The shock of Doha after Abu Dhabi!

There are rats in the apartments???!!!! I am going to be living in an international teaching compound. Are there rats in those apartments???

RikiTiki, Welcome to Doha!

Your posting words resonate in my ears! I just moved to Doha from Dubai and i know exactly what you are talking about, the shock, or may be i would describe, an earthquake :)

Only people who lived in Dubai or Abu dhabi would understand what you are talking about. And actually only poeple who lived in these cities should comment because they can compare.

I lived in many Arab countries and i can assure you, you will not find anything like Dubai, Abu Dhabi or Muscat anywhere in the arab world.

Quality of living does not exist in many areas of the Arab World and poeple think you are being fussy for asking for nice and sophisticated things. They think that nice thing should be only for rich people.

I mean what kind of a villa that does not have even a shrub close to it. how about feeling claustrophobic when you look at your backyard and you find a high wall in front of you with 2x3 meters that people call here a"backyard"!.

I have looked at a new villa compound close to landmark in Al gharrafa area, and i tried to close the window, it would not close due to bad workmanship. the tiles in the kitchen were not even, kitchen cabinets look ugly. bathroom sinks do not have any cabinet underneath. this is brand new villa!!! but it is huge! how about make it smaller but with high quality instead of making big ugly thing!!!

Just take a drive behind QNCC and you know what i am talking about.

I mean we all know that dubai and Abu Dhabi are ahead of the pack by at least 20 years.

i think the city needs more focus on quality, more open parks, more open beaches, more highways, , etc.

http://www.mercer.com/articles/quality-of-living-survey-report-2011

this is the ranking of mercer's Quality of living survey:

this is World Ranking:

■Abu Dhabi (23rd)

■Muscat (29th)

■Dubai(39th)

■Doha (67th)

Got to agree with Qwerty.. Much ado about nothing..

Sometimes people HAVE to leave...not a choice. So they will try to get what made their life in the place they had to leave pleasant.

I can understand Riki tiki quite well, I struggled a bit when I came here. Until I finally found a place that had what I felt made my life a little better.

I think the best advice for OP would be to just stop comparing it to Abu Dhabi. She says she has to move to Doha, so why torture yourself? It's going to be different than Abu Dhabi. Deal iwth it. See a few places here and start comparing them on their own scale-- suddnely ones that aren't ideal now seem a whole lot better.

Ok, so the finishing here can be a little. . . wacky. I've lived in some interesting places (my first flat, for which we paid 8000 a month unfurnished for two bedroom!!) had a cupboard in the kitchen that we discovered had raw sewage from the apartments upstairs leaking into it. JOY, let me tell you when that was discovered! Since then I've bumped around a bit, and have yet to find someplace 'perfect'-- even the nicer compounds and buildings have something that drives you mental. The gym is broken, the kids are loud, the walls are flaky, the AC isn't strong, whatever, there will ALWAYS be something.

So make a list of what is a NEED and what is a WANT. For me, I wanted windows and light, I wanted enough bathrooms my flatmate and I don't have to share, I wanted fully furnished and I wanted a nice gym and pool. Everything else was gravy.

Seriously, isn't one of the reasons we move to other countries to experience something new? If you're going to hold every city to a standard of one you just left. . . why leave?

Maybe am a little late to post but given the fact that i too lived in abu dhabi for a while, then moved to qatar in 2008 towards the end of it, i'll just give u my personal opinion regarding this matter.

First, i don't see how u find abu dhabi desirable, i hated it immensly, it's a shitty city (no offence to anyone) but it was litteraly dirty the whole time no matter how much they cleaned it i found it to be dirty especially if u ever went to electra street where i worked near honda showroom or al khaldiya area where we lived for a while, all my friends lived in different places and i found each place worse than the one before it! i seriously wonder how u find abu dhabi particularly to be such a nice place with beautiful finishes we seem to be on different planets regarding this matter.

Coming to Doha, i found it immediatly to be an amazing place especially that i moved to beverly hills al rayyan, the whole place was great the finishes also are good... can't complain about stuff there loved it lived there for 2 years moved again to a new compound and also it's very nice and even better than beverly hills no noises, not so hot not so cold high ceilings... If u search u will find what u're looking for in Doha and with time u will like it and forget about AD.

Seriously life is very subjective and when u try to be happy u will find good things where u look around u!

I love it here i love bringing up my son here, i dread going back to abu dhabi and i'd probably never move back there (hopefully), when u're okay about leaving and start thinking positively u will get over some stuff u find shitty and see the beauty of Doha, Good luck

Maybe am a little late to post but given the fact that i too lived in abu dhabi for a while, then moved to qatar in 2008 towards the end of it, i'll just give u my personal opinion regarding this matter.

First, i don't see how u find abu dhabi desirable, i hated it immensly, it's a shitty city (no offence to anyone) but it was litteraly dirty the whole time no matter how much they cleaned it i found it to be dirty especially if u ever went to electra street where i worked near honda showroom or al khaldiya area where we lived for a while, all my friends lived in different places and i found each place worse than the one before it! i seriously wonder how u find abu dhabi particularly to be such a nice place with beautiful finishes we seem to be on different planets regarding this matter.

Coming to Doha, i found it immediatly to be an amazing place especially that i moved to beverly hills al rayyan, the whole place was great the finishes also are good... can't complain about stuff there loved it lived there for 2 years moved again to a new compound and also it's very nice and even better than beverly hills no noises, not so hot not so cold high ceilings... If u search u will find what u're looking for in Doha and with time u will like it and forget about AD.

Seriously life is very subjective and when u try to be happy u will find good things where u look around u!

I love it here i love bringing up my son here, i dread going back to abu dhabi and i'd probably never move back there (hopefully), when u're okay about leaving and start thinking positively u will get over some stuff u find shitty and see the beauty of Doha, Good luck

oh you kill me cool down girl,,,,now cool down go take a gold shower and relaxe ,, breath in,, breath out ok...that time of the month again wow,,, cool down

.......uLOL!

A tree house is good for a monkey dog like you! I remember, my dog loves to eat sausages. Hope next time you eat sausages from QDC, you won't feel sick again. I hope you ...!

oh you kill me cool down girl,,,,remember what you call a house and what we call a house is not the same dear... now cool down go take a gold shower and relaxe ,, breath in,, breath out ok...that time of the month again wow,,, cool down

We all adjust to our surroundings when we need to.

I'll show you mine in the Philippines.

Let us see who live in a cage. I pity you Mr. Dog, you really think and act like a DOG! All you do is BARK! Hope we won't meet in the same project or job, you'll know who is who?

It not suprise me you content living here and going to your white boys house for some freedom and a change to relax...but we can not life 6 to a bunk room at QR500 a month we need our own space,,, we cant live in cages...not our style

it is not so easy to bring the maid along with you. It will take you ate least three months once you and family is settled here.

CHOICE!

Different people, different level of standard. What is good to me may not be good to you. It depends on how you view it!

I can always visit a friend with a "better" home than me. What can I do, he maybe luckier than me (because he earns more) or I am just more of a simple man than an extravagant one!

Drovers...and what exactly should we do about it? Stage a peaceful demo? lol

looks to me like som ehave been here too long and now accept it as normal to have sub standard accomadation,, and work, been here too long people, remember your standards, too many falling into the DOHA trap of just live with it, STAND UP,,,,,,we dont need to live a life in substandard conditions,,, NO ITS NOT THE NORM

UK, do you want her to react more with the dust and noise at the Pearl?

or you aretalking about the lovely ladies at The Pear's Poto Arabia boardwalk? Lol!

Best to stay at the Pearl..Lovely finishes there!

Paul, yes, even here you get what you pay for...the price may not be justified, but that is another story.

definitely complaining! Period. Look again the original post. It's her first post I would presume! As I said above, if Y Village is a no-no to her, I really don't know what is acceptable to her (if she can't afford Westbay)?

nomerci, seems like some lost souls have been recruited to come and drown their sorrows at qatarliving.com

I don't see how someone can take this thread as an insult, the OP is comparing two gulf cities, it may not be positive but yet helpful to those considering the UAE as an alternate option.

Is that really an insult? Saying that something can be done better? Wow, I am shocked.

If I recall, she calls the maid's room in Alfardan 5 a "rat's hole". I doubt my maid or that of the other 200 maids in the compound would consider it a rat's hole.

Yes, it's a bit small but has a full bath, huge storage/closet and two windows.

A rat's hole indeed.....

Not according to Pirate, who maintains with considerable justification that in Doha, you get less than you pay for (which seems to be the lady's problem, too).

If I remember correctly, the flaky flat was about 800 a month, which was also probably more than it was worth.

Paul, it is all in the budget, isn't it?

Some have more, some have less.

And then you get what you pay for.

Ridiculous prices are what happens when a market acts like a cartel.

The lady indicated that she might not be able to be happy because the quality she required seems only to be available at West Bay. That certainly sounded like complaining to me.

I'm not sure that "the poor lady" is the most appropriate phrase.

I guess I have trouble relating to her problem as the place I first stayed in on Al Fustat in Umm Ghwailina 20 years back had flakes of paint falling off the kitchen ceiling into the cooking. Fun times, but not suitable for the ladies. My standards have gone up a bit since then, though obviously not to level of some others.

Anyway, I wish her luck in her quest.

It's not about the money, Cowan. It's about the shyte you get for your money. That relation is disturbed in Qatar!

Paul, if you want to take it on, it's your choice.

Anyhow, this poor lady is coming from another country. Where she had certain things. She would like to have them here too...wouldn't we all? Nothing unusual there, IMHO. She has not complained, just asked. And what happens...people make sweeping statements..very, very poor,IMHO.

And yes, the finishes in the houses in this country are exceptionally poor. I have lived in quite a few compounds here, and can confirm this 100%.

Her posts were not about "the biggest, the best, keeping up with the Jonese's". She stated what she was able to afford, and what she has seen in return.

And we all know that the houses here are certainly not worth what they are charged for.

RikiTiki, welcome to the Sandpit...and grow a very thick skin...for oh so many reasons...one being the "nice" people here.

If that's for me nomerci, it's missed its mark. I'm perfectly content with what I've got. It just astonishes me that people can obviously have so much more than I have yet feel that what they have got is inadequate. I would suggest that they should be looking for their contentment in something other than the quality of interior fittings.

But, of course, this is Doha, so nothing matters as much as having a better villa and more expensive car than anyone else. What else is there in life?

I don't begrudge the maid nice quarters. On the contrary, why not put her in a spare bedroom inside? That's what we did when we had a houseboy.

Ah, look who's here...the Green Eyed monster! lol

Minoush most of the places I've looked in in Doha have had maids rooms that could only be described as small closets with nothing more than a toilet, sink and shower head on the wall. No windows, no ventilation. Prison cells are nicer.

Just because someone would "jump" at the chance of a roof over the head doesn't justify making them sleep in a cage.

yep, pretty much! I don't really think any of the maid's rooms are closets. small but with full baths. Ask any laborer if they want to stay in one of those "small" maid's room- they would jump at the chance.

So she's a bad person because she wants her maid to live in a decent sized room rather than a closet?

Exactly- poor baby, the maid's room just isn't big enough..sniff, sniff

20,000/- a month just for accommodation? And it's still not good enough? Some people don't know how well off they are! That's £40,000 a year.

Tobyson, seeing as I suspect your comments are a bit tongue in cheek (but if not what is going on there), try living with a cooker which gives you a massive electric shock every time you touch it and wait for 8 months to get it fixed! Now a wobbly chair may not be so vital - use another chair - a cooker is another thing

Honestly Im absolutely fed up with the finishing of my 5 bedroom villa with 20 bath rooms...plus the constant reminder that one of the dining room chairs are wobbly greatly disturbs me...am in a dilema...should I leave???

yes, sorry to say, welcome to Qatar - your problems with accommodation won't end there. Poor maintenance to follow. Currently renting a fairly pricey villa and it is very hard to get them to actually fix things when broken -just seems that they want to take your money without giving back...

ah yes, typical QL welcome committee...lol!

RikiTiki, you best grow a thick skin quickly ...otherwise Qatar will hurt you BAD.

Don't come to Alfardan 5, we don't need any more complainers/whiners/ego-maniacs in our compound. We have more than enough and they chase away all the management. None have lasted more than 6 months because of our wonderful community of "complainers."

You don't have to pay agents to view a villa or apartment anymore UK, but you do have to pay them a fee when you sign a lease. And the finishing on some of the newer villas and apartments, like Raha Gardens, Al Reef, etc, are REALLY nice.

I also came from Abu Dhabi to Doha. about 5 years ago. One thing I hated about Abu Dhabi was that you had to pay agents for just viewing a villa or apartment and the finishing was not that much better than what we have in Doha!

Yep, that country is tired, old and dirty. And you will probably need a lung transplant when you get back from the extreme pollution, that’s if you make it back without being run over by the dodgy driving of the Egyptians.

Note hating on Egyptian, but the last time I was there, the country‘s piles of rubbish stank to heavens high

@ Doha-chap2022

Cairo was fantastic! just very dirty and traffic a nightmare..I find Doha very clean in comparison..

lol@ coming from Cairo, I think it's ok! Uh huh!

I have lived in the Middle East for 4 yrs now..Recently moved to Qatar,I find it ok..Just don't be too fussy and expect what you would have at home..Coming from Cairo I find its ok..But to be honest so long as it clean I'm happy..A home is what you make it at the end of the day!

I have been here now for 75days & regret the second i left my country.

I have never seen such a low standard of quality in the housing & infrastructure as i have seen here.

the cost of rent is amazing for the price of a studio here i could easily rent a delux villa back home.

i have been trying to rent a simple apartment here & have seen over 150 2-3 br(10,000qr's) & my god what a shock to the system.

P.S before i return home in Jan 2012 i would love to see one person be honest to keep his/her apointment & show some customer service.

Try "Y village" near vellagio its new one and very clean with very nice facility.

I so appreciate it. I feel much better already. I am sure you are right and I was just having a wobbly. I can understand how you feel about being lonely in Abu Dhabi. I hope you make some good friends soon. I would love to meet you for a coffee. I am back in AD on Thursday morning. love Erica

Welcome to Qatar RikiTiki, gonna get worse before it gets better (:

I moved to Abu Dhabi after 5 years in Doha, so I guess the transition is a little easier :) The driving is better here in the UAE, as are the accommodation options, so I totally know where you're coming from. Don't let all these negative nancy's on this site get you down, most of them have probably never lived in the UAE and therefore don't know the difference in the quality of living and just think you are complaining for the sake of it.

On the bright side, once you get settled you will find that people are generally friendlier in Doha (which is good cause there isn't much to do! LOL) And that the city is easier to get around once you get your bearings.

Another downside will be when you go to buy your first case of beer though LOL! It's A LOT more expensive in Doha! :)

yes thumbs up... qatar is needing money only yuck.. poor qatar...

I moved out here 3 months ago from the U.k, you soon get used to it. The driving really isn't that bad don't worry and your kids will soon settle in, mine are at DBS and love it. There's loads of things going on for you and your kids to enjoy, the people who moan are the ones who don't go out or take advantage of the many things Doha has to offer. Hope you find what you're looking for and enjoy living in Qatar. It really is a great place to be.

Where is the line "If you don't like it in Qatar just go back" haha!! Welcome to Qatar.. Try the new villas near Al messillah gardens they will meet your standards :)

I moved out here 3 months ago from the U.k, you soon get used to it. The driving really isn't that bad don't worry, your kids will soon settle in, mine are at DBS and love it. There's loads of things going on for you and your kids to enjoy, the people who moan are the ones who don't go out or take advantage of the many things Doha has to offer. Hope you find what you're looking for and enjoy living in Qatar. It really is a great place to be.

AFG are known for better option in Doha. AFG No1 is more green then AFG5. A nice older house though with garden is the bigger villas in Al Nassim close to Ramada, conguested though, with cars. People around us would all recommend a compound that provides good facilities, especially if there are kids in the family.Alfardan No 5 has brilliant facilities, the 5 bedroom has enough backspace to create a very nice "outdoor" room....no garden though. Al Bustan is also a greener option close to Ramada, be careful about newly built compounds that are empty....not nice to live in a empty compound and the management of the compound is not "tested". Green Village could also be an option.

About Riviera Gardens...I lived there a few years ago.

Then it was not very nice. There was a huge hole right before the pool area...so bad, that the road caved somewhat...and there was water in it that stank to the high heavens. Don't know if that hole is still there.

The houses were ok, despite the stench that occured when the pipes were blocked. It smelled like a sewer in the house, we were told to open all taps and let the water run for an hour...yes, I kid you not!

This happened in summer only, as apparently Riviera had a problem with the undergound pipes. don't know if this still is the case now, but I assume it is.

There was a part of the compound that was pretty rough...garbage in the front yards, bit like a council estate, plus the kids were pretty rough too...

Again, I do not know if this is still the case now.

Just though I'd let you know, in case you want to investigate.

Other than that, I recommend the Al Fardan compounds. IMHO they are the nicest ones in Doha.

@ RikiTiki

Mr U Call It A City For Me Its An Old Town In Country Side...

welcome to Qatar.

Riki...if you have to relocate, make it work! i came from saudi and did find Doha a bit of a shock to my system lol. Yes, it is more expensive but it's not too bad really:) I feel that i have settled in nicely and the people here are nice:) Good Luck!!

take the house from abu dhabi and set it up here ....

We live in Al Khor in a private villa. There are lots of villas in the area at a very reasonable price and we like it a lot. We planted our own greenery, have lots of room with a "country" atmosphere, feel quite at home and safe here, and it's not that far from Doha (although most people gasp and say it's so FAR). It's only about 30 minutes north of the West Bay area if you go up the Al Khor highway. Of course, it depends on what you need for your family. PM me if you'd like to find out more. :) MM

for your kindness. Actually I think my meltdown was not really about Doha being so terrible but just the shock of what it felt my life was going to be like with being stuck in traffic for hours. And also mourning the loss of what we have now which is a gorgeous green compound with heaps of communal gardens. It's not perfect by any means.. we don't even have a pool let alone a clubhouse. But the interior is lovely and light and modern and gorgeous. And the kids school 5 minutes by bike!! And I guess I haven't found the compensations of Doha yet. But I am heartened that there are such lovely compensations. And actually I feel quite excited about the prospect of living in Riviera Gardens. Even though it's old I feel happy in that space and I can see us having friends over and entertaining there. It feels natural and organic and GREEN. I wonder if anyone has any comments about the place?

Also BTW - I thought I would never be able to drive here, I was terrifed evey time I got in the car with my husband, absolutely sure we would have a crash, but guess what - I have been driving for six months now and have never had a crash (yet!) but it is true - you do get used to the crazy driving

Hi Rik Tiki

I'm sorry you had such a bad day, we all have them and with the huge life changes on the horizon - no wonder you got overwhelmed for a minute. Don't let those small minded comments on here put you off- this site has a bit of a reputation for ruff posts!!! It is not representative of what life and people here are like. Accomodation is expensive, its true, but often heavily subsidised through work, which helps, and it sounds like the kids are going to go to a great school. There are so many clubs and organisations for them here and the people here are really truely the kindest I have experienced anywhere. You might not believe it today, but I am so sure you are all going to be very happy here. Keep looking - you will find your happy home, promise.

Check whether any sheikh's palace is available for rent.

Please do not come to qatar. You better work in AD

I just can say welcome to Qatar..

Dont feel alone. I was horrified by everything in Doha when we came 6 years ago. I could not believe anyone could even call this a city. However Doha grew on me. Dont worry, soon you will get used to it. I think one's brain adjusts without one even realising it. There was a previous posting which says that maybe because conditions are difficult , people are friendly. I think that is true. Now I love Doha. It has provided us with a lifestyle and opportunities we would not have had elsewhere. Good luck. You are normal.

I moved from UAE to Doha last year and I can only agree with you. Life is quite different (a bit dull) over here and I am not only talking about accommodation. I moved in a brand new compound and still have to get used to rats. Traffic is pure horror, make sure you live close to work and school. Be prepared for lots of paperwork. Be prepared that your employer needs to issue an exit permit every time you want to leave the country. Once settled, it merely becomes impossible to change jobs since the employer will most likely not issue an no objection letter. I would recommend to wait for 2-3 years and hope that the laws loosen up it so the country becomes attractive for Westerners.

about a year ago. Yes, Doha is 10 X more ugly and yes the traffic in Doha is 100 X worse, BUT THE PEOPLE IN DOHA ARE THE BEST!!!!! Living in a difficult place seems to make the people more helpful and kind to one another. Abu Dhabi I have not found to be the same. I so miss Doha. Having a little cry myself :(

We relocated here from Abu Dhabi 3 years ago - and the initial shock wears out quickly, trust me. As for construction standards, you won't find any better. UNLESS you pay a fortune of course. Just relax and get used to it - life is really not bad at all over here and VERY safe for families (unless you get on the streets to drive ;))

It's brand new (so they say). So chances of you seeing those poor finishes would be minimal until the end of your first (or second) year of stay. :)

What about this: http://qatarliving.com/node/2335277

Wonder why you haven't described about the "friendly" driving here or is it that you haven't driven yet.

Your reaction is just normal....I understand you. Just learn to accept that Doha is not Abu Dhabi and you will be fine soon.

with some nice friends and so probably you will be able to enjoy the whole thing. Good luck

Errrr... ummmm.... oh I think that is someone at the door. Got to go bye.

TB,We are all here for our bread and butter, we pray to give us our daily bread,.....we all like our bread hot, .....and yet you didn't see it as hot !

do you think so ? well i can see how much you are happy

they paying you good money you richy lucky man ^^

and who disagree is a liar

Once you settle in , you'll enjoy the place.

Good Luck!

Wow Jack!! I had no idea bread was such a hot topic here.

and bread is much cheaper in the Phil...lol!

Thanks for all your comments.. you are right, of course, and I do feel like a bit of a ninny for posting this. I am having a right royal moan. I am sure I will get used to things over here.. it's just coming over here and having all my wake up calls in one go have left me emotionally shattered and irrational. I will pull myself together. Please stop sending comments about going back to AD or going home... I can't. I am here to support my husband and family, I just want to find a way to be happy myself. Asking me to leave is not helping. Sorry if I have offended anyone. I don't mean to do that.And there are many things to be grateful for... many!

What you have mentioned is perfect !!! and most of the people in Qatar agrees to you.

Ah ha! Got you there Brit. Since I discovered the large toast loaf from London Bakeries here at just QR 6 a go, I have ceased purchasing Kingsmill costing QR 19 a pop. It's British in taste and texture, and nice and thick. That is something less for me to moan about over here. Now I am down to moaning about driving and errr.... hang on a mo... we can get pork now. So driving it is then.

This year i rented unfurnished, saved 3,000 month, went and bought all my own and now 12 months later its all paid for withwhat i saved,,, and its mine and clean and as qwertyness said,, paint the walls, so cheap to do,,,

But bread was cheaper in the UK :O)

Finishes everywhere here are terrible. I mean for starters, have you seen the workforce? They're not exactly highly-skilled. So just accept it.

And as for decoration, well this is the country that taste forgot I'm afraid.

I had more to moan about back in the UK I can tell you

Are you too fussy? maybe. don't get me wrong: living over here, you get good at looking for things like crumbling plaster, leaks under ACs, regular bug extermination, etc. But it sounds like you're talking about asthetics, and. . . . you get what you pay for.

Best advice: look for a place that's unfurnished. By 'finishing' I'm guessing you mean the furniture and art on the walls and stuff is. . . ok, well not great. That happens. It feels like there are three sets of furniture used in all the furnished apartments across the city, and they're all heavy and brown. you can either do what a lot of us do and make it your own with cushions and covers and suck it up, or you can rent unfurnished for far cheaper, and then paint the walls yourself, buy furniture you like, and get over it.

Simple life means simple needs! We use the same fire to cook our foods. Let us be thankful for that!

Well I am happy here

even when i was in Saudi Arabis the value for money is shocking here,,, a good nes compound in saudi ws around 2,000 per month,,, her 17,000 a month. cheaper ones are the dogs bolocks... sorry but this is Qatar one of the many things you will find disapointing..

dude its doha....and ya it us who drive around the doha...

not like it go back 2 abu dhabi

Top up your 20k housing budget with some personal money and live happily in West Bay.

I loved the clubhouse and facilities.. awesome. But the actual villas the finishes were really cheap and nasty. And the rooms were dark and the garden overlooked by a building site. Am I too fussy?

If I could stay in Abu Dhabi I would, trust me. I don't mean to disparage other people's choices. i am just trying to find something comparable to what we have so that everyone in the family will consider the move a positive one and not a loss. Y Village is nice, I agree, and definitely on my list. AND it is also really missing the shared communal gardens that we have currently. That's all.

Thank you for your response.. and yes, you are right. We are moving to Doha because the work is here. And my husband will be happier as a result. I know that it will be alright in the end. I guess i am just mourning the loss of what we have in Abu Dhabi and unwilling to let it go. But let it go, I must!

so you will feel ok. Anyway, why are you moving here, are you forced to move here?

You can't afford Westbay and yet you complain the other villages. Y Village is a new one and I find it nice, now if you find it unattractive, then better not move here.

Let me assume, all those western people living in Al FArdan are what, people with low standard?

The issue is related to the high demands was on apartments & villas before .

Contractor was always in rush to deliver before time which resulted this bad quality of finishing ,also to take in consideration owners where not interested to pay extra money for good finishing especially they will have demands no matter what the building will look .

Nowadays , things are different we start to see a better finishing also for the roads , there are several projects are on going and many are on way .

take it positively , in qatar you will have the chance for a secure future because of solid economy and projects coming .

welcome to qatar

Salalah or Abudabi or Dubai

I actually quite like Beverly Hills Al Rayyan. . . not sure about the other Beverly Hills, but the club house and facilities are great and the apartments are good.