WHAT GIVES THEM THE RIGHT?

PM, maybe he's half-half. Give him credit.

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I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

JAVI, WTF?

dreamsandsmile,experierience the same here many times,Mostly locals here don`t know how to say excuse me or sometimes while u r having a conversation with the salesman/saleslady they will interrupt in a loud voice,to be honest i really don`t have any problems with the other nationalities here...and also last night we went to villagio carrefour and two stupid local guys bumped my grocery carts...i was really pissed off that i have to say in front of them "Don`t u know how to say excuse me?(sarcastic tone)"Do u really have to push my cart just to give u a way?"and they just looked at each other and just smiled,a devil smile...what`s wrong with these people,they don`t have good manners...but i`m not generalizing all locals here,i still do believe that there are still nice locals here maybe it`s just not my luck coz mostly i encountered this type of people...

I'm almost certain that there have been countless utterly unacceptable incidents comparable to these involving Qatari women. I realize a certain degree of variances in peoples tolerance.

Maybe I dont blame them (the mean ones). Because if I too had a very short shelf life from WHATEVER looking to "OMG what the hell have you been eating girl".............. and married to whomever I dont really have any affection to but has money maybe lots of false teeth, then I too would behave like that to a child ----------------------------------NOT!!!

SYSTEM? YEAH,THERE IS ...FOR EXPATS ONLY....

nice to find you coming into terms with this dilemna.

i can understand dreamnsmile's feelings as this too personal for her. A fight would be always be fight when it is our children at stake. But nice to find dreamnsmile abit shining once more.

Cheers!

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Its more better that you tell her “WHO ARE YOU TO PUT A HAND TO MY KIDS??"

Sometimes you have to break the rules & the phrases "understand the people who don’t understand"!

Enough! Enough of their unethical l, rude, etc attitude!

We don’t want to be unfair to others that are really decent & have good morals. But sometimes because of our anger without knowing we generalize,,

You have to agree it has been REALLY boring on QL lately :-D

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

"Who says locals don't have good manners?"

Might I suggest that some of the people discussing Qataris's manners so rudely, don't have them? :-)))

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

After all, we have some dear and respected Qatari women on QL and I am sure none of us would want them to suffer the indignity of negative stereotyping, right? While I noted that I have had some bad experiences with rude niqaabis, I don't know if they are Qatari and they certainly don't reflect the behavior or attitude of the vast number of Qatari women I know.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

i am so glad that i haven't experienced it yet.. don't know what i'd do to her if that was my kid she touched..

If it was you, you would just shrug it off and charge it to experience. BUT...it was your child, and your motherly instinct/emotion made you seethe. If I were in your shoes, I might shoved her myself for even touching my kid...but then again, this is QATAR :-)

I'm not justifying the lady's untowardly actions but for people like me whos been here for quite some time now, we already know what it's like...thus we give our opinion...and try to see it in a different perspective.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Cheers!

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You're right and I hope it won't happen again. Will you please clarify what you meant by "You are offensive, please remove yourself"? Just want to make sure that I am not offending anyone here.

I had an opportunity to be in a large crowd of local ladies and we were all queuing up for the door. I was very interested to see that it was NOT a matter of locals being "polite" to each other and discriminating against "outsiders." There was just as much pushing and jostling and queue-jumping among the locals. My conclusion would be that it is not considered rude or impolite to do these things in this society. So whatever you do, don't take it personally or allow it to put a chip on your shoulder. Just accept it for what it is - a different way of doing things.

Mandi

I completely agree with you and that's exactly what I did. Thanks!

Not unique to any nationality! This happens all the time in all countries. Since we are in Qatar, we face it here. Make sure to let them know that what they did was wrong by telling them so. No shouting, becoz that will put you in the same category as the other person, uncultured..

Please do not justify the woman's action due to language barrier. Her actions and behavior speaks for itself! What is so hard about the notion of "waiting" for your turn. Her words "No problem, no problem" was incongruent with her actions!

maximum tolerance is our weapon against local! anyways aside from being rude they are essentially harmless!

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have a plan, and stick to it!

So when will they ever learn the manner. For example in christianity, the preaching teach people moral and respect.

understanding than often being understood.

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..Psychic profiling...

they're NOT ILL-MANNERED...nor lacking in social grace/manner. IT'S LANGUAGE BARRIER, folks.

Come see at this view, the lady doesn't speak English and don't know how to call your attention. REMEMBER: they cannot touch another person bcoz to them, it may come across as rudeness or "invasion of personal space".

OR...she may be waiting for you to pass or move on your way coz you're in her way but may have gotten impatient and she didn't mean to push your kid that hard.

Maybe why she said "no problem, no problem"...coz that's the only ENGLISH phrase she knows?

I'm sure she embarassed...but you didn't see coz her face was covered, right?

I see...I'll be fine just need sometime to let it cool off still kinda fresh. Thanks by the way. Cheers.

Yes I do.. Beleive me , I've had dealings with similar idiots all over the world including the UK..

please read....

(which is the only thing that they have, at least most of them.)

I pick my battles and surely had some tough ones in the past. Pretty much so, I can tolerate little things and just let it go. However, as a mother seeing my child grabbed by his arm and shoved on the side by a complete stranger is something else. And I hope this type of incident would not happen to anybody. By the way do you have kids?

argument, ya? Discussions leaves benefit of the doubt that could finally clear out issues.

See... we are already exploring the possibilities like... are they really locals? etc. etc.

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Why not tell the clinic to have a system in place where this is not allowed and all patients are treated equally.

Big and small is a relative term.

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TO TELL YOU HONESTLY,THIS KIND OF SITUATION IS NOT LIMITED IN GROCERY STORE, IF YOU ARE WORKING IN THE CLINIC OMG!LOCALS WILL COME LATE FOR THEIR APPOINTMENT AND YET THEY WANT TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO GO INSIDE THE DOCTOR'S ROOM.

ATTITUDE!ATTITUDE!ATTITUDE!

File a case against them. Go to higher court if ever possible.

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we are not all the same... but we all deserve the same respect.

Whlst I sympathise. i believe that its all getting rather melodramatic. If you can't handle a small incident like this, what will you do when you face a real hardship or heartache.

I just want to make it clear that I did not post this thread to make an argument but rather to make it known to the public of my heartbreaking experienced with my five year old son. Absolutely, it is easy for you to say to "forget it" which surely it wouldn't happen in my case for this is something that I would never forget. And one thing, this issue has nothing to do about who's winning and loosing here! I don't know about you but as long as my morals are intact and I have not transgressed anybody that's already a victory!!!

Be thankful you are in Qatar. In other countries they shoot their way to the cashiers.

in niqaab he was in hurry to pee

...as far as my experience goes but there is no discounting the fact that there are bad apples everywhere.

Dreamandsmile - Are you sure she was a Qatari? I doubt. But irrespective of the nationality,what she did is horrible. There can be nothing more disconcerting than mistreating a kid infront of the mother. That's just not on.

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- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

Chill out. How many interesting topics on QL lately?

YAY! Qatari-bashing, I haven't seen this in months.

So we're all ignorant idiots, thanks for generalizing.

So you saw one stupid woman who "looked like she was Qatari" and you say all this??? And y'all discuss it.

just ask yourself, what's the point to argue? Just let your ire be vented here in QL and then forget it. Charge it to experience of being in a foreign country. Do't argue as it may caused misunderstanding and who's in the loosing end? Wel, You guess it right!

"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"

to them by those who have the chance to reach their attention.

Sure not all of them are ill-mannered. I met some who are truly good-natured individuals.

For some, I believe their social manners can be improved. They are still very cropped up on the mentality that they are above us all expats. However, with proper values formation and social education, they will all come to the realization that their behavior leaves bad impression about them as being uncivilized, inappropriate in this ultra modern Qatar society they are having now.

Let's give them a some time to grow up and become more civil people. Only this way, we can feel luckier that we are more civilized people who know how to behave in the society of human being.

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I see your point, however these people need to learn respect and patience. By allowing them to push people around so they can get what they want is wrong and must not be tolerated. Well, I think there is more to it of them being disrespectful and impatient. They are merely "arrogant" and see themselves "superior" above all.

It happened with me as well, yesterday i was in Body shop City centre, i bought some stuff and put on the counter, two local ladies were there, they came and put thier stuff on the counter and got angry with that fillipino cashier, because he screened my stuff first, then he said mam can i do first for them , and politely i said okay no probs, and then she looked at me , because i was smiling, see guys, all are not same, but if you are not qatari, and specilly if you are indian just bear with them, and be polite.,,,,show them your politness and show them you are good and civilized indian.

Thank you so much guys for your feedbacks. I guess this is one of those things that I just have to accept since we'll be staying here for awhile. It's just over a year now since we got here and the unfair treatment of workers and discrimination that I see daily is unbearable and intolerable which is hard to deal with. This part of the world is truly something!

jailbroken114, excuse me? Who said locals have a lot of money?

dreamandsmile...look at it this way.. good manners is better than having lots and lots of money, which is the only thing that they have, at least most of them. When all the money in the world is lost, you still have something that they don't have. Very sad but true.

may be FAKE locals ie.pak,balooch

Its usual for the host country citizen to think above the rest, and its their rights as well to be first in the priority line. Only in certain field, don't get me wrong. But to shove away small kids of the queue line is unacceptable manner. Just like some of you says that probably Qatar has just opened up to the world and being gradually exposed to standard etiquette, we have to be patience.

but we could not generalize that the elder ones have no manners or etiquette....that's not nice to say as they too find "US" strange for what we are coming to the country.

Since FFC is always crowded especially at night time wherein almost half of the foot traffic population are kids...it's hell-ish. But what could one sday but: "What to do, yani? :-)

Qatari women, especially, the olderones have very less exposure to the outside world. They don't even know what are manners and etiquettes of walking or driving in a public place. They maybe good at heart, but definitely are not sophisticated.

in a shopping line-up!

very sad :(

I think the Qatari women are worse than the men for being ignorant! I find them to be a much worse driver, they flash and beep you to pull out onto a road when they can clearly see you can not go anywhere! Please feel free to kill yourselfs but try not to involve others, we actually enjoy life.

Its education and the family background............ I said

Let them jump in at the checkout and as they are walking away start jumping up and down screaming "IVE WON! IVE WON! IM THEIR MILLIONTH CUSTOMER!......The look on their faces should be payback enough!!

but sometimes, even a highly educated person acts like this...

Its more to do with their education level and individual family background than nationality. You will find this kind everywhere. Trust me in USA as well.Although they may look Qatari or American to us, but they belong to the lowest strata of their society.........so it's just an unfortunate thing to happen

not all the fingers on ur palm are same.

Every country, State, City, Town, District, Village & even house have different kind of people.

Check out the majority.

however, what that women did is not right at all.

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no one gave them the right.. they just think that they have the right to do so..

It probably has a LOT to do with it. BUT, although I've hada few minor altercations, the majority have been more than OK..

It happens, and the traffic caused in FFC from all the kids is a nightmare. I am there every 2 - 3 days to buy what I need, when I need it and there was a local lady with 5 of her kids. I so wanted to run over them with my cart, but I didn't. They were walking infront of me but staring at me the whole time :S weird. But also there were the little Indian kids with the parents, too.

I'm sure the lady meant no harm and all she wanted to do was to make way for her cart so she can shop.

Take it easy and relax!

Be firm & strict with those kind, She had no rights whatsoever. In fact if ever you had the same situation, threaten that you’ll complain to authorities. What I’ve noticed lately, that many locals are really getting aggressive against others. I don’t know if this has anything to do with being 15% of the population.

I have had a run in with a few. I must say I think its a minority. However, all you can do is to tell them that they've done wrong and move on..

Like any other country, we have a mixed set here...yea..te lady shouldln't have pushed your child...

Once I was in shoemart, going to make a payment and this lady behind me cooly steps forward and places her things on the counter while the previous customer was paying the bill...

Once the customer left the staff actually started to pick the lady's things, but her husband came forward and said..no..He was in line first..let him go..lol..i was like..taken aback!

I said..thank you..and carried on...

oops..did I just hijack this thread?!

what do you expect from idiots

Bad people think all are the same also

Stupid people think all are the same

Very very typical

(never men) and to be honest I don't know if they are local because they are in niqaab. I do know they seem very coarse and uneducated to my mind, with no social skills and I think some feel the niqaab shields them from accountability for their actions (because they can't be identified. HOWEVER, I have noticed this among other groups as well and there are some little short, sweet looking "auntie types" that are the WORST offenders! lol

Learn to stand up to them, firmly but politely. It will make you feel better. The employees in stores and service counters are more aware of the unfairness of jumping queues and will usually stand up for you, too. This has changed from 10 years ago so it's a step in the right direction!

In the end just remember that there are jerks everywhere; and rude people SUCK.

:-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Unfortunately some of the locals are just rude,

the only way to deal with such individuals is not to let them have their way,

on the other hand many locals are polite and friendly, it depends..