Sharjah child dies after being left in car

I read stories like this & I get goose pumps

I can't imagine doing that to a child

I once read that a father let his kid rut in his diapers & dies of the paktiria & hunger

In the Cookies of Life, FRIENDS are the Chocolate Chips

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Parents forgot their child.......???WAT THA PUCK??

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How many children do they have?? 20,30, This is ridiculous

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They must be punished for their negligency

I am thankful for the happy ending in the story above, but many small children and pets are at the mercy of those who supposedly are all wise and all powerful. And many deaths occur each year unintentionally.

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Short of writing legislation to teach common sense or always count your children when leaving the auto...

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Someone should suggest to the Toyota Prius engineers or other forward thinking automotive research group they put a heartbeat activated alarm that is triggered when the engine is off -- requiring an adult make a conscious decision to override or disable the alarm...

this is worst than dying in a brief accident.imagine the suffering of this poor kid before her death,slowly by heat and suffocation.my God!

Talking about kids being left behind, see this link.

This is fresh news (today, 29/07/2009):

US CHILD LEFT IN CAB

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_child_left_in_cab

And just for those negative posters, I am not justifying anything, just merely pointing out that it happens as a mistake!

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Obstacles are what you see when you set your eyes off the goal.

Diamond,

I accept all comments and arguments with an open heart.

But what I will not accept is being judged by someone without law experience and charged with manslaughter and murder charges.

I decided to air my incident because I think it helps others understand that these things may happen and mistakes can occur.

I understand this is a friendly community with different point of views and I respect that, although I may not agree with many comments.

Its not like I am bragging about it, because it isn't something you take pride in, is it?!

I've learned my lesson alright, but I have learned another disappointing lesson from a few QL posters.

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Obstacles are what you see when you set your eyes off the goal.

PEACE BE UPON YOU i heard many stories before and i watched once in operah a woman who did it and she explained her feelings,people do not judge please you don't know unless you are in her shoes god help them

Abu American, I don't think it has anything to do with maids...a quick google will give you these sorry stories below and many more from Europe and North America...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1035641/Boy-2-dies-baking-hot-car-parents-shopping-forget-him.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/5850507/Child-dies-in-car-after-being-forgotten-by-mother.html

http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story/Child-left-in-car-dies-on-mothers-wedding-day/N1kr5XqY80yDVj61YlqZxQ.cspx

http://www.minortroubles.com/2009/07/02/another-child-dies-after-being-forgotten-in-car-outside-daycare/

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3570651&page=1

http://www.centralillinoisnewscenter.com/news/local/48813622.html

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OHH I DIDNT KNOW THAT V GOT CHILD EXPERT'S TO IN QATAR I THAUGHT THEIR EXPERTIES WAS LIMITED TO ONLY RELIGIOUS THREADS

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My boss told me " you are fired"

I told him " boss i didnt hear the shot"

Sefri, you made a very poor choice. Thankfully someone pointed it out to you in time. Hopefully you have learned your lesson.

You decided to air what you did on a public forum. Be prepared for the comments that follow.

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sefri, it seems you took angry pills today. people just don't adopt for the sake of it (unless you're madonna or angelina).

would be adoptive parents have to jump through hoops by way of means testing/interviews before they qualify for a child.

it'd be great if the same rationale could apply to those wishing to reproduce.

To me, there is a huge difference between leaving a child in a locked hot car and accidently killing your unborn baby... http://www.qatarliving.com/node/492874

Do we all remember the case? Dubai woman found guilty of manslaughter and has to pay any future children she has blood money for killing their sibling...

Can anyone tell me that this mothers anguished would not have been any less than the parents of the "locked car child"?

Yet she was punished... what is this? Double standards?

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

visit www.qaws.org

I think I'll liberate a slave......

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"A Wise Man knows what he does not know!"

And also as you may will be aware of, unattended is relative!

In safe countries like Qatar, KSA, Jordan and some other ME countries, the level of security and safety is very high in comparison to European countries...

I would never do this in Spain or the UK!

But back in Jordan and here in Doha, I thank God for the safety level we have...

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Obstacles are what you see when you set your eyes off the goal.

Sorry... HE...

He might have made a mistake and he agrees to it...

But to call it a murder in case of death... cmon... don't stretch it

I don't think that on its own is reason enough to call him a bad parent

I think there are far worse things that can happen to a child than being left for five minutes unattended...

tallg,

What I say is not true to you, true to me and other people as I am noticing!

You claim what you say has nothing to do with the law, yet you are referring to legal terms such as manslaughter and murder! This is is completely controversial!

Please state where I have insulted you? I am expressing my opinion about your comments, not you personally. It seems you have a complexion indeed.

If an insult exists, it is in you classifying me as no good to be a parent and charging me with murder!

Again, I will reiterate on my opinion regarding what you said: It is all bull...

I will also add that by making such judgments, you are only proving to others you have no idea about parenthood!

BTW verisimilitude, I am a HE not a SHE :-D ...and the weather in Jordan is not as hot as here. Maximum temperatures reach 32 C in summer.

But regardless the temperature, I made a mistake not a crime!

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verisimilitude, thanks for getting involved. I knew you'd be here to set me straight sooner or later. I'm sorry if me "flying off the hook" over someone deliberately leaving the kids unattended in a car in hot weather upsets you. I guess we just have our buttons pushed by different things.

For your information sefri is a man, according to his profile.

Sefri himself stated that his kids were already "sweating with red faces" in "only a minute if not less", and that he made a stupid mistake and learnt a valuable lesson that day.

So both he and I at least agree on the fact that it was dangerous to leave the kids in the car. Being shut in a car on a hot summers day in Amman would certainly cause someone to suffer badly, especially a child.

And that's just from a heat point of view. I haven't even considered the fact that he just left his kids unattended.

I am well aware that my parenting license idea would never become a reality. But I seriously believe that something needs to be done about the people who have children and are completely inept at bringing them up.

Why you flying off the hook...?

its Jordan... its not as hot as in Qatar

we don't know what time of the day it is..

She has three children... we don't know how old they are

the area was obviously in public view

and it was just a 5 minute errand

Don't get all judgmental... charging her with murder or even insinuating something similar is plain ludicrous

and calling her a bad parent based on this one episode is narrow mindedness...

And your parent license idea is Class A BS

sefri - to answer your points;

Well well...

You just can't stop saying bull... can you tallg?

Please advise what I have said that is not true.

If you are not a legal expert then keep it to yourself and be quiet!

My legal expertise is irrelevant in the discussion I'm having with you. I presented a personal opinion that I think people should have to acquire a license before reproducing, at that you wouldn't have got one. The law has nothing to do with it.

You must have a complexion to feel insulted by my words when I am only answering to your comments and ridiculous judgments!

This is also how a public forum works, if you don't like it, I suggest you keep things to your self.

A public forum is for discussion, not for throwing around unrelated insults and threats.

Or did you think you have the right to comment and not be answered?

No, on the contrary I have encouraged you to engage in debate about the issue, but asked you to do so without resorting to insults.

Regarding the quantification, I think you can reach a rough figure by counting how many adopted friends, neighbors and relatives you have... then drawing a conclusive percentage.

In my case that would give a result of 0%, which clearly isn't correct. Please provide some more accurate figures for me. I'm genuinely interested.

I feel our "discussion" is distracting from the purpose of this thread and ruining it for other users, so I will make this my last point - to reiterate what I said at the start;

I believe people should have to pass a test and acquire a license before reproducing, and I would hope the test would fail someone like yourself who deliberately left their children in a car with the doors and windows shut in hot weather.

Well I thought the same thing when it happened in my town back in the States...but when the parents told each of their sides of a story, it because very clear it was just a horrible misunderstanding with fatal consequence.

The parents were on the way back from the grocery store, food items in the trunk...baby in back seat buckled into carseat. Parents get into discussion (ok some said arguement, but doesn't matter)..The get home, go to the back of the car to unload the groceries...each one thinks the OTHER gets the sleeping baby from the car..unknowing that the baby is STILL in the car...thining the baby is down in its room for a nap...they don't go and check on it until its naptime is supposed to be over...And you have the recipe for a horrible accident.

As far as punishment..trust me...having to live with the knowledge that you have killed your own child due to your own stupidity will haunt them for the rest of their lives.

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man.

-Mark Twain-

people make mistakes...

Well well...

You just can't stop saying bull... can you tallg?

If you are not a legal expert then keep it to yourself and be quiet!

You must have a complexion to feel insulted by my words when I am only answering to your comments and ridiculous judgments!

This is also how a public forum works, if you don't like it, I suggest you keep things to your self.

Or did you think you have the right to comment and not be answered?

Regarding the quantification, I think you can reach a rough figure by counting how many adopted friends, neighbors and relatives you have... then drawing a conclusive percentage.

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Obstacles are what you see when you set your eyes off the goal.

Actually, there is a device that gives an alarm when the car's interior goes above a certain temp. Also, there was a campaign in Vegas with giant teddy bears that would sit in the car seat when the child was not there, which caught parent's attention and got them in the habit of checking every time and making the switch.

I'm just terribly saddened that either is necessary.

Yes, I figured it was an "old" rule!

And yes, as I said, I understand that the law doesn't require them to serve any further punishment, as is the case in many countries. I just don't agree with that, but that's my personal view.

"Someone must invent something that peeps every 5 minutes when a child is on board."...

it was invented already!

we use to call it" " PATERNAL LOVE!"

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The slave rule, tallg, was implemented in ancient times to liberate ppl but now it's no more applicable so it's mandatory that they fast now. Of course no official will see to it but it's as repentance.

Since it's their own child no other punishment is necessary, as, again, it was by mistake.

this happened to a student of one of the schools I am involved in here in Doha

One of the five year olds was locked out on the terrace of his home (a flat) in the midday heat

Eventually the child fell off the terrace and died, the heat must've been to much to bear

I won't or can't get around to blame the parents, there is nothing worse for a person than to see his or her child die during their lifetime

But when i read these stories, I try to wonder what the last moments for the child must have been like...

The only way I can rationalize their suffering is by thinking that they go straight to heaven and from there they probably pity us mere mortals for our wretched lives...

Yes, I said earlier it would be manslaughter. sefri's case would be murder I think, though I'm no legal expert.

I personally feel that the parents should be punished further, but I can see the argument for not.

And yet there are one or two cases a year like this in every hot climate. Indeed, we are too busy, too rushed.

But I do feel that this one is strange - unless we're missing a number of details. Usually, either the parent was ridiculous enough to leave the child on purpose because they did not want to be "bothered" with taking a child into the store, or it was a matter of something was out of routine and the child was not with that parent at that time as the norm, hence the forgetfulness, or it was a true mistake with each parent believing the child was with the other. The last I get, and it's the only excuse I can possibly think of for which I have any sympathy.

But this - it sounds as though the parents were together and the child was just left? Even if you thought the child was napping elsewhere, wouldn't you check on a 2 year old more than 1X in 3 hours? Horrible!

BTW, tallg, it would be manslaughter, not murder. And hence, if the authorities determine that it was truly grievous error, then surely, the loss of one’s own child through one's own stupidity is punishment enough?

Thanks for that information QL. Can't say I agree with it, but if that's the law then so be it.

So will they be liberating a slave (wtf?!) or fasting for two months?

Someone must invent something that peeps every 5 minutes when a child is on board.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the woman may be busy with her make up ,dress and man with her taup n cap they forgot the child

Allow me to make this a religious thread LOL

According to Islamic Law, if it's proven to be 'by mistake' then both parents have to either liberate a slave (if any) or fast for two months. No other punishment if it's by mistake as most likely the case is.

Yes, it's devastating and unimaginable, but is that really a good enough reason not to enforce the law? If it is, then people would be literally "getting away with murder" all over the place!

The child's death is enough punishment. It's devastating and unimaginable!

That's correct. I remember in the QL discussion that followed a similar incident in Doha a year or two ago, it was pointed out that in most countries, including the UK, the parents aren't charged in cases like this.

Speed, the presumption you made that the parents were not charged because they were not expatriates is incorrect. Typically with cases of this manner worldwide the parents are not charged unless there is any suspiscion of foul play.

North_me, please note the above.

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Yes, it's a costliest mistake, an un-repairable one. Still people do forget their kids inside the car, it's a cruel thing to do.

fan ni sarap , good question WHY?

I bet they don't forget their phone or purse in the car ?!

There will be no charges against them. They are suffering a lot," a police official told Gulf News.

Why?

in Dubai and one in Abu Dhabi

so many murders happening, hit and run cases on high and child dies after being left in car....

This was totally avoidable and inexcusable. I cannot understand how both parents forgot a small baby -- or child of any age for that matter. Pray for mercy upon their souls.

Last year, almost the same time, same thing happened with one of our officemate. He forgot his kid inside the car and got remember after three hours. By the time everything finished, even up to today I can't believe that, but it's happened.

I just can NOT imagine somebody "forgetting" their kids!

I have my kids around me ALL the time.

those ppl must not have a close connection to their kids

of the stupidest acts of all times of any parents.

1. How come they didn't notice that the baby was in the car?

2. Even if they didn't,say the baby was sleeping, how come they didn't notice that the baby is not anywhere around?

3. How did they not get into the car in a bid to find the baby?

Amazing...

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

Yep, and they wouldn't be awarded parenting licenses either.

Now stop deflecting attention away from yourself. You posted details of what you did. I responded. That's how a public forum works. If you can't carry on the conversation without resorting to insults or avoidance tactics I suggest you just keep quiet. It doesn't reflect well on you.

PS. Can you please provide some figures to quantify what you mean by "a considerable portion".

tallg,

A considerable portion of the British community are adopted from parents that abandoned them, not in cars, but after birth immediately (in hospitals, streets and in some cases in trash).

I've lived there and half my friends were adopted.

Go and apply there your parenting rules...

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Obstacles are what you see when you set your eyes off the goal.

Hmm, I can tell you how you can forget a child in the car.

If they have a lot of kids in the car with them, the baby may have fallen asleep in the backseat. When they were getting out they may have told one of the older children to take their brother or sister and they didnt. Once inside the kids were cared for by the maids and no one realized until it was too late.

I will say mistakes happen, I am not condoning what happened in anyway but I do understand that this can happen as the same thing happened to me last winter in Canada, the difference being that as soon as I got in the house I realized the litte one wasnt with us. He was in the car, in his car seat alone for about 3 minutes and it scared the hell out of me. My sister was in the backseat with him along with a younger child, and in the rear of the van was 3 more kids and another teenager in the front seat.

I agree with Tallg, any intentional harm, or deliberate neglect is the height of idiocracy.

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agree with tallg, licenses should be the way forward.

I dont care what anybody says...Leaving a child in a car either by mistake or by choice is absolutely idiotic. Leaving a child in a car in 45 degree heat is even more so.

Maybe the parents had more important things on their minds like shopping or socialising

The willingness of some parents to let the maids/nannies bring their children up raises the question 'Why did you decide to have a child'? Fashion statement? Because your friends have one?

We are always telling our children to 'be responsible for your actions'. Leave a child in a car and you too are responsible for your actions....and outcome.

Mistake or not....you are responsible

Is there any case also in UAE that a man forgot his wife inside the car and died? Can the man be charge for this? why not for the child, it is also the same life that was lost..sometimes laws in middle east are very unpredictable...

MO RIN...YUN LANG!!!

Nature have some duties imposed on you without you aware.

When you reflect from this such incident will emerge.

A male have a duty of a servent& security to takecare of there family by working & gaurding.

for that nature gave him muscle and power.

Female have to carveout a good healthy generation for tat she presented with immense power of pations ,love(real women)& care.

When this changes a unhealthy genaration raises.a unhealthy children rises ,a unhealth habit rises.

Lack of love,Lack of pations,Lack of security raises.

This is the sign of a Big disaster,around u is a loveless,careless,pationless genaration had raised.they will grab the rest of effection left of this earth.

TAKECARE

sefri:

My reference to rules and licenses were a continuation of my first comment on this thread.

But regardless of that, the simple point I was trying to get across was that someone who deliberately leaves their children in a car with no windows open on a hot day isn't fit to be a parent, in my opinion (or judgement, if you prefer to call it that).

Obviously that's going to upset you, but please try and maintain a mature attitude in your responses instead of branding me a "terrorist", telling me to "go get a life" and wishing good luck to my "wife, children and friends".

they got the punishment for their mistake guys

lets not start another bashing thread on parenting license

or who to be parents and not

lets learn form others mistake

and let pry to GOD to plz make ppl responsible enough not to make suchha foolish mistake next time

let us not have an opinion disguised fight

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My boss told me " you are fired"

I told him " boss i didnt hear the shot"

tallg - If you want people to listen to you and read your opinions then I suggest you post them without imposing yourself as a judge on a public forum, especially opinions that could have potentially lethal rulings.

The 1st part of terrorism is self-judging accusations, charges and sentences on others (Bin Ladin decided who are criminals).

The 2nd part is practically applying that (Bin Ladin actuated accordingly).

You just made it to part one, be careful next...

In case you haven't noticed, most people above condemned the act, not the persons. And they certainly did not make up "Parenting Rules", judge the parenting hood of others and hand out murder charges.

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unbeleivable..sad that kids have to die so horribly bcos their parents fault..

spare a thought for the parents n what they must be goin thru..

so irresponsible of them...isnt 2 hours not enough for you not to notice that a little is missing??? duh and duh...gosh, its not a toy that you will forget, its a human and your child.gosh!!!

...CHO RAH MO...

Of course, we sympathise with the parents britexpat. At the same time we have to condemn this grave mistake, so that others should be extra careful.

Of course AbuAmerican, If you are a real parent the number is not an excuse!!! What really matters is love and attachment

sefri - If you don't want people to judge you on your actions then I suggest you don't post them on a public forum, especially actions that could have had potentially lethal consequences.

What an irresponsible parents? One just can't imagine forgetting the child in the car

tallg,

Parenting license?!

We are talking of a wrong judgment I made because I was not going to spend more than five minutes, and you are already judging my parenthood and condemning me with murder charges?!

That is called a mistake, and I already described it as stupid, but I don't need nor seek your opinion, and certainly don't give a damn about your so called parenting rules...

Go get a life!

And BTW, good luck to your wife, children and friends...!

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Obstacles are what you see when you set your eyes off the goal.

It's understandable if the one parent who usually doesn't drive with the child on board to forget, but both of them forget that's odd.. Especially the mom what else has she got on her mind?!

sefri - you wouldn't be granted a parenting license under my rules! I think deliberately leaving them in the car is worse than accidentally doing it, and it would probably carry a charge of murder rather than man-slaughter in the event of their death.

This tragic case reminds me of the man in the UK who had too much to drink and was lying down on a sofa with his baby daughter. He passed out from the alcohol and unknowingly smothered his daughter to death.

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Rest in Peace little one

I once made that stupid mistake!

I went to buy some stuff from a supermarket in Jordan and three of my kids were with me.

I though since it would take two minutes, I would leave them in the car. I closed all windows and doors. It was a hot summer day in Amman.

As I headed to the supermarket, a lady called me and aksed me if I was out of my mind leaving the kids in the car with windows and doors closed?! She said they would suffocate! She was really mad at me...

I went back to the car and my kids were already sweating with red faces!!! It was only a minute if not less that I had left them!

Thanks to that lady, I learned a precious lesson the easy way...

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"There will be no charges against them. They are suffering a lot"

Before we all start crucifying the parents, imagine what they must be going through..

They made a mistake.. I for one can't understand how you can "forget" a child, but the sad thing is that these cases are becoming all too frequent around the world..

Does this mean that life is getting too hectic and we are all rushing around trying to accomplish tasks ??

draj your's is one of the major reason. Attension towards each child will be decreased with increased number of children. And its not at all an excuse. The parents should be punished with criminal offence.

its really sad to hear this again in my life as last time when it happend in doha it was for one of my philpina coleague and its was her first muslim child and it happend very next day when that baby girl spend whole day in our office with her mother playing with all staff , really i cant forget her funeral . May ALLAH give power to every mother and father to take care of their children very well ...AAMIN

A child is the part of your own body how come you can forget. I can not believe it.

Tallg - you are so right. There should be awareness classes and a test for license

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since they have lotttsss of children.. they forget some of them some where oftenly..

how irresponsible.

they r not a gud parent

how can forget there won child

How sad.. poor child. This happens elsewhere, but I just can't understand how parents can forget their children. That's terrible...

TRY AGAIN

yeah, same thing happened here in Doha before

This happens in Canada every summer. I agree with Tallg, people should have to get liscenses to reproduce.

How could you forget, your own blood and flesh in the back seat....

Similar happened in Doha last summer or the summer before. Luckily that time someone spotted the child before it was too late.

Everyone should have to get a 'parenting license' before being allowed to reproduce, to prove they're responsible and capable enough to be a parent.

This is really one of a kind. Leaving a 2 yr old under a lot of heat. How irresponsible.

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every_mothers...sadly this is not an isolated incident. :(

i have heard of mobile phones and laptops being forgotten in car.........not kids.

Aana free, jaana free,

Pakde gaye tho khana free.

How stupid can you be.