACE. The dictionary definition of 'Racism' is 'a belief that RACE is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.'
Indian's liking for fair skin has nothing to do with race. Even within the same family, if out of two sisters, one is darker skinned, she may be considered to be less beautiful and therefore it may be more difficult for her to get an alliance as good as say her own sister.
I am the first to admit that it is an unhealthy social practise, but it is technically not racism. Let me take another example from the West, obese women in the West are found to have lower probabilities of marriage, it is sad, but one cannot call it racism can we?
The desire for white skin is more of a beauty thing rather than a racism thing..white skin long back would have been a racist thing but not anymore..it is regarded more as a beauty thing now..
omar,'prevalent' caste system existed long back..castes still exist in India as it is a way of life..
"I am an Indian and we did have a caste system long back not anymore coz of education and people working out of the country..."
You contradict yourself. First you say the caste system no longer exists in India and later on you say it does! ????
Also, in India - a Hindu country, the 150 million+ Muslims are treated as second class citizens who face discrimination in all aspects of life. How do you explain that?
so what comes in newspapers is false you mean to say?
A person not allowed to take his rightful position because of his being a dalit in TamilNadu,
dalits killed in Bihar for not listening to the landowners,
A student in a premier medical institute died because of the negligence of the doctors working there and no action taken against them even though an ivestigation proved that it was he case.
If this is not racism at its worst what do you say?
is a way of life..nobody gets denied in India coz of their caste ..as a matter of fact it gives them reservations now..so cant say it is unfair..coz the government is doing something for their upgradation..
Racism is everywhere, in every size, shape and color. Yes we can't change the entire world, but maybe we make a small difference somewhere somehow.So less talk and more action is what we need. Talking about how racist some people are is not going to change it.
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong :P - Garfield
I said Indians love for being fair has nothing to do with racism..they want to be fairer in color...
and Dalits are a caste who were regarded as untouchables before...the caste like brahmins,dalits etc still exist but untouchability has been eradicated...
for ur kind info.a) untouchability was eradicated longgggggggg back. in which century are u living??u should read up on history and daily newspapers..and I dont understand how ur shoe story has any relevance now.
b)and u should understand that Indians love for skin color has nothing to do with racism..
and ur conclusion has absolutely nothing with what we are discussing now.
and talking about the pakistahni love story ,since u put it forward ,let me ask about the english love for scots and irish...
None was accusing you of being racist. ...Cana I have one of your "Shmakh". I will spend a whole day as Qatari , and see if I'll behave as a racist or if others will treat me differently :D
I am an Indian and we did have a caste system long back not anymore coz of education and people working out of the country...and i dont think people from our country have any racist attitude now......
This statemnt made by singleguy has made me think whether Qataris are Racist....even I had bad experiences with Qataris on the road but have never attributed it to racism but rather human nature.....now iam wondering whether it is becoz of racism??
Mystica, I believe the expression is 'sticking your head in the sand'. I was using Butterfly's turn of phrase.
It means avoiding dealing with what is going on around you. I think it comes from the behaviour of ostriches who, when faced with attack, stick their heads in the sand.
Definitely not me..I got way too big a mouth and way too many opinions for that :)
Butterfly, the original post had 'I heard Qataris are racist' as the first five words. My opinion is that the statement is untrue. Some may be, but all are not. You clearly have a different opinion.
Like I have said before, I am the first to admit that my country is not perfect. I am an activist in my country about things which I think are wrong and could be developed in a better way. So it is wrong of you to say that I am hiding my head under the sand. I most certainly am not.
Although it is not officially mentioned it does - you see it with many posts on QL and often the racist ideas do not come from the West but mainly within the Middles East and Asian countries.
However, it does not help to have a chip on the shoulder it means move on and try to solve the problem.
It in no way helps to post this on QL, best thing is to convince people we are all visitors to the world (no one has the monopoly of the Human Race) and racism is definately not from Qatar but from the many populations living in Qatar.
I wish it would go away and it will only go away if we all try to live in harmony side by side.
In fact we are all ambassadors of our countries and should behave accordingly.
The pessimist in person - chip on the shoulder showing again, if you check out the posts above racism exists in all parts of the world - your comment is so feeble just as if water had to helped out of the tap.
Most of the countries outside the middle east have laws gaurding the rights of people against racism. Sadly enough Qatar and the rest of Middle East has yet to accept that Racism exists in their countries, which I dont believe they ever will, let alone comes up with laws against racism.
Most people who share racist opinion and act accordingly would vigorously deny they are racists or even accept that it exists. Existence of racism is a prerequisite for fighting racism.
Back again and as usual attacking the wrong people. Do you think for one minute racism is bound to one country - hell no, racism does exist and we all know that it does. Don't blame Qatar and in fact don't blame any country - much of the racism comes from the lack of international understanding and lack of education.
Stand back and take a look at yourself and your comments about DG - you have no idea about her, you don't know her personally and you don't knowwhat she stands for. The same goes for PM you have a steady range of insults for them.
Where do you take this right and what motivates the chip on your shoulder, QL is a joint community put into life by a Qatari to help join cultures and cultural problems.
I work in an office with 10 different nationalities - we don't have any of this kind of talk in the office, quite the opposite - we all work as a team and with Qataris some of wh are extremely compassionate with co-workers. So don't attack people/races if you don't know what you are talking about.
You missed my point completely. Sorry because I may not have expressed it clearly.
I didn't mean to say that ALL qataris are racist as individuals, you or your immediate family and others may or may not be racist, that's not the point. What I meant is that Qatari is a society that promotes racism and discrimination, examples of that are countless, and based on that one can assume that Qataris are racist.
YOu may have encountered racism in UK by certain individuals, but the british society, as a whole, encourages equality and punishes discrimination. No one is above the law and the practices that I described are downright ILEGAL in the countries that you have named, whilst here, apparently they aren't, they are common practices with the law.
Exit visas? Preventing workers from certain nationalities to enter malls and other places? Preventing bussinessmen from running and owning their bussiness? I can go on and on. And whilst you and others hide their heads under the sand, and claim not to judge based in generalisations, nothing will change. Not that I care, because my bags are packed... I'm just exposing my point of view.
I’d say education and exposure to different cultures, people of different languages and orientation, enable one to face cultural shocks, be less uptight, more flexible, and able to coexist.
does it RED_POPE? And, anyways what does being a terrorist mean? Just because someone does not follow what you follow and you have greater power, you cant force them. They are bound to oppose you. What do you think the older empires called the freedom fighters? Please dont take my words as a justification of the actions of terrorists. You have a viewpoint and so do I.
If you have noticed, education makes a lot of difference in the people of any country. In my experience, any person, be it indian, arab, british, american,etc, if they are educated, they learn to respect others. You only need to be rash to someone else if you think that the other perosn is superior to you as you need to use your brawns to subjucate them rather than your brains, so the best method is to learn humility and that can be attained by knowing that you are just a small dot in the universe.
I wud say.. locals who are financially below average are the ones who may look like racist to you... But the locals from middle class and above are decent and are very friendly...
Should we ask the secret mirror inside my Confession Booth for a second opinion.. Mirror, Mirror, confess the truth of the Physical and mental beauty of PM..?
J/k
Nothing personal, I'm just trying to lure into my Confession Booth...
raceism in tomatoes also now my o my whats going to happen to this world now. well bengali doesnt wash the or clean them where as those near Qatari or me they do clean them. :D so 1 riyal for their washing service :D
Personal attacks PM-- now now, isn’t that against QL policies-- may have to report you!!
I have no respect for people like you who discriminate against other and pretend to be so Saintly. Continue to mock me; I encourage it as its obvious it makes you feel better about yourself. You just cant answer those tough questions can you?
Wallah, Muhammed12, it is nothing less than my duty to help and support humankind if I have the ability. It is an honour and a priviledge for me to be able to do this. Alhamdullilah.
Muhammed12, philanthropic issues are those that further the cause of humanity. For example, building schools in areas where children have no access to education.
Your like 60 right PM? How sad you have nothing better to do besides discrimate agaisnt others and make a mockery out of them.
Did your poor imaginary friends run to you with private messages asking you to come on QL and stand up to the big, bad QL Queens of Mean?
>>Actually they did. You love trying to make others look like fools dont you PM? Never answered that question of mine about the widowed father down at the corniche- why is that?
ROFL...Renee! Do you read what you write? You know nothing about my life or my working life. If you did, you would know that my life is dedicated to philanthropic issues. I spend the majority of my professional life on human rights issues, in Qatar and internationally. Not once have I said that things are perfect in Qatar. But I am not an armchair critic. I acually spend time on changing people's lives for the better. The 'silver spoon' that you mentioned frees me from having to earn a living and so enables me to devote my time to philanthropic causes and to raise money for them too.
My issue on this thread is to do with generalising and racism. I have contributed to this thread in hopefully a helpful and positive manner. I have not launched a personal attack on anyone, unlike you. Please refrain from commenting on my life, which you know absolutely nothing about.
I had already opened this topic before......By the way i was even ridiculed by PM for having gone against the Qatari locals behavior.
>> Unfortunately mir PM likes to ridule anyone who goes against her beliefs. Yes she is very intelligent and plays this card quite well on QL.
And frankly, I am more than a little tired of everyone crying racism over every litlle thing that happens.
PM
>>No one is telling you to post on QL. If you don’t like what you read move on and join a thread where you have something valuable to add.
BTW, here is a women who discriminates against labor workers, saying they don’t have the right to enjoy EID at the Corniche- lucky for her she has a husband/ What about all those poor souls who don’t have anyone in Doha? How can anyone take you seriously?
Diamindgirl
But that does not make all Qataris racist. And that does not mean that all Qataris do wrong.
I have worked in including US, UK, Spain, France and Italy
>>How can you comment when you are fed a silver spoon? Life may be easy for you Diamondgirl, and you can carry on about generalizing as much as you want, but life is hell for many in Qatar and unfortunately they do suffer from racism and discrimination. Just look around you next time you step away from those diamonds.
Rant and rave as much as you like about all these countries you have lived in and how bad it is, but the ONE HUGE difference and even you with your silver spoon cannot deny, is the locals get away with murder.
They admit it, so why can’t you?
You come across as the naïve one when it comes to these issues in Qatar, while many Qataris I know quite well are disgusted with the way things are. Why is that?
I guess they are the Qataris that want changes made instead of you who comes up with excuses and argues that everyone is ‘generalizing’ when you don’t like what they have to say.
Live a day in laborers shoes before you start talking about ‘generalizing’.
Singleguy, frank discussions are always welcome here. However when they start with a question 'I heard Qataris are racist especially towards foreigners who are not white/caucasian and regardless of whether one is Muslim or not. Is this true? How bad is it? How do people deal with it?' it is going to provoke such reactions.
The implication in the question is that you heard that ALL Qataris are racist. This is untrue. At the last count there are about 200 000 Qataris. No-one can say that they are all racist. Undoubtably some are. I can categorically say that not ALL Qataris are racist. I am not. My husband is not. My children are not. My parents and siblings are not. My friends are not. So definitely not ALL of us!
I have lived in the UK and encountered some racism (f*** off home you murdering Arab b*st*rd being one example). However I am not of the opinion that ALL British citizens are racist.
Generalisations are dangerous. Perhaps you were unaware that you were making one.
I wish you well when you come to Qatar if you choose to do so :)
Hey, to all those having a go at me for raising the issue, I'm just looking for clarification on the situation having heard such things from many people here in the UK. I'm not passing any judgments, just looking to find out what the relity is. Apologies if I have offended anyone for trying to have a frank discussion here.
If I was Red or Pink would you hate more or love me dearly?
Do you think all Qatar nationals meet your racial profiling?
Judge the character of a person and his actions, not the race or religion...
Singleguy
Why do you ask something like that? Do you feel Inferior and low cast?
Come over and lets discuss in my confession booth, your concepts of racial profiling in the 21 century. I'll guarantee you, When we are done, your mind and your way of thinking will change 100 percent. Unless you are just a moron from planet moronic hopeless...
Wallah Darude...but someone addressed me and I did not agree with the statement that Qataris are racists. While I have no doubt that some are, to generalise about the whole nation is wrong and incorrect.
Butterfly, a little flawed, your words...to quote two of your phrases...
'I think no one is trying to say that Qataris are racist per se'
and your words that contradict that...
'It is sad, but yes, I think Qataris are racists'
I have no doubt that some people are racists in every country of the world.
I have no doubt that things happen in every country of the world that are wrong.
But that does not make all Qataris racist. And that does not mean that all Qataris do wrong. That would be generalising. There is always error in generalisation. Generalisations about entire nations of people usually come from racists and serve no purpose other than to promote racism.
If you think that things like a landlord changing the locks and rendering one homeless and employers keeping employees passports are unthinkable in Europe and are only particular to the Middle East, then you are either naieve or inexperienced in life. Whilst I do not agree with these practices and do not do that to tenants or employees, it is a fact that this is happening in every country I have worked in including US, UK, Spain, France and Italy. However that does not make me think that all the people of these nations are racists or that all the people of these countries are doing wrong. That would be generalising and we know where that can lead...
It is a simple Game of Life...ifyou dont like someone giving you crap...give it back to them if you think it is worth the risk or else...walk away...
Stop crying so much people, seriously QL is getting way too boring for this s h i t everyday - day in - day out...
Come on get a life...the weather is cold out there, catch up for a coffee in this nice weather...a hot coffee...rather than sitting and whining like cry babies in front of your computers...
Discrimination is there in any god damn part of the world, it is your choice whether you want to be a part of that or not...
Cheers...seriously, you are making nice people as well go crazy...
I too am prohibited from marrying a western or filipina or any gal whom i like and who is from a decent background cuz of the myths and other fallacies being fed into the mind on the basis of excessive reliance on religion or should i say not being a racist but due to psycological issues concerning other races......but religion to some extent has to be relied upon....The other party has to be aware of the differing cultures and make accordingly the necessary compromises......else the purpose is defeated.....
I would lie to myself if i deny that it exist. 15 years ago there was discrimination among Qataris. Arab tribe, Bedouin, persian,Yemenite, afro qataris weren't all treated alike (or let's say didn't have the same chances). Now, things are changing gradually.Qataris are integrating socially . I think with proper education and awareness , within the next decade more people will realize that some attitudes are not acceptable in a civilized society. With People like DG around , I'm determined that this will happen
Hi, i am a qatari guy who is from a well known family and have studied in the US and i got recently my Master's degree in system info.
i know how it feels there in the US and UK and in europe, how they treat others but we have an arabic say : who ever leaves his land or his country he would be considered as a second level whatever u all say it is true.
We r not raciest here, i have a philipino girl friend and i wish if i could marry her but it is not allowed..... we r not raciest
I think no one is trying to say that Qataris are racist per se. But as a qatari, you may want to admit that the way things work in your country put expats in a delicate position where their rights can easily be abused by their hosts. This can be seen as qataris enjoying superiority over other races, and hence it would lead one to assume that Qatar is in fact a place where racism is not punished at all, but just commonly accepted and part of the qatari way of life.
I'm not saying that qatari are more or less racist than, say europeans...Lets just say than in europe certain "abuses" are presecuted and punished,for expample, there it is unthinkable that my landlord would break into my flat, kick me out and change the locks, or it is unthinkable that sponsors would keep employees passports, whilst here, qataris get away with it and much more.
It is sad, but yes, I think Qataris are racists, simply because nothing is done to fight racism and abuse in their country.
I agree with mir partially... it is a fact that nationalities get paid differently. The extreme case of this was when a friend of mine, a doctor changed his nationality to Canadian from Pakistani and instantly his salary was almost doubled... Same person, same qualification... more money... hmmm...
When I went to school, it was normal to think of Russians as horrible Communists who were planning to invade Europe, take away our freedom and start World War Three. I have now been happily married to a lovely Russian lady for twelve years.
When my wife and I lived in Kenya, we were very impressed by the vitality, joy, friendliness, patience, honesty and good humour of nearly all of the ordinary Kenyans we met. What a contrast it was to go back to England and meet cold, boring, selfish, xenophobic, workaholic Brits!
On the subject of Qatar and racist Qataris, all I can say is that people in glass houses should not throw stones. Are the thousands of Poles currently flooding into the U.K. being welcomed with kindness and friendliness? I doubt it.
When someone blocks the progress of another due to prejudice in terms of color of the skin and other psychological factors its called racism.......
In the US too there are instances of racism: like the blacks slam against the whites, the ridicule of the asians in several places of the US,...
So it exists everywhere..... Does one use religion to overcome racism? or Even in places like Qatar there is racism where the western expats are paid twice the amount of salaries and pay hikes vis a vis the asian expats?
Back in India as i mentioned before they depict white females in milk and other dance numbers , the educated person in all the matrimonials prefers or goes in for the first preference being white females.....
Thats again racism..... Psychological no matter how much the third world countries use religion or depend on religion but their racist mentalities cant be shielded....Also in the arab world or places like bahrain there are ongoing clashes between the Shias and sunnis which happens even in India like the so called caste system.....
I had already opened this topic before......By the way i was even ridiculed by PM for having gone against the Qatari locals behavior.
Also, one more thing QL is becoming boring...... The pay for foreigners out here is exhorbitantly huge visavis the Indians irrespective of the efforts put in by the Indians......and other asian communities....
agrees to that. An accident / any prob out there, the arabs are the first to help...but when it comes to differentiating between ppl...the racist mentality still remains...probably its all my fault ; ama kind of a racist and see em' all so.
If you excuse me one thing I've noticed with any other Arabs nationalities (apart from the terrorist of course!) they are very calm and not as aggressive as any other nationalities and they only response aggressiveness if you show your attitude towards them! otherwise I don't see them angry like other people. like for example even when they meet an accident on the road they get out of the car shake hands and kiss cheek to cheek voila! no shouting and fighting involve! very good attitude!
ppl, don't start bashing up on single guy now...what single guy said is true...even though a 'good mentality' is to say that nobody is a racist. In another thread, by Dancing_Tiger...the only sad thing he found about Qatar is that the locals did not treat the Hindi community and Caucasian com. equally.
I will say it again, the day I landed here in Qatar, I really like it here. at the airport the Immigration Staffs are very friendly. The next following day we went for a medical, Female Qatari Staff assisted me sweetly and even called me sister. And now we lived here for a year or so, never had any troubles with them more likely other nationalities (no need to mention). So how dare you to judge them that they are racist by just hearing it from other people? What the hell you worry about for?
Just wondering when and where u met this group? While drinking your guiness inside the bar? or on your way out?
I know I know people will say that am trying to make fire from the hashes. but yes I have met some locals too and ended at my place drinking.
As the topic says RACISM, Sorry singleguy but racism is everywhere. back in my country there is no racism (Colour of your skin) But there is a lot of Society Racism. where you live, how much you make a year, which car you drive, your last name and blah blah blah.
In Europe the colour of your skin is a big problem, not anymore in US, but some places still have some problems with that.
The truth I (personally) believe in is that we come from Adam and Eve. Humanity unites us all. Any other consideration will divide us and cause a rift and deep unfixable crack.
In the end, the creation theory is not a concern of mine. Some believe we were microbes or chimpanzee….etc. I resent that, but never fought against it! If in the end we’re united, who cares if I were a fly! (Yuk)
A heart of a dying person on a small unknown island can re-live in another's body at the other end of plant earth! My blood may be now running in the veins of someone, I don't even know!
One land grows plants, of the same seeds under the same temperature and other standardized conditions, yet the plants are not identical in color, health, life cycle, growth…etc!
We come in different colors, languages, shapes, beliefs, but we're all from the same mold. We're one despite diversity! and that's beautiful.
Jeez I moved here on my own with no expectations and I like it. Take a chance and if you can't then stay cocooned and be happy in your limited universe. There is no judgment other than your own an if you are feeling that uncertain then maybe try a different/slightly more liberal country first.
I recalled your name, and I think you have been worrying unnecessarily since your thread a few weeks ago!
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/50969
Hey - just get to Qatar and test the water. If you think it will be too hot or too cool I guess you have heard from lots of other QLers on here to help you make your decision 'as a Muslim who likes a night life'
Just a point of view. I am a white single woman in Qatar and I went out tonight to cure my Cold with Guiness (as prescribed by my welsh father) and met a Qatari man and his group of friends.
Ok so I am a caucasian female, that really doesnt mean that much here when you think about it. However the "locals" which included women enveloped me into their group and were so friendly and took me on to another party were pretty much some of the best people I have met in Qatar. So personally i am bigging up the Qataris I have met although not tarring all with this star studded brush.
My advice is to keep an open mind and meet people from all over the world because you never know who your new best friend will be ;-)
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It's great to be loved!
I do not think that Qatari people are racist at all. They have been very helpful to me everywhere I go. In the desert they were very welcoming one of the guys just introduce himself which was very nice. At the Souq area and at the coffee shops etc.
I having more problem about diff nationality though who also wears the black gowns (Abayah) one of the lady literally run me over at the counter of the shop trying to cut in without even excusing herself. I end up with bruises. I do not know her nationality but from my observation she has a very dark skin so maybe somewhere from Africa. This is not the first time it happened to me.
if what you heard is what you believe then stay where you are
Qatar does has a caste system and racism is also rife in Qatar. You just need to open your eyes to see it.
"If an allegation to the contrary was for the purpose of spreading misinformation it will serve as an opportunity to dispel the myth"
WHAT IS THE REALTIONSHIP OF CAST SOCIETY AND RACISM?
Is the native population of Qatar lives a cast or tribal society?
For what I understand that there is rich people by name and heritage, rich people by personal effort and education.
For what I understand there is Poor people by nature, poorest people for lack of education and pure ignorance...
Don't tell me, If we do not live our lives of a cast society? Suffering racism and prejudice because of our color of the skin or family name?
I rather judge an individual by his character and level of education, instead of his golden spoon or silver lining...
Unfortunately it does not work like that most of the time.
The Red Pope of Qatar Living
Asakum min awada Wolfie. Not partying tonight?
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Love is the answer...
so nice of you ya ya ya what hmm ya shaikha ok works
Kulo 3am wa enti bekhair ya hmm shaikha
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Dimondgirl.
Thank you.
Butterfly, I have obviously upset you with my words and for that I apologise.
It was not my intention to offend.
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Well, I beg to differ, but will not elaborate further, I have already been called naive and inexperienced in life, so there.
To answer Singleguy's question...
I agree with Genesis, discrimination is more of a proper word to describe what goes on in the Gulf, including Qatar. People will normally be discriminated based on their nationality (ie chinese women or other asian will regularly be approached as prostitutes, nepalese will not be allowed to enter certain places and so on).
After three years here, this is how I see it...If you visualise "races" from one to ten, then Qataris would be the number one, the masters who can abuse their power at times (although not all do that) by sending the police to kick you out of your home or by keeping your passport as an employer amongst other things. Then you would have the "westeners" (Gosh how I hate this term!) who enjoy a comfortable lifestyle and often get the best paid jobs and somewhat a better treatment. As you move down the spectrum, you would see the labour force from the subcontinent and other parts of asia who have no rights at all and are often living in really miserable conditions.
THere is also discrimination against people who practice religions other than the one's "by the book", ie, it's against the law for buddist or hindus to practice their religion in public, or so I hear.
YOu will notice, upon your arrival in DOha, that almost everyone you meet wants to know where you are coming from. And after a few weeks here you will want to know where everyone else is from.
As someone said before, come test the waters, I think that as a british engineer you will face little discrimination here.
is absolutely a thing of the past in India. But in a nation of one billion, there might be a hand full of villages where it is still practised but it is not a norm for a vast majority of the nation.
Riyapatel, I see you've been taking a lot of heat all on your own... :-)
It is unfair to interpret indians liking for fairer skin as racism. Most Indians equate fairer skin with beauty, the same way that in the West, Blonde hair or Blue eyes is equated to beauty. Indians do not equate fair skin with higher intellect or social status, it is only aesthetics...
Everyone needs to understand that racism is not about the colour of the skin, it is about RACE. The dictionary definition of 'Racism' is 'a belief that RACE is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.'
Indian's liking for fair skin has nothing to do with race. Even within the same family, if out of two sisters, one is darker skinned, she may be considered to be less beautiful and therefore it may be more difficult for her to get an alliance as good as say her own sister.
I am the first to admit that it is an unhealthy social practise, but it is technically not racism. Let me take another example from the West, obese women in the West are found to have lower probabilities of marriage, it is sad, but one cannot call it racism can we?
The desire for white skin is more of a beauty thing rather than a racism thing..white skin long back would have been a racist thing but not anymore..it is regarded more as a beauty thing now..
omar,'prevalent' caste system existed long back..castes still exist in India as it is a way of life..
"I am an Indian and we did have a caste system long back not anymore coz of education and people working out of the country..."
You contradict yourself. First you say the caste system no longer exists in India and later on you say it does! ????
Also, in India - a Hindu country, the 150 million+ Muslims are treated as second class citizens who face discrimination in all aspects of life. How do you explain that?
riya you seem to be living in some other India.
so what comes in newspapers is false you mean to say?
A person not allowed to take his rightful position because of his being a dalit in TamilNadu,
dalits killed in Bihar for not listening to the landowners,
A student in a premier medical institute died because of the negligence of the doctors working there and no action taken against them even though an ivestigation proved that it was he case.
If this is not racism at its worst what do you say?
is a way of life..nobody gets denied in India coz of their caste ..as a matter of fact it gives them reservations now..so cant say it is unfair..coz the government is doing something for their upgradation..
Exactly it is everywhere but the problem won't be solved if people deny it exists.
Surely the caste system isn't fair.
the whites have a love for tanned skin...they do everything for a tan..that is why i said except for the whites.
the whites have a love for tanned skin...they do everything for a tan..that is why i said except for the whites.
'people anywhere except for whites have a love for fairer skin'
u mean wites luv darker skn? dey not luv der wite color? but 'if you don't love your skin colour you can't love your self'
Racism is everywhere, in every size, shape and color. Yes we can't change the entire world, but maybe we make a small difference somewhere somehow.So less talk and more action is what we need. Talking about how racist some people are is not going to change it.
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I said 'untouchability 'is eradicated not castes...people in India are frm different caste...
people anywhere except for whites have a love for fairer skin and that doesnt make them a non lover of themselves..
so u r a scot and u dont know that there is a love problem within ur group itself..
Strange... if the caste system was eradicated why do I keep reading about the treatment of the Dalits in the news.
and if you don't love your skin colour you can't love your self.
Actually i was brought up in Scotland. Love it.
I said Indians love for being fair has nothing to do with racism..they want to be fairer in color...
and Dalits are a caste who were regarded as untouchables before...the caste like brahmins,dalits etc still exist but untouchability has been eradicated...
for ur kind info.a) untouchability was eradicated longgggggggg back. in which century are u living??u should read up on history and daily newspapers..and I dont understand how ur shoe story has any relevance now.
b)and u should understand that Indians love for skin color has nothing to do with racism..
and ur conclusion has absolutely nothing with what we are discussing now.
and talking about the pakistahni love story ,since u put it forward ,let me ask about the english love for scots and irish...
Wow thats great no racism in india...
a) why do you have untouchables? with poor little kids brought up to believe they are not good enough to wear shoes or walk on someones shadow?
b) why is there the obessession with skin colour evident in matrimonial adverts and skin creams?
Conclusion
How can you love other races when you don't love yourselves?
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Please tell the Pakistanis that you love them so much.
amnesia lol
None was accusing you of being racist. ...Cana I have one of your "Shmakh". I will spend a whole day as Qatari , and see if I'll behave as a racist or if others will treat me differently :D
Some are Wise ... Some are ...Otherwise
I am an Indian and we did have a caste system long back not anymore coz of education and people working out of the country...and i dont think people from our country have any racist attitude now......
RiyaPatel your profile says you are Qatari....
Now if your not... than your country (where ever that maybe be) must have the perfect social system with no racism...
gosh you should educate us all!
This statemnt made by singleguy has made me think whether Qataris are Racist....even I had bad experiences with Qataris on the road but have never attributed it to racism but rather human nature.....now iam wondering whether it is becoz of racism??
I'm not racist and I'm Qatari ^_^
Most of my friends are East Asian.
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You got a point there, Mystica :) I might try shutting up a bit more in certain instances. Don't hold your breath...I said TRY! lol
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I'm just asking DG and she's just explaining it to me!
We're just chatting okey?
It's great to be loved!
hiding your head in the sand, in other words avoiding the problem, sometimes is good. I never entertained problems, I let the problems entertained me!
After all, I just regards racist people are more likely to be disturbed so why argue with them?
It's great to be loved!
If an allegation to the contrary was for the purpose of spreading misinformation it will serve as an opportunity to dispel the myth otherwise.....
Mystica - Got in to the world famous debate again:)
it comes from the behavior of ostriches who, when faced with attack, stick their heads in the sand.
Oh! men, that's not a good thing! so when the lions attacks them their arses get eaten first!
Well, most Qatari we encountered, don't actually behave like that. They are more likely happy to help to solve your problem. That's why
It's great to be loved!
Mystica, I believe the expression is 'sticking your head in the sand'. I was using Butterfly's turn of phrase.
It means avoiding dealing with what is going on around you. I think it comes from the behaviour of ostriches who, when faced with attack, stick their heads in the sand.
Definitely not me..I got way too big a mouth and way too many opinions for that :)
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What's the meaning of that? strange expressions!
It's great to be loved!
Butterfly, the original post had 'I heard Qataris are racist' as the first five words. My opinion is that the statement is untrue. Some may be, but all are not. You clearly have a different opinion.
Like I have said before, I am the first to admit that my country is not perfect. I am an activist in my country about things which I think are wrong and could be developed in a better way. So it is wrong of you to say that I am hiding my head under the sand. I most certainly am not.
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Although it is not officially mentioned it does - you see it with many posts on QL and often the racist ideas do not come from the West but mainly within the Middles East and Asian countries.
However, it does not help to have a chip on the shoulder it means move on and try to solve the problem.
It in no way helps to post this on QL, best thing is to convince people we are all visitors to the world (no one has the monopoly of the Human Race) and racism is definately not from Qatar but from the many populations living in Qatar.
I wish it would go away and it will only go away if we all try to live in harmony side by side.
In fact we are all ambassadors of our countries and should behave accordingly.
Kindly read my posts again to clear your mind of misconceptions.
Racism exists everywhere and most of those places have laws against racism as they have accepted racism exists and have laws against racism.
Qatar believes that it does not has racism within its boundaries and therefore it does not has laws against racism.
Hope I am clear
The pessimist in person - chip on the shoulder showing again, if you check out the posts above racism exists in all parts of the world - your comment is so feeble just as if water had to helped out of the tap.
Most of the countries outside the middle east have laws gaurding the rights of people against racism. Sadly enough Qatar and the rest of Middle East has yet to accept that Racism exists in their countries, which I dont believe they ever will, let alone comes up with laws against racism.
Most people who share racist opinion and act accordingly would vigorously deny they are racists or even accept that it exists. Existence of racism is a prerequisite for fighting racism.
Back again and as usual attacking the wrong people. Do you think for one minute racism is bound to one country - hell no, racism does exist and we all know that it does. Don't blame Qatar and in fact don't blame any country - much of the racism comes from the lack of international understanding and lack of education.
Stand back and take a look at yourself and your comments about DG - you have no idea about her, you don't know her personally and you don't knowwhat she stands for. The same goes for PM you have a steady range of insults for them.
Where do you take this right and what motivates the chip on your shoulder, QL is a joint community put into life by a Qatari to help join cultures and cultural problems.
I work in an office with 10 different nationalities - we don't have any of this kind of talk in the office, quite the opposite - we all work as a team and with Qataris some of wh are extremely compassionate with co-workers. So don't attack people/races if you don't know what you are talking about.
You missed my point completely. Sorry because I may not have expressed it clearly.
I didn't mean to say that ALL qataris are racist as individuals, you or your immediate family and others may or may not be racist, that's not the point. What I meant is that Qatari is a society that promotes racism and discrimination, examples of that are countless, and based on that one can assume that Qataris are racist.
YOu may have encountered racism in UK by certain individuals, but the british society, as a whole, encourages equality and punishes discrimination. No one is above the law and the practices that I described are downright ILEGAL in the countries that you have named, whilst here, apparently they aren't, they are common practices with the law.
Exit visas? Preventing workers from certain nationalities to enter malls and other places? Preventing bussinessmen from running and owning their bussiness? I can go on and on. And whilst you and others hide their heads under the sand, and claim not to judge based in generalisations, nothing will change. Not that I care, because my bags are packed... I'm just exposing my point of view.
(Don't take it as a personal attack)
Discrimination is there in any god damn part of the world, it is your choice whether you want to be a part of that or not...
Cheers...seriously, you are making nice people as well go crazy
Given the choice nobody wants to be subject to discrimination.....
I’d say education and exposure to different cultures, people of different languages and orientation, enable one to face cultural shocks, be less uptight, more flexible, and able to coexist.
Salaam
does it RED_POPE? And, anyways what does being a terrorist mean? Just because someone does not follow what you follow and you have greater power, you cant force them. They are bound to oppose you. What do you think the older empires called the freedom fighters? Please dont take my words as a justification of the actions of terrorists. You have a viewpoint and so do I.
Hello,
This thing you heard is far way from true.
At the same time the best terrorist are the educated ones or from prestigious educated families...
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If you have noticed, education makes a lot of difference in the people of any country. In my experience, any person, be it indian, arab, british, american,etc, if they are educated, they learn to respect others. You only need to be rash to someone else if you think that the other perosn is superior to you as you need to use your brawns to subjucate them rather than your brains, so the best method is to learn humility and that can be attained by knowing that you are just a small dot in the universe.
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sorry for the three post. i just press one.. then three came out.. geez..
i agree. but not all of them, even in low class, they are somewhat good also...
I wud say.. locals who are financially below average are the ones who may look like racist to you... But the locals from middle class and above are decent and are very friendly...
You and your dirty pathetic nasty booth useless the other day a girl came to confess and when she saw those rubbers she run away :?
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Excellent, clever and strategic replied.
Mrs. PM
Should we ask the secret mirror inside my Confession Booth for a second opinion.. Mirror, Mirror, confess the truth of the Physical and mental beauty of PM..?
J/k
Nothing personal, I'm just trying to lure into my Confession Booth...
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no those chicken are demanding high price for their work lying eggs for you in this winter thats why their price per egg is going way up. :D
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I managed to buy a tray of eggs from our compound for 36 Q.R. only!
It's great to be loved!
WOW..u have farm...where is it?
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I'm sorry Professor, but I'm homing into your comment.
"I think you are a fraud -- down to your imaginary friends -- so I'll stop before I start acting as ugly as you"
My question to you PM, Are you that Ugly?
I'M LAUGHING, ALL BY MYSELF IMAGINING YOUR FACIAL EXPRESSION....lol
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ehhe. i though you are refering to me because i saw my name.. sorry my mistake.. lol. (but use another word instead..) :)
also, eggs have racism now. egg from _ _ _ _ and _ _ _ _ have egg quarantines.. tsk tsk. now we got expensive egg for 1QR per piece..
this is pretty damn...
yea in those trucks coming from syria leb fully loaded with fruits at my farm only strawberries are available nothing more than that.
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i think 4.5
u know any place where we can get fresh jackfruit
not all qataris.. and don't generalize all.. all country has bad sheep.. so some in qatar are bad sheep but not all ot it.
(i have many qatari friends which is kind and very easy to approach.)
raceism in tomatoes also now my o my whats going to happen to this world now. well bengali doesnt wash the or clean them where as those near Qatari or me they do clean them. :D so 1 riyal for their washing service :D
ok so whats the price per kilo of banana :P
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i think 4 riyal
and it depends on where u live
if u live near bengalis, price is 3
if u live near qataris, price is 4
i dont know y :)
cmon lets hail every QLers ;)
have anything better to talk about??????
OK let me ask you whats the kilo rate of tomatoes now adays /:D
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Let's hail PM!!
yes it is and therefore i hail u :)
Personal attacks PM-- now now, isn’t that against QL policies-- may have to report you!!
I have no respect for people like you who discriminate against other and pretend to be so Saintly. Continue to mock me; I encourage it as its obvious it makes you feel better about yourself. You just cant answer those tough questions can you?
Wallah, Muhammed12, it is nothing less than my duty to help and support humankind if I have the ability. It is an honour and a priviledge for me to be able to do this. Alhamdullilah.
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hee hee... that was nice...
then hail u !!
You can mock me as you please PM- have you noticed that you pick up on certain thing I write, but NEVER answer the question I put forward to you?
Muhammed12, philanthropic issues are those that further the cause of humanity. For example, building schools in areas where children have no access to education.
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Your like 60 right PM? How sad you have nothing better to do besides discrimate agaisnt others and make a mockery out of them.
Did your poor imaginary friends run to you with private messages asking you to come on QL and stand up to the big, bad QL Queens of Mean?
>>Actually they did. You love trying to make others look like fools dont you PM? Never answered that question of mine about the widowed father down at the corniche- why is that?
Where did you get that term troll from PM?
Tempers flaring...go listen to this song people. Should ease things..
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what is philantrophic issues?
Well maybe if you stopped telling everyone that they are 'generalising' because you don't like what they have to say, I wouldnt have to.
I have not launched a personal attack on anyone, unlike you.
>>yes you have but I can't be bothered pulling these threads out right now- will do so another time :D
Live a day in laborers shoes before you start talking about ‘generalizing’.
So when are we starting that You and Me :D
leave the rest bless them
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ROFL...Renee! Do you read what you write? You know nothing about my life or my working life. If you did, you would know that my life is dedicated to philanthropic issues. I spend the majority of my professional life on human rights issues, in Qatar and internationally. Not once have I said that things are perfect in Qatar. But I am not an armchair critic. I acually spend time on changing people's lives for the better. The 'silver spoon' that you mentioned frees me from having to earn a living and so enables me to devote my time to philanthropic causes and to raise money for them too.
My issue on this thread is to do with generalising and racism. I have contributed to this thread in hopefully a helpful and positive manner. I have not launched a personal attack on anyone, unlike you. Please refrain from commenting on my life, which you know absolutely nothing about.
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When did I say that Qataris are evil PM?? Please, enlighten me. I have many Qatari friends BTW!!
hail u !
mir
I had already opened this topic before......By the way i was even ridiculed by PM for having gone against the Qatari locals behavior.
>> Unfortunately mir PM likes to ridule anyone who goes against her beliefs. Yes she is very intelligent and plays this card quite well on QL.
And frankly, I am more than a little tired of everyone crying racism over every litlle thing that happens.
PM
>>No one is telling you to post on QL. If you don’t like what you read move on and join a thread where you have something valuable to add.
BTW, here is a women who discriminates against labor workers, saying they don’t have the right to enjoy EID at the Corniche- lucky for her she has a husband/ What about all those poor souls who don’t have anyone in Doha? How can anyone take you seriously?
Diamindgirl
But that does not make all Qataris racist. And that does not mean that all Qataris do wrong.
I have worked in including US, UK, Spain, France and Italy
>>How can you comment when you are fed a silver spoon? Life may be easy for you Diamondgirl, and you can carry on about generalizing as much as you want, but life is hell for many in Qatar and unfortunately they do suffer from racism and discrimination. Just look around you next time you step away from those diamonds.
Rant and rave as much as you like about all these countries you have lived in and how bad it is, but the ONE HUGE difference and even you with your silver spoon cannot deny, is the locals get away with murder.
They admit it, so why can’t you?
You come across as the naïve one when it comes to these issues in Qatar, while many Qataris I know quite well are disgusted with the way things are. Why is that?
I guess they are the Qataris that want changes made instead of you who comes up with excuses and argues that everyone is ‘generalizing’ when you don’t like what they have to say.
Live a day in laborers shoes before you start talking about ‘generalizing’.
Singleguy, frank discussions are always welcome here. However when they start with a question 'I heard Qataris are racist especially towards foreigners who are not white/caucasian and regardless of whether one is Muslim or not. Is this true? How bad is it? How do people deal with it?' it is going to provoke such reactions.
The implication in the question is that you heard that ALL Qataris are racist. This is untrue. At the last count there are about 200 000 Qataris. No-one can say that they are all racist. Undoubtably some are. I can categorically say that not ALL Qataris are racist. I am not. My husband is not. My children are not. My parents and siblings are not. My friends are not. So definitely not ALL of us!
I have lived in the UK and encountered some racism (f*** off home you murdering Arab b*st*rd being one example). However I am not of the opinion that ALL British citizens are racist.
Generalisations are dangerous. Perhaps you were unaware that you were making one.
I wish you well when you come to Qatar if you choose to do so :)
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Allah Haayeeyaaa
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Darude, down boy...schloik is a typo...schloanik is a question...having read your reply I can see that you are doing fine, feisty as ever ;)
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Hey, to all those having a go at me for raising the issue, I'm just looking for clarification on the situation having heard such things from many people here in the UK. I'm not passing any judgments, just looking to find out what the relity is. Apologies if I have offended anyone for trying to have a frank discussion here.
whats shcloik?? oh you mean shlonak :D tamam bekhair Alhamdulillah
Akhbarich!!shlonich!! Asach tayeeba amorich tayeeba.
damn sitting with those Marri i will be a budawi one day :P
and yea Kulo am wa enti bekhair ya Almass
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If I was Red or Pink would you hate more or love me dearly?
Do you think all Qatar nationals meet your racial profiling?
Judge the character of a person and his actions, not the race or religion...
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Why do you ask something like that? Do you feel Inferior and low cast?
Come over and lets discuss in my confession booth, your concepts of racial profiling in the 21 century. I'll guarantee you, When we are done, your mind and your way of thinking will change 100 percent. Unless you are just a moron from planet moronic hopeless...
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Wallah Darude...but someone addressed me and I did not agree with the statement that Qataris are racists. While I have no doubt that some are, to generalise about the whole nation is wrong and incorrect.
Schloik?...Shimsowee? Kul aam wa int bkhair...
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Tire yourself.
And guys a group of few with attitude doesnt symbolize the whole nation so stop. even you have such thorn in ur countries
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Butterfly, a little flawed, your words...to quote two of your phrases...
'I think no one is trying to say that Qataris are racist per se'
and your words that contradict that...
'It is sad, but yes, I think Qataris are racists'
I have no doubt that some people are racists in every country of the world.
I have no doubt that things happen in every country of the world that are wrong.
But that does not make all Qataris racist. And that does not mean that all Qataris do wrong. That would be generalising. There is always error in generalisation. Generalisations about entire nations of people usually come from racists and serve no purpose other than to promote racism.
If you think that things like a landlord changing the locks and rendering one homeless and employers keeping employees passports are unthinkable in Europe and are only particular to the Middle East, then you are either naieve or inexperienced in life. Whilst I do not agree with these practices and do not do that to tenants or employees, it is a fact that this is happening in every country I have worked in including US, UK, Spain, France and Italy. However that does not make me think that all the people of these nations are racists or that all the people of these countries are doing wrong. That would be generalising and we know where that can lead...
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why are all of you crying so much...
It is a simple Game of Life...ifyou dont like someone giving you crap...give it back to them if you think it is worth the risk or else...walk away...
Stop crying so much people, seriously QL is getting way too boring for this s h i t everyday - day in - day out...
Come on get a life...the weather is cold out there, catch up for a coffee in this nice weather...a hot coffee...rather than sitting and whining like cry babies in front of your computers...
Discrimination is there in any god damn part of the world, it is your choice whether you want to be a part of that or not...
Cheers...seriously, you are making nice people as well go crazy...
Get off it...take it easy...
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I too am prohibited from marrying a western or filipina or any gal whom i like and who is from a decent background cuz of the myths and other fallacies being fed into the mind on the basis of excessive reliance on religion or should i say not being a racist but due to psycological issues concerning other races......but religion to some extent has to be relied upon....The other party has to be aware of the differing cultures and make accordingly the necessary compromises......else the purpose is defeated.....
remember da song 'imagine' by jon lenon? z gud 2 hear now
Well if u can't marry the girl because she's Filipino, isn't that being racist ?
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong :P - Garfield
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Discrimination is more proper word then racism.
I would lie to myself if i deny that it exist. 15 years ago there was discrimination among Qataris. Arab tribe, Bedouin, persian,Yemenite, afro qataris weren't all treated alike (or let's say didn't have the same chances). Now, things are changing gradually.Qataris are integrating socially . I think with proper education and awareness , within the next decade more people will realize that some attitudes are not acceptable in a civilized society. With People like DG around , I'm determined that this will happen
Hi, i am a qatari guy who is from a well known family and have studied in the US and i got recently my Master's degree in system info.
i know how it feels there in the US and UK and in europe, how they treat others but we have an arabic say : who ever leaves his land or his country he would be considered as a second level whatever u all say it is true.
We r not raciest here, i have a philipino girl friend and i wish if i could marry her but it is not allowed..... we r not raciest
I think no one is trying to say that Qataris are racist per se. But as a qatari, you may want to admit that the way things work in your country put expats in a delicate position where their rights can easily be abused by their hosts. This can be seen as qataris enjoying superiority over other races, and hence it would lead one to assume that Qatar is in fact a place where racism is not punished at all, but just commonly accepted and part of the qatari way of life.
I'm not saying that qatari are more or less racist than, say europeans...Lets just say than in europe certain "abuses" are presecuted and punished,for expample, there it is unthinkable that my landlord would break into my flat, kick me out and change the locks, or it is unthinkable that sponsors would keep employees passports, whilst here, qataris get away with it and much more.
It is sad, but yes, I think Qataris are racists, simply because nothing is done to fight racism and abuse in their country.
lets merely call it 'discrimination based on nationalities' then
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Qataris Like themself only even we are arab and muslim but they don't like us also
I am from Qatar and I am not racist. It is better not to generalise and pose questions about entire nations of people.
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I agree with mir partially... it is a fact that nationalities get paid differently. The extreme case of this was when a friend of mine, a doctor changed his nationality to Canadian from Pakistani and instantly his salary was almost doubled... Same person, same qualification... more money... hmmm...
When I went to school, it was normal to think of Russians as horrible Communists who were planning to invade Europe, take away our freedom and start World War Three. I have now been happily married to a lovely Russian lady for twelve years.
When my wife and I lived in Kenya, we were very impressed by the vitality, joy, friendliness, patience, honesty and good humour of nearly all of the ordinary Kenyans we met. What a contrast it was to go back to England and meet cold, boring, selfish, xenophobic, workaholic Brits!
On the subject of Qatar and racist Qataris, all I can say is that people in glass houses should not throw stones. Are the thousands of Poles currently flooding into the U.K. being welcomed with kindness and friendliness? I doubt it.
When someone blocks the progress of another due to prejudice in terms of color of the skin and other psychological factors its called racism.......
In the US too there are instances of racism: like the blacks slam against the whites, the ridicule of the asians in several places of the US,...
So it exists everywhere..... Does one use religion to overcome racism? or Even in places like Qatar there is racism where the western expats are paid twice the amount of salaries and pay hikes vis a vis the asian expats?
The existence of racism is widely denied across cultures as people are too afraid to see their true self in the mirror.
Most people who share racist opinion and act accordingly would vigorously deny they are racists or even accept that it exists.
Acknolwedgment of racism is a prerequisite to overcoming it, though it is not a gurantee.
Back in India as i mentioned before they depict white females in milk and other dance numbers , the educated person in all the matrimonials prefers or goes in for the first preference being white females.....
Thats again racism..... Psychological no matter how much the third world countries use religion or depend on religion but their racist mentalities cant be shielded....Also in the arab world or places like bahrain there are ongoing clashes between the Shias and sunnis which happens even in India like the so called caste system.....
raciest post such kind of topics if they are being raciest that doesnt mean you react the same. you have to act the opposite.
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I had already opened this topic before......By the way i was even ridiculed by PM for having gone against the Qatari locals behavior.
Also, one more thing QL is becoming boring...... The pay for foreigners out here is exhorbitantly huge visavis the Indians irrespective of the efforts put in by the Indians......and other asian communities....
yeah! nice terror-rists.
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mybe dey r nice?!
just morning jok :-)
lol. I wonder what you mean by right terrorists, aghati.
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'one thing I've noticed with any other Arabs nationalities (apart from the terrorist of course!)....'
U not hav mixed wid da rite terorists
agrees to that. An accident / any prob out there, the arabs are the first to help...but when it comes to differentiating between ppl...the racist mentality still remains...probably its all my fault ; ama kind of a racist and see em' all so.
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If you excuse me one thing I've noticed with any other Arabs nationalities (apart from the terrorist of course!) they are very calm and not as aggressive as any other nationalities and they only response aggressiveness if you show your attitude towards them! otherwise I don't see them angry like other people. like for example even when they meet an accident on the road they get out of the car shake hands and kiss cheek to cheek voila! no shouting and fighting involve! very good attitude!
It's great to be loved!
ppl, don't start bashing up on single guy now...what single guy said is true...even though a 'good mentality' is to say that nobody is a racist. In another thread, by Dancing_Tiger...the only sad thing he found about Qatar is that the locals did not treat the Hindi community and Caucasian com. equally.
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I will say it again, the day I landed here in Qatar, I really like it here. at the airport the Immigration Staffs are very friendly. The next following day we went for a medical, Female Qatari Staff assisted me sweetly and even called me sister. And now we lived here for a year or so, never had any troubles with them more likely other nationalities (no need to mention). So how dare you to judge them that they are racist by just hearing it from other people? What the hell you worry about for?
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Just wondering when and where u met this group? While drinking your guiness inside the bar? or on your way out?
I know I know people will say that am trying to make fire from the hashes. but yes I have met some locals too and ended at my place drinking.
As the topic says RACISM, Sorry singleguy but racism is everywhere. back in my country there is no racism (Colour of your skin) But there is a lot of Society Racism. where you live, how much you make a year, which car you drive, your last name and blah blah blah.
In Europe the colour of your skin is a big problem, not anymore in US, but some places still have some problems with that.
South Africa???
As you see its everywhere!
The Venezuelan Sensation!!!
The truth I (personally) believe in is that we come from Adam and Eve. Humanity unites us all. Any other consideration will divide us and cause a rift and deep unfixable crack.
In the end, the creation theory is not a concern of mine. Some believe we were microbes or chimpanzee….etc. I resent that, but never fought against it! If in the end we’re united, who cares if I were a fly! (Yuk)
A heart of a dying person on a small unknown island can re-live in another's body at the other end of plant earth! My blood may be now running in the veins of someone, I don't even know!
One land grows plants, of the same seeds under the same temperature and other standardized conditions, yet the plants are not identical in color, health, life cycle, growth…etc!
We come in different colors, languages, shapes, beliefs, but we're all from the same mold. We're one despite diversity! and that's beautiful.
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Jeez I moved here on my own with no expectations and I like it. Take a chance and if you can't then stay cocooned and be happy in your limited universe. There is no judgment other than your own an if you are feeling that uncertain then maybe try a different/slightly more liberal country first.
Ree x
I recalled your name, and I think you have been worrying unnecessarily since your thread a few weeks ago!
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/50969
Hey - just get to Qatar and test the water. If you think it will be too hot or too cool I guess you have heard from lots of other QLers on here to help you make your decision 'as a Muslim who likes a night life'
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Hi,
Just a point of view. I am a white single woman in Qatar and I went out tonight to cure my Cold with Guiness (as prescribed by my welsh father) and met a Qatari man and his group of friends.
Ok so I am a caucasian female, that really doesnt mean that much here when you think about it. However the "locals" which included women enveloped me into their group and were so friendly and took me on to another party were pretty much some of the best people I have met in Qatar. So personally i am bigging up the Qataris I have met although not tarring all with this star studded brush.
My advice is to keep an open mind and meet people from all over the world because you never know who your new best friend will be ;-)
Peace and Love to All xxxx Nos Da xxxx Ree
from the Human race?
singleguy ... I understand your concern, and even the sensational headline, but hasn't this all been done and dusted several times before?
Do you live here in Qatar? You say 'you heard' - who from? From reading qatarliving? If so then you will have already seen a myriad of answers.
You are the one being 'racist'.