is this Rape ?

You're two are keeping eye on me? :P

I'm back!, I'm back! whew! did I miss something? :P

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i am afraid so, lol

two hours... She may have been "seduced" to death...

Anyway, it is more dangerous to be a husband (13.2 % raped by wifes) than a wife (7.2 % raped by husbands).

considering that you are faaaar more likely to be raped by someone you know rather than a total stranger... I guess it is actually safer to keep a stranger's company than that of a friend... just don't get introduced... thats all... because an acquaintance makes you 5 times more likely to get raped...

They can prove it the same way that they proved Paul McCartney never laid a hand on Heather Mills, or the way they prove lots of other claims by wives made during divorce cases aren't true, by looking at the motives for claiming it.

Also, in this case there are pictures.

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Any wife can 'claim' that she is being raped by her partner when she sleeps... How could anyone prove otherwise?

Somebody suggested that Wikipedia was run and edited by aliens. Maybe they have a different number system?

LOL at Hashin!

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cos the remaining are raped by wikipedia... and they don't want anyone to know...

Check here, britexpat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape

The figures don't add up to 100%

Am I missing something ?

I think these are some interesting facts (Wikipedia)

Be aware of ex-girlfriends (22.6 %)

Rape of women by men

Perpetrator Frequency

Steady dating partner 21.6%

Casual friend 16.5%

Ex-boyfriend 12.2%

Acquaintance 10.8%

Close friend 10.1%

Casual date 10.1%

Husband 7.2%

Stranger 2%

Rape of men by women, by perpetrator

Perpetrator Frequency

Steady dating partner 18.6%

Casual friend 4.1%

Ex-girlfriend 22.6%

Acquaintance 3.1%

Close friend 9.4%

Casual date 2.2%

Wife 13.2%

Stranger 1.1%

"if you keep each others interested, attracted and satisfied with each other."

The wife in this case doesn't feel satisfied, she feels raped. She doesn't even get the chance to seduce her husband because he rapes here while she's sleeping.

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for me! marriage is to keep each other happy and fulfill each others desires and faithfullness can be found if you keep each others interested, attracted and satisfied with each other. so in order to have all of these guaranteed 100% give enough your partner "SEX" satisfaction right? lol! :P weeeeeeeeheeeeeeee I'll go and seduce my husband now! :P

Swift06 will be back after a couple of hours play! lol!

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If you ever forgot you were living in the stone age in Qatar, you just need to read a post like Swift's.

I'm a bit tired of this one too.

Not to mention saddend.

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Sigh, speaking of uneducated, indoctranated fools, Nice post Swift. :P

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This can't be called rape, Marriage means your husband should have full access on you! If she's charging her husband rape, why would she marry him first of all? if she can't fulfill her husband's need, what's the point of marrying her? if he has to get his sexual desire to someone else? That is why some husband prepared to have mistressess or pay prostitutes because of some wives are mean. :P

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USA has it's own share of uneducated macho indoctranated fools.

Just like everywhere else.

It's down to the man to decide what is wrong or right.

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I agree that upbringing and culture have a lot to do with it. However, it is also to do with education and respect. remember, this happened in the USA..

JBH

I understand your position more clearly. There were a few posts above questioning whether or not a wife really does have the right to say 'no' to her husband.

I guess it depends on your upbringing about whether or not you believe that a woman has the right to self-determiniation or if she is just there to be told what to do (and which position to take).

can they not discuss this between them,not to involved the court, he is her husband anyway , i doubt if she loves her husband!!!!

Rami-leb

I think I didn't explain it very well.

I was refering to the fact that a marriage is not a guarantee of sex on demand.

But the statement of "having the right" should be read together with not having the right to have sex with anyone other than your wife.

i.e. you have the right to have sex with your married partner only, but not with anyone else.

I am also saying is you do not and should not have unlimited/ access to your wifes body without her consent.

Anyone who believes you shoud is loveless.

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Also, for the statement "she has to allow him", when you enter into a marriage you are taking on the responsibility of eachothers natural desires for eachother.

Correct.

It would be stupid and unfair to enter into a marriage and then state that you want it to be a sexless one.

But that is totally different to having to submit to your partners desires every time they occur.

That is the same as being used as a sex slave.

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Perhaps, religiously, the man can say that within this particular union it is okay, under god, to do this to his wife.

But this story is from the US, where I would venture a guess that under LAW, what he has done is illegal.

The statement that a man has the right to have sex with his wife is probably refering to the fact that he is allowed to under whatever "code" the union is blessed by.

As opposed to; he is not allowed to have sex with someone who is not his wife.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box.

And yes, you should wake her and ask if you can have sex.

Whether that is in words or your own little loving ways.

My wife knows what I am after just by looking at me, and I, like all other men, sometimes get told to "sod off".

Usually with a smile, but we are loving and we know how to keep eachother happy and when it is right and when it is not right.

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I am saddened that you find it funny..

"Marital rape" although a relatively new term is used by husbands all over the world to have sex with their wives..

It should be stopped..

Married or not, if it is not consentual than it is defined as raped.

Just touching on Theonix argument about Islam, that man owns his wife, There is a saying in The Quran I think I read it somewehre that woman are you filed you may enter them but only with their consent. I have had a debate about this and the out come and vie in Islam is that if the woman feels that she has been violated in anyway ioncluding sexually then she not can only ask for divorce she can also seek punishemnt.

Coming back to the Story in the Sun. Yep it is definately Rape and these kind of complaint are frequently entertained in Divorce and abuse case.

So Conclusion, Married or not Married you both parties should consent, After all both parties should equally enjoy the natuaral pleasures, if one is not enjoying then they shuold seek help.

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IS that a rhetorical question?

Of course it's freakin rape. Non-consensual sex, even within a marriage, is rape.

In years gone by there was a notion that a man had certain rights, but thankfully western countries have moved into the modern era where men don't have the 'right' to have sex from an unwilling wife.

Rape is any non-consensual sexual activity. It's pretty clear that this is rape. And it's not a joke.

Even if she refuses to have sex with him thexonic, it's still not an excuse to rape her while she sleeps/.

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ofcourse not. But I mentioned other possibilities.

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hahahahahaa....its quiet so funny !

he shuld w8 for her to wake up....and then take a permission "can i make luv 2 u?" LoL !

peace \m/

I doubt whether any religion gives a husband the "right"to take his wife whenever he sees fit.

Also, in this case, she was asleep, therefore no consent was given...

I personaly think that he deserves to be punished..Perhaps his room mate in jail will do the same to him!

you can't force your wife on that and in the first part ... It is all about making love, so both of you should want this, love to do this, ready for it.

If you will do it this way, it would be painful indeed as he will just go for it without any ... I don't know how to say it ... but it should not be this way ...

What kind of love are you two exchanging while the other party is sleeping? Don't tell me that she might be dreaming about it ...

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

She does not have to seduce her husband just to make love to her!

Thexonic we are coming very close to getting into a religious argument, I'm not going to get into the wrongness of viewing women as something you own or have rights over. I can't even imagine Islam would say, if you're wife says "No dear, I'm sorry, I have a headache" that means you can just throw her down and have sex with her.

Also, some men are just perverts. Sounds like her husband is one of them. Frankly I can imagine that this type of sex would be quite painful so I think she has every right to protest.

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she said "she felt she was being raped". Maybe she had a bad dream?

Gypsy, I agree with that. But according to Islam and alot of other religion, the husband has all the rights to the woman's body, he can have sex with her and she has to allow him, unless if its in an unappropriate place, but I am not sure about forcefully having sex. But then, may be there is something that is missing out in this article, may be she never allowed him to touch her body, may be she had an affair, may be she was afraid of sex, there has to be something that he took this action. This article is just one side of the story. In the end, if he wont have sex with her then with whom? and if the wife gives him what he desieres, then he wouldn't be forcing her into it.

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MagicDragon,

She did say something, she asked him not to do this to her when she is asleep.

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Sex is something people do and being married makes it easier for them to do so.

But it does not give you the right to "take" it.

Imagine the scene for a minute;

"I want s3x."

"I don't want to right now."

"Well I am going to take it anyway"

Does being married allow you to behave in that way?

The answer is no.

And if this happens persistently, how can it allow a good love life to blossom?

It would be associated with discomfort and unhappiness.

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According to the general definition of rape:

it is not against her consent. She says nothing.

It is not based on violence. He doesn't beat her up beforehand.

Not quite the same.

Sorry mate.

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Getting married is not a getting a ticket to have sex with your wife whenever you want thexonic. She still has to consent.

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I don't think that making love to your wife can be considered a rape, but ... I don't think that making that while your wife is a sleep can be considered love making.

I don't know which one of them is right, but what is obviously not right is taking photos of your wife while sleeping or into these awkward positions.

Can someone be really sleeping heavily like that? If someone would open my room door in the middle of my sleep in the middle of the night I would wake up :)

It is either she is really a heavy sleeper, or this guy is putting something into her every night before going to bed juice, drink or whatever ...

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Britexpat, true, but its her husband. May be she was a victim of rape in her childhood or so. There has to be something wrong, cuz even if i agree to disagree, it still doesn't feel right. Sex is one of the main reasons why people actually get married!

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It is not the same.. in this case, the husband is 'forcing himself' on her..

It is marital rape in my opinion..

JBH, just assuming... btw no name taking jbh

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it is rape.

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and she has been raped for 30times..

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I guess a woman has to know that it's her husband who's sleeping with her before having sex. I wonder how many women turn on the light just to make sure about it before sleeping lol. But I can see what u mean Gypsy, u have a valid point. I mean it still doesnt make any senes, to why he has to go to prison. If that was the case, (assuming) everytime a father went to look over his daughter and peck on her cheek he would be arrested for sexually abusing the child...

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I get your point Albe but that would be a whole different scenario.

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lucky it was just the husband, when she was asleep

Or she simply didn't know what to do about it.

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As his wife, she probably didn't want to take it to the next level..She probably thought that he would see sense, but obviously he didn't..

Well, look at the reactions by some people on this site, obviously she was embarrassed or afraid of the reaction. Poor women. :(

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Its most definitely rape..

vegas, there have been numerous cases of "Male rape" by women.. I found it ghard to belive at first, but it does happen..

It's quite a bit different for a guy to wake up with a girl on top of him and for a girl to wake up with a guy on top of her. I don't think I really need to get into the physical comfort details, but if a girl isn't AHEM warmed up, it's quite uncomfortable.

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Hmmm, I doubt it.

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Looks like it will be jail time....

And then a divorce...

Wonder why she still sleep next to him???

Why would she let it happen more than oncce???

This just doesn't add up???

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As Vagas always says;

"you can't teach experience".

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Vagas, I imagine most/all guys would be happy with this.

But we know it is different for women, no point in discussing it really because it just is.

Then again, if the man was being treated bad all the time during the day then he would probably have some thing to say about the relationship.

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Gypsy, I bet she was enjoying it herself :P

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It most defintely is rape, she's objected and he continues to do it, and taking pictures makes it even worse. I really don't find this funny.

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And the guy telling the girl to stop???

You can't teach experience

It would not be a problem if they both know it is ok to do this as they find it a pleasant way to be woken.

But not if one of them has made it clear that it is not welcome.

I do think it is wierd for him to carry on when there is no response.

All of us in a relationship know what is ok and what is not and we respect the wishes of our partners.

The marrige wouldn't be much of a success if one or the other is repeatedly disrespected.

This one doesn't sound much like a match made in heaven to me.

Finding a funny side to this indicates you are comparing this to your own situation and that you are in a happy relationship.

But I shudder sometimes to think how bad some marriages must be.

Be thankfull if you are in happy relationship and you both love eachother.

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He does seem like a perv but dont spouses have conjugal rights (in the absense of violence or other coercion)? I think rape is taking it a bit too far. Harassment, yes and I can understand her pressing charges against him for taking the nude pucs w/out her consent. Rape, geez 30 times it happened and she didnt kick him out the house, take him to see a therapist or something? A bit melodramatic for me.

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Only a psycho would have sex with a woman(even if its his wife)while she was asleep and on several occasions made it quite clear to him she felt like she was being raped..

sorry about what i said above, i mean just a joke.

i think we woman have a right to say no to sex eventho to our own husband. but not all the time of course.

Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand

He sounds like a necrophiliac and JBH is right... its rape...it is not consentual and she has objected.

And rape isn't funny...

he certainly isn't showing her much respect.

I could guess it was from the Sun because it implies that he 'can't help himself' and exonerates him from responsibility.

He is invading her rights as a free person, it is not just the act but he took photos to which she did not agree and she did not agree to his advancing towards her either he could have even murdered her in her sleep - I would not trust him either and she was right to go to court.

No its a watermelon :P

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"...of the worst kind..."?

I can think of much worse scenarios.

Taking the photos is bad, but what did he do with them?

Did he just show them to her?

We are assuming also that it was intercourse that was taking place, but was it?

I think that would make a difference.

Especially on the overnight train from London to Glasgow.

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sad but funny one.

You can't teach experience

Me too Vagas!

I've woken up to find myself doing it too.

I didn't complain though funny enough.

QUICK HYJACK ALERT;

A couple decided to have s3x on a train in full view of the other passengers in the uk a number of years ago.

No body said a word, but someone did complain when one of them lit a cigarette up afterwards.

Apparently a true story that one.

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It is rape and of the worst kind - she is an individual and has the right to decide if she wants to have s*x or not.

He has no right to use her body for his satisfaction let alone take photos of her when she is sleeping.

She was right to take this to court what else may he have been doing when she was asleep???

now you have to take permission too.

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As with all things in a marriage / relationship, everything is ok IF THE PARTNER DOESN'T OBJECT.

Seeing as she did object then he was in the wrong.

Especially the taking photos while she is asleep thing.

That is just wierd.

Nothing wrong in my opinion in trying to wake your partnet up in this way, but I would have given up if she never awoke before I would go the whole hog and mount her.

He needs to brush up on his skills rather than just taking for his own satisfaction.

I think she could have dealt with this in another way instead of taking it court though.

Maybe she could have fitted a mouse trap to the hem of her nightie?

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exactly supernurse, actually whats really happenned is she is enjoying too much this activity cos all she need is just lay there, but mabye recently hubby got shot out pretty quick and make her frustated. hihihihi

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Damn she missed out on all the fun!! Saying that if that didn't wake her up it wouldn't be worth waking up for 'Pull my nightie down when you're finished luv'

Britexpat is back again with one of his REPORTS!!!

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she just lazy bum....

Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand

funny lol

I say, what a life indeed...

its such a pity...!!! such an azz...!!!LOL!

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actually, when uthink about it, he is a bit of a perv...

taking pics and nude pics only when she is asleep?

If you're looking for a problem, you're probably gonna find one.

Good morning everyone,my question how can anybody sleep while someone is having s@x with you no matter how deep asleep you are you must atleast feel the touch or hear breathing?

can she sleep in another room and lock the door?

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lol... why do they entertatin such complaints.. :/

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why the hell did she marry...she could have slept in peace all day all night....lol

Libido extremes..

Thats funny :)

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