Story from the British Press
By MattyHardingLower •
Apparantly Sainsbury's supermarket has had a number of Muslim cashiers who are refusing to serve customers who are buying alcohol.
It's political correctness gone mad!!!
I spoke with a couple of Muslim friends about this today and they laughed at the state of the British paranoia to Political Correctness.
Its part of the job, you dont like it... get another job.
I tried a different tack this morning in an attempt to decipher what people mean when they call someone a 'hijabette'.
It seems to be directed at the ladies who wear hijab in countries where it isn't customary or necessary to do so and the expression 'hijabette' is used, intended to suggest they are 'not the real thing' but simply playing at being fundamentalists. The young lady in Sainsbury's being an example of a 'hijabette' - troublemaking for the sake of it.
My assumption is made from a couple of things I read together with the following definitions of the suffix -ette (No 3. being the most likely):
-ette
suffix.
1. Small; diminutive: kitchenette.
2. Female: usherette.
3. An imitation or inferior kind of cloth: leatherette.
[Middle English, from Old French, feminine of -et, -et.]
Gypsy would therefore be a 'stripperette' and a mere shadow of the ladies at the Moulin Rouge :P
U have a trip lined up right for SL...i almost forgot...good for u...all set with the arrangements...hotel, flights, tours and stuff...like that...so u traveelling alone is it...
U cud always sleep off on Sheesha cant u girl...
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Not so bad. Counting the days till Sri Lanka next week! I'm debating on going to Sheisha this evening, but I'm a bit sleepy today. So might bail.
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
U r right...u dont do something jus for the sake of it...for that there are still other things to do...do something that u wud enjoy...u wud cherish...we all know that there wud be times when u wudnt be njoying what u r doin...but thats just a passing cloud...
Anyways Gyps...other than strippin thats on ur mind presently...whats on ur cards for the evenin girl...hows Ramadan goin for u..by the way...
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LOL, that's my point KSA! If I didn't want to strip, why would I become a stripper??? If you don't want to sell pork or alcohol don't work at a Sainsburys!
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
Hold on Gypsy...and Jauntie...Gyps...girl if u r a stripper...then why wud u not wanna strip...and come on Jauntie...nobody bothers if u seen Gyps dance...who wants to see her dance...LOL...kiddin Gyps...
I mean going thru this thread...does clear out one thing...if u dont want to work there bcos u have problems of shipping and handling...then u might as well not work there...u r wasting ur time and the precious yrs of life working in a place where u dont want to...u might as well take a time off search for a job that u want to do and live happily ever after...
So who is stripping ladies...(*waiting with hands in all tension and anticipation*)...
Ladies i m jus kiddin...pls no offence...
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There are Christian fundamentalist pharmacists who refuse to distribute or sell birth control...same sh.t.
is coming up soon. That's when you will see political correctness go mad! winter lights etc.
Last year, Abu Dhabi airport was well and truly "decorated for the festive" season, as also was Ataturk International in Turkey.
Gatwick? Apart from an odd Christmas tree put up by individual companies, there was nothing........in case it upset "minority" groups.
Many of the minority group home countries are celebrating it for goodness sake!
Next we will have muslims taking jobs in pubs and not wanting to serve drinks.
Thats what I am going to do ... go to Oddbins, ask for a job, convert and then have a really cushy number. ha ha
What if some looney Christian (and there are a few of those in Qatar!) took a job in a book shop and refused to handle the Qu'ran?
Or if a 7th Day Adventist (really fringe looney) took a job in a restaurant and refused to handle shell fish.
If she doesnt' want to work with pork and alochol - work elsewhere!
Dime - don't need the whole Qu'ranic post... I know your belief. I have eaten lots of pork in my life and have never taken ill or 'behaved with porcine tendencies due to my diet'.
maybe he wants to drink it. dont blame him!
LOL/ That's just cause you've seen me dance Jauntie. :P
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
If you got a job as a stripper *I* wouldn't want you to strip!
KEEP 'EM ON!!!! (yelled the crowd)
Good Morning,
If this is really the issue why would they choose to work in supermarket where such goods are sold, there are other alternatives as cashiers.
Bit of unnecessary aggravation .. hopefully it will all blow over - none of the serious Newspapers bothered with it.
Do you think all the Muslim countries in the world ship their loonies off to the West?? It's beginning to seem like that.
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
I know its already been said, but if she didn't want to handle alcohol she shouldn't be working there. It's a bit like me getting a job as a stripper but not wanting to strip! Makes no sense.
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
Agree, J, she's certainly not doing British Muslims any favours with that kind of malarkey.
There's enough Islamaphobia in the UK in certain areas already which is ecxacerbated by the majority of the UK press.
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for the clarification viz a viz handling haram goodies
As the writer of that article I posted suggested she was probably just being rather mischievous. Not a credit to her in the present climate! I wonder who ran to the tabloids with the story ... hmmm
Why on earth was she working there in the first place if she did not want to handle alcohol? Silly woman.
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Some Muslims are more free-thinking and follow their own conscience. Others feel the need to blindly follow the opinions of scholars down to the letter. This employee sounds like she is doing that. There is a very strong view among imams and scholars-at least the ones I've heard- that to make an income related to haram behavior such as drinking,using,selling alcohol(or pork,pornography,whatever)is not acceptable. If she is so hardcore she should have known this. I think she is just trying to make a political stink.
This issue was big in my town in the United States. Was it ok for Muslims to serve (or even touch) alcohol while working as waiters? Some did, some didn't. It was a personal decision.
I'm now confused ... you say "it is hypocritical and haram of the employee to be taking money from a company that profits from pork and alcohol sales. Her income is not blessed."
Sounds like the type of talk which started the News Articles off in the first place!
It's surely not haram to work for a living. And although it is haram to eat pork and drink alcohol, I don't think handling a bottle or a sealed package would be deemed haram, would it?
Oryx - You are wrong. All the animals in the animal souq are given a daily shower by their owners irrespectine of their religion :)
it is hypocritical and haram of the employee to be taking money from a company that profits from pork and alcohol sales. Her income is not blessed. Surely she knew that the store sold pork items and has handled them?
On another note concerning the huge beef recall in the States- a public health official said you can't just say that you can cook the E coli away. If you have meat contaminated with a deadly pathogen it must be disgarded.
and if you cook 'pig' at high temperature it kills all the diseases present. Nomads had no access to those sort of temperatures when dragging their lunch across the desert. Jews have the same 'law' and, of course, also came from the Arab lands where food would have gone off faster in the heat after slaughter.
I never heard of any huge numbers of Europeans dying from eating Pork more than death associated with eating any other animal which may have impurities or isn't cooked sufficienty etc.
ho ho ho! The post I put here was a cut and paste (I showed the source at the bottom of it).
I've tried googling the word, but still don't understand quite what it means.
That same site (when I typed in hijabette) came up with a few references - maybe you can make head or tail of it. One minute I read it as 'bimbo' the next as 'strict hijab wearer'. I think it's probably the latter, meaning a bit fundamental about things.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_search.cfm
The Great and Almighty, has forbidden pork and stated its impurity! He Says (interpretation of meaning): {Say (O Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam): "I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maitah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of swine (pork); for that surely is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allah (or has been slaughtered for idols or on which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But whosoever is forced by necessity without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits; (for him) certainly, your Lord is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful".} [6:145].
Shari'a gives no any specific justification for such prohibition except the Qur'anic term "Rijs", which means impurity and dirt from linguistic point of view. But, in Shari'a, it means dirt, abomination and taboo. It also means each and every action that is refused by sound disposition. He Says: {…, and prohibits them as unlawful Al-Khaba'ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods), …} [7:157].
So, everything that which Allah has prohibited is noxious and repulsive. Furthermore, noxious things indicate everything that spoils man's life: in his health, property or morals.
In past, Muslims had no detailed information concerning noxiousness of pig or cause of prohibition. Then, modern scientific studies provide us with important information concerning diseases and harmful germs that are spread originated by pig. Among these harmful are germs and a tapeworm called "Treichine" (trichina) which grows in the flesh of swine and occupies human intestines resisting all medicines used to discharge it. Also, such an armed tapeworm may cling within one's muscles, resisting medicine to remove it. Thus, science gives a clear-cut justification for prohibition of the flesh of swine and wisdom becomes visible.
According to Larousse, a French encyclopedia, the noxious worm "Treichine" (trichina) passes along the human body heading for heart, and then, settles in one's muscles, especially in chest, eye, throat and midriff, where its embryos remain alive for years.
In addition to what is mentioned above, science may give much more information about diseases caused by swine.
Here, it is very important to state that Islam does not endorse a claim of those who think that modern technical supervision over breeding, feeding and housing of pigs can kill such germs.
Since scientific research is continuous and developing, this leads us to believe in more possible harms of eating pork will be discovered; and herein lies the ultimate prohibition of Shari'a, whether we know or do not know the reasons and wisdom behind it.
As a final word, even if it is possible to raise pigs free from such defects and harms in some or many places in modern world, it is impossible have such a state worldwide; even so the everlasting Shari'a rulings are suitable for all times and all places.
Thus, the prohibition was general and comprehensive.
oh and a Qatari once pointed out to me....
I know pigs are dirty it says so in the Qu'ran but if you go down to the animal Souq, wallah, you don't see many clean sheep or goats...
I liked that statement a lot - made me laugh.
first of all if the cashiers are that religious they shouldn't be working for an organisation that profits from pork and alcohol.
secondly why don't they find a job in saudi?
thirdly and most importantly it was reported in the Daily Mail which i wouldn't even put in a cat litter tray as it hypocritically tries to be the vox populi of the public - stirring up 'human interest stories' from bollix all.
i know words hijab ... but no idea about hijabette ... i think Jauntie made that one up :P
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What is "hijabette" ???
well said Medway...spot on.
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hmm, J, new to me to...is it perhaps the Muslim equivalent of 'bachelorette' :)
Now there's an idea for a new TV reality show!
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It must be true!!!
The Daily Mail must be the most racist newspaper available in the UK. They probably couldn't think of any more cr*p about Princess Diana that day and so thought, "I know, lets slag off the muslims instead..."
Sky News is a tabloid news channel who will put anything on the screen to keep viewers, sometimes making stories out of nothing, and as for The Times - well that is owned by the same bloke who owns Sky News....
I rather like the word 'hijabette' :D Is there such a word?
ROFL, if this is true, it's so funny it's ridiculous!!! If they don't want to handle alcohol (or pork...plenty of people in UK supermarkets buying their pork sausages or their bacon rashers for a fry-up...do these people also balk at the idea of handling pork!!!) then they are clearly working in the wrong environment. Plenty of places to work in the UK that have nothing to do with alcohol or pork...oh dear me!_______________________________________________________
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out of topic a bit ... once when we went to KL ... we bough a pork product ... in a seal package. The muslim cashier looks at it with disgusted face ... she already wear glove ... still putting a plastic bag into her palm for an 'extra protection' in order to handle to pork product we bought into the carrier bag.
So yes i do believe with that story ... not surprised really ...
C'mon on guys .. do anyone saw that by his eyes?? or do this happened to anyone of you?!?
coz i can't believe 100% in news paper ... they always trying to grab the attention .. I don' think it's true, Uless it appened to someone of you =).
It looks like just one person is causing the problem, according to that article I just posted here, NOT the Press :D
"I suspect this has been implemented after one, and one only difficult employee objected and that she is taking great delight in watching the infidel jump through fiery hoops for her delectation."
That comment by Ghayasuddin Siddiqui probably sums it up.
The Iconoclast
Monday, 1 October 2007
Muslim checkout staff can refuse to sell drink
This story is reported in The Sun, the Daily Mail and the London Evening Standard (who are effectively the same publication), on the This is London website.
Muslim supermarket checkout staff have been given the right to refuse to sell alcohol to customers.
At least one chain has allowed workers to call in a colleague to take their place when customers are buying beer, wine or spirits.
Those with religious objections to selling drink have been asked to raise their hands so that a colleague can step in.
Staff have also been allowed to avoid stacking shelves with alcohol.
The system by which a checkout worker can raise their hand to avoid selling alcohol - much in the same way staff under 18 have to raise their hand to get the permission of a supervisor to sell drink - has been introduced by Sainsbury's.
The chain operates the practice at at least one store in North London, according to The Sun this is Swiss Cottage, where one checkout worker is regularly replaced by Muslim colleagues who are prepared to sell alcohol and handle packages or bottles containing it.
Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "By selling alcohol you are not committing a sin. You are just doing the job you are paid for. Muslim employees have a duty to their employer and in supermarkets most people would accept that in selling alcohol you are merely passing it through a checkout. That is hardly going to count against you on the day of judgement."
The Sun also quotes Muslim leader Ghayasuddin Siddiqui who called it “over-enthusiasm”.
I suspect this has been implemented after one, and one only difficult employee objected and that she is taking great delight in watching the infidel jump through fiery hoops for her delectation.
I do not ever recall hearing of Methodist cashiers objecting to scanning alcohol, or Jewish cashiers objecting to scanning pork or shellfish. I expect ham and pork will be this hijabette’s next objection.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/10471
hey MattyHardingLower.. i didn't say that you are starting any rumours my friends .. you know some news agencies cause wars =) . like Al-Jazeera Channel .. So what i want to say it's a Media Games =).. that's it!!
it's nothing to do with you my friend =) .. and sorry if i said something in wrong way .. coz still begginer as i said =)
but im not starting any rumour or attempting to try to sour the relationship between Qatar and the UK. I hardly think this would cause the falling out of two Countries anyway.
It was reported in The Mail, The Times on Sunday, and Sky News.
My point is i thought it was only the consumption of alcohol that was forbidden , not the handling.
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I don't think it's true and as you know Qatar has a good relations with UK and also they bought "i mean Qatar" around 60% of Sainsbury's shares and also paid all loans they got.
Depending on the previous introduction .. i think there are people who trying to "i don't find the good word" .. but to make it "the relation" bad betwwen them "Qatar and UK" by this kind of rumers.
sorry for my poor English .. still begginer.