The Veil - Sheer Danger on the Roads ! ! !

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well you have problem with veiled women right , why didnt you send a letter to traffic dept, may  be they would have come up with grt ideas how to curb road accidents, It will be good idea to keep veiled women corpses all around Doha

  instead of minced wrecked vehicle.

Hey there Eco, the next time you say something I guess then you gotto be watching your words...

Hey what all I do on QL is part of the fun routine....ok now did I ever ask you anything absurd or rather lets say perverse...I dont recall, so next time zara zabaan ko lagaam dejiye..

Cos the next time for sure I dont think I will be nice...

And hey if you find my way of having fun on QL offensive, then girl, you seriously need to sit back in your house, and read your holy books...if thats what give you peace of mind, cos I Really really dont recall any other lady on here who seems to have a problem...so now, Beat it girl...

when i say something I mean it !Krishn kanaya

Hey girl, what you said in my absence about roadside romeo, was that part of your little sarcasm funny self or was it something real you had mentioned...

Thats what I wanna clarify...

and you better clarify with me right now

Alright people, fair enough for the discussions...

First of all, ECO-Savvy, what you just mentioned about me being a roadside whatever, was I assume Sarcastic, can I> or were you serious, of you were, then trust me for a fact that you would have had it from me champ...I would await that clarification tomorrow morning, cos I really dont think your cheezy azz is online at this point ... is it...

And for the rest, wait a min, Abu, hey buddy, good to know your wife drives fine with the veil, but then again didnt I mention there are both the good and the bad part...your wife is luckily in the good part

And people, dont turn this thread into a place to discuss your dos and donts about the religion, so beat it people...

Forget the Niqab issue - how many people aren't wearing their glasses when they need them for driving.

I have students who can't see the board due to poor eyesight and don't wear glasses and are driving home.....

The Niqab in my experience is only dangerous when you are trying to smoke a cigarette whilst driving.

 I am not aware of any dancing head niqabs. If they do then its really dangerous driving and adjusting you head gear all the time.

PM I didnt say my face is awrah but if someone's face is then it should be covered. For reference there are  plenty of Hijab topics in QL itself where ppl have discussed beauty even in hijab, just few days B4 some Called Sheikha Mozah........ isnt she attractive . Almost all men in Middle east discuss her

just like world admired Lady Diana

Abu..thats fine if your wife has mastered driving with niqab, you are free to trust her judment over mine , feel free, personally i ve tried niqab and found it very difficult to even walk in, let alone drive as i i find it very restrictive, each to their own i guess.....

PM if u say so. U have your opinion. When someone tries to make a difference, u people give them names like police or mullas... 

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lol PM im never gonna be one of them, I hate them. But I will correct something that would put every arabs neck on the line. I dont support niqab and I dont like the idea of it, cuz its extreme, but at the same time i dont support terrorism, which the title of this thread "COULD" represent..

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The niqab certainly does limit your vision to a degree and to think otherwise is naive. However i can honestly say that in all the time i have been in Q, most of the near miss accidents and people cutting you off etc have always been by males, hence it has a lot to do with the style of driving .

Although i have been accidently knocked about frequently by women wearing niqab whilst out and about, i wonder now if this has to do with the vision.

Theres nothin wrong with removing the niqab piece of the face whilst driving and putting in back on when you reach your destination.

Eco, the face is not awarh, if you want to wear niqab thats fine your choice, but dont say its awrah when it cleary states in the quran you can show your face and hands...

For the record i dont think ksarat is criticising women with veils, it is just a logical question considering all the "kissing of cars" he went through..

Why turn everything into an issue...

Friend who is from Patna, she says since her Hubby is working for QP ( Engineer) we dont observe purdah (she doesnt know the word hijab)

Mr paul - yes i figured you were , i just had to go 'yank' yr leg for a bit there....lol >brb am stuffin me face with  some apple crumble and vanilla ice-cream  here , want some???

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

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"Anyone who say justice doesn't come from the barrel of a gun obviously has never had a chance to shoot a child molestor."

alain - april fool's day is long gone.......ormaybe she was darned LUCKY huh?

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

...she was doing this pocket parking thing, and knocked all the posts behind her.... and guess what.......................SHE PASSSSSSSSSED!!!!!!! 

***** I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. ******

excuse me mr paul that must be someone else not moi......

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

dweller, greeker,QT, Hashin I mean decent guys.

Ksarat is roadside/shopping mall Romeo, due to Qatar's strict law he has no choice but to be Romeo online and be cyber emperor. From early morning to noon he is just chasing girls ( now editing all your post is titanic Ksarat)

Frustration level goes high at interchange when veiled woman is around.

they are just the cause of the accident... 

***** I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it. ******

How many of you have tried driving with a veil ? They can be the best judges if a veil obstructs the vision while driving or not !

Rest is just speculation, guys.  However strong you may feel against people driving with veils, your opinion is just speculation and nothing else !

Hummer, forcing people off the roads, shouting at them to move out of yer way or you will run over them...

Ban women now !!!

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"Anyone who say justice doesn't come from the barrel of a gun obviously has never had a chance to shoot a child molestor."

ksarat - it seems that no matter how hard you try people keep bringing up lack of consideration/over-aggressiveness/poor driving skills, etc, etc, so on and so forth!

COME ON PEOPLE - we know these exist as well, but this thread is about the effect of the veil on visibility while driving.

mr paul, no no i have to drive if i dont i shall go nuts , pls dont make them decide that women should not drive pls..........>says a lil prayer so women may still drive..... 

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

Its probably not the veil, but the lack of consideration for other drivers.

Make it like Saudi, ban these  women, women are evil and a menace on the roads !

Society doesnt need women drivers....

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"Anyone who say justice doesn't come from the barrel of a gun obviously has never had a chance to shoot a child molestor."

Been away for a while.

In India the proportion of women who drive cars are much lower compared to Qatar. I have never seen a woman drive a car wearing a veil. I know lots of muslim women who drive and none of them wear a veil.

I think it is progression. It depends on which angle you take - religious or other.The proportion of muslim women in India wearing veils has reduced a lot. The practice is prevalent in middle and lower-middle income families, it is vanishing in high-income families. Nobody makes a big fuss of it.

That's what I meant in my previous post. Movies show a society that is non-existent.

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

Alright girl, cheers, nice talking to ya ...... NOT...LOL...kidding...alright so I get to keep your pillows right...LOL....sorry this time for being naughty...ha ha...

Alright buddy, cheers, and do come down in the evening to reveal the face behind the mask...;)

Cheers and have a good day...

Can't sit looking at this screen anymore...this machine of mine has no charge in it... throws three more pillows at you before going away Ksarat16...Ye got no time to catch em

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Fembot...*catching the pillow*, first of all where is my pat on the back for such a wonderful dialogue...

And hey you still thinking about the coming or not part...I thought you already are coming...sheeeesh...girl so slow in making a decision, wouldnt want to enquire your timing on shopping...LOL...and what girls you talking about...o your friends...now you are talking sense alright...LOL

"why not take the stupid thing off to drive or to eat"

Mind your words... don't forget your words speaks for you !

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what about the ones wearing helmets while driving the bikes?

any comments on that.

at the end of the day it is how you drive that matters not whether one was wearing a veil or not. if you see most of the accidents are by people wjho dont cover their faces. what do you say about that?

I hadn't said a thing of that sort *Throws this pillow that am sitting on at you. snicker snicker... and about the evening... I'll have to think about it... Probably I'll bring my other friends (girls) to come too (just to be safe :) )

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Now now watch it...

What do you mean rough guys, hell girl, we are as smooth as you can get...look at the way we talk to girls on QL...(thats just a start by the way...LOL)....O dont worry, you should be able to survive the evening...we take every girl very specially, dont mix them, dont relate them at all...LOL...and ofcourse above all, we treat every girl with ...ummm...with love, affection...LOL...

Execuse me girl, but what do I sound like a memory tape to you, I just remember that 'cos lets face it, you mentioned about looking good...LOL...after that whatever goes on is something that I'm blind, deaf and dumb to...LOL...

So now what do you think...dont be a chicken, instead show us the chick you are...(now come on, wasnt that a superb line, you have to accept it...*waiting for the pat on my back*...LOL)

What am I thinking? I was just imagining all the rough guys - Ksarat16, Darude :O and smokey with this gentle girl...its just a scary feeling...Just wondering if I would survive that evening...Now I just don't remember exclaiming about "looking good' I just don't. What else did I say Ksarat16?

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But the name is Ksarat16 and not Kasarat...oooo sounds awful...LOL...

Andyes I remember you exclaiming frantically about looking good...now come on wont you come to the evening tonight and meet us all, so we can all get stumped me, DaRude, Smokey, and the rest...

So what you thinking...LOL...

yes am talking about Niqab (covering the face) ... not hijab !

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I didn't say that Kasarat!  

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Sure Life aint fun without Events and commotion from time to time...

And naa...I didnt mean sowwie at all with that no offence terms...was just still playing around...and I do remember from a way loing back ago that you did mention that you were something that would surely cause disturbance while on roads....o come on accept it girl, didnt you say that...way long back when you first joined the site...LOL...

And yes onto the topic, surely it aint stupid, cos its religiously bound, and hell no shud anyone disregard it, its just that it doesnt belong to the roads entirely...

No offence taken Kasarat Btw, i like some commotion. life ain't fun without it. peace!

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deedee, driving with it is a different thing. They can have it over them if they want at the food court as along it has nothing to do with others. lets be thoughtful when we say things like "why not take the stupid thing off to drive or to eat" For one, its not a stupid thing and some women consider it a privilege too.

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Hey Fembot, nope, I didnt mean offence there that you banged me with your car, see I told ya you dont need to wear Veil....to disturb traffic...

Ok alright, no offence meant alright, but I just couldnt help not playing...but seriously, with all the commotion you cause in traffic, you would be a sight to see...eyyy girl...LOL...;)

How can you judge other's vision?

First,  I am in total agreement that the veil hinders perepheral Vision and is dangerous for a lady to be wearing while driving.  Both for others and Herself.

Second,   a couple days ago I was at the food court at City center.  It was quite amusing for me to watch a veiled lady have to lift up her veil (quite an effort) an manuever her hamburger underneath it to find her mouth.   How annoying must that be.    I totally understand modesty and staying true to your religion, but since the veil has nothing to do with Islam,   why not take the stupid thing off to drive or to eat.   Give me a break.

lol i don't get what ecosavy is talking about but thanks speed .. I enjoyed reading it. Am not a muslim but I've always been blessed by true muslims speaking words of truth...some cool words of truth...like  "Allah has not revealed religion to make life difficult"

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 Speed we are talking about niqab not hijab.

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if you face is awrah then you need to cover it.

It is important to remember that the purpose of hijab in Islam is not to cut women out from participating in the activities of the society or to keep men and women utterly segregated or to make it hard for women to function normally in life. Rather the purpose of hijab is to help women maintain their dignity and honor as free persons and to help them fulfill their obligations smoothly and comfortably.

So the requirements of hijab are never oppressive or restrictive in any way... here are the requisites of hijab or proper Islamic attire for women !

1. It should cover her whole body except face and hands.

2. It should be loose-fitting.

3. It should not be transparent or revealing.

4. It should not be an attire specifically worn by men only.

So long as your attire fulfills the above conditions, you don’t have to

worry. Remember Allah has not revealed religion to make life difficult;

rather it is intended to make it easy and comfortable for us. Allah

says: (He has not laid upon you in religion any hardship) (Al-Hajj 22: 78). (Allah wishes to lighten the burden for you; for certainly man has been created weak!) (An-Nisaa’ 4: 28).

For more details about Hijab (Women Islamic Dress) 

Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503547724

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 or uneducated.

quote Indian muslim women who can afford cars don't wear veils unquote

Which part of state have you been?? Bihar???

Allrite time for me to wear my spiderman mask and drive... wonder what would happen lol

c u ppl around 

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hey quit having fun pickin' on me Kasarat...*puts my car in reverse and bangs into your car...now take that take that

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Tallg u might be a liberal person, but there are alot of people who dont think like u.

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or maybe you just need to pray so hard that GOD keep you away with this road accidents while driving... I know that accidents are accidents & can not be avoided or prevented but at least we can eliminate those problems if they just improved their traffic rules, drivers be more sensitive & responsible for each others lives.  i read some of their traffic rules like "NO USING OF CELPHONES WHILE DRIVING" but it seems NOT ALL DRIVERS TAKING THIS RULES SERIOUSLY!

Its only here in Qatar i see drivers enjoying talking to their celphones, while 1 leg up! (I wonder how they can step in the break immediately if they need to stop!) Unless they have 3 feet’s! lol And even traffic police sees this drivers violations & they dont mind them! 

"Even if  LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."

No probs if you don't want to reply to me thexonic, but as I read it you were saying that the title of this thread is "gives muslims a bad name" and "represents terrorism" (your words in both cases). I was trying to argue that I don't think that is the case.

Apologies if I somehow mis-read the meaning of your comments.

KH, again I totally understand it is not just limited to the Veil, but by far in this topic, I was just talking about that, what other points you have mentioned do also cause hazards, but then again, I didnt limit to the Veil but I havent taken out the hazards completely out of the veil either...

So your points as much as they are well recieved by me and others, what I tried to raise is just a small point that blocking diaphram of vision or rather periphery vision due to the Veils is something that cant go unnoticed while driving, since they ladies just dont take notice of the surroundings because of that limited vision...

Thexonic, again I did accept your view about the way you felt about the title of the topic, but again, I rest my say mentioning that this Title of the Topic and the discussions herewith stated below have only got to do with Viel and its related (Possible) Driving Hazards, and not limited to Only Arabs, but any nationality wearing that and driving,

And I think Smokey, Gyps both of them have never limited their side of the discussions to Arabs only, I remember smokey mentioning any woman wearing a veil, and Gyps mentioning that Women, Veil and Driving dont seem to be going hand in hand...

And as for Tallg: well he is again right there, he has been only talking about Vision, Distortion, Images and Veil, Women, Driving only...

And for Fembot: Well she is someone who causes Vision disturbance by her sheer presence on the roads...(I'm telling ya girl, I have to see why the disturbance...LOL),

Cheers...

I dont have to give any explaination to anyone, my aim was to only limited to ksarat and he agreed. My job's done there. For the rest of the people, u guys say these things now, but when the real time comes most of the people support what's on tv and the false media. 

 Tallg I wont respond to your post, cuz it has nothing to do with what I was tryiing to prove.

 Smoke if u want something related to the topic... then like KH said, smoking is also dangerous on the road. 

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wow whoami! But you know, I like that woman! seen only gentle women all my life

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thexonic - I'm not quite sure how you've read so much into this thread!!! The title couldn't make it any clearer that the thread is about how wearing the veil while driving causes a danger. And Ksarat has done his utmost to keep the thread on that topic and that topic only. No one has suggested the veil should be banned outright, just that it causes a danger while driving. Stop making a issue where there isn't one.

Getting back to veils, I imagine even the ones which don't cover the eyes can cause a reduction in vision as the material comes right up to the side of the eye, blocking periphery vision to the extreme left and right.

The fact that Kuwait has done something about this (according to an earlier poster) shows that there is an issue.

whoami

another wtf moment :P ??? 

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From the start of the title to the details of the thread we are all discussing one thing and there u jump in with the whole terrorist thing and what not? YOU my friend are far from the topic at hand :) 

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women truly are agressive.

I was signalling to turn into a parking on the left but this woman in a car kept honking and flashing. So I stuck my head out to look at her.

I then moved a bit and she parked right next to me and was eyeballing me.

I had three guys in the car with me too. She looked like an old mother too and I was shocked.

If we were some messed up guys we could have smashed her car up in anger. lol.

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Hi guys/gals,

Movies don't reflect true India in any way. Indian muslim women who can afford cars don't wear veils. I haven't seen one.

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

Again I totally accept, that if a person wants to drive no matter what properly, veil or no veil wouldnt matter, but then most of the times, for talking about Vision, the Veil surely poses a threat mate...isnt it>?

No dear. you cannot limit it to veil. The points I have mentioned earlier have the same effect like a veil, so it is inappropriate to talk about veil only.

Smoking a cigarette while driving could be more dangerous.

A lady with high heal could be more dangerous.

Let aside drugs and alcohol.

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incase u didnt notice, that was before I came out and said something about terrorism...

Gypsy: his intentions were clear, his title represents terrorism, not ladies in veil driving... not even close.

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xonic and i'm refering to lady drivers who wear veils in other parts of the world as u mentioned, the veiled ladies in India driving cars to the veiled ladies in Afghanistan riding camels :)  

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 Thexonic, he says "the Veil: Sheer Danger on the Roads" I don't see how he could have made it any clearer what he was saying.  I think you're being overly sensitive.

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Smoke... i was refering to veil being dangerous... that only refers to arab ladies and i wasnt saying anything about driving cars.

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Looks like a good opportunity for someone to design/develop special driving veils that don't impede vision.

Entrepreneur anyone? 

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

xonic regarding ur point i'd say its not only arab ladies who wear the veil so lets say its some other national wearing a veil and driving a car..it still brings us to the same point of how to some extent the veil can be a hazardous to driving. 

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Something that is way beyond my thoughts for once...LOL...

Whilst I partially agree to your side of the discussion Thexonic, somehow I really dont feel the push to Edit the Title...unless the Moderator wants to do it, which is fine with me...but I personally dont want to change the Title for a simple reason that as many as there are dumn people out there looking for excuses and hits on the Arabs, I think I am looking at this topic and the Forum on the whole in their own individualities and I for one, feel that this topic is something to create a little sense to the number of men and women on this forum who have females drivers wearing the Veil to be a little more cautious thats all...nothing for them and nothing against them, I stand neutral on grounds ...

Cheers...

I rest my case, but plz next time dont put up any titles that gives muslims a bad name.

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I'm sayin it could've been something else, something more appropriate... When people search, they look for such excuses to pull the legs of arabs and this title is the perfect catch. Alot of people do judge the book by their covers, some idiot might aswell do a search and find your article, but instead of reading the whole thing, he'd be like see i knew arabs were terrorists.

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Hey man, what you are thinking has gone way tooo big man...

I think none of us here, have or are thinking on lines that Big...

I mean keeping in view with the current situation of life that we are in...LOL...nope, step by step brother is the way to go...not tooo far ahead...

And again, man, the topic title, and the article, and the point being driven down here, is quite related to each other...

 No thexonic the whole issue is about the veil while driving.

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 Thexonic the whole issue is about how the veil impedes vision while driving, nothing else.  If ghosts were causing accidents I'm sure we could talk about that, but I've never heard of a ghost causing an accident, while I have heard of the veil causing some.

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Just a thought ....if you know intentions then why are you reacting so much just for tittle.......

Looks like everybody got the point he was trying to make ,isn't it?

NTN...firstly, girl come on spare me on my preferences now...LOL...sheeeesh...

Smokey,,cheers man, got that right...

Thexonic...I mean now thats a title which is quite like it man, its very appropriate...Ghosts...on Roads...naaa...not helping, I mean I am sure people reading this thread title ( I know I'm targetting the Veil), and then the article, ofcourse I am targetting the Veil man, its just tooo dangerous to wear it while driving is my simple observation, again there is good and there is bad, but sometimes atleast in this case, the Bad prevails over the Good...

Again, totally not related to Culture and Customs...

again the drivers with the VEIL the key word here again is "THE VEIL" so whats a danger to roads with regard to drivers with veils..oh yes THE VEIL ;)

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we r not discussing veils while driving, we r discussing something bigger than that. The title could represent women in veil carrying sucide bombs on the roads or something similar, it is generalising the whole concept of veils and when veils and danger come togather, they directly represent arab women or terrorism. This is what I am point out at look at the bigger picture missy.

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Ksarat, I know ur intentions were not towards the veil, but to the drivers inside those veils. So why pick such offensive title man. Why not something appropriate like "The ghosts - sheer danger on the road" or something like that. The first impression goes on the veil and u know how ignorant people r in this country.

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i think Xonic is suddenly missing the whole point here!! lol chill man again no ones insulting the veil in regards to ANYTHING else...simply  that it may cause a lady to not see properly from the sides, in regard to DRIVING. and as far as the title goes of course its related to the discussion unless my english is really that bad :( 

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Correct........

Thexonic thats what i said he is talking about safety of driver with veil and safety of others.......not veil in general.......

KSA cant have problem with veil otherwise ,he has made his preference very clear........LOL

Thexonic, first of all again you are missing the point, Gypsy is different and Gypsygal is different...Gyps is the boss of Qatar Happening...so two different people there...

And again now back to my topic, hey buddy, tell me you didnt read my last post where I clearly mentioned I aint talking about religion or customs or cultures or traditions man I am just talking about Veil and Road...simple...

and I really wonder why do you say the Title of the topic is wrong, come on man, find me a reason, ofcourse the article is all about driving with the Veil on, and nothing else...and the title is clearly mentioned "Veil - Sheer Danger on the ROADS", now this title is quite apt for me to think I 'm the one who wrote this and I am talking about Veil and Roads Safety, but for once as well I dont recall meself to be thinking about removing Veils totally, I just told it, as Gyps mentioned, Veil and Driving should not go hand in hand....

don't wear Veils only for driving purpose or to create trouble on the road ... anyway, i'm out of here ...you guys can continue ... good luck ...

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

 Nuns dont' wear veils.  And we are discussing veils while driving, not veils whilst doing anything else. 

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Dont tell me you people havent been to weddings where the bride and bridegroom are eloping off, ofcourse the girl wears a veil and then they get married, but yes tough to believe that it happens all while driving...LOL...

nottoknow and gypsy gal, I was asking in the sense that they should ban the veil from all over teh planet, regardless of what relegion or culture do women come from shouldn't they ?, since veils r the problem, Nuns should stop wearing them, muslim women should stop wearing them, even hindu women shuldn't wear them.... Cuz it is a "sheer danger on the roads"... the whole point is, if u r mocking the veil in general, take a look at who else would be offended.  Again, its not the article thats a problem, its the title. "The Veil - Sheer Danger on the Road" the title has nothing to do with the article.

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Thats thexonic  ......must have seen one of animated comic movie.

I do agree we have different tradition of weddings but I m yet to figure out where in India do they get married driving with veil....LOL

Pal its not the veil, its the mind...most of the ppl not using there mind while drivingi have seen men without veil also doing the same thing....they r only driving with there hands and feet, thats y it is called SENSELESS driving.....

Gyps: ROFLMAO, sure did give me a good laugh with your one-liner there girl...

Hey Thexonic, dont mind me but did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today, I aint giving the veil a bad name buddy, did I ever enter a post where they say about Veils, what was that word of your topic lastnite, Empowerment, freedom, liberty, etc etc, modernisation...I aint talking about all those aspects at all, man, All I m saying is about Veils in regards to the danger on roads...

Come on man, stop diverting, you have to gotto give me a benefit of doubt mate, the veil is nothing for me to question about in regards to religion and customs, and traditions and cultures, but surely when it is on the roads it sure poses a threat to ones using it, and others as well...

am i not correct NTN, Gyps...

not really doc, few  ladies i know at the gym are totally veiled and they do drive and they do say it can be a prob sometimes as they dont see so well but since they are req to wear it and they do wanna drive  too.

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

 I've seen ones drive with the complete face cover.  I've also seen them drive with the veil then HUGE dark glasses.  There is no way these women can see properly.

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KSA there created a mess again!!!!!!!! when would you stop?????

Thexonic I don't know whats KSA point but yes women wearting veil during wedding don't drive........

I guess here the point is safety of others not veil

The completely covered veil is mostly out these days. Most of the ones used don't cover the eyes. I haven't seen anyone drive with veils completely covering their eyes.

Am I seeing things right? 

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

 I didn't know people in India got married while driving a car.  What an interesting tradition.

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I have Qatari female friends KH. I know. I wore it to a outing with them once and tell you the truth i wasn't very comfortable and they said they have gotten used to it.

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Well not at all buddies, I think King, this thread for sure will not turn into a heated discussion atleast with us buddies in this...I dont know for anyone else...

But KH, as much as you may be right or wrong, what Gyps said is absolutely true, a Veiled woman is like the covered Horse...again, buddy, I'm sure there are lovely drivers out there...but then you have to consider the little bit obvious isnt it...there are good and bad in both sides...but this one, the dangers are a bit more...

Again I totally accept, that if a person wants to drive no matter what properly, veil or no veil wouldnt matter, but then most of the times, for talking about Vision, the Veil surely poses a threat mate...isnt it>?

No one's fighting, I am just sorting out the mess that Ksarat has started. Giving a veil bad name... In that case the veil should be banned all over the world, even in india, why do they wear veils when they get married or someone dies as per what I've seen in indian movies??? they shouldnt, they are dangerious while driving right???  

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it is not simple as you say. there are different types of veils, hence diffent levels of transparency. Same like the sunglasses. They are not all the same.

have u ever wondered how the veiled ladies manage to walk and shop having the veils?

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Hey Smokey, well surely did hear about that, but always believed in a simple thing that, a lot can happen over a coffee...

Zyga, well girl, for me, your cousins are always right there - top spot...

Fembot: O cheers girl, business like, a cozy word, thanks for that, would use that from now on, and o yeah speaking about romance, well... no comments...

Alriht back to my thread...

Exactly. Gyps;...driving and the veil causes a lot and they should be removed off the roads...

Now you know what i meant........LOL

Wow KSA you are out of your goodmorning,goodnight,weekend topics.....LOL

Now you are creating controversies.....hehehe I guess this is why everybody celebrate 3000 points

Please, putting the veil on has the same effect of putting blinders on a horse.  They  can't see out the sides.

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Can any of you veiled ladies out here give your experience driving with the veil. For someone wearing the veil most of the time vision may not be limited.

Men/women with vision problems wear small glasses these days and the peripheral vision is really poor - you need to turn your head to see sideways. Is the veil any worser than wearing glasses?

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

I agree with KH.

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As i can see that this thread is going out of control and I don't want it to get changed into another fighting area where all would be just plainly punching and kicking each other ...

In general it has nothing to do what you wear, it has to do with how do you drive. Even if she is covering her face, if she had an accident, can she still run away with that? I don't think so ...

It started discussing this issue with sensible comments and opinions, then hijacking and ... it is going somewhere that we all don't want it to end up this way.

Paging KSA, yo buddy ... Need your help here ...

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

I just tried KH. I put a dark transperant cloth over my face. You bet I can see way better using sunglasses. 

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it so happened that KSA had those instances with veiled ladies.

I do not agree that veil is the reason. Would like to know if any of you who is criticizing this knows how the vision looks like using the veil.

I have seen many ladies like that and they were driving perfectly. Some are like crazy.

you know that wrong maneuvers by drivers could be due to many reasons:

Ignorance

Carelessness

Distorted thinking

Vehicle's blind spots

Drinking

Busy with phone/conversation/audio set and similar reasons.

In my opinion. A veil would give the effect of sunglasses or dark tinted glass.

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Kasarat was just being buisness-like smoke ;) the romance would come later

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for me and my cousins !!! shame on you  - sending coffee invites left right and centre...........

Sorry 1 small hijack wont do it again !

 Well it's true KSA, I think if you choose to wear the veil then you should give up your driving rights.  IT's not fair to endanger others.

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Btw I am defending the veil and I dont even approve of them wearing the mask. It's the mask that's the problem not the veil. 

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Sorry guys....i was just picturing myself getting a water shortgun and chasing em all men in this thread down the roads 

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Proudly 1001 points in QL yeeey! uppps this is another point....

"There's nothing we can do to change the past, if it teaches  you a lesson profit from it then, forget it."

freaking ksarat u hijacking ur own thread now...whats with u and this cupa coffee? havent u heard of dinner and a movie...or something more romantic like "your place or mine?"  

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The veil does not block the peripheral vision. It's only because the people here haven't become used to a decent driving culture. I had this veiled lady crossing one of the busiest roundabout (BK) at a very high speed. Neither local males nor females are used to giving indicators before changing lanes or turning. Blaming it on veil is similar to saying that male Qataris do all this due to their white headdress....

Ladies when taking the drive test, let them show their faces to the lady police when entering the car and seat, but i really agree that it should be mandatory for the lady to veil off if she want to go for the road. Whay did she took a license if she is that out of modernity, driving is one sign of modern not conservative way of living. Chastity is still there as long as you take care of it, it is not by covering face but the way one handles it.

"There's nothing we can do to change the past, if it teaches  you a lesson profit from it then, forget it."

Smoke

no problem with the post, i even cracked a joke about it earlier, its the title that is not appropriate. We shouldnt grab attention of people by using something offensive.

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Girl, you sure want things to be as free for you in Qatar as it can be right....

What do we do, well, for a start we can have a cuppa coffee, and hey dont even think about it, I'm Driving...Not you...I have still a lot of life to live..LOL...so what do ya say..l

Thexonic - Ksarats post merely states the problem of the veil worn during DRIVING, as it causes limited vision and could end up with some serious damage to life and car to the people on the road. I dont see him degrading the viel otherwise. Plus its his personal experience that he's sharing with us

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so we all come to a point and sit here and aspire in a forum. what do we do to bring it to pass? 

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Ksarat, funny u say that, when your title obviously shows terror of the veil.

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First of all, its been a damn long time (how have you been girl), and secondly, indeed just like Gypsy being yourself, come crashing into a topic and hit the problem right on the head...LOL...yes, I totally accept it, ladies using a veil, should freaking get a driver instead, or not drive at all...

And veil, surely cuts out the vision Gyps...

Eve...funny but true indeed...sheeeesh...I mean anyways, what an incident...

Spicemom, Veil in JED, O my, that would have been such a tough time...

Qatexpat: As I have been saying, I'm only discussing the Veil in here and its aftermath of using the roads with respect to Vision, and regd Driving in all shapes and sizes, I think we all know that, so come on man, get back to the topic...

Thexonic: For the last time buddy, I was referring to Crap in relation to your Ghost Busters talk, and in no way at all regarded the VEIL, I wouldnt do that I'm pretty sure in any of my talks...;)

 I don't know if it's the fact that the veil cuts down on their preipheral vision or if it's that it gives them a sense of anonimity therefore they drive more recklessly.  Either way women who wear the veil should be banned from driving.

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Last night a young guy was driving far too fast and could not handle the left turn and instead of taking the turn he hit the curbs and bounced off them and flattened all his tires.  My husband was in our backyard with a friend, he grabbed our friend as he thought the guy was going through our wall.  We have had our wall hit already.  Imagine getting run over in your pool, only in Qatar!

ok back to business - i used to have the veil on whilst workin in JED and man it was a problem even when  crossing the road since i did not have good vision surrounding me so can u imagine when one is behind the wheel??

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

chill wmhizon its not all that bad, i mean u encounter such episodes of bad drivings from time to time but u cant let that scare u into not driving on Qatari roads. Drive slow and reach safe... 

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Could u please stop saying crap about the veil?

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I won't blame the veil because they are wearing it all the time and are probably used to it !

But I do see more women drivers intimidating people who are driving smaller vehicles.

I was tailgated by a lady in a cruiser last week in front of Lulu Hypermarket and she chased me all the way to airport signal ! But, I never give them way if I am driving at the max speed allowed on the road ! I was already doing 95-97 on that 100 kph road, so why should I let her go just because she is driving a bigger vehicle. At the signal she stared and I stared right back. End of the story.

Could you please take your Ghost Busters Crap to some other place...

I think something is being discussed in here...

So now scram, spicemom, you and your tank with red pope can visit his confession booth, so now scram come on, run along now...

are we talking about "water bombs" QL gathering?

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wmhizon - me thinks yr hubby is safer drivin himself rather than take a cab (they arent any better believe me) so at least he is in control of his car rather than hang on to his dear life while mr cabby here does his thing//////lol

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

and a huge water canon on top??

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

such news really terrified me... now im thinking if i should let my husband drive here in Doha (he just bought a car) or just tell him to take a cab instead. I dont want to scared my self everyday or everytime i know his driving.

Thinking this irresponsible drivers driving around & the unexplainable traffic rules here...

This proves me that Qatar is not safe place to drive!=:(

Oh God pls keep my husband be safe all the time!

"Even if  LOVE is full of thorns, embrace it. For in between those thorns there is a ROSE that's worth all the PAIN."

no need for tank. armored personnel carrier would be fine with me

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I miss ghost busters :(

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hey RP that was DH's vision too one day............hehehhehehhe(dang how u men so think alike)hehehehehhe

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

Or may be the ghosts from the eye :P, they were quite black :D

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I have a vision, one day I will drive a tank in the roads of Doha at night!  People look at the US and the electoral process here and are reminded that this is a major transparent democracy, a vibrant and diverse country.Kurt VolkerUS state department

;-D

*When hands reach out in friendship, hearts are touched with joy*

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offical ghost uniforms are supposed to be in white...i demand they reconsider their wardrobe.

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hmmm then it must be the season for the night of the living dead coz there so many ghosts around these days///lol

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

People, seriously, dont you start seeing the whole thing, what have I rasied the topic for, and what you guys going on about, forget the attitude for a moment people, we are discussing Vision, christ, you guys just let it out on a thread right...LOL...find a thread and let your anguish off...LOL...

And Smokey, can understand that bit as well...quite related to what we are talking...

Sheeesh man, the Veil is sure a Killer - soon - to - be...

And for the last time, Swissymissy, did I talk about Women driving or the Women Covered driving, come on now, dont let your gender bias get to this thread....alright...that applies to you as well KH...

I aint talking about Attitude, I am talking about reduction of Vision just because you are covering your face on the grounds of Religion...

lol 

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I think u saw a ghost there.... not a lady

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smokey babe would you rather they be in stripes so ya knows its 'zebra crossing'??

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

am fine thx and going today to drive in the snow.cos it snowed once again overnite.i wish to see how many of you guys can handle it.lol.

but it makes fun.

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The lady had a clutch for you! Sorry, A crush for your tail.... People look at the US and the electoral process here and are reminded that this is a major transparent democracy, a vibrant and diverse country.Kurt VolkerUS state department

and last night forget about the ladies fully covered in the cars...i would have almost run over a stray lady fully covered in black crossing the road that had no street lights and i didnt even see her untill the last second. I mean she was crossing the road like she was walking in some park. Or could be that i need to change my glasses :) 

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How do you do?

You know, women drivers are like thoroughbreds and men drivers are like the street-cart types. Thoroughbreds learn slowly and have great difficulty on the way. Once they learn, they are the best drivers. The street-cart types are very street smart. They learn fast and also forget fast.

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

seems you are in high demand by the ladies.

am afraid it has to do with the gender of the drivers and not the veil

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Very true the blind spot is easy to miss even if you do look over your shoulder when changing lanes or coming off a service road into a lane.

Plain looking over the shoulder does help but they don't - they don't even glance in their morrors.

As long as you don't have to drive that's fine. In your case you will cause less accidents if you drive with a veil.

:) 

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

you talk here like you will bann all  females of driving.

i could tell a lot of stupid mendriving storys,but i will not begin cos i would not finish bevore tomorow.

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Blindfolded ladies eh?

 It's ok man, I think they find u attractive :P, for me its the ladies who dont wear the veil... 

Btw dont insult the veil for the people who dont know how to use them. 

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sorry to hijack your thread KSA, but i need to respond to techdoctor just in small note: hi techdoctor, how you doing? no hangover, just lazy today.

Everybody is right Everybody is wrong, it depend where we stand.

Are you having a bad hangover? 

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

save drive everyone

Everybody is right Everybody is wrong, it depend where we stand

In fact one of the things the driving test administrators look for is if you have good vision all sides. If you don't adjust the mirrors for visibility when you take the test, you fail. I wish they use some common sense when it comes to taking the test with a veil on. 

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

I'M AGAINST WEARING THE VEIL WHILE THEY ARE DRIVING!Wow, now I get to see those pretty faces, eyes and lips..lol, J/kIs about safety while driving, nothing else!  People look at the US and the electoral process here and are reminded that this is a major transparent democracy, a vibrant and diverse country.Kurt VolkerUS state department

If you play with fire you get burned ahem bumped lol. They both got what they deserved _ I hope it was oly a bump and not more.

However, SUVs don't have indicators any more- they are specially made so as not to confuse anyone, as dirviers of these cars don't know where the indicator switch is and get into a flurry when changing lanes, it is not important who is behind you - their insurance will pay for that, important is the one in front as you have to pay for that.

I'll tell you about another nice experience I had a month ago on the C-Ring Road.

A woman was behind the wheels of a 4wd and her hubby (I guess so) was the co-passenger. She was driving on the outer lane. I was driving next to them in the middle lane a little behind. One guy in another 4wd entered the highway from a side lane. He was on the phone - I don't know what these guys talk on the phone - and tried to muscle his way in. The woman wouldn't let him in and drove him off!! The last I saw, his car was two wheels on the kerb and he was gesticulating frantically at her. If it was elsewhere she would have shown him the finger. LOL. It was fun to watch and hats off to her! She taught that guy a good lesson.

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

listen if ya take into account that the impaired vision factor (due to the veil) is outta the way then we only have to tackle attitude whilst driving and also driving skills so tis one problem less so to speak................  

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......

That was hillarious King. I lose my confidence sometimes when someone honks at me from the back and I move out of their way even when my instincts tell me not to

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Let's not confuse the subject of this topic - the veil hindering driver's vision - with the driving style of these people.

It's well known and often discussed on QL that there are a lot of poor drivers with an aggressive driving style, but the issue here is VISION, and how the veil impairs it.

The most perfect, patient, well-mannered, safe driver in the world would immediately be rendered more dangerous if they put on a veil, cos their periphery vision is severely limited.

Don't make me start here posting some stories :)

What can we do ... all am i doing these days on the road is avoiding other people ... Don't have a 4WD ... just a small car ... does not mean that if i got a 4WD i will start jumping here and there without notice and let it burn behind me ... at least everyone know somehow that you are in a big car and it is not a good thing to mess around with you :)

LOL, today just on my way to the office .. I saw this lady riding a red car 'Hilti Company' and she was holding the steering with both hands and i saw her in my mirror trying to jump in front of someone without even using a signal ...

she was slowly with high confidence trying to jump .. jump and jump ... and while the other guy was speeding and won't let her ... he could not miss this one and let it go easily ... he accepted her intentions and was really sport about it ... and booom ... he pumped her car with a high confidence as well and a big thank you for doing that ...

I did not know back then if i should laugh or cry ... so clear who is fault was that :)

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

Well people, see the first thing is about vision, and then comes in the attitude part of things, and yes, driving is something that has been discussed upon a lot of times, but I would still say, the Veil is the first step to Murder on Roads...LOL...That was a good one...right...LOL...

But come on, I do understand that they drive like its their own roads, proper traffic rules, and all that stuff...and that is something that I still think is on the other hand, the first thing is they just cant freaking SEE, so I would really credit the Veils for this kinda stuff...when you just cant see you dont care about the road do ya (ok I understand, that they dont care about it anyways...LOL) but still...

TechDoct: Hey Doc, do you realize that you are coming in my way now...I am a bit busy with Fembot, if you may please drive in your own lane, Fembot is in my lane at the moment...LOL...

Fembot: Well well, neighbourhoods, so now I get it, your neighbourhood is pretty empty nowadays is it...no people around...all DEAD...LOL...and speaking of the ice-cream, it was good (imagination), where is my ice-cream for real now...and from one of your earlier topics, I believe that you are a freaking distraction for the MEN on the roads...LOL...remember ... that topic...LOL....

Good one Khanan.

Its not about religion. Not about the veil ksarat16...It's about Driving behavior of an individual. The sad part there is that it is viral, it has an effect to copy and do the norm. So dont fall for that. Keep your own pace. Drive the right speed at the right lane.

Even if you graduate with flying colors from an international accredited blah blah Driving School, it never gives a a guarantee of a real-life, actual driving day-to-day attitude.  

Do good anyway. Be safe.

That was quick! 

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

zara bache kay rahio in kudiyon se.......

baap ka road samjh kar gaddii chaaltee hai....

Good Morning dude and happy that u are safe.....

like sk said better be safe......

Ksarat, I just taught myself on the neighbourhoods. And I did not kill anybody!! *smears my vanilla frosted cup cake all over your nose!!

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KSA - u are a loved by ladies all day through.

Havent u seen these and allllllllllllllll the other ladies (local) driving never ever show indicators whenever they have to change lanes.

Atleast their male counterparts are a little more generous  to use their left hand to show indicators (most of the times)

I will share my experince recently.

I reside near Al Raya Driving School R/A, coming from Al Sadd have to take immidiate second right after this R/A.

Only last week there was a lady driving (uncovered face) on the service road an I was turning right into the side road fm the main road & guess what....

thia lady is showing me her lesft hand and asking me to stop and let her car go.. If i had not used my common sense and a sudden brake.. i would have bashed into her.

A gr8 lesson after that is i always go dead slow whenever i enter a side road fm the main road - better safe than bashing / kissing a car

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Tallg: Spot on mate, and I think you are quite right in saying Spicemom's justification example of the Horses...(Hey mom, that was a fantastic one though)...

TechDoc: ooooo, didnt remember that mate about the Driving License...but thats a good point, hmmmm, seeems you are just about waiting to get under that veil eyyy mate...LOL...but I guess things will change, but seriously this place needs to loosen up...

Eve: A Quick note, where do they learn to drive, hell buddy, who told ya they learn to drive, LOL...

Fembot: Now now now girl, dont take the topic to the other side, girl, speaking of which, did you get a Test Drive Car that you wanted someone to give ya...so tell me, how many cars did ya damage,... and how many people did ya kill on roads, LOL...how you doing did ya say...

Hi Ksarat....gr8 day for u..rite.

buddy its nt the veil. its the approach towards things. let me tell you, (my excuse to all who mind this fact). these ladies got this permission for driving recently, now whn thy sit on steering, thy think thy are achieving a gr888 task. and thy think all others on the road are just ticks and mites and its thr home corridor and not the road.

thy will take at least 10 years more to undestand and differentiate bw privelages and requirements. driving is nt privelage..its a requirement.. so no matter whether veil is thr or nt...this will nt improve until thr attitude is improved.

That for one ksarat. What really blew my mind as I was at the beach yesterday was this picture before me of three women in full black, face veiled in the scathing heat as their men enjoyed the sun, in just boxers.

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spicemom - no need to apologise; your analogy to horses wearing blinkers is spot on! It prevents them from seeing anything to the left or right. On horses this is a good thing as it stops them being distracted, but on people driving it is surely a bad thing!!!

canarybird - in a lot of cases is it that they can't see! The veil blocks off their periphery vision, so they don't see things to either side of their vehicle that other, non-veiled drivers would notice. We all know we have a blind spot just over each shoulder when we're driving, but wearing a veil must mean this blind spot covers the entire left and right sides of the vehicle.

Give them a couple of years buddy, they will change. I have seen Qatar change a lot in the last 1 year. Another 2 more years the veils will ease off. But I doubt if the driving will change soon. I am hopeful that the traffic police are working on it.

I was also wondering if what photo these ladies affix on the driving license. How would the guy who administers the test know if the one who gets the license is the one who took the test?

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

morning buddy ... well it is not the Veil problem, it is simple as women in general don't use orcompletely forgotten about an important part of the car called side mirrors :) It happened to me lots of time and in most of them sadly ... the woman was not putting any veil or anything.

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

Other countries such as Kuwait realize no one can see properly to drive with their face covered, and men have to have their head dress back so they have vision to see around them.  One would hope loss of life is more important than covering your face!  I am sorry to agree I think the Qatari women have such a sense of arrogance they don't care who is in their way and demand the right of way.  Its sad to generalize but their driving skiills are awful but look where they learn to drive!

which reminds me of a horse that has them eye shields on and they can only look ahead and no where else.........lol (sorry did not mean to be rude)

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TechDoc: Hey there morning buddy, I mean such an avid affection, dude it is surely Life threatening, uh uh, I aint up for that much love that would take ma life away Doc...LOL...and on top of all, I mean as mentioned earlier, If they wanna kiss me, hell man, I'm up for it, but not Car - Car...you know what I am talking...LOL...

CB: Naaa, wouldn't agree, thats a different thing, and this is different, so I cant have the two mixed up...ladies driving aggressively is something quite different and driving with reduced vision is on the other side of the planet...

I had a landcruiser come behind me from nowhere flashing and trying to gun me down I moved outta the way and she then cut me up in my lane ............wt ??     .....when i looked round  it was a completely veiled woman behind the wheel.

I think the ladies have an affection for you, especially the ones on 4wd with veils. You fail to understand them and think it is a driving/dress problem.

"Life is like a bicycle, if it's too easy - you're probably going down :)"

It is not that they don't see - they don't bother to look and this is a new wave of female aggresssive driving, I saw it with a European recently driving over three lanes with not a care in the world.

i totally agree with you KSA, that topic has been on my mind since i arrived and it is more a safety issue than anything else as it dont give ya a good range of view which is needed when one is handling a vehicle on the roads. btw good morning KSA...........(dang i hope i wont get so blasted by this........) 

life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......