Saving humanity from gays is important - Pope
Daily Mail..
Saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behaviour is just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction, Pope Benedict said today.
"(The Church) should also protect man from the destruction of himself. A sort of ecology of man is needed," the pontiff said in a holiday address to the Curia, the Vatican's central administration.
"The tropical forests do deserve our protection. But man, as a creature, does not deserve any less."
'Ecology of man': Pope Benedict today as he claimed saving humanity from gays is akin to saving the rainforests from destruction
The Catholic Church teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are. It opposes gay marriage and, in October, a leading Vatican official called homosexuality "a deviation, an irregularity, a wound".
The Pope said humanity needed to "listen to the language of creation" to understand the intended roles of man and woman.
He compared behaviour beyond traditional heterosexual relations as "a destruction of God's work".
He also defended the Church's right to "speak of human nature as man and woman, and ask that this order of creation be respected".
If having ovarian cancer is normal, then why can't those women get pregnant?
Firstly, you're confusing 'normal' with 'natural'.
A 'normal trait' (such as heterosexuality) is, by defition, something that is common to the majority of people.
A 'natural trait' (such as homosexuality, or, for that matter, ovarian cancer) is something that occurs naturally without external intervention.
Some things are both normal and natural, even if they are considered afflications, like losing your eyesight with age or having grey hair.
Homosexuality is, as has been discussed so very, very often (and yet some people still seem to ignore this fact) natural. It occurs in populations of almost every mammal, as well as other animal groups.
You can consider it a disease or an abnormality or whatever, and I guess you'd be right.
I'm always amused by the argument that being gay is a product of your environment or your upbringing or something. Has no one ever wondered why mothers don't have whole families of gay children? Logically you would expect this to be the case, since each child has been raised in the same environment.
Well, if being homo/Les is as normal as being hetero why can't gays have children? Maybe nature missed something when created Humans?
But i do hope that a lot of men turn gay and all women turn hetero, more women available for me ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I'm sorry.....there are too much girls around...
about "monossexual"?
It's when the gay is soooo gay he doesn't have surround system, only mono, got it (just receive it)?
Nice one brit!
ex-expat - I can't work out if your follow up to brit's joke is way too clever for me, or just makes no sense at all. lol! (Oh, and btw, what Gypsy wrote makes perfect sense. You read it wrong. Twice)
Did they find a false 'top' as well?
PMSL brit......
If there were no gays , we wouldn't have any gay jokes..
I just arrived back from vacation. At the airport, a gay guy got busted coming through customs?
They found a false bottom in his suitcase.
Just had a lovely Boxing Day dinner with my cousin and his boyfriend, and his two lovely, recentely married (also gay) friends. If this is what causing the world to go to hell, then I say let the world go to hell. It will be a much better place.
Aahh I'm sure the Pope has access to all sorts of substances......He must have been on something to actually say what he did about the gay community! I'm sure he's tried a bit of liquid gold in his time ;)
Gypsy, I think you had one too many with your dinner.
I suggest you have a look at your post and learn to write...
SN: If that is the case then at his age he will need a large dose of Viagra in order to indulge...
Ex-expat where did I say it would save the world from going to hell. I said if THEY are what's going to send the world to hell, then I think the world should go to hell. Learn to read.
Lol, I bet that bloody Pope has played the Pink Flute a few times in the Vestry ;)
Their track record for indulging in little boys is all too painfully proved !
"A man may fight for many things.His country,his friends,his principles,the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child.
But personally,I'd mud wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sackful of porn."
Blackadder.
Aha! The Pope doth protest too much methinks,...bet he's partial to a young choir boy or two if I do say so myself!
Gypsy, can you explain how sharing a dinner with your gay relative and friends will save the world from going to hell?
Where is the logic or sense in your statement?
YEAH you are right norman
LOL brit... i knew this thread isnt wholesome... vaseline... naughty drac..,
these are the best ways to deal with this thread.
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call me ONE.
is an unguided confusion to a growing up child or teen. No one is born homosexual. Its just the environment where the child grows that plays the big part in the development of his/her sexuality. and also for the parents who thinks that sexuality discussion is taboo if the childs starts to ask, then he/she gets the wrong information from wrong individuals.
"Masunod nawa ang iyong kalooban!"
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Britexpat
LOL
Don't give them no more Ideas, they might buy a Doorknob instead of the plastic rubberize thing.
You got Confessions today
A local reporter was interviewing locals about the various uses of vaseline. He knocked on a door, and a man answered in his bathrobe.
"Sir, could you tell me what you use vaseline for?"
"Hmm...well, dry lips, dry skin, and, of course, sex."
"Sex?"
"Well, me and the missus put a little vaseline on the doorknob..."
"Yeah?"
"And it keeps the kids out."
Religion is the route of all evil....
The Pope says that saving humanity from homosexual or transexual behaviour is just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction and then he says he wants an end to 'hatred and violence' in the Middle East.
I think these two points completely contradict each other. Aren't his words about homosexuality full of hatred. I want an end to the hateful and hurtful views of the Vatican.
This is why I don't subscribe to any religion as I think that human beings should be allowed to live in peace regardless of their race, sexuality or gender.
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I've never heard of Islam or Hinduism or Hebrew talk much about such stuff...but they are prone to it. They probably deny it. What's with every men around here holding hands with each other? LOL
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Gypsy, so that means you can no longer speak as a Catholic.
And it means that your earlier post was not truthful.
If you believe that this type of behaviour is socially acceptable then I pity you.
Good thing your opinion doesn't really matter isn't it.
I just can't imagine when this gay thing started becoming a norm. From what I recall it used to be a taboo. In my opinion it should still be.
I was born and raised in the Catholic church, but no I no longer subscribe to its teachings.
Ex-expat sexual experimentation in your teen years is perfectly normal, and as long as it's performed safely there's no harm in it. I know many gays and lesbians who "experimented" with heterosexuality (especially lesbians and female sexuality is much more fluid then male). I know 100% gay men who in there young teens had crushe's on girls. With all those hormones flying around during your teen years it's natural to find yourself confused. Teens shouldn't be scared to experiment.
Alexa, I have to disagree. The present day world is full of sexual anomalies which are confusing even to adults.
When I was in my teens, I met quite a few people who were extremely confused about their sexuality.
As a consequence, they engaged in homosexual acts in an attempt to discover the nature of their own sexuality.
If these poor unfortunates were 'born' gay, they would know it instinctively and they would not need to experiment in order to 'discover' their sexuality.
Most of the people I knew who followed this path became even more confused, and to this day many of them do not truly know if they are 'gay','bi' or 'straight'.
I believe this is a social problem and should be seen as such.
Gypsy, as a true Catholic you are expected to follow the guidance of your Pope.
If you are a true Catholic how can you accept homesexuality?
As a true Catholic you are expected to kiss the Pope's ring (interpreted as arse perhaps?), not the other way around.
So you cannot be a true Catholic can you?
I don't think it's a disease as such, it's more of an eccentricity that has been accepted (under the table, so to speak) since time immemorial.
No doubt many people have an inborn tendency to homesexuality, and that's OK as long as they don't make a big issue out of it.
I mean, when was the last time you heard of a 'Glad To Be Hetro' rally?
The danger is that in today's world, 'normal' childen are exposed to all this hype about homesexuality and they may become confused about their own sexuality as a result, particularly if there are problems in their home and family life.
need you to call HARRY POTTER...or else I'm gonna burst with these people thinking HOMOSEXUALITY is disease...arrrghh
^&%$%^&*&^%$#$%^.....grrrrr
didnt know gremlims attacked overnight.,
"homosexuality is a disease... my a$$!"
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call me ONE.
"...homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are."???? what is this mean?
Alexa I think homosexually is a disease. and it can be cured but these patients doesnt want to admit that they need therapy.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
What Alexa said
Except sign my name on it.
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Different direction??? Isn't it the same direction? That's why there's criticism as to its restrictive interpretation. Same thing for the CoE - up in arms over interpretations - not moving with the times, etc. etc.
Actually, I wanted to stick to my mono answer but...my good behaviour doesn't last past 20 secs.. so, I guess what will be will be... I said "no" earlier because gays are human beings too and God is inclusive, not exclusive. Hence, no to "saving humanity from gays".
Having said that, IMHO, homosexuality is not sinful and the gay is not condemned as long as he does not act on his homosexuality, committing homosexual acts, which are "against the order of creation". Fine line.
/I'm no catholic ... and have been branded by a few catholics to be a heathen and on the road to perdition. Yeah.. whatever.
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Don't want no drama,
No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama
Britexpat
We did forgive you for your anti-American transgression in the past in QL.
In which direction are you guiding your flock?
So the "mis-deeds" of the past should be blamed on this pope ?
He is the elected Leader of a religious group and such has decided to take his "flock" into a different direction. Nothing wrong with that. Politicians do it all the time..
ONEmakikomoto said:
"...homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are."
Where do we draw the fine line of both definitions?
Gypsy said:
Speaking as a Catholic this Pope can kiss my arse.
Hold on My Canadian Bacon. You are being contradictory with your statement, Did I heard you said many times before on QL, that you don't believe in any religion?
Don't forget to kiss my right hand before entering my Confession Booth.
Gypsy: ahahahaahahahahahahah, hope he wont last too long ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Speaking as a Catholic this Pope can kiss my arse. How many years till he dies?
I agree with salax, as i stated previouslly, i do think that homosexuality is a disease.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ
عانيتُ
No.
but I'll refrain till I got my details/info sorted :-1
"...homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are."
i get and dont get this statement... to the VERY ESSENCE of REALITY, the LATTER is just the "VERB" form of the FORMER, which is the NOUN form., right?
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call me ONE.
then I wanted to say ...... ......
with other religious leaders as well you know .... There is no debate ....
Please enlighten me, anyone: Is "getting his own house in order" mean the continuing practice of sending convicted child molesting priests to France or other countries to live out their dying days?
Doesn't the Pope have his platter full getting his priests/parishes "in order?"
Isn't child molestation a "destruction of God's work"?
I guess the pope needs to tell the gays to save themselves by seeking some kind of therapy for this mental disease they are having.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
...Church's right to "speak of human nature as man and woman, and ask that this order of creation be respected".
Fair enough as long as they respect other groups and their right to ask respect for their way of living.
.it's almost 2009, Is the gay thing even still worth discussing?
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.who gives a rat's ass, lol......
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Perhaps we're meant to fill in the blanks?
You lost me in there somewhere ..
So,
but remember.....with this Pope however you speak.....
and other religions....who speak?....
try.....try fredoom speak....
think again......
Ratzinger wasn't called 'Cardinal No' for nothing.
Scary man.
to be fair to this pope, he is already trying to remove gay clergy, so yes he is attempting to get his own house in order even if doing a poor job of it.
As for the person who blamed the greeks for inventing homosexuality, well they certainly practiced it alot but have you never heard of a place called soddom?
the story of this city is mentioned in both the Quran and bible, where the prophet lut (lot in english), upon him be peace was sent to a people who practiced unnatural filth upon each other and after they ignored the warnings given by the prophet lut they were destroyed by the creator for their sins.
Abu Abdillah
John Paul II surprised me big time with his will and desire to bring peace to this violent world, iu just wish that we get another pope like John Paul soon
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
It's a flag with all the colours of the rainbow and means equality to all
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Its a bit rich coming from a church where half the clergy are gay and the other half are child molesters
just eat another pie
Ratzinger was known as "God's rottweiler" under the previous pope. He has always had a stance on homosexuality, birth control . One reason , he took the name Benedict.
I think he will do well. The Catholic Church needs a strong leader and there is nothing wrong with "going back to the basics"
a character w/o virtue is a like a flower w/o perfume!
Actually Mehek that is why there are so many gay men in India... because it was a british colony....
beware of all men playing cricket and rubbing hard balls up and down their trousers
its a british conspiracy to corrupt your nation!!!
Yes, lets save the world from rainbow flags and leather pants. They are a much greater threat then no rain forests.
yep homosexuality was invented by the Greeks
spread around europe by the Romans
and popularised by the Brits with their public school system and globalised thru their colonisation around the world
no other parts of the world had gays before the west....
oh Mehek you live in a dangerous world with all these Western evils.
So glad to hear you say that...
Marry me and we;ll fly away to Phuket or somewhere exotic.
i wish someone would save me from mehek's dribble.
according to islam also homosexuality,lesbians is a very big haram wich shud be prevented in western countries but heterosexuality is a must otherwise the human species will go down.oh Allah save our souls,protect us from western world and there effects and guide all of us to the rite path and giv us gud death.Aaameen
hahaha...even i thought it came frm RP..looolzzz
The moral advice is from The Pope.. The story is carried in many papers..
When I want moral advice, the first place I seek advice is the hate-filled pages of the Daily Mail.
You 'mislead' me with this article! LOL
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
The Papa is coming out of hibernation.
Wonder what QL Catholics feel about this ..