What does 500QR mean to QAWS?

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/740215 - some photos from the site clearance.

http://gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=321009&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16 - latest newspaper article.

Things are moving slowly but we have and will continue to update everyone when anything new happens. At the moment we're tied up with paperwork and legalities and looking after the animals we still have.

And we still need more foster homes!!

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I was wondering, What is the status of the reconstruction efforts?

Since lots of people donated money. It would be nice, If they post updates in QL.

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"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

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Its not a surprise that the bill is 21 thousand. i took my cat for a check up at the clinic and i had to pay 200 qr...if the check up only is 200 qr then how much do you expect for the TREATMENT of the BURNS of ALL the cats and dogs that survived...?

and im sorry to say this but some of you people dont understand that QAWS is the ONLY shelter for animals in qatar and dont have grand organizations that help and support them like the other organizations to help humans in need.

so stop saying that 'you shouldnt help animals and help humans instead' cuz they already got organizations helping them and help the ANIMALS!

I went to the 3rd of oct babies & kids tabletop sale to benefit QAWS. and i saw alot of people selling there belongings and not keeping the money but GIVING it to help re-build QAWS. i was amazed by the stuff...there were items and magazines and books that are not available in qatar and i bought everything i could. i even donated 1,000 qr to QAWS plus the 300 qr i spent at the benefit.

just to keep in mind....ALOT of people are supporting qaws and you should too.

but I'm volunteering with the clear-up...just need to round me up some PPEs

was interested, till i got disqualified...

"...and there must be someone at home all day." :(

[as sara {neighbor's dog} is really lookin for a playmate]

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We're down to 6 dogs and 5 puppies for fostering...

Raz - 18 month old large male

Dan - 18 month old large male

Jacky - 18 month old large male

Thor - 3 year old large male (would like to go with Zoe)

Zoe - 18 month old medium female (would like to go with Thor)

Emmy - 2 year old medium female

Kimber - 8 month old medium female

2 puppies - 8 week old females (must go together)

3 puppies - 8 week old males (must go together)

All need foster homes without cats. Raz, Dan & Jacky need experienced dog owners with no other pets or small children. The puppies need experienced puppy owners that are prepared for a lot of house training and there must be someone at home all day.

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One friend said she asked to sponsor dogs at one of the Vets and they were told they are all accounted for. I will tell here its not true and to call QAWS.

I'll look for more foster homes...

We still have 10 dogs looking for foster care. Thanks.

Loulsy, I'll tell you all about how you can become part of QAWS officially, but it involves giving up your life and soul for the shelter;-)

Chat soon.

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2 friends wanted to foster 2 dogs (one each)...so please tell me...coz they'll be asking me tomorrow morning...

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/703099

WYSIWYG

Guys seriously.. What do i have to do become part of QAWS?! i mean like officially..

Back home we had 2 dogs and a cat.. when we lived in Saudi we had dogs (yes plural) we had cats (YES PLURAL) we had parrots, canary, Hamsters, fish, and .. last but not least.. a MONKEY...

yeah my parents were running a zoo with us kids and all those animals.. :D

I have a very soft spot for cats .. and dogs are a no negotiation issue with me.. I just love them... I cant foster any at the house right now even though its allowed in the compound bcz my neice is still too young and we once got a cat and she wasnt to happy... she wanted to taste the cat and the cat didnt like the idea :D :D

Please tell me what do i have to do to be part of QAWS

WYSIWYG

Thanks but no thanks!! My little one is enough of a handful as it is! We'll be avid shoppers at the Babies & Kids Table Top Sale as we're expecting another in December! They'll both certainly be well socialised with animals thats for sure...

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To be honest I was really impressed that the government agreed to the TNR program. It took a fair amount of discussion and visits from the WSPA team but they went from dead set against it to really responsive in a short amount of time!

They even welcomed over the WSPA team to teach them the newest methods of neutering cats at low cost specifically for TNR programs. It is a little rougher then how the private vets perform neuterings on our beloved pets but they get the job done and QAWS recommends the TNR program to anyone who calls us about stray cat population problems they have in their area.

The TNR program is the one occasion when they will euthanise as they are trying to create a healthy population of cats. Again though they use different methods and medications to the private vets.

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You seem to have experience in many types of wild animals, Chelsea - can you take my kids for a while :D

Wait'll you see the donation I'd make for that :)

It's at least encouraging they got the cat program going as I understand the many cats here have the feline leukemia. I think again its expats that helped push them in the right direction being a developing country its all taking more time than we would like. When I moved here 16 years ago things were completely different so change is happening, albeit slow. I didn't realize how bad the govt is for neutering I personally heard they were rough so never went to them. Good to know! At least we have good Vets now in the past no one wanted a pet as their was no care available so it was not a good idea to have a pet here.

Sorry - missed your comment about Friends of the Environment Centre! Qatar Cat Coalition falls under the FEC and they were involved with setting up the TNR program with the ministry and WSPA.

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The government vet offer free rabies vaccines but not the combination vaccines which are more important with keeping animals in close quarters like a shelter. The government vets have helped us in the past and we have bought our own vaccines and they have made trips to vaccinate animals en mass on occasion.

They are also useful for neutering stray cats but unfortunately we have had bad experiences with them in the past and are not prepared to have our animals neutered there anymore. Trying to perform surgery on an un-sedated dog is unforgivable in our books and so our animals have anything surgical done at the private vets. Luckily Xena had stayed with him and was able to rush him to another vets where they knocked him out and did the neutering properly.

And no they won't euthanise. But they will call us and ask us to take animals from them!!!

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And we don't just help cats and dogs. Over the years we've taken in:

horses

donkeys

a bull

sheep

goats

chickens

ducks

geese

turkeys

peacocks

guinea fowl

hamsters

rabbits

guinea pigs

tortoises

terrapins

parrots

budgies

an owl

falcons

cockatiels

monkeys

a possum

squirrels

bats

a spiny tailed lizard

a burmese python

hedgehogs

wild bird breeds

The only thing we haven't taken in is camels purely because we've never been approached to!

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What legal status are we talking about? For what I understand they are a charitable Organization of volunteers.

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I thought you can take cats to the public vet and get free vaccination but know they have to be transported. But I don't think they will put down an animal. I know they will also fix cats, and were thinking of doing dogs as well for free. I really hope the Friends of the Environment would take on making an Animal shelter I see it as a Health matter as the health of animals affects the society.

We have been persuing charity status for the last 5 years and believe me we have tried everything possible to become "legal". Unfortunately we don't fall under any catergory they have here - we were once offered to become registered as a storage facility as that was the closest they could find to a rescue shelter. Even then we wouldn't have been allowed to raise money.

No-one seems to know why we haven't got charity status - some people in the authorities have even asked us what the hold up is. If we knew we'd sort it out but we can't get an answer. We seem to have submitted all the right paperwork in the right language to the right people in the right buildings, plus a load more that it turned out wasn't required.

Until then we can't accept cash donations - hence why we ask that people who want to help financially to pay off some of our vets bill.

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QAWS have to let in a few camels to get legal status....anyone helping cats and dogs are not much appericated by the govt of Qatar.

Aana free, jaana free,

Pakde gaye tho khana free.

Dohamomma. . .I'm not with QAWS, if it matters. . .I wouldn't want anyone's opinion of QAWS tarnished by my asking people to help :)

I think pretty much everyone wishes they could get legal status. . .not sure what the answer (or the problem) is there.

I do have to say that if donations of this size are going to be requested. QAWS needs to become a legal organiztion with books that are public and open for review. Yes, I can expect the vets to help for only the cost of the vacination medicine, they should not be charging anything for their time. Why should we all be asked to care for animals more than they are? QAWS needs someones help to get legal status!

With people like you ready at all times to offer a helping hand,the world around is getting a better place to live in day by day.

Cheers

I like the idea, 42 standard donors. you now have only 41 more to worry about. When things are up and running and if someone is organizing a collection, do count me in and call me on the below number.

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by going from 42/21 to 10 in his comment - we all know you would pay the whole amount if you could - that's why we love you:-)

Snow deserves the best place to recover so your bed it is;-)

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I hadn't even thought about the comment being patronising, I just thought that I would put my hand up as one of the first on the list 10 / 21 / 42 whatever!

Snow is now resting in my home and one look at her picture (as I am overseas right now)and I know it was money well spent, we always find a way to cover our bills, we always end up with support that overwhelmes us....it will happen again!

A little stressed out is right but with that comes a determination to continue our efforts!

salax85. . .just for the record. . .

I wasn't beating you up :) I really do think you summed it up nicely! If 42 people dropped a blue note at QVC then that part of the QAWS debt would be gone. . .sounds simple anyway!

... I posted above is directed at people who are not taking what happened seriously - no direct attack at all. We are all happy to read and reply to constructive comments.

You should have a look at the site... and think of the animals which died in the fire... and think of the loss for people who care and have put effort and love into the whole project. Only then can you understand what it really means.

I just feel that if people don't have anything constructive or supportive to say - just say nothing!

Poppy, being chairperson of QAWS has probably put more time money and effort into the shelter than your have in your bank account - please stop being patronising...

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salax85 said lemme help out with some ...

lemme help out with some calculations here:

QRS 21000 / QRS 500 = 42 standard donators....

or 21 Generous donators

or 10 VIP donators plus miscellaneous donations

Thanks, salax85. . .you summed it up nicely. I wasn't trying to highlight one vet over the other, nor was I stating that we shouldn't drop 500QR on alcohol or shoes or whatever else. The point was that many people spend 500QR like it's nothing, but hesitate to use it to help a good cause like QAWS (if you'll pardon the rhyme!).

I had a feeling that the veterinary clinics were discounting the services to QAWS patients, but wasn't about to state it without knowing for sure that it was true. I worked as a veterinary assistant for three different vets (many moons ago) and I know what kind, loving people they are :)

Like PitStop we have animal allergy issues in our house, so we are not able to foster. (Our dog is a non-shedding

breed.) However, I'll do what I can to help QAWS. Some people can help with the vet bills, some people can help organize fund raisers and others can help with the physical rebuilding. My gut tells me that all of those efforts are appreciated by QAWS ;o)

Oh, Poppy, it's a wonderful dream - a purpose built shelter, a resident vet and QAWS as a registered charity. Insha'allah, someday we WILL make it happen.

Mandi

I am happy to be the first of 21 or 42....???

As an active member with QLVG, I wanted to let you know that I am working on a new drive to raise funds for QAWS. In the past, I did it on my own and raised a good amount from my customers that had nothing to do with Qatar Living. I am sure that, once again, if I mention it to them, they would love to contribute to get QAWS back up and running in no time. Once you are ready to take steps forward after the investigation is over, please let me know how I could be of help.

I'm allergic to animals, so anything aside fostering a cat or dog, I'm up for it.

May Allah Help you All to get through this tough time.

The way I see it, some people prefer to put animals to sleep, but this thread isn't about that, it's about asking those who care, to help donate.

What about in Islam where there is a hadith where for every animal we take care of, it's as if we took care of a human being?

Regardless of religion though, we should all being good people by supporting a good cause.

QAWS has never asked for a single penny more than what they needed and they only ask when they're need.

I love those guys.

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Why do comments continue to upset us? We at QAWS have been doing this for years and take the good with the bad all the time, usually we manage to rise above it.

My few words on this thread......

A shelter made of wood housed 100's of animals over the five years of it's existence and cared for them until homes were found.

A shelter made of wood was so much better than no shelter atall.

A shelter made of wood was all we could provide at the time.

A shelter made of wood caused more heartache and tears in less than 2 hours than I have seen in a long time, or would ever wish to see again.

A visit to the vet cured that one poor (otherwise fit and healthy) dog of the most horrendous skin condition I have ever seen, caused by pure neglect.

A visit to the vet saved the life of that cat that somebody had decided to burn.

A visit to the vet stopped the suffering and agony of so many animals and through our tears we know we did all we could for them.

A visit to the vet maybe expensive at times but what price on a life?

An ideal word....picture this:

QAWS (finally) granted legal status as an Association, a Charity...wherever we fit will do!

A purpose built shelter, bricks and mortar.

QAWS own resident vet supported through the Assocation/Charity working in-house.

Rest assured we will keep trying, pushing and persisting until we get there.

I would respectfully urge those with nothing constructive to say at this time to simply stay off QAWS threads. We have enough to deal with right now.

contribution, but as you can see, I got lost in a rather long and tedious explaination.

Thank you again:-)

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It was great to finally meet you today! Hope your little boy is doing better now.

Snow's at home with me now where we get to look forward to twice daily betadine baths, burn cream and painkillers! Fingers crossed she's over the worst now and it's just a case of keeping it all clean until the skin grows back.

Thank you so much for your donation and its always good to know that there are people like you and I out there that don't see animals as a waste of time and money! I'm also glad to say that for every person with a negative view of animals, there are hundred that will help them.

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Unfortunately we do have to euthanise animals and we are really not silly. We have been doing this for years and we all know that some animals cannot be saved due to illness, injury or behavioural issues.

If you go through our bill at the vets you will see a huge amount is spent each month on euthanising cats with broken backs and dogs with serious health problems that people find on the street. Most people will not make a decision to euthanise an animal no matter how obvious it is that they are suffering and so dump the animal on us and we have to make the decision and pick up the bill. We all know how many cats get hit by cars here but how many do you think die instantly? Not many and the rest are brought to us where all we can do is relieve it of it's suffering as quickly and painlessly as possible. And add it to our bill.

A lot of our vets bill is also routine neutering, deworming, vaccinations, tick collars, antibiotics, post-neutering medication, ear drops, eye drops, health checks, kitten & puppy formula.. All very basic and not necessarily expensive but when you look at the number of animals we have at the shelter it all adds up. The vets are great and do give discounts but if we don't have any money then it doesn't matter how little they charge - we still can't pay it!

We do ask new owners to help with covering the vets bill but very few actually pay the total balance for their new pet. They may cover the neutering but we still pay for everything else.

Please don't think we are throwing away money on hopeless cases.

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she has been an angel through this... Dr Paul too - we are so greatful to them and all their wonderful staff for all the assistance they gave in transporting, treating and kenneling animals that we had to find foster homes for.

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Do you really think we ever wanted such a make shift shelter? Our plans have always been to have a concrete structure but unfortunately with people like yourself airing their views others just think "why bother". We don't have any money and so we can only use what is donated. If you know a company that will donate all the breeze blocks, steel framing and everything else to build a shelter then please email me. Companies are far more likely to donate wood that was going to be thrown away (old portacabins or shipping crates) then brand new breeze blocks.

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... how little animals / pets are thought of by some people, but it is their opinion and nobody is being forced to put the hand in their pockets and donate.

I am just glad that most people have it in their heart to help such cause, whether it is much or little, within their possibilities of course.

The Vet Surgery does a lot for stray pets as it is. Kim, an angel in disguise, picks them up from the streets. My cat Sylvester was being kicked to death when little. Kim stopped her car at the traffic lights and got him away from evil humans. He has been part of our family for almost a year and is the sweetest cat. This is just an example on what they do to help animals. They also need to pay their bills and medication, as well as staff, water, electricity, building costs... and so on!

I have my priorities right. If I WANT a bottle of alcohol I buy it, if I NEED a pair of shoes I buy them too. One thing has nothing to do with the other for me, what matters is that there is a balance so that I can afford having what I need / want and help when needed too. And I sure see nothing wrong with that.

and please note I am only correcting what you have said:

The vets do give us discounts - however, they are not charitable organisations either - so one cannot expect them to cut prices by more than 20 - 25%. As there are only 2 vets (QVC and TVS) in this country that we trust, we are more than greatful for the amounts they do actually charge us, as we are able to give more animals vet care.

The QR21,000 at QVC is not only for the animals that were injured during the fire, but also the treatment of the many animals we had at the shelter before Sept 3rd. However, it was considerably lower before that date.

Our vet bill at TVS, has been brought down considerably by kind donors that have been bringing in donations to them.

Since we have a considerable amount of animals that come into us in bad condition and ill health, we have no option but to take them in for check ups to make sure they are in good health before we place them in the shelter and then into adoptive homes, so forgive us if we seem to spend too much on animal care - but thats why we are there, isn't it.. to make sure these animals are safe and healthy and find good caring homes.

I am choosing to disregard the negative comments on this thread, because the positive ones outweight those.

Legal_Pad, we are not a no-kill shelter - we don't have that option - when an animal comes to us and is severely injured... after discussion with the doctors we the committee make an informed decision on euthanising the animal - we are also the call people for the police on occassion where an animal needs to be euthanised humanely(rather than shot).

But an animal that has a chance at life and finding a good home - why should we take that chance away? So maybe it comes in with a sore paw, or maybe its been beaten a bit and might have some wounds? who are we to take away the chance of giving that animal time to recover and living a good and healthy life?

Until you do what we do, please don't assume to judge the amounts we spend at vet surgeries - we do this to put something back into the community we live in - If you don't wish to help with the vet bill, that is entirely up to you, but there are many people out there like us, that do wish to, and to them, we are eternally greatful.

Now all that being said LP, we really do appreciate that you want to assist us with the rebuilding of the shelter.

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thanks Xena!! :)

Please see www.qaws.org - we have our crisis page up and running - you will find update there:-)

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azilana7037... which thread are you getting updates from?

are there any pictures? i have never been to the QAWS site but been meaning to go there since a year now. unfortunately that will not be possible any more.

Expat Sueño i am in...

i have a dog too and completely understand they all must have felt. leme know whr to drop the blue note

in the other thread.

The place needs to be cleared out of all the debris, foundation would be re-done before constructuion could ever start. And big machineries would be needed. :-(

Xena would have to keep us updated when this would be possible...

You are right, azilana7037.

On a similar note, the QAWS woman I spoke with today said that the site will need to be professionally cleared (i.e. not by volunteers) because the site is simply too dangerous. :(

so we would know when we could start building for the shelters...

Thanks, slim ;)

USE YOUR BRAIN MAN...>>MagicDragon...

Expat Sueño...if any small help let me know...Pm me...i will try my best...

Animals have equal rights? We eat them, man!!

every_mothers_n : my understanding is that they are hoping to rebuild it with concrete - not a makeshift shelter.

Why build another QAWS and take lives of innnocent animals??

I dont see any point in rebuilding make shift shelters which are bellow construction saftey standards.Only a matter of time untill it goes up in smoke again.

Aana free, jaana free,

Pakde gaye tho khana free.

ANIMALS HAS THE EQUAL RIGHT LIKE HUMANS BUDDY.....I AM STUDENT I WOULD HAVE HELPED 4 SURE ACCORDING TO MY SALARY IF I WAS WORKING...FOR SURE.....

I agree with you, Sugar. Humans are more important, and some suffer a lot in Qatar.

you don't need to donate :-)

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MagicDragon, if they get it legalized, then companies will contribute and donate. Until then, Qatar should spend their money on poor human beings and not animals.

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Qatar is sooooooooo rich!??

Greeker, some people can't afford to have a sick animal, so euthanasia is a better solution...

And nobody answered my question... Are these vets dropping the prices a little??

I understand your feelings and motives, in reality we need to draw a line on what is too much spending on medical care for those animals.(Correction from singular to plural)

I prefer to spend 500 QR for one injection of animal euthanasia instead of making others people pocket miserable for 20 thousand QR.

Sorry that is just my opinion, either you like or not.

Respectfully

Reasons for euthanasia

Terminal illness - e.g. cancer

Rabies

Behavioral problems - e.g. aggression

Illness or broken limbs that would cause suffering for the animal to live with, or when the owner has insufficient financial reserves to pay for (or a moral objection to) treatment.

Old age - Deterioration to loss of major bodily functions. Severe impairment of the quality of life.

Lack of space - Some shelters simply do not have the available room to provide shelter for an abandoned animal.

Small animal euthanasia is typically performed in a veterinary clinic or hospital, or in an animal shelter, and is usually carried out by a veterinarian, or a veterinary technician working under the veterinarian's supervision. Often animal shelter workers are trained to do euthanasia as well. Some veterinarians will perform the euthanasia at the pet owner's home - this is virtually mandatory in the case of large animal euthanasia; except in the case of horse racing, where the injured animal is sometimes put down on the track.

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Great effort...I guess instead of putting QR500 everyone...we can put whtever suits us...no matter less no matter more...something is always better than nothing !

Still a lot of money for one organization that depends on charity.

Still I will donate my promise 1500 QR for the reconstruction effort of the shelter.

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Maybe you should have read what she wrote more carefully before voicing opinions.

She said QR21,000 for the treatment of ALL ANIMALS so far. Not just the cat. She just mentioned that there because she must have felt aggrieved by its plight.

And NO, I am NOT a supporter of euthanasia. The least you can do for an animal which served you all its life is to look after it until it dies a peaceful death.

I shudder at how easily you said "I prefer one injection worth QR500..."

500Qr means a lot to me to be honest with you. Yes I have a lot of them, but I would agree with legal_pad. I'm sure a lot of people would comment saying if you have nothing positive to say then don't say anything, but we have to be realistic here. 21,000Qr for the bills at the Vet? That is a little too much.

I think money should be invested in getting the place back up and running LEGALLY, or else nothing positive will come out of it. All the hard work put into QAWS went up in flames, a shame really, but its reality. I offered to help, I can bring food for the cats and dogs and even get the hay for the bull and donkey, but cash will be difficult.

No hard feelings.

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The 21,000QR is not for one animal. . .it's for the many animals that they were able to save after the fire.

I respect your opinion, legal_pad. I prefer to spend it on animals rather than fancy shoes and bottles of gin. . .my opinion, either you like it or not :)

Well, these are the 2 sides of the coin. Legal_pad, fortunately for you, it is not your problem to solve, so whoever wants to cooperate with the cause is up to him/her.

The vets could also drop prices a little bit, can't they?? Just curious... are these vets helping in some way that does not mean an income to them??